Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) has announced a deal with the
White House. Upon passage by Congress, President Obama will sign
an executive order that is supposed to affirm no public funds
will go to abortions under the health care bill. I have yet to
see the language -- I could see where it might help the community
health centers problem but not the federal subsidies for abortion
coverage allowed under the Senate bill. But there are serious
questions about whether an executive order could legally fix all
of the problems with this bill from a pro-life perspective. And
an executive order can be rescinded by any president at any time,
while the law is permanent unless expressly repealed.
I believe Stupak is sincere in his commitment to the pro-life
cause. But there was always a danger in letting the outcome hinge
on pro-life liberals who in principle supported this approach to
health care reform -- indeed, would support a bill to the left of
this one -- as long as it contained satisfactory language on
abortion.
UPDATE: Here is the
text of the executive order, according to the Washington
Post.
Gene, Gene, made a machine
Joe, Joe, made it go
Hank, Hank, turned the crank
Bart, Bart, let a fart and blew it all apart
Never count on a guy named Bart.
JmsA| 3.21.10 @ 6:02PM
Never count on a democrat named Stupak.
Janie| 3.21.10 @ 9:21PM
Never count on a DEMOCRAT!
MattSwartz| 3.21.10 @ 4:31PM
If Stupak and his team had any honor, they'd turn the tables on
the floor, vote against the bill, and announce that they were,
like their opponents, negotiating in bad faith.
Why not meet Jesuitical casuistry with the same? They had every
reason to expect that the WH was negotiating in bad faith, and at
that point, throwing good faith after bad is a waste and a
collusion in the evil of the other side. That's what they would
have said and done if they'd been sincere, