The American Spectator

Sascha H. James| 4.23.10 @ 5:53PM

Lets Finish This

Ed Peters| 4.23.10 @ 8:54PM

This is another great head fake. They are doing this for no other reason other than to say they have something that they disagree with Obama about.

Frank| 4.23.10 @ 9:17PM

these politicians want us to support a land grabbing European colony in the Middle east, and then we're surprised that we have to fight a war on terrorism. support for israel is un-american, and immoral at this point. the moment america changes that policy is when will be back on the right track. Until then its all talk.

Crusader| 4.23.10 @ 10:00PM

I know man you are So right. I mean, that's the reason the muslims invaded Spain and France around, what, 700, 800 AD? Because THEY were suporting Israel. Its also why the muslim Barbary pirates attacked American shipping vessels in the early 1800s, because of president Jefferson's unwavering support for Israel.

Right?

Truth to Power| 4.24.10 @ 3:05PM

I have been study diligently and still haven't figured out how India is connected with Israel. If a country attracts Muslim violence it must have an Israeli connection according to paleocon thinking. Like any ideology it requires much creativity when confronted with facts.

TtoP| 4.24.10 @ 3:06PM

Make that studying.

Margie| 4.25.10 @ 10:53PM

From my studying of the Paleocons and Paul-bots, they also seem to have as their motivation a deep seated obsession and hatred of Israel, thus the same obsessive hatred toward those who defend her.
Thus the name calling:
"Neo-Con"
"Israel Firster"
"Slut"
"America Hater"
"Fascist Sweetie"
And other choice names.

It is OK for them to do, but tell the truth about warped mindset and they will quickly label you all of the above, and then some. The truth cannot be stifled, and I refuse to hide my lamp under a bushel!

Occam's Tool| 4.25.10 @ 12:56AM

Are you sure you aren't my favorite superhero, Old Texican?

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.25.10 @ 12:36PM

Nope, Tool.

This is my first comment on this thread, but thank you for the warm compliment.

You might recall that many Jews have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of History. I seem to recall that while Moses was on the Mount, getting the Ten Commandments, many Jews were busily crafting a "golden calf" idol to worship. I seem to recall that they were consigned by God to wander in the wilderness for forty years thereby.

PS Tim*

I am the one that teases Roman church members arrogantly calling themselves "Catholic" which means ...sorta..."Universal", because they never were...the "Universal" Christian Church.

Hmmmmm, let's see...Paul wrote to the Church of Corinth...twice. To Rome only once. heh.

No, the Roman Church only became duh "biggest",
after being taken up as the "state religion" of the Roman empire...at the point of a sword....heh...and their version of the IRS.

That is simple historical fact.

Having said all that, Some of my most delightful friends and fellow Christian brothers and sisters are Roman Priests....and Roman communicants.

Also, I have some some great friends among the Eastern Orthodox community...uh as equally old, (and at one time larger) than the Roman Christian Community.

(I commend you to the fourth Chapter of Ephesians, for further discussion on the above.)

Le Cracquere| 4.23.10 @ 10:21PM

Yeah, man! The West needs to stay within its original, proper bounds in the Middle East. Like--Hell, I don't know, the borders of the Roman Empire or something.

Oh, wait...

rrebell| 4.24.10 @ 4:24PM

pitiful creature

Crusader| 4.23.10 @ 10:03PM

Anyway, as to the article, all I can say is Schumer and Weiner are like "Douche and Douche-ier." A couple of libtard NY scumbags. Too late to whine now fellas.

sam| 4.24.10 @ 1:37AM

They've got to make a showing for their Jewish constituents don't they? Just more puppetry for Obama.

Yosemeti Sam| 4.24.10 @ 12:44AM

LOL.

The - audacity!

Did they run this by BHOs' fish man?

Mimi| 4.24.10 @ 8:48AM

Thank Mr. Klein, I have a thing or two to say to Mr SCHUMER: Heh Chuckie (AKA, Johnnie come lately) Where have you been?... On a visit to the Holicost museum, did you take "O" with you? NOW ISRAEL NEED'S OUR SUPPORT?.........Know this ,....We New Yorkers are a savvey bunch . Our churches and Synagogues are still packed on Sat. & Sunday. The crowds you will get at upstate shopping centers will pale in comparison. We know what you and your pal's are about: (ie) Indy-Mac, terror trials in N.Y.city, wealth leaving the state small businesses boarded up (mostly related to the threat of increased fee's ,....taxes....utility bills and all the consequences of poor policies coming from Washington!!! What we need desparately in N.Y. is a Scott-Brown with a pick-up truck, to DEFEAT you in November. The tide has turned our need for you is over!!

Charles Jackson| 4.24.10 @ 9:59AM

Chuckie and Tony are shrills for Israel. Are they Jewish by any chance?

Raymond | 4.24.10 @ 11:14AM

What all the supporters of Israel in the US Congress need to explain to the American taxpayer is why, Israel a country that enjoys a standard of living equal to that of Western Europe has the right to get more than $3 billions a year of the taxpayers's money? Money we do not have and therefore have to borrow from China/Russia/ Japan/ Saudi Arabia.

ACynic| 4.24.10 @ 11:48AM

These two sad-sack neo-communist/bolshevik lying hypocrites are getting what they deserve - Barry Hussein stabbing them in the back.
They are still sleeping with the devil, and the devil ALWAYS gets his due.
Shumer and Whiner - are a pair of arrogant, elitist, narcissitic, greedy, lying snake politicians.
If Israel gets into a war Iran, lets hope these two frauds volunteer for front line duty with the IDF.
I am not holding my breath.

Mimi| 4.24.10 @ 11:56AM

The United nations GAVE the land of Israel to allow the Jewish People to form a new nation. They have been good stewards and should be thought of a great BLESSING to all surrounding peoples. We support them because from their beginning they have constantly been attacked,and mostly it is the RIGHT thing to do to give them our support. After WWII many soldiers returned with photos of the Nazi concentration camps. The sights of those pictures put an indelible mark on American consciousness that will be forever there.....NEVER AGAIN. The continued conflict began even before WWII... Today, the remnants of a Nazi ideology is the cause of, and hopefully at some point will fade, to bring peace. The SEnator and Congressman to speak out now comes off as pure political. But we patriots, will always, LOVE, pray for, and speak out for ISRAEL.

Tim*| 4.25.10 @ 10:26AM

Mimi here , elsewhere on AS , attacks The Catholic Church and Catholics and calls them "Romans " . Then she turns around and defends Israel and Israelis .

My Catholic Father had his Troopers ,many , who were Catholics liberate one of those camps , Agenda Broad.
Ya wanna derogatorily attempt to call them " Romans " ?
You Israeli Firster Types are reckless and slandering to others ,who don't fit your agenda.

Tim*| 4.25.10 @ 10:35AM

Mimi , " Never Mind "

I just reread those posts and it was a broad named , " Mames " .
Disregard what I wrongly associated with you.

I try not to slander people and fess up ,when I screw up .
I screwed up & I apologize Mimi ,who is Not " Mames " .

Mimi| 4.25.10 @ 2:12PM

THANKS...TIM, AS you all know by now I can't TYPE worth a darn. ..... But , my father used to fondly call me Mame. Ihave been called, Mims, and by my KIDS, MA DUKES. My recent mover called me a sweet lady, One night when I was on the night shift an alcoholic called me....An "ANGEL IN THE NIGHT" . That one had me walking out, in the morning with my feet off the ground. Keep up the post's Tim, and God I loved being called " A BROAD" . I will tell you, as others on AS have deducted, I AM Proud to say.... YES, I AM A ROMAN CATHOLIC!!!!!& PRO-LIFE to the HILT!!

Margie| 4.25.10 @ 9:57PM

Project much, Timmy?*

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 10:53AM

No Margie,but You certainly seem to .

