David Frum calls passage of the health care bill a
Republican/conservative Waterloo. After all, if only the
Right had compromised, it could have extracted some
concessions. He
writes:
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with
none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that
the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is
not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to
Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed
at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the
basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in
1993-1994.
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could
we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely
with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive
taxes on productive enterprise - without weighing so heavily on
small business - without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They
are all the law.
Well, yes. Maybe offering some GOP votes would have made
the monstrosity less bad. There would still be massive
spending and subsidies, but an income tax hike instead of a
Medicare tax hike. Or not quite as big a fine for failure
to buy insurance. A smaller penalty on businesses which
don't offer insurance. An amendment to preserve
health savings accounts. Or something else.
Perhaps.
But how would such a measure have represented "traditional
Republican ideas"? Mitt Romney's Massachusetts system has
been a financial disaster which has left many people still
uninsured and gaming the system, and primary care physicians
stretched. There was little support among liberty-minded
activists for an individual mandate even when it was advanced by
Heritage. Counter-proposals to the Clinton
program were acts of despair offered by those who feared
that the proposed bureaucratic monster might actually be turned
into law.
The Right did right fighting ObamaCare. Yes, we ended
up four votes away from victory.
But the battle crystalized the issue at a time
when the majority of Americans believe that government has grown
too big. Adding another budget-busting program--and any
honest accounting shows it to be budget-busting--at this time was
inexcusable. If one believes in limited government, then
opposition was the only position possible.
In the past, too many Republicans have been too ready to accept
Democratic ends if achieved through "Republican"
means. That is, the GOP cheerfully voted to expand
government, but only a little more slowly.
It's as if someone showed up and announced that he planed
to burn down your neighborhood. One response would be
to say no and fight. The other would be to beg that only
half of the houses be burned down the first night and the rest on
the second night. The latter outcome--essentially the
approach advocated by Frum--might not be quite as awful as the
former. After all, half of us could flee with our
belongings before our homes went up in flames. But taking
the first course, with at least a small chance of victory,
would be far better.
Why bother getting involved in politics if one's goal is simply
mitigating the worst policies, ensuring that government merely
grows at, say, 2.79 percent rather than 3.11 percent a
year? Or that when the federal government decides on
policies, premiums, subsidies, and most everything else about
health insurance, that it adopts a slightly less inefficient tax
to fund its new spending?
Opposition was the only possible strategy. Frum might be
right about the political impact: November is a long time
away and it is dangerous to plan on redecorating leadership
offices currently occupied by the other side. But if the
Right does not take a stand on principle, then it will merely be
arguing over who is the best manager of the bloated, costly, and
meddling welfare state. That is not a debate worth having,
at least among those who prefer to live in a society that
deserves to be called free.
Republicans DID try to compromise. The Democrats never wanted
anything besides a few RINOs signing onto a left-wing bill. The
bill was to extreme for even the liberal Republicans like Snowe.
The entire Republican causus said they would be willing to
compromise as long as talks started with a clean slate. In other
words, a true compomise bill instead of Republicans signing onto
Democratic legislation.
around the track| 3.22.10 @ 3:42PM
David Frum, David Brooks, David Gergen--interesting that three of
the most visible advice-giving moderates/conservatives are always
willing to sacrifice conservative principles to get what----their
praise? Dump them. Don't even mention them.
Peter2011| 4.12.10 @ 4:12AM
The problem was not the lack cooperation, it was the lack of
alternatives to get behind and support instead of just screaming
no. If one cannot fashion a healthcare that provides for a free
market to lower rates, one that makes absolutely sure there are
no federal funds for abortion, one that provides states and
localities flexibility to set in place their own plans, one
changes the tax code that benefits the big insurance companies,
one that could have peeled off votes from the far left or at
least split the Democratic caucus, one that brings about, well
just simple freedom when it comes to health insurance, then maybe
you shouldn’t be in politics at all. I can find trained seals,
monkeys and bears to vote no and I don’t need to pay them over
$150,000 a year along WITH their generous health care benefits on
top of it.
You see where lacking a strong grasp of policy gets you? You see
where being enthralled to corporate donors gets you? Ron Paul
submitted a health care plan. Did anyone on the GOP side promote
it? No.
