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The Spectacle Blog
I’ve been reading through young Elena Kagan’s most impressive senior thesis on early 20th century New York socialism. What a loss to the history profession that she did not continue in this vein. Such easy, clear command of material and felicity in presentation is rare to come by.
As for those who insist her interest in socialism betrayed no real sympathy for it — most recently Dave Weigel, the Washington Post’s leading scold of America’s right-wing — wishful thinking aside, they may be ignoring a real giveaway in her thesis, where time and again she tries to correct impressions that socialists were only marginally significant. Instead, in her view, a socialist party “whose program and ideology were winning over increasing numbers” was done in mainly by its internal divisions, by its “failure ever to achieve internal harmony.” To me that comes across as a lament — “an expression or feeling of grief,” according to my dictionary. And one only laments when what one hoped would happen did not.
By the way, Kagan may not have been up on her Russian history. The first mistake I’ve noticed comes on page 20 of her thesis, in this sentence: “In Russia, a very few had enrolled in People’s Will, a terrorist group that could claim responsibility for Czar Alexander I’s assasination [sic].” The pre-spellcheck misspelling aside, the czar assassinated by People’s Will was Alexander II, in 1881. Alexander I died in 1825, of causes unknown. You’d think Kagan would have had a greater sense of who freed Russia’s serfs.
On the other hand, maybe she did have some sense of Russian history. The very title of her senior thesis — “To The Final Conflict: Socialism In New York City, 1900-1933” — is an unmistakable play on the title of Edmund Wilson’s classic, sympathetic study of socialism’s rise and its culminating with Lenin’s return to Petrograd’s Finland Station in 1917. Talk about a giveaway.
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Harry | 5.14.10 @ 5:44PM
Thank you Wlady.
Pingback| 5.14.10 @ 5:52PM
Twitter Trackbacks for The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Kagan's Senior Socialis links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Nick| 5.14.10 @ 6:31PM
It should surprise no one that the KAGAN is an avowed socialist. Or that she wants to confiscate guns.
What should disqualify her from becoming a Supreme Court justice is that she argued in front of SCOTUS, last September, that Congress could ban pamphlets.
6 months before that, an assistant in her office argued, in front of SCOTUS, that Congress could ban books.
Also, as far as I know, she hasn't spent much time in a court room. Her lawyer skills are probably mediocre. It should not be that hard to trip her up during the confirmation hearings.
Unfortunately, Republicans don't have any Perry Masons or Ben Matlocks on the Judiciary Committtee.
Teflon93| 5.14.10 @ 7:09PM
Kagan will sail through because GOP senators are cowards.
Nobama| 5.14.10 @ 8:05PM
Kagan covered up for the illegal actions of eco-terrorist sympathizers in Clinton's administration, too. Federal Forest Rangers' lives were put at risk as a result.
She's a real piece of work, a radical through and through--just like her boss.
Floyd Looney | 5.14.10 @ 11:31PM
I think she could have gotten a lot of that thesis from the information in the book "World of our fathers" by Irving Howe. It describes jewish immigration, mostly in NYC and how they formed and led the socialist movements of the time.
Here is a link to one at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/World-Ou.....0883658828
I am not accusing her of plagiarism or anything, its very possible she used this book in her research. I haven't checked to see if she credited it.
The 134 page thesis I downloaded doesn't include any of the footnotes, bibliography and stuff that it should.
Marc Jeric| 5.15.10 @ 1:18AM
Those people want power; since they are not able to invent anything that people would by, they tend to become socialists and communists. This strange fascination with a 150-year old idea that anywhere it was tried produced terror, mass murder, utter poverty indicates to me that there is something seriously sick with their minds. By the way, if I had been born a woman, and if I had found myself to be as ugly as Ginzburg, Sotomayor, or Kagan - I also would have become a communist, and perhaps even a lesbian.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 3:03AM
Why would a homely woman want to be a communist? I don't get it.
Lesbian--lol! You're crackin' me up tonight, Marc.
W. L. Barton| 5.16.10 @ 4:16PM
Sounds like a middle school airhead bimbo, calling people lesbian.
You must be a latent homosexual anyway. Those of your ilk suppress your inner truth, thus your vitriol.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 6:21PM
Who called people lesbian? Thin-skinned much?
You're a typical Liberal: Uptight and humorless.
Sounds like you're the one with the latent homosexual 'issues'.
W.L. Barton| 5.17.10 @ 5:38PM
Boy you right wing idiots are dim. Read your own crap clown.
I could not care less what dykes like you, or gay men do.
Like i said, you cackle about lesbians, with your boy Markie Mark, and you say you did not mention lesbians? OOOk.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 6:37PM
Markie Mark? How old are you, nitwit?
Nice backtrack; first you accuse us of "calling people lesbians' then you change it to "mention lesbians." Liar.
Last time I checked, we could still talk about lesbians--of course, with you "tolerant and fair" Marxists in office that could change at any time.
How can you tell if a Liberal is lying?
His/her lips are moving.
DrTomVoter| 5.15.10 @ 9:49AM
Obama nominated her. Does anyone seriously think he does not know where she stands on the issues and that they are in any way different from his own?
Larry| 5.15.10 @ 10:47AM
Kagan will sail through because GOP senators are only 41. I wish this confirmation could somehow be stalled until next January.
Teflon93| 5.17.10 @ 8:16AM
41 is enough to filibuster the nomination or tie up all Senate business including it until after November.
Why won't the GOP do this?
Because GOP senators are cowards.
Teflon93| 5.17.10 @ 11:12AM
To whit, see Kyl's remarks:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....tion_N.htm
Nate| 5.15.10 @ 12:47PM
If you knew anything about the period in which she was writing you would know that there were indeed millions of Americans involved in socialist and communist parties during the decades Kagan was writing about.
Attempts to paint her as a socialist because she wrote about socialism are incredibly stupid.
I wrote a thesis on the politics surrounding Julius Caesar's assassination. Does that make me an assassin? Does it make me a Roman Imperialist.
What fatuous fucking doltishness!
I have no doubt conservatives might be uncomfortable with some of Kagan's ideas. But that's how the game works. A Democrat won the presidential election, so the Constitution says he gets to appoint justices to the Court. Kagan is obviously qualified, she's obviously competent, she's obviously not corrupt, and she's obviously going to be confirmed -- but not before Republicans turn the hearings into a farcical charade.
You can participate in that bad-faith squalor, or speak out against it and show yourselves capable of dignity and honor.
Nick| 5.15.10 @ 2:08PM
Nate,
You forgot that the KAGAN wants to take away our guns.
And that she thinks Congress can ban political pamphlets.
I'll bet your thesis is a real page turner.
And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
(I aplologize to those who might be offended by a "Wayne's World" reference.)
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 3:00AM
Only a jack ass like Liberal Screeder would have the nerve to whine about Republicans turning the upcoming hearings on Kagan into a "farcical charade" after his fellow Progressive/Marxists shredded the brilliant Constitutional scholar, Robert Bork. Kagan's an intellectual piker compared to the great man.
You honestly sicken me with your arrogance and hypocrisy.
Bad-faith squalor perfectly describes a Supreme Court with Kagan and without Bork. Bad-faith squalor describes you, troll.
Nate| 5.16.10 @ 1:53PM
Yes. The "Constitutional scholar" who thought poll taxes stood constitutional muster. Yes, please, tell me more about how great Bork was.
Margie, or Missy, or whatever your name is, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 2:58PM
Unlike the fool, Kagan, who ILLEGALLY prohibited military recruiting at Harvard Law School. What's Ms. Arbitrary going to prohibit next, books? Bork was a distinguished judge when he was nominated for the Supreme Court, unlike the Progressive political hack, Kagan.
Kagan broke the law, clown, and she's unfit for the Court.
I'm not just pretty sure, I'm damned sure you DON'T know what you're talking about.
Nate| 5.16.10 @ 3:12PM
"Illegally"?
Missy, you don't have your facts straight. As Dean of the Harvard Law School she complied with the law to the T.
She also sided with 75% of the American public by being opposed to "don't ask, don't tell."
I don't know how any of this makes her some radical socialist, but in the zombified Fox Newsworld in which you people dwell, anything that isn't in lock step with Limbaugh is "socialism."
What makes you call her a "hack"? If anything, the problem with Kagan is she's from the same ivy club as the rest of the justices. This is a weakness, but the weakness is hardly hackery.
At any rate, Kagan most certainly did NOT break the law. You need to get your facts straight.
Nate| 5.16.10 @ 3:15PM
By the way, Missy.
If you're going to mindlessly parrot the conservative talking points, you should at least be aware that no credible critic in Congress or anywhere else is accusing Kagan of breaking the law. Try to get your mind-numbingly dull and apish talking points straight, at least, if you're incapable of doing the work of learning something about the topic you're commenting on.
Nick| 5.16.10 @ 5:37PM
Nate,
I see you dutifully watched "Meet the Press" today, and got your talking points from democrat party hack, Bob Scum.
What an obedient Useful Idiot you are, Nate.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 6:47PM
Talk about a mindless parrot! Polly want a cracker, Liberal Screeder?
Kagan kicked military recruiters off campus because of DADT, and only reversed her decision when the Pentagon threatened to cut off $400,000 in funding. Eventually, Kagan's actions were rebuked by the Supreme Court--8 to 1.
Kagan wasted valuable resources and time by taking this case all the way to the Supreme Court while we were fighting TWO wars--which proves she lacks proper judicial judgment.
Kagan's unfit to be on the Court; her nomination is a joke.
Oldefarte| 5.16.10 @ 11:38AM
No, that makes you and her a typical ARTSY-FARTSY MORON whose college degree is as worthless outside of acedemia as toilet paper; oh and even though he/they won, NOVEMBER BEES A COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nate| 5.15.10 @ 2:41PM
Nick's real purpose posting here is to secretly promote Islamic Jihad.
Nick won't say it, but he believes child prostitution should be legal.
Nick wants to gas Jews in extermination camps. He won't say it, and nothing he's ever done reveals these true intentions, but nonetheless that's what he really wants to do.
Nick won't tell you, but what he really supports is more school age children using heroine and engaging in oral sex.
Nick won't admit it, but deep down inside he's a homosexual.
I apologize if any of you are offended by Nick's secret motivations, but that's the price you pay for seeking the truth.
Nick| 5.15.10 @ 7:21PM
Oh...Nate.....I see you are projecting again.
I'm sorry you have these feelings.
You bleeding heart liberals can dish it out, but you sure can't take it, can you?
That's because you stinking libs are yellow-bellied cowards.
Nate| 5.15.10 @ 10:43PM
No, Nick, you are projecting. Whenever you call someone a coward, you do it because deep down you know YOU are the coward, you are petrified of the world.
See how it works?
Whenever you disagree with someone, you just speculate about what their REAL motivations are instead of engaging in debate.
That way, you never have to prove your point.
It's a classic form of fallacious argumentation. Right wing radio engages in it constantly, and so do you. It's stupid, shallow, and completely boring.
But it's a free country. Do what you like.
Nick| 5.16.10 @ 12:04AM
No, Nate, YOU are projecting - INFINITY!
Are you, next, going to tell me about my mother, Dr. Freud?
I always prove my points, by the way.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 2:37AM
Would you just shut up about Limbaugh already, Liberal Screeder? Please. You can't beat him so you have to whine about him ad nauseam.
You're a one-trick pony, Marxist clown, and there's no way for me to adequately express to you the depth, an abyss, really, of my absolute disdain for you.
W. L. Barton| 5.16.10 @ 4:19PM
Poor drug addled Limbaugh.
Pill heads never recover, especially rich ones, enabled by like minded brain dead idiots, who are just as damaged, only naturally.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 6:51PM
Some of that "vitriol" you were whining about, Barton? You Liberal hypocrites are the nastiest creatures around, and you prove it every time you open your mouths.
You sound like you know a lot about pill heads--wonder why?
W.L. Barton| 5.17.10 @ 5:42PM
Missy letting the truth get to it?
Go listen to the fat man and get a contact high.
Prissy Missy, and her drug addled brain spiritually connected buddy, Lush Windbag.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 6:41PM
You're typical of every liberal/Progressive I know; not much recommends you, loser.