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 11:43AM

Yet Tim* the "good Catholic" is a filthy mouthed liar. Here are some of his posts to his Christian sister~ me! )Although I'm not quite sure Catholics consider those Christians outside of the Catholic Church to be Christians, judging by "Teflon's" posts).

Tim*| 4.20.10 @ 6:49PM

"Now Margie ,You Slandering Slut !

My ilk is Tea Party Rebel ,while Your Ilk Margie ,is Israeli Firster NeoConservative Fanatic ,who attempts to slander anyone ,who dares to question The Foreign Nation of Israel's Agenda ans Uunited States National Interests in The ME.

Watch your Scummy Slandering Mouth ,Maniewoman."

And more posts by the good "Catholic" Tim*~
Tim*| 4.20.10 @ 6:53PM

"Gee Margie, Our Tea Party America First Agenda Trumps Your Israel Firster Agenda, Fascist Sweetie . "
Tim*| 4.20.10 @ 8:38PM

"Now Fanatical Neoconservative Israel Firster Margie ,are you disputing that America First trumps Israel First ?
You're Up Nutbag !"
Tim*| 4.20.10 @ 9:00PM

"That's My Point Crazy Lady.

See A Therapist."
Tim*| 4.20.10 @ 9:52PM

"Uh Oh ! Look what the cat dragged back in.

Sorry Margie,We,Tea Party Rebels don't cotton to gettin' your Israel Firster Agenda Browbeaten into us.
Shove Off Zany Lady."

Is this what you tolerate as good Catholics? This type of behavior? As long as someone's not a Catholic, just a lowly Christian, you allow each other to slander and stomp upon your fellow Christian?

And you guys speak of intolerant? Bigotry and hatred? Obsession? Projection?

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 12:00PM

DUUUHHH Margie , Catholics Are Christians ! Didn't ya get the memo,Honey ?

Now, now don't " Project Unto Others " Sweetie Pie !

You seem so upset ,once again.

Someone help this poor woman.

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 12:16PM

Filthy mouthed Tim*~
According to some of the "lovely" Catholics I see posting here~ I am not a Christian, because I am not Catholic.
Your people are the ones doing such.

Upset? No~ I will continue to expose the liar you are.
Loony tunes Paul-bot anti-semite that you are!

victor| 4.26.10 @ 1:06AM

Little *Timmy*:
"Ya wanna derogatorily attempt to call them " Romans "

"The Catholic Church, also known as the *Roman* Catholic Church"

Well, isn't that what you are?
Why else would it be called the *Roman* Catholic Church, eh?
You want to talk about camps?
My mother was in one of those camps.
You're father was not liberating those camps in the name of the church, but as an American soldier. That was the only thing that was important.
BTW what do you say to Paul?
Romans 2:29:
"But he is a Jew which is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart in the spirit and not in the letter whose praise is not of men but of God"
If we accept Christ Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, then we become Jews.

You need to look within yourself and ask yourself why you came to hate the Jews and who taught you to hate them.

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 11:01AM

Actually Vic Baby , Jesus was the first "Jew For Jesus " .
Second , You don't get to " Define " Me , Vic Boy.
Aaand , as my Dad had his Troopers Liberate that Nazi Concentration Camp , as an American .I can comment on Israeli , as an American.

Wanna make somethin' of it , Viccy !

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 11:25AM

By The Way Sport , Do Your homework

We believe The New Covenant In Christ fulfilled and replaced The Mosaic covenant .

Other Religious Groups call it Supersessionism , Replacement Theology and Fulfillment Theology .

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 11:49AM

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them." Mt. 5:17.

Really filthy mouthed Tim*? I just presented you with Jesus' words. He did NOT say he came to "replace" the Law, but to fulfil it.

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 12:08PM

Oh Looky , Margie !
" Various forms of supersessionism have been the mainstream Christian interpretation of the New Testament since the inception of all three main historical traditions within Christianity — Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant.
Protestant views on supersessionism revolve around their understanding of the relationship between the various covenants of the Bible, particularly the relationship between the covenants of the Old Testament and the New Covenant. The most prominent Protestant views on this relationship are called Law and Gospel, Covenant Theology, New Covenant Theology, and Dispensationalism. These views are not restricted to a single denomination."

Ya gonna wash all their mouths out with soap ? Hmmmm , Crazed Lady .

Tee Hee !

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 12:11PM

Filthy mouthed Tim*~
I'll go with Christ's words any day.
Keep calling me crazy.

Tim*| 4.26.10 @ 12:44PM

O.K. You're Crazy ,Margie !

Uh Oh ,Now Ya wanna play "Dueling Bibles " !

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

" When therefore the lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those farmers?' They told him, 'He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will lease out the vineyard to other farmers, who will give him the fruit in its season."

I'll Be Bakkkk , Zany Lady !

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 1:34PM

As long as you're a Catholic it doesn't matter that you lie and use filthy language! You anti-semitic Catholics will stick together, won't you?

Is there a one who will take Tim* to task?

Not a one!

Red Phillips| 4.26.10 @ 2:07PM

Margie, the take home point is that dispensational pre-millennialism is only one of many different viewpoints regarding these matters. You seem unwilling to concede this. I suspect I am closer to you on matters of faith than I am Tim. I come from a fundamentalist/conservative evangelical background. So I can criticize my own. Too many conservative evangelicals assume that something that is part of their entire system of belief is the only legitimate interpretation of Scripture, because they have been taught (with some justification) that evangelicals simply follow the plain meaning of Scripture. And while there is a conservative literalist case to be made for dispy pre-millennialism, it is far from the only interpretation that arises from a "plain reading" of the Scriptures. In fact, the dispy pre-mil reading is rather esoteric at points. Ask yourself this, if dipy pre-millennialism is the only clear interpretation of a plain reading of Scripture then why is “supersessionism" the historical reading and dispy pre-millennialism a historical Johnny-come-lately interpretation? If you look at the history of this, the fact that dispensational pre-millennialism came to be a dogmatic part of fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism in America (and nowhere else in the world except those places where American Christianity exported itself) is as much a matter of historical accident as it is any suggestion that conservative Christianity inherently lends itself to dispy pre-millennialism or vice versa.

If you were less convinced that the modern nation state of Israel is equal to Israel of the Old Testament and future prophesy, would you be as heavily invested in using the military might and wealth of your own country to subsidize them and guarantee their security?

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 2:57PM

Odd how you guys are getting into doctrine, when I was not, and am not. I honestly go by the Bible as best I can and am not into arguing doctrine. My point is that you can call yourself a Catholic, the supposed Religion that has a monopoly on God (which it does not), and yet you are allowed to be anti-semitic, hateful, filthy mouthed liars. THAT'S my point!

It seems to me that you take Scripture and twist it to suit an anti-semitic view of life. I've noticed that a lot of you guys are Catholic, non-interventionists, Paul-cons, and despise Israel.

It doesn't bode well.

Israel is our ally, that's how I see it. I am against this non-interventionist, ant- Israel thinking. It's wrong. And for that I am hated and abused. So be it.

I will stick to my guns on this anyway. We cannot go back in time and make the world like it was in George Washington's day.

It just so happens that Scripture matches up with my thinking. Or is it the other way around? Yes. I choose to line up my thinking with His.

Red Phillips| 4.26.10 @ 5:36PM

"Odd how you guys are getting into doctrine, when I was not, and am not."

But you are Margie whether you intend to or not when you suggest that Christians should support Israel out of religious duty.

You may not agree with non-interventionism. That's fine. But you persist in making the clumsy and ham-handed association that not "supporting Israel" necessarily equals anti-Semitism. Why could it not equal pro-mindourownbusinessism?

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 7:07PM

Red,
You say~"But you are Margie whether you intend to or not when you suggest that Christians should support Israel out of religious duty."

~Then so be it. I stand up for Israel because they're an ally.

