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Vitter the Birther

By on 7.14.10 @ 12:10AM

David Vitter is now a Birther. This speaks for itself. No comment from me.

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Nate| 7.14.10 @ 12:24AM

Vitter is a desperate and dishonorable man. He knows there is no merit to the "birther" argument. This is a base, cynical pandering to the enraged, ignorant bumpkins who've mobbed your party. At least you don't have David Duke anymore!

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 11:17AM

At least you don't have Robert Byrd anymore!

Alan Brooks| 7.14.10 @ 5:46PM

"At least you don't have Robert Byrd anymore!"

At least we all don't have Bush anymore. What is it with this misplaced loyalty to the son of Reagan's veep? to the power-grabbing Bush family?
to the token-black Steele?

You have met the enemy, and the enemy is YOU.

SirJason | 7.14.10 @ 1:43PM

"While Louisiana families are suffering from the biggest man-made disaster in history, David Vitter is trying to score political points by perpetuating a completely debunked conspiracy theory," spokesman Jeff Giertz (ABC) said.

Most of the civilised people of the world know that Barack Hussein Obama. Jr., AKA Barry Soetoro, has usurped the Oval Office! The rest of the people who are recognised as socialist progressives who control the news media do NOT care!

BHO, Jr., Michelle, Joe, Rham, Harry, Nancy, the Senate, Congress, Supreme Court, DOJ, DOD, NSA, FBI, CIA, et cetara also KNOW he is ineligible!
This Article 1, Section 2, Clause from our Constitution copied and pasted here word for word has yet to be ‘completely debunked’…
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Emmerich de Vattel (google) explains “natural born citizen” in Law of Nations.

BOTH PARENTS OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN MUST BE AMERICAN CITIZENS BORN IN AMERICA

Even if BHO, Jr. was born in the Lincoln Bedroom in the White House on August 4, 1961. BHO, Sr., was a Muslim British subject born in Kenya, South Africa was killed in a car wreck in 1982 and his mother Ann Dunham died of ovarian cancer in 1995.

To hear BHO, Jr. himself tell you where he was born…klink the links!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

Nate's Mom| 7.14.10 @ 2:16PM

Na-a-a-a-a-a-a-ate!

loulou| 7.14.10 @ 9:26PM

Why are YOU so desparate if there is no merit to the "birther" argument? Let's call it the "eligibility" argument.

Christopher W. Robertson| 7.14.10 @ 1:15AM

I discounted the "Birthers", at first, then listened, then checked things out myself, listened some more, read some more, and discovered that they have valid points. The "Birthers" are not "ignorant bumpkins who've mobbed [the] party", but the name-calling reminds me that those who resort to name-calling have no valid points to refute an argument, and have already lost the debate. And to (flame-)throw David Duke into it...My, how desperate. Obama is not a natural-born citizen of this country. He is not Constitutionally-suited to be President of the United States. The truth is out for those who will hear.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 8:12AM

Christopher --

Mr. Hillyer had responded to an earlier post of mine on another thread that he had worked to rid his party of Duke's presence. I wasn't flame-throwing.

Now, you have your fax mixed up and need to stop looking for information on the internet until you can learn how to use it properly.

Obama, as his birth certificate and TWO newspaper notices attest, was born in Hawaii to a woman that was herself a US citizen. He's a citizen and meets all the criteria in the Constitution for being president.

The question is, Why do you want so badly to belief he's a foreigner?

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 11:24AM

If Obama had a Birth Certificate he would have shown it in a nano second. Haven't you had to prove citizenship when you apply for a job, that is assuming that you do work?

p.s. As we all know by now, the Certification of Live Birth that is posted on the internet is given to those children not born in Hawaii, whose parents are residents of Hawaii.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 12:05PM

Margie,

You have some bad information here. Either you KNOW it's false and you're lying, or you're mistaken.

Hawaii grants a certificate of live birth for all it's residents.

The REPUBLICAN governor of the state verified Obama's birth certificate; the TWO NEWSPAPERS who reported his birth there some 48 years ago confirm it.

It's not REMOTELY possible.

Face it. You've fallen in with a bunch of RACISTS who cannot bear the idea that a black man won the presidency!

To the extent that this issue is interesting, we struggle with the question: are birthers fucking morons, or are they being manipulated by cunning websites that can fool honest inquirers.

I'm starting to go with the former.