Peter health
questions
Margie| 3.22.10 @ 3:47PM
The Republicans did what we wanted them to do. Not one voted for
this fraudulent so-called health ins. plan. It is a planned
takeover of our economy designed by a true Marxist.
Now~ we should be proud of the Republicans for doing what we've
been wanting them to do, shouldn't we? Isn't this what so many
always complain about? That they always give in to the Left? So
good. Yet instead some want to blame them for this very thing!
Unbelievable. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Like Rush said today~ Hound the Democrats out of office. I'm with
him. I'll be voting for conservatives in the Republican party
because if we don't do this, we have only ourselves to blame, not
the Republicans.
JanevonMises| 3.22.10 @ 4:11PM
It was a sad day for the Republic, despite the honorable efforts
by the minority party.
Now, I want to make a request to all current and future
Republican members of Congress.
Pledge to give us an "A" not a "C".
REPEAL vs. REPLACE
C, while passing, is simply not good enough.
The difference between the soaring expectations of the American
Dream, and the humdrum, mediocre expectations of the Nanny State.
There is no longer a reasonable opponent with whom to compromise.
This is a fight for the American spirit.
No, Senator McConnell, we do not want your compromise.
Give us an A, not a C.
Wipe the stain from our honor, so that we may be exceptional once
again.
Mary| 3.22.10 @ 4:35PM
Wrong wrong wrong!
That RINO clown must be ignored. We did right to fight it
hook,line and sinker....We don't need anymore half way measures.
Time now to fight for PURE conservatism and total repeal of this
monster.
Half way measures like RINO Bush and McCain got us into this
mess. Kick these clowns to the curb and stick with your
convictions. When we take back the country these people will be
persona non grata!
ZerObama| 3.24.10 @ 11:09PM
YEAH!!! Great post, Mary.
Becky| 3.22.10 @ 4:43PM
Obama the healer, wanted so badly to incorporate Republican ideas
that he couldn't sell them to his party?
Was Frum hypnotized by staring at Obama's pressed pants legs or
something?
I'm beginning to think that when intellectuals over analyze, they
overwork their brains, and the end result is something like this
peice of work.
It is a dull argument, quite possibly from a dull man.
Romneycare is also Mitt's undoing unless the economy in MA
catches on fire in the next year.
It was a product of bipartisianship, a novel idea. Like a novel,
it has proven to be fiction in the real world application. By
what measure does Frum think it is proving a success to be a
model for national implementation when the treasurer of MA has
called it a failure?
Andrew| 3.22.10 @ 6:13PM
Yes, in the past, too many Republicans have been too ready to
accept Democratic ends if achieved through "Republican" means.
But I think we can all accept some Democratic ends as being
Republican ends too. Health care ought to be more affordable,
more widely available, and of higher quality. Plus taxes and
deficits should be as low as possible. So how do we get there?
The GOP needs to have a plan. That’s easier said than done, of
course, but I wish we could all agree on the urgent need to find
a consensus within the GOP.
Getting back to Bandow’s analogy about someone wanting to burn
down your neighborhood, I would like to know WHY someone wants to
burn the neighborhood. What do they hope to achieve? Is it
because they don’t like the color of the houses? Well, maybe we
can paint them. Is it because of some misunderstanding? Well,
maybe we can correct the misunderstanding. Is it because of
simple, blind hate? Well, maybe we can offer a gift of some sort
to smooth things over (perhaps a large, hollow horse, for
example).
sagman888| 3.22.10 @ 6:27PM
I never engage in name-calling. It's rude and anti-reason and
unproductive. I much prefer to engage using ideas as my weapons.
But--I am sorry, I'm really very sorry that I am motivated to
make this one exception to my rule. Mr. Frum, you are a boob. The
words you use that make me think that are these:
"This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows?"
Given how the health are push went down from the beginning, all I
can say, again, is, Mr. Frum, you are a boob. Wait. let me be
more charitable. Mr. Frum, it is possible you are not a boob.
Maybe you are just delusional.
A better mind than Mitts| 3.22.10 @ 6:46PM
Romney lost most of his 'marble' when he feels people will buy
him taking both sides of the issue, according to his political
desires. Mitt is not owed the presidency, Mitt is not for
ordained to be president. Like his pop, he is brainwashed.
America is witness in Romney his raw partisanship and betrayal t
this nation in his need to grasp the power reigns of America.