Rush isn't fat anymore, but you sure obsess
over pills and alcohol; obviously, there's a reason, libtard.
Oldefarte| 5.16.10 @ 11:40AM
There you go, again, talking about your conceived thought process...........FELLECIO!!!!!!!!
Pingback| 5.15.10 @ 3:52PM
On Speech, Kagan Has Leaned Toward Conservatives links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
W.L. Barton| 5.16.10 @ 4:13PM
Socialism? Is that the only horse you right wing loonies vocabulary can store in your pea brains?
And to think Black Shirt Fascist, such as yourself, whose ilk held sway for 8 years over this once great Nation, only to be destroyed by trillions given to Pakistan, Karzai, Alllawi, Chalabi, etal.
And who the hell ever voted for your Spectacle thinkless tanked gang, along with the American Enterprise Institute?
At least Obama can let the Bush tax giveaway to billionaire war profiteers expire.
Also, please tell wittle bittie Eric Prince, the loved one's who drove trucks for his insider connected company, if you can call mercenaries that, his flunkies sent on a convoy, only to be ambushed and killed by Iraqi insiders , the courts are still in session.
W.L. Barton| 5.16.10 @ 4:34PM
You socialist America haters are the real NAZIS. Just like Hitler, you start out as socialist workers party affiliates, then your fascist darkness emerges.
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 7:03PM
Yes, Barton, we know you Liberals are so proud of your Progressive/Marxist/Communist heroes and mentors; Stalin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. because of the great things you folks on the Left have done for the world.
Your heroes are responsible for about 100 MILLION dead, right? Give or take 50 million, that is. And that's in the 20th century alone; wonder what you silly Pregressives have in store for everybody in this century?
You believe in a horrific, failed ideology that has brought death and destruction everywhere it's been tried. Thanks, but no thanks, loser.
W.L. Barton| 5.17.10 @ 5:48PM
Poor prissy Missy throwing irrelevant material into it's so called retort.
Go back to school, learn comprehension, and get back when your hang ups on commie killers, unlike fascist ones like Bush/Cheney, are more condusive to constructive debate.
Prissy pots are so vain, like the blonde bimbo brigade of Coulter, Ingrahm (Clarence Thomas's ex-squeeze, in my opinion), Parker, etc.
Wait, Coulter is only a possible female.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 6:50PM
Pill freak, drunk and a pervert, too!
How convenient that you only mention the monstrous Hitler yet you don't have any "hang ups" about the Commie killers (your heroes and mentors!) who slaughtered many more millions and millions of innocent people in the last century. It says a lot about you and the other pieces of human excrement in your garbage Communist party.
Ken (Old Texican)| 5.16.10 @ 8:09PM
Hi Missy
Hi Nick
I must tell you, I get a chuckle out of the paid (minimum wage) Soros/Obama trolls here. They remind me almost daily just how shallow and mindless they truly are.
They stand for absolutely nothing. Have you noticed? They bitch and whine and poke fingers, because they have nothing to offer the world except their acid vomit.
Please try to pity them. They have nothing positive and delightful in their lives...sigh... and then they get to die and only darkness awaits.
In the final analysis, they are self destructive loosers, so unless they come out from behind their computers to injure the good people, I shall essentially leave them to their fates.
The truth is simply not in them. Like the first chapter of Saint John says: "The Light shineth on in the darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not."
They live in darkness even now...sigh ...and then it goes completely black for them. Truly, they are to be pitied.
Nate| 5.16.10 @ 9:05PM
I stand for plenty.
I stand for the broad expansion of civil liberties, political autonomy, and economic autonomy in our society.
I strongly believe that a market-based economy generates more wealth and human goods than any other system, but I believe its very creative power is also the source of societal volatility and instability that the government can and should redress by means of the democratic process.
I also believe that markets are thoughtless about the future, so societal institutions -- again, with some limited help from the government -- need to coax, inhibit, and guide markets so they don't put undo pressure on families, traditions, and cultural goods (opera, say).
I believe the United States of America has it right. Our Constitution is a master piece of political thought, unsurpassed in world history. Our judicial system is nothing short of a miracle. For thousands of years men were subject to the law and had no redress or rights before it.