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 1:18PM

Hahaha I see I've struck a despicable nerve in your despicable body. Good.

victor| 7.14.10 @ 1:36PM

"Nate":

The State of Hawaii gives the Certification of Live Birth to people that were NOT born in Hawaii.

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

This is straight from the Hawaii Department Of Health Website.

http://img136.imageshack.us/im.....eenao3.jpg

So in other words the certificate of live birth that is posted on Obamas website, Factcheck.org and KOS do not matter. Simply because someone who was born in a foreign country could obtain one.

http://wilybadger.files.wordpr.....hawaii.jpg

Blackwatch| 7.14.10 @ 2:28PM

He's half British. Half American. He clearly has divided loyalites and is not a natural born American. His mother waived his claim to citizenship when she took him to Indonesia and raised him as a muslim Indonesian.

If these statements are untrue prove it with ALL his records.

Nate you are such an ASShat.

He fits in with the rest of the Jew Haters of the world.

John - TMF| 7.14.10 @ 2:38PM

Just a mild not of correction.

The object posted is a digital image of a "CERTIFICATION" not a "CERTIFICATE".

A Certification is not the same thing as a Certificate.

I was born in the Continental US in the late 1950's. My Birth CERTIFICATE is (Certificate of Live Birth) a long manually type written form with my birth weight, race, parents' race, birth dates and names... Also was the time of birth, the doctor, and some other choice tidbits of information.

It is a FULL letter sized document, and I do not have a certified copy of it. What I have is two Xerox copies of the official Certificate of Live Birth that is kept in some fische or vault file of the county in which I was born.

Along with those two copies, I was supplied by a 1970-era CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. It is a half page check paper form (cross hatched copy protection) that has neat pica type from a standard 1970's era type writer, and the official raised seal from the County Registrar... It was required for me to get a social security card.

The information that was forwarded to my mother, with the official Certification, and two copies of the Certificate was that neither was completely valid without the other. My mother (who then informed me of this when I took possession of them).

The entire legal document is actually the Certification together with the Certificate.

Again, the "document" presented by the O Regime Campaign is NOT VALID since it has no seal. It is a digital copy of something that is supposed to have a copy of the actual Certificate to accompany the raised seal Certification.

As has been noted before, in the early 1960's anyone could fill out the form to apply for a Certification with little or no proof except a signature of a witness. The subject child need not have even been on the same planet at the time of the filing, and probably no body at Iolani Palace needed to check with any hospital, doctor, or midwife to corroborate the application.

The newspaper "announcements" are just pro forma extractions from a Registrar's role, with no corroboration necessary either.

The whole thing smells....

Who knows who The One really was or is? I don't even think that he really knows, either.

r/TMF

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 3:27PM

You can post all the bullshit webpages you want. The information you are giving out is FALSE. Chief Justice John Roberts issued the Oath of Office to Barack Obama, a natural born citizen of the United States, who was elected by the people of this country. You are an asshole who belongs to a small racist minority.

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 3:49PM

Hahaha! This liar doesn't even realize he's going to burn in Hell for lying. He doesn't mind calling people racists at all~ it rolls off his tongue like water rolls off a duck's back. Typical Leftist behavior.
Hey, Nate, how's your conscience doing these days?

Sam| 7.14.10 @ 4:00PM

Margie,
Why don't you stop pursuing such a stupid issue and focus on things that actually matter to Americans. We're concerned about the economy, our futures, excessive government, the deficit, increasing taxes, not lies and conspiracy theories. Obama has many faults, but his birth certificate is not one of them.

But by disagreeing with Margie, I guess I'm condemned to burn forever in hell. And life was just getting good!

W

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 5:44PM

Heh, Mr. Sam,

If one is willing to lie about their Birth Certificate then one will lie about anything. And it isn't me that says liars will burn in Hell. It's the Judge Himself.

Can't pin that on me!

loulou| 7.14.10 @ 9:28PM

Precisely right, Victor.
The COLB is specifically for those NOT born in Hawaii.

Richard Baker| 7.14.10 @ 7:34AM

Remember that the Kenyan has spent over a million dollars of someone's money to keep the long form birth certificate hidden in the vault in Honolulu. Wonder why he's doing that?

Bob K.| 7.14.10 @ 8:00AM

Quin Hillyer is now a "left wing troll." His columns speak for him. No further comment from me.

Ryan| 7.14.10 @ 8:10AM

How does not believing the birther arguments make one a left-winger?