Mitt is justifying the means to his end of become POTUS by being
the biggest flip=flopper this nation has ever seen. Rather than
pulling this nation together, Mitt is a devise force, not only in
this nation, but in his political party. Romney is displaying the
lowest denominator a politician can reach of pure disingenuous
greed of lust for power. Romney is betraying this nation! We as
American people deserve better than Romney can give!
code| 3.22.10 @ 8:56PM
Conservatives/Republicans/whatever you like to call yourselves -
make up your mind!
Either you're in or you're out.
How can you condemn McCain, Romney, Brown, etc. as RINOs when you
can't make up your mind whether you think it is better for the
country for legislators to work with the Democrats or not?
Janice| 3.23.10 @ 1:14AM
Oh, we made up our minds a long time ago--NO MORE RINOS!!
bert| 3.23.10 @ 2:41AM
Why is the Obama front man david Frum even bothered with
anymore?
This fraud is a Democrat operative that the Obama old media uses
as a pitifull vehicle to attack , slander, and smear any Gop
opposition.
Lets not bother with this creep anymore.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.23.10 @ 10:05AM
NO COMPROMISE!
Bob| 3.23.10 @ 10:40AM
Frum is absolutely wrong from a political viewpoint. But
Republicans are also wrong in being the party of "no" instead of
PROMOTING fiscally conservative plans. Republicans are unanimous
in criticizing "big government" but don't have any plans to make
the government smaller. The largest part of federal spending is
on entitlements -- Medicare and social security -- and
Republicans have absolutely no plans that they all agree to that
reduces spending on these programs. Why? Because the largest
voting segment are seniors and to support getting entitlements
under control means that fewer Republicans will get elected. Just
look at the Republican criticism of reducing Medicare in the
Obama plan-- they should be supporting a reduction of Medicare if
they were really fiscal conservatives and acting on principle.
The real problem is that the Republican party is no longer the
party of fiscal conservatism, it is the party of Christian
fundamentalism which acts on belief, and not reason.
Nobama| 3.24.10 @ 11:08PM
Screw you, stupid; no one cares what you think.
pamela| 4.12.10 @ 12:58PM
How insulting!! As a full-time mom, I consider myself quite
well-informed. Granted, I do not have very young children
anymore, which does give me more time to peruse the newspaper,
but it is wrong to assume that mothers who work outside the home
are somehow more intelligent or interesting than full-time moms.
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Mike| 7.8.10 @ 1:41PM
I do think this post is interesting. Health care reform is a
major issue that impacts all of our lives. Fortunately for me I
am an ARMY soldier and I have VA benefits. Although they are not
great they are free. It is against Americans civil rights to
force them to purchase health care and furthermore to control the
cost by private companies. My previous comments have been removed
I am guessing because you think they are spam. I have made solid
comments with substance and have been a long time supporter of
this site. If you are going to remove my comment please remove
the 8 comments above mine because they do not even reference this
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Judy| 8.4.10 @ 4:00PM
Obama's plan may not have been the best idea but SOMETHING needs
to be done about health care costs. My husband and I (both age 52
and healthy) pay between $17 thousand and $20 thousand a year out
of pocket for health care (includes cost of policy) for just two
of us. Our insurer offered no prescription coverage. Prescription
costs are OUTRAGEOUS. I recently had a sinus infection and had to
pay $465 for one months prescription. We are lucky we can afford
it, most American's cannot. Judy at Green Bean Recipes
Siegfried X| 3.22.10 @ 3:37PM
Republicans DID try to compromise. The Democrats never wanted anything besides a few RINOs signing onto a left-wing bill. The bill was to extreme for even the liberal Republicans like Snowe.
The entire Republican causus said they would be willing to compromise as long as talks started with a clean slate. In other words, a true compomise bill instead of Republicans signing onto Democratic legislation.
around the track| 3.22.10 @ 3:42PM
David Frum, David Brooks, David Gergen--interesting that three of the most visible advice-giving moderates/conservatives are always willing to sacrifice conservative principles to get what----their praise? Dump them. Don't even mention them.
Peter2011| 4.12.10 @ 4:12AM
The problem was not the lack cooperation, it was the lack of alternatives to get behind and support instead of just screaming no. If one cannot fashion a healthcare that provides for a free market to lower rates, one that makes absolutely sure there are no federal funds for abortion, one that provides states and localities flexibility to set in place their own plans, one changes the tax code that benefits the big insurance companies, one that could have peeled off votes from the far left or at least split the Democratic caucus, one that brings about, well just simple freedom when it comes to health insurance, then maybe you shouldn’t be in politics at all. I can find trained seals, monkeys and bears to vote no and I don’t need to pay them over $150,000 a year along WITH their generous health care benefits on top of it.
You see where lacking a strong grasp of policy gets you? You see where being enthralled to corporate donors gets you? Ron Paul submitted a health care plan. Did anyone on the GOP side promote it? No.
Peter health questions
Margie| 3.22.10 @ 3:47PM
The Republicans did what we wanted them to do. Not one voted for this fraudulent so-called health ins. plan. It is a planned takeover of our economy designed by a true Marxist.
Now~ we should be proud of the Republicans for doing what we've been wanting them to do, shouldn't we? Isn't this what so many always complain about? That they always give in to the Left? So good. Yet instead some want to blame them for this very thing! Unbelievable. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Like Rush said today~ Hound the Democrats out of office. I'm with him. I'll be voting for conservatives in the Republican party because if we don't do this, we have only ourselves to blame, not the Republicans.
JanevonMises| 3.22.10 @ 4:11PM
It was a sad day for the Republic, despite the honorable efforts by the minority party.
Now, I want to make a request to all current and future Republican members of Congress.
Pledge to give us an "A" not a "C".
REPEAL vs. REPLACE
C, while passing, is simply not good enough.
The difference between the soaring expectations of the American Dream, and the humdrum, mediocre expectations of the Nanny State. There is no longer a reasonable opponent with whom to compromise. This is a fight for the American spirit.
No, Senator McConnell, we do not want your compromise.
Give us an A, not a C.
Wipe the stain from our honor, so that we may be exceptional once again.
Mary| 3.22.10 @ 4:35PM
Wrong wrong wrong!
That RINO clown must be ignored. We did right to fight it hook,line and sinker....We don't need anymore half way measures. Time now to fight for PURE conservatism and total repeal of this monster.
Half way measures like RINO Bush and McCain got us into this mess. Kick these clowns to the curb and stick with your convictions. When we take back the country these people will be persona non grata!
ZerObama| 3.24.10 @ 11:09PM
YEAH!!! Great post, Mary.
Becky| 3.22.10 @ 4:43PM
Obama the healer, wanted so badly to incorporate Republican ideas that he couldn't sell them to his party?
Was Frum hypnotized by staring at Obama's pressed pants legs or something?
I'm beginning to think that when intellectuals over analyze, they overwork their brains, and the end result is something like this peice of work.
It is a dull argument, quite possibly from a dull man.
Romneycare is also Mitt's undoing unless the economy in MA catches on fire in the next year.
It was a product of bipartisianship, a novel idea. Like a novel, it has proven to be fiction in the real world application. By what measure does Frum think it is proving a success to be a model for national implementation when the treasurer of MA has called it a failure?
Andrew| 3.22.10 @ 6:13PM
Yes, in the past, too many Republicans have been too ready to accept Democratic ends if achieved through "Republican" means. But I think we can all accept some Democratic ends as being Republican ends too. Health care ought to be more affordable, more widely available, and of higher quality. Plus taxes and deficits should be as low as possible. So how do we get there? The GOP needs to have a plan. That’s easier said than done, of course, but I wish we could all agree on the urgent need to find a consensus within the GOP.
Getting back to Bandow’s analogy about someone wanting to burn down your neighborhood, I would like to know WHY someone wants to burn the neighborhood. What do they hope to achieve? Is it because they don’t like the color of the houses? Well, maybe we can paint them. Is it because of some misunderstanding? Well, maybe we can correct the misunderstanding. Is it because of simple, blind hate? Well, maybe we can offer a gift of some sort to smooth things over (perhaps a large, hollow horse, for example).
sagman888| 3.22.10 @ 6:27PM
I never engage in name-calling. It's rude and anti-reason and unproductive. I much prefer to engage using ideas as my weapons.
But--I am sorry, I'm really very sorry that I am motivated to make this one exception to my rule. Mr. Frum, you are a boob. The words you use that make me think that are these:
"This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none. Could a deal have been reached? Who knows?"