You say~ "you persist in making the clumsy and ham-handed association that "not "supporting Israel" necessarily equals anti-Semitism."

I don't try and make the association that it equals anti-semitism.. people do that themselves when they come out of the woodwork and start accusing me of being a "Neo-con, Israel-Firster, American hating, slandering slut, et al." Is there any wonder that I would make the association? (and the weird thing is, they accuse ME of being the loony).
Why is it that it is always about Israel and no other nation that brings forth such hatred? I don't see it toward any other nation, and you know it.

As for "mindyourownbusinessism" we DO mind our own business as much as we can. It is a messed up and complicated world! I don't see how we could possibly revert back to a time waaay back when, and become non-interventionist.

You revere the Constitution of the U.S.~ and so do I. On that we (I think) can agree, but if you have nothing but vitriol and hatred for me because I cannot agree with what you think, then there's no basis for anything.
Ya know?

But I predict that you won't "allow" me to be able to say that I revere the Constitution. Will you?

Red Phillips| 4.26.10 @ 9:02PM

Margie, I don't have hatred and vitriol for you. I try to be civil. Look at my posts above. They are nothing if not civil. Buy you call me names.

“Why is it that it is always about Israel and no other nation that brings forth such hatred? I don't see it toward any other nation, and you know it.”

Margie, why does Philip Klein always post about Israel? What Campbell in California thinks about Israel. What Rand Paul thinks about Israel. What Obama is doing wrong re. Israel. What liberal Democrat Schumer thinks about Israel. For non-interventionists it is “always about Israel” because that is the country so many interventionists seem to care disproportionately about. If Klein was posting obsessively about the Czech Republic and there was a very powerful Czech Republic lobby trying to influence American foreign policy then we would be maintaining that the US should be neutral re. the Czech Republic.

Margie| 4.26.10 @ 10:23PM

Red,
"You call me names!" LOL. Shall I go back and grab some of your posts to me? Besides, if you behave like an anti-semite, or lie, I'm going to say so.. show respect, and so will I.

And "care disproportionately about Israel?" And to you it is disproportionate...why? Are you not on the side of the Palestinians?

Red Phillips| 4.26.10 @ 10:51PM

Margie, I would be more than happy to put my post up next to your posts and have a neutral third party judge them to see which contains more "vitriol" and "hate." Do read my post. Where have I ever once called you a name?

"And "care disproportionately about Israel?" And to you it is disproportionate...why?"

It is self-evidently disproportionate. We aren't told what Rand Paul's views toward the Czech Republic are and no one much cares. Campbell in CA's views regarding the Czech Republic aren't examined under a microscope. You, Klein and company care a great deal about Israel and then object that we notice.

"Are you not on the side of the Palestinians?"

No I am not. I am on the side of America and what is best for America is for us to stay out of it. I have actually argued before that non-interventionists do themselves a disservice by sometimes coming off as hostile to Israel and overly sympathetic to the Palestinians. I'm sure some are. If you are constantly bombarded with rhetoric that Israel is always on the side of right and can do no wrong, it does tend to inspire an equal and opposite reaction in sympathy for the narrative that refutes that. But the face of non-interventionism doesn't need to be hostility to Israel. It needs to be favoritism for American neutrality.

If you don't believe neutrality has always been my policy, read this. And note the date on it. This is not something I wrote recently to give myself cover.

http://etherzone.com/2004/phil111804.shtml

Margie| 4.27.10 @ 3:58PM

Red,
No animosity here.
I read your article and it's what you usually say. You say some things that are simply not true, and we've been over them before.
GW did not want to go to war. So yes he campaigned a certain way but then we were attacked, and went to war. I know there's no use discussing all of this with you though, as you are just going to insist that "real" conservatives are isolationist and non-interventionists. What I cannot understand is your thinking on this.. No one wants to have to go to war, yet you insist that some of us do and you seek to put a division between conservatives by acting like some do & some don't, and you guys are sort of holier-than-thou. I can only repeat: None of us WANT to go to war. It is simply untrue. We are not warmongers.