Did Quin suddenly become for higher taxation, or gun prohibition, or higher spending, or limiting freedom, or any other conservative position?

Bob K.| 7.14.10 @ 10:46AM

Am I, a mere reader of Mr. Hillyer's brief blog, not entitled to make a silly observation in my comment on it like Mr. Hillyer makes!

Ryan| 7.14.10 @ 12:25PM

I didn't say you couldn't make the observation. I in no way stated or insinuated you couldn'e engage in speech.

I merely questioned what you said.

Bob K.| 7.14.10 @ 2:13PM

Good question and fair enough!
As you know, the term "birther" like "tea bagger" is a pejorative description invented and used by intellectual giants of the left wing media like "softballer," Olberman and Maddow to scoff at Republicans.

Now, if Mr. Hillyer wants to use this term in describing a fellow Republican, I think he should explain why he is using it.

As for questions about Obama's birthplace? He brought this on himself by locking up all of his records and credentials. I have no sympathy for him, just as he has no sympathy for us.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 3:28PM

Tea baggers are largely birthers, as several polls have shown. Many are also virulent racists. Nearly all are ignoramuses. And ALL are politically misguided.

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 3:43PM

Spoken like a true Liberal blind person leading the blind.

Bob K.| 7.14.10 @ 6:35PM

Nate,
As Mr. Hillyer noted in responding to you in another one of his blogs: "You are a sniveling lump!"

See "The NAACP is Racist" blog.

loulou| 7.14.10 @ 9:29PM

What's a teabagger, Nate? You're the expert, tell us.

Kenyan Official| 7.14.10 @ 8:31AM

Your Kenyan President was borned in a tiny Kenyan village named Alinskyamba. On the day of his birth there was much celebration. Alas, the village is no more. A family from Bombay had it razed and built a Kwikee Mart in its place.

Crooz8er| 7.14.10 @ 8:46AM

Until Obama shows the same papers to be president that I had to show just to get a driver's license, I guess I'll be a "birther" too.

What does this label mean? Is this another way for alleged "right wing" columnists to keep some credibility with the knee-pad media? I don't understand why asking where a guy's actual birth certificate is is so wrong in America? Especially when that guy has hidden ALL of his records--academic, medical, historical--from public view.

Hey Quin, so when I go to renew my passport and the little guy from the passport office asks for my birth certificate, can I call him a "birther?"

Ken (Old Texican)| 7.14.10 @ 9:14AM

Well, I'm a birther.
No question but that Obama was born, and not hatched.
There is a scripture that paraphrased says: "bring a child up in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it".

There is a saying: " a young tree when bent...so will it grow".

Folks, we have a President bent.....on destruction.

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 11:13AM

"No question but that Obama was born, and not hatched."

Are you sure? There's no proof of that, either. :^)
And there's no proof about anything else, except of course that he's (unfortunately) sitting in the Oval Office.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 9:29AM

Mr Hillyer --

I have to hand it to you. I couldn't have brought the crazy bumpkins out of the corners better than your last two posts here have!

John - TMF| 7.14.10 @ 11:03AM

And... now we get to the heart of the matter...

Those on the "right" (mostly all Eastern Establishment connected Journalistic types.) who pooh-pooh and belittle those of us who have serious questions about The Bamster's past, qualifications, and even, yes, eligibility remind me of the bully's toady... They really don't like the bully, but are so frightened of what he might do to them that they side with the bully.

Of course toadies are morally supported by the crowd, who render no assistance to the victim... for the same fear.

There are serious substantive questions as to the specific origins of The One. His name is up in the air, his parentage is of uncertain origin, and his entire record of childhood, youth, young adulthood, and graduate experience is expensively shrouded and carefully crafted.

Nah.. nothing to see here... couple of old copies of cheap adds and a jpeg/gif/tiff of a meaningless n0n-document.... that advocates cannot even properly name.

Please move along... or be called a nasty name and minimized... shoo... go away... nyah..

The incurious nature of the entire thing speaks ill of the profession of journalism... Maybe that answers your question about J-school attendance by Conservatives Quin. Not many people want to suck up that badly in order to get a cookie from the bully.

r/TMF

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 3:50PM

We've disagreed on a lot in the past but very well put. It is extremely naive to think that this will all be sorted out by the courts. (See my post below.) Judges are likely to come up with any reason they can not to hear the case because none of them want this hot potato. It is the job of journalist to get to the truth here, and their "incuriousness" (good word) suggests they are actively suppressing their native curiosity either because they support Obama or they just don't want (like the judges) this hot potato either. The media failed miserably (and deliberately) in vetting this candidate.

Bob Miller| 7.14.10 @ 11:05AM

In our Solar System, only Earth has governments issuing birth certificates. Why should we expect anyone from an asteroid to have one?

Bob Miller| 7.14.10 @ 11:05AM

In our Solar System, only Earth has governments issuing birth certificates. Why should we expect anyone from an asteroid to have one?

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 11:08AM

So Nate,

From whence does your paycheck come? Mr. Soros directly, or does he use an LLC?

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 12:17PM

I stand by my previous post [below]. Political time/attention should not be devoted [as indicated by Vitter] to this insignificant birth certificate issue [since Obama is already President] and the only real solution to the problem that he represents is political defeat of him, liberal Democrats, and RINO's in November and beyond. Again, I will state [see my previous posts on other Quin editorials] that his obcession with Vitter [go back and count his editorials devoted to this Louisiana congressman] is substantial and politically questionable, as to his motive. Additionally, I will state that [due substantially to Quin's outstanding/informative editorial concerning Alabama's Bradley Bryne's governatorial campaign, I voter for his/Bryne's election [which he lost]; and in the process of same I was required to produce for several poll watchers to observe, MY VALID ALABAMA DRIVERS LICENSE which includes by picture, address, name,etc. So why in Hades should not the PRESIDENT OF THE US be required to produce a similar document that proves who/what he is?]:

[My previous post] "I agree wholeheartedly with Vitter concerning this issue [and correspondingly think anyone terming it 'nonsense' is a FOOL]. This current liberal, radical administration [and its President] is THE ONLY PREVAILING ISSUE politically speaking, and if/when it/they can be defeated will determine whether or not this country will survive. If it's 'nonsense', the moron claiming same should also answer if it's also nonsense that this administration has now dictatorially placed a oil drilling morotorium on the Gulf region, which will now cause thousands of good paying jobs to permanently disappear":

Republican Senator Says He Backs Birther Lawsuits
Tuesday, July 13, 2010 07:05 AM

Republican Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana says he supports conservative organizations challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship in court.

Vitter, who is running for re-election, made the comments at a town hall-style event in Metairie, La., on Sunday when a constituent asked what he would do about what the questioner said was Obama's "refusal to produce a valid birth certificate."

Such claims about Obama's birth certificate have been discredited. But with the crowd applauding the question, Vitter responded that although he doesn't personally have legal standing to bring litigation, he supports "conservative legal organizations and others who would bring that to court," according to a video of the event.

"I think that is the valid and most possibly effective grounds to do it," Vitter said, although he later cautioned that the matter could distract from policy issues.

"I think if we focus on that issue and let our eye off the ball ... I think that's a big mistake," he said. "I'm not dismissing any of this. I think first and foremost, we need to fight the Obama agenda at the ballot box starting this fall."

So-called birthers have challenged Obama's standing as president by arguing that he was not born in the United States.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed the president's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificate has been made public, along with newspaper birth notices published when he was born in 1961.

Last year, a federal judge in Washington threw out a lawsuit on the issue, calling the case a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

Vitter said at Sunday's event that the only direct information he has about the issue is what he's learned through the news media "filter." His spokesman did not respond to a question Monday about whether the senator questions Obama's citizenship.

A spokesman for Rep. Charlie Melancon, a Democrat challenging Vitter, called the birth certificate issue "nonsense."

"While Louisiana families are suffering from the biggest man-made disaster in history, David Vitter is trying to score political points by perpetuating a completely debunked conspiracy theory," spokesman Jeff Giertz said.

© Copyright 2010 The Associated Press.

Ryan| 7.14.10 @ 12:30PM

You DO realize Quin is from Louisiana, right? And that maybe he's writing what he knows, which may be Louisiana politics?

I'm from there, too, and I heartily agree - Vitter should go.