Given how the health are push went down from the beginning, all I can say, again, is, Mr. Frum, you are a boob. Wait. let me be more charitable. Mr. Frum, it is possible you are not a boob. Maybe you are just delusional.
A better mind than Mitts| 3.22.10 @ 6:46PM
Romney lost most of his 'marble' when he feels people will buy him taking both sides of the issue, according to his political desires. Mitt is not owed the presidency, Mitt is not for ordained to be president. Like his pop, he is brainwashed.
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/
good blog above on disingenuous Romney!
America is witness in Romney his raw partisanship and betrayal t this nation in his need to grasp the power reigns of America. Mitt is justifying the means to his end of become POTUS by being the biggest flip=flopper this nation has ever seen. Rather than pulling this nation together, Mitt is a devise force, not only in this nation, but in his political party. Romney is displaying the lowest denominator a politician can reach of pure disingenuous greed of lust for power. Romney is betraying this nation! We as American people deserve better than Romney can give!
code| 3.22.10 @ 8:56PM
Conservatives/Republicans/whatever you like to call yourselves - make up your mind!
Either you're in or you're out.
How can you condemn McCain, Romney, Brown, etc. as RINOs when you can't make up your mind whether you think it is better for the country for legislators to work with the Democrats or not?
Janice| 3.23.10 @ 1:14AM
Oh, we made up our minds a long time ago--NO MORE RINOS!!
bert| 3.23.10 @ 2:41AM
Why is the Obama front man david Frum even bothered with anymore?
This fraud is a Democrat operative that the Obama old media uses as a pitifull vehicle to attack , slander, and smear any Gop opposition.
Lets not bother with this creep anymore.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.23.10 @ 10:05AM
NO COMPROMISE!
Bob| 3.23.10 @ 10:40AM
Frum is absolutely wrong from a political viewpoint. But Republicans are also wrong in being the party of "no" instead of PROMOTING fiscally conservative plans. Republicans are unanimous in criticizing "big government" but don't have any plans to make the government smaller. The largest part of federal spending is on entitlements -- Medicare and social security -- and Republicans have absolutely no plans that they all agree to that reduces spending on these programs. Why? Because the largest voting segment are seniors and to support getting entitlements under control means that fewer Republicans will get elected. Just look at the Republican criticism of reducing Medicare in the Obama plan-- they should be supporting a reduction of Medicare if they were really fiscal conservatives and acting on principle.
The real problem is that the Republican party is no longer the party of fiscal conservatism, it is the party of Christian fundamentalism which acts on belief, and not reason.
Nobama| 3.24.10 @ 11:08PM
Screw you, stupid; no one cares what you think.
pamela| 4.12.10 @ 12:58PM
How insulting!! As a full-time mom, I consider myself quite well-informed. Granted, I do not have very young children anymore, which does give me more time to peruse the newspaper, but it is wrong to assume that mothers who work outside the home are somehow more intelligent or interesting than full-time moms. youtube to mp3
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Mickeal Cudi| 6.22.10 @ 12:21AM
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Nicholas| 7.7.10 @ 11:57PM
I could not disagree more. This reform is going to do nothing but water down the existing health care system and reduce the quality for everyone.
Primegrattage| 7.8.10 @ 5:34AM
Hi Doug, thank you for article, it's very interesting
Mike| 7.8.10 @ 1:41PM
I do think this post is interesting. Health care reform is a major issue that impacts all of our lives. Fortunately for me I am an ARMY soldier and I have VA benefits. Although they are not great they are free. It is against Americans civil rights to force them to purchase health care and furthermore to control the cost by private companies. My previous comments have been removed I am guessing because you think they are spam. I have made solid comments with substance and have been a long time supporter of this site. If you are going to remove my comment please remove the 8 comments above mine because they do not even reference this article. I have been and will continue to be a supporter of this website. I am a frequent reader and I do make relevant comments. Throw me a little love in return please.Youtube to MP3
Judy| 8.4.10 @ 4:00PM
Obama's plan may not have been the best idea but SOMETHING needs to be done about health care costs. My husband and I (both age 52 and healthy) pay between $17 thousand and $20 thousand a year out of pocket for health care (includes cost of policy) for just two of us. Our insurer offered no prescription coverage. Prescription costs are OUTRAGEOUS. I recently had a sinus infection and had to pay $465 for one months prescription. We are lucky we can afford it, most American's cannot. Judy at Green Bean Recipes