The Founders were men of the Enlightenment. They did NOT imagine the Constitution would be read only in accordance with "original intent." Nothing would have been less likely to be their intention.
Indeed, for men of the Enlightenment, the Great Books WERE LIVING DOCUMENTS.
The Founders did not imagine any schmuck perusing the Constitution and developing an opinion about what it literally means.
The Founders believed the Constitution would be read and interpreted by thoughtful men who were IMMERSED in the works of Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Montesquieu, Locke, and Rousseau. I assure you, these men did not believe in a slavish obedience to something so cardboard as the "originalism" propounded on the right today.
I believe BP should pay every fucking DIME of damage their spill causes.
I believe we should lop the heads of a banker or two to get them to reconsider their priorities vis a vis the general economy.
I believe in voting for politicians who care about the middle class, and I don't really give a damn about the wealthy -- and I know the feeling's mutual.
Curtis Rasmussen| 5.16.10 @ 9:59PM
Nate does indeed stand for something. Facism
Nate wants centralized control of the economy, just like Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany.
Nate calls the Constitution a masterpiece but wishes it to be destroyed by revisionist contemporary socialist thought.
Nate wishes that wealth should be punished, just like the communist USSR, where people were jailed for becoming successful.
Hey Nate, I'm middle class and I don't give a damn about Marxist douchebags like you either.
Nate| 5.17.10 @ 12:11AM
Fuck off. Dolt.
Curtis Rasmussen| 5.17.10 @ 12:31AM
It's Liberal Reader. About this I have no doubts.
Lib Reader gets real pissed when she is outed for the marxist useful idiot that she is. In her twisted mind she truly believes that she sways opinion with her passionate lib-speak.
Hey Lib Screeder, time to see the doctor. Your meds aren't working properly.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 12:51AM
Well, aren't you a lovely visitor to our little political website; so glad you're here, Liberal Screeder.
Nice foul mouth you've got there, troll; interesting way to make friends and influence those of us across the aisle. Heck, who wouldn't want to be a commie just like little old you?
Missy| 5.16.10 @ 10:06PM
You believe in forced wealth-redistribution, Screeder, so please stop the pretty lies and pious pretense--we know who and what you are.
We're also very aware that you kneel before the god of collectivism like all good little Progressive/Marxist drones, and we've tried to make it clear to you that we're just not that into you and your failed ideology. Take a hint, Obamabot.
It's obvious you hate the wealthy; your contempt for them is palpable--but please humor me and answer one question: Have you ever been offered a job by a poor person?
Nick| 5.16.10 @ 11:33PM
You also believe that Nidal Hasan, the terrorist with ties to other terrorists, who killed 14 innocent people at Ft. Hood, was just another workplace shooter, Nate.
"For thousands of years men were subject to the law and had no redress or rights before [the U.S. Constitution]."
Ever heard of Magna Carta, Einstein?
The Founders were certainly not men of the so-called Enlightenment, for the most part. They were devout Christians.
The constitution you describe is the British version that is not written down, but changes over time. Why don't you move there?
Nate| 5.17.10 @ 12:14AM
You're saying the Founders were not men of the Enlightenment?
You know what? Conservatives are right about one thing. Are public schools are failing us. The tea baggers are proof positive.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 1:01AM
You're kidding, right? You're knocking us as products of our failed public schools and you state, "ARE public schools are failing us." Amazing.
Nick| 5.17.10 @ 1:24PM
Nate,
Do you really have this much trouble comprehending plain English?
The Founders lived IN the age of the so-called Enlightenment, they weren't OF it. Most of them, again, were devout Christians.
Are you really Marxist Reader, Nate? That would explain much.
Why don't you tell us what the military acronym "MOS" stands for.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 3:59PM
What does MOS mean? I'm afraid of your answer--lol!
Nick| 5.17.10 @ 5:07PM
No need to worry, Missy.
It is not one of the many profanity laced acronyms used by soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines around the world.
It stands for Military Occupational Specialty.
Months ago, Lib Screeder claimed he/she was in the Army. When asked what his/her MOS was, LR claimed it was 11 Hotel, or Anti-tank Infantryman, and that he/she fired Hellfire missles.