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 12:55PM

You obviously DO NOT realize that I, too, WAS 'from Louisiana' and spent 20 + years [including attending/graduating college there], so I ALSO know a little about that state and its politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 1:06PM

PS: If, as you wish, Vitter 'goes'; then you morons over there will be left with the likes of Cajun Charlie who attempted misconceive you and your fellow COONARSSES by filing FEDERAL legislation involving the Chinese Drywall issue, when the crucial point is that the property insurance element of same is a STATE [not federal] regulated matter. He additionally attempted political sympathy by crying crocadile tears on national TV during a congressional hearing over the oil spill problems for Louisiana. Lastly, you may wish to read [and attempt conprehension of] the recent news story concerning Cajun Charlie's South Pole extravagant vacation [at taxpayers' expense] that was supposedly concerning Al Bore/Gore's [sex crazed poodle] fictitous global warming issues!!!!!

Ryan| 7.14.10 @ 2:04PM

You're going with a false dichotomy. Vitter has a challenger who is getting press on the Republican side.

Being against Vitter doesn't mean being for Charlie.

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 2:30PM

BS, this political gamemanship is performed in every state of the union [in my state, Democrats were encouraged to vote in the Republican runoff FOR a Democrat-supported Republican, in order to defeat the Republican opposed to their AEA/Democrat political control of state politics]. Last minute straw Republican candidates opposing Vitter will weaken his campaign funds/candidacy needed against Melancon. This will either cause a weak/ineffective Republican or Melancon/Democrat to be elected. With Louisian's history straddled with LOUISIANA PURCHASE MARY already, they [and this country] do not need any more BS politicians coming from that state to cloud the goal of eventually defeating the radicals now running our government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 3:24PM

This is why I love Oldefarte.

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 12:29PM

Quin posted this reply to my previous comments concerning this Vitter issue on 7/11/10:
".....And, again, if Vitter wins, I do not expect to write anything else about him during the general election against Melancon. I will gladly abide by the choice of the Louisiana GOP electorate...."
Assuming Vitter either was not up for a vote or won a runoff with other Republicans who entered the race at the last minute, then once again, WHY did he post this comment of today concerning same????????

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 3:11PM

I don't think Obama was born in Kenya, so I guess I am not a technically a "birther," but I am definitely an anti-anti-birther. (I do believe Obama is hiding something in all his unreleased documents.) The sort of preening, grandstanding feigned hysteria "Oh my! David Vitter is a birther! The shame! The horror!" represented by this post disgusts me.

There is a type of centrist mainstream "conservative" who is more interested in proving how thoughtful and reasonable he is and that he is not like "those other conservatives" that he throws his fellow conservatives under the bus in the name of polishing up his own "I'm oh so reasonable" bona fides. I call these people "taint phobics" (of which "conspiracy phobics" are a subgroup) because they are more interested in distancing themselves from any perceived "taint" on the right than they are in fighting the left.

Let's look at what Vitter said. He said he supports lawsuits attempting to get at the truth. This is a PERFECTLY REASONABLE position. Frequently the argument of the anti-birther "conspiracy phobic" hysterics is that if the birthers don't think Obama is eligible they should prove it in court or STHU and cite the fact that most of these lawsuits haven't gotten very far as proof that there is nothing to the birthers’ claims. Well you can’t have it both ways. You can't say prove it in court and then ridicule someone for bringing a case or in Vitter's case supporting the legal efforts. So which is it going to be? Prove it in court or you’re a clown for supporting a legal effort?

Of course the anti-birther hysterics really do want it both ways. What they are really saying to the birthers is “just shut up and go away.”

Here is what I think. I don’t think Obama was born in Kenya. The logistics of that have never made much sense to me. But I do think it is entirely reasonable, since the issue has come up, for someone to want to see the long form birth certificate. In fact, this sort of curiosity is the intuitive, natural response and has to be actively suppressed by conspiracy phobia. Why would someone not want to see the long form? And there is no legitimate reason why Obama shouldn’t just happily authorize the release of the long form, if for no other reason than to shut people up. Since he hasn’t, it is perfectly reasonable for people to be curious as to why he won’t just release it.

And hey, maybe now I have written something that Margie will agree with. And I might just succeed in convincing her once and for all that I’m not really a closeted liberal.

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 3:42PM

If you're trashing Quin in talking about the "centrist mainstream conservative," or taking the opportunity to~ I don't appreciate it. I like Quin. He's a good guy. So forget it. I understand that some on our side just don't want us to make it an issue, fearing it will distract. I get that. That's all.

And as for convincing me? As soon as you give up being anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian terrorist sympathizer, then I'll be convinced. But actually, I don't think you are going to. I hope you do turn from it though, for your own sake.