Like I always say~ you can't just turn back the clock. We are not the same world as during George Washington's day. I don't get how you can't see that.

As for Ron Paul and his Son's views, they scare me because I don't think they would deal correctly with foreign policy. Not to mention the association the younger has with Kokesh and what that shows.

NO conservative wants war! End of story.

rrebell| 4.24.10 @ 4:45PM

Hello Mimi
Israel have not gotten land from any organization or government. The name of the land is the Land of Israel since time immemorial it was given by somebody else. It will have existed before and after Babylon,Assyria, Persia,the Greeks, the Romans, the Franks the Mamluks, the Philistines, the Caliphates, the Ottomans, nazi Germany,zarist Russia, communist Soviet-Union and many others who don't exist anymore. Israel was not reborn because of the Holocaust, it has reborn because it was predicted long time ago. These two communist Jewish punks these Johnny-comes-lately are not worrying about Israel (or America) but wanted to be reelected. additionally, it is not a good thing that they "support" Israel and the other hand they are supporting the destruction of the United States. If they support Israel ,they should also support a strong America not the destruction of it.

Yehudit| 4.25.10 @ 1:38AM

".... still haven't figured out how India is connected with Israel. If a country attracts Muslim violence it must have an Israeli connection according to paleocon thinking. ...."

Israel and India have been becoming closer allies because they have many similarities: Hindus and Jews have ancient cultures which have adapted to modernity very well without losing their traditions, face the same terrorist enemies, have burgeoning hightech industries ...and both were courted as allies by Bush and are now being dissed by Obama. Israel recently designed a spy-satellite which India shot into space. That kind of closer ally.

Yes Schumer and Weiner are both ultra-liberal Jews in districts which are heavily Jewish. However liberal Jews are so conflicted about Israel I wonder how much their rhetoric is going to impress their constituents. Older Jews yes, younger ones, not sure. What I find enjoyable about this is watching another Dem circular firing squad start to form.

We don't "give" Israel billions of dollars. We give them credits to buy American military hardware, which in some cases they help design. So the money comes back to the American economy, but enhanced. Meanwhile we give way more than that to the various Arab block countries, who really don't need the money, and don't give us anything for it. Obama gave almost a billion to Gaza, i.e. to Hamas.

Mimi| 4.25.10 @ 2:20PM

A.....BILLION???? to HHHHH.....HAMAS????????. My God things are worse than I thought.

Ron Micklin| 4.25.10 @ 5:49PM

Posturing and nothing more. If they were serious, they'd have done their homework on the LA Times / Obama / Rashid Khalidi video cover-up...

Dorothy| 4.25.10 @ 5:52PM

This is just another money-laundering operation. Taxpayer to Govt to Israel to military-industrial complex to guess who. Lots of it ends up in the campaign funds of the collaborators. Obama's health care premiums will be used the same way.

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Heather Robinson| 4.26.10 @ 1:46AM

It seems that more than ever, Republicans are the ones who "get it" when it comes to Israel. Good to know, however, there are at least a few Democrats with the sense to see straight on the middle east.

Mike M| 4.26.10 @ 7:59AM

where was "Shoomer" for the last 15 months?
the damage is already done.
Buckle up.

Tim| 4.26.10 @ 12:07PM

You know that the current White House has become "Comedy Central" when the national security adviser to Obama jokes publically that "Jews are greedy merchants"

I don't know about any of you but with the tension in the air regarding Iranian Nukes this is about as off the wall as I have seen in modern day White House antics and that includes the time Clinton was getting his manhood blown in the oval office.

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Louise| 4.29.10 @ 2:00AM

The ObaMAD Legend

Here's a suggested book title for anyone who will someday write about the hopefully short-lived, Obamaniac dictatorship:

"Double-Crossers, Cross-Dressers & Cross-Bashers"

(For more Obamania, Yahoo "Obama Avoids Bible Verses," "Obama Supports Public Depravity" and "David Letterman's Hate, Etc.")