I asked Marxist Reader what MOS stood for, and Screeder wrote that it stood for "Military Occupational STRATEGY."
LR tried to correct it right away, but the damage was done. I started calling him/her "Mr. Military Occupational STRATEGY," which would get me called all kinds of nasty names!
I really enjoy sticking it to liberals.
Like you did to "Nate" and his grammer skills, Missy, above.
W.L. Bbbarton| 5.17.10 @ 5:58PM
Prissy Missy and Nicked off having a love fest?
Are just two wacko wannbe drinking buddies, hoping to meet at the Motel 6?
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 6:54PM
Nice spelling, clown; you can't even get your own 'name" right. You and your boy partner, Nate, have a lot in common. You're both losers.
Nick| 5.17.10 @ 5:59PM
Oops! That should be: his GRAMMAR skills
Nick| 5.16.10 @ 11:36PM
Hi Ken!
Excellent comment, sir.
If we didn't pity people like Nate and PurpleJackass, we would be heartless.
W. Barton| 5.17.10 @ 6:02PM
Such pompous, self congratulatory pats on the back, common among the twisted right wing lunatics .
But no life means they troll for vindication.
Pity the fools, and their help in making this once great Nation, a sewer.
Missy| 5.17.10 @ 6:58PM
Democrats: The Party of SLAVERY, SEGREGATION, SODOMY and SEDITION.
Must make you feel so proud, loser--you and your ilk live in the filthy sewer.
W.L. barton| 5.17.10 @ 5:54PM
Diid old Ken the social parasite get his check from Emmett Tyrell this week?
I am sure he needs it for a bottle of rot gut whiskey, as his brain suffers from Organic Brain Damage Syndrome.
Hurry Tyrell, your boy is hurting. His religious cult leaning delusions are starting.
Jordan| 5.17.10 @ 7:28PM
bartman, you've been getting it up your butt for so long you've lost all sense of decency.
Nick| 5.17.10 @ 6:10PM
***THE TENETS OF THE MODERN LIBERAL MOVEMENT***
Pro-abortion/Anti-family
Pro-euthanasia/Anti-living
Pro-death/Anti-life
Pro-homosexuality/Anti-marriage
Pro-sodomy/Anti-chastity
Pro-pornography/Anti-modesty
Pro-perversion/Anti-virtue
Pro-criminal/Anti-gun
Pro-crime/Anti-law enforcement
Pro-perjury/Anti-truth
Pro-socialism/Anti-commerce
Pro-despotism/Anti-freedom
Pro-Arab/Anti-Israel
Pro-terrorist/Anti-American
Pro-Islam/Anti-Christian
Pro-pagan/Anti-God
Pro-Satan/Anti-Christ
The main reason people are "liberal", is because of licentiousness. Most of these sexual libertines just want to cheat on their spouse or engage in extra-marital relations.
But, a significant number are practitioners of a multitude of vile and disgusting sexual perversions. To justify their own immorality, they embrace others. This way, they can escape the charge of "hypocrite."
This is why the democrat party is a coalition.
Race-baiters ally themselves with homos, who ally themselves with tree-huggers, who ally themselves with atheists, etcetera, etcetera.
greybeard | 5.17.10 @ 2:13AM
...... its "failure ever to achieve internal harmony." To me that comes across as a lament -- "an expression or feeling of grief," according to my dictionary. And one only laments when what one hoped would happen did not.
also:
In her very own words, Kagan mourned for a day when a party to the left of leftist-liberalism will come again.
For those who wish to cloud this issue by saying she was simply writing about a historical event in her thesis I disagree and remind you of her later more sober moment when she wrote:
a hope that a new, revitalized, perhaps more leftist left will once again come to the fore.
What is it to the left of liberalism that Kagan wishes to come to the fore?
What left of left liberalism politics has she written of in the form of it's sad "demise" that she later in life would lament a revitalized "once AGAIN" wish for?
The words REVITALIZED and "once again" are very key to tying the two writings together from the historical sad demise to a personal future Hope.
http://obamacom.blogspot.com/2.....alist.html