You just never know who will turn, and there is always hope.

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 4:01PM

Margie, for the hundredth time, I'm for American neutrality. I'm not for or against anyone on the Palestine/Israel issue.

But anyway, lighten up. I was trying to offer you an olive branch, and you cut it off.

As for Quin, yes I do think this post is the type of feigned "conspiracy phobic" hysteria and outrage I was speaking of. What does "This speaks for itself." and "No comment from me." (as if it needs no comment and commenting on it would be beneath him anyway) mean if not that?

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 5:55PM

Red,

So.. you're saying you're not "for or against either side" but you're saying that Quin's "no comment" can't be neutral?

Well anyhow I have nothing more to say, as I prefer to remain neutral now. :^)

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 7:03PM

His "no comment" could be neutral, but I don't think it was given the context.

I would welcome Quin's thoughts on the matter.

Oldefarte| 7.14.10 @ 4:58PM

Hey, folks, I really think that Quin [or any intelligent person] is concerned with this birthing issue; and also think that Vitter is only using same [birthing issue] as a political argument/weapon against THE CHOSEN ONE. Again, to my previous point, go back and count the number of Quin's articles concerning Vitter, and ask yourself WHY [and also if this/his possible political vendetta AGAINST Vitter is bordering on being personal, for some reason or another]. I don't think that same benefits either Louisiana's Republican Party, or the national, tea party generated efforts as a whole to attempt to rid this nation of the extremists/radicals that now control out nation's government!!!!!!!!!!!

Pete| 7.14.10 @ 6:13PM

I don't care where this ass was born, I want him gone from office before he can do any more damage. If a "birther" lawsuit does the trick, super. If someone squeals on one of his illegal quid pro quo dealings, awesome. If he trips up and gets caught humping some intern, fine by me. Just get him out and get him out now.

That is all.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 6:51PM

"If a 'birther lawsuit does the trick, super."

Yes -- and the hell with the will of the people as expressed in a national election; to hell with the Constitution; to hell with the American way. If the American way means a black man gets put in charge of everything, then I say: to hell with America!

Pete| 7.14.10 @ 8:03PM

NAACP Nate,

The will of the people is changing rapidly as expressed in national polls (even the MSM ones), and is being summarily ignored by your messiah. We will all witness together the results of the coming national elections. If they are free and lack interference from ACORN, Black Panthers and Felons, I feel confident in the results.

There are several contemporary examples of your messiah invoking the Constitution when it suits him and ignoring it or attempting to change its meaning otherwise. Why would you even go down that path from such a position of weakness?

As for the American way, nothing your messiah is doing can be construed as American in the traditional sense of the word. Americans are proud of their history and consider themselves exceptional in the world. Progressives are not and do not, so use the correct term next time.

And finally, I've gone back over my initial post and don't see any mention of color. Odd that you should bring it up? I do say the word ass and I mean it.

What do you do for a living, Nate? I only ask because I was recently arguing with an old acquaintance over politics and when I asked the question, the answer was, "I work for Al Gore's foundation." I chuckled and never felt the need to argue with this person again as they could not be expected to do so in good faith.

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 8:51PM

I'm sorry, Pete. Did you say something?

Margie| 7.14.10 @ 9:49PM

Nate aka Liberal Reader has said this exact phrase to other conservatives when openly disrespecting everything they've said. Also his use of the F word when someone nails his game playing. Sure can't hide very well can you Liberal Reader? Cowards will change their names as you do. Not that I care~ you are a lost cause apparently and have no interest in the truth, sadly. What does Soros pay you? Minimum wage with perks? LOL.

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 7:05PM

"to hell with the Constitution"

A liberal talking about the Constitution is a joke. How 'bout we start following that whole enumerated powers doctrine thing? You down with that?

Nate| 7.14.10 @ 7:49PM

Conservatives like to talk about the Constitution -- rather like southerners like to talk about their great-great grandfathers who served as majors or generals in the War of Northern Aggression. (Exactly how many generals did the Confederacy have, and why no corporals or privates? Could it be this is why they lost?)

That is ... it's all a lot of empty talk and hoo-haw. Conservatives I think would follow Pete up there and do ANYTHING to get rid of Obama, whether it required respecting the Constitution or not.

The myth that liberals don't respect the Constitution is certainly not believed by the conservatives now sitting on the Supreme Court; you should read their decisions sometime and see the respect and dignity with which they carry out arguments. Scalia -- certainly the most interesting justice now serving -- writes to colleagues with whom he disagrees, not enemies who hate or disregard the Constitution. Anyway, you're another ignoramus who's bought the whole Limbaugh / Beck / Palin package. Too bad for you you can't get rich off it like they have.

Red Phillips | 7.14.10 @ 9:21PM

First of all Nate, I'm a paleoconservative, not a mainstream movement conservative, so I'm much more Buchanan and Paul than Limbaugh, Beck and Palin, although Beck is coming around some.

But liberals may mouth respect for the Constitution, but they most certainly do not respect the Constitution as originally intended by those who wrote it and ratified it. They babble about a “living and breathing” Constitution and act as if anyone who wants to follow original intent is an extremist whacko. (Unfortunately so do a lot of conservatives from the mainstream wing.) So spare me the spiel about liberals respecting the Constitution. When liberals propose we phase out ALL government programs not specifically authorized in Art. 1 Sec. 8 I’ll believe it, but not before then.

Oldefarte| 7.15.10 @ 10:03AM

Hey, dumbars, my great grandfather DID serve in the Civil War as a Confederate PRIVATE. Additionally, MORON, the primary reason the South lost that war was that the GD Yankee bastards had THREE TIMES as many troops as did the Confederates. FORGET, HELL NO.............and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE [AND TWIST IT SIDEWAYS]!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mick Lee| 7.15.10 @ 7:40AM

All this arguing over birth certificates is irrelevant at this late date. As I pointed out in TAS over a year ago, Americans will not take kindly to removing a President (popular or unpopular) from office based on a "technicality". (Yes. Yes. Yes. You and I agree that a Constitutional requirement is not a technicality. But that is not how the average Joe and Jane will see it in spite of all the civics lessons to occasion the crisis.) It will be seen as a legal end-run around the votes of the majority of the American public. Removal of a President from office in these circumstances will simply provoke a Constitutional crisis we all will regret and will do anything to avoid. The Democrats and a host of others simply won’t stand by as the sheriff comes to evict the Obama’s from the White House. After all, Dem’s have not exactly been noted for always following the letter of the law. Thus "birthers" can be right and lose at the same time. The Constitution will lose. “Disqualification” is a political no-go no matter how you slice it.

Best leave birth certificates to the historians and beat Obama's ass in the next few elections.

Margie| 7.15.10 @ 11:26AM

Not sure any of us were suggesting the removal of the beast over the issue, just pointing out TRUTH of the matter!

Oldefarte| 7.15.10 @ 2:33PM

Those politically labeling Vitter as a WM and a 'BIRTHER' should clear their heads and consider more important issues such as the following:

July 14, 2010 Vitter Introduces Amendment with DeMint to Stop Obama Administration Attempts to Sue Arizona Over Immigration Law

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, U.S. Sens. David Vitter (R-Louisiana), chairman of the U.S. Senate Border Security and Enforcement First Immigration Caucus, and Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina), chairman of the U.S. Senate Steering Committee, introduced an amendment that would prohibit President Obama’s administration, including the Department of Justice and other agencies, from participating in lawsuits seeking to invalidate the recently enacted Arizona immigration law. The DeMint-Vitter amendment (#4464) could be voted on next week as part of the debate on the small business bill on the Senate floor. “States like Arizona shouldn't be prosecuted for protecting their citizens when the federal government fails to do so,” said DeMint. “The federal government is rewarding illegal behavior and encouraging many more to enter our nation illegally when they refuse to enforce our laws. States along the border are facing kidnappings, drug trafficking, human trafficking and gang violence and they have a duty to keep their residents safe. Instead of suing states for doing his job, the President should get serious and stop holding border security hostage to pass amnesty and score points with his liberal base.”
“The state of Arizona is simply taking responsibility for a problem that the federal government has neglected for years, but Washington’s only response is to oppose these new enforcement efforts and take them to court. The Obama administration should not use taxpayers’ money to pay for these lawsuits that the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” said Vitter.
Arizona’s new law, SB 1070, grants state law enforcement officials the authority to enforce federal immigration laws by allowing them to inquire about immigration status of individuals who are lawfully stopped for other crimes. The law explicitly forbids racial profiling. As many as 18 states are considering similar laws, as reported by the Associated Press, including Florida, South Carolina, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Michigan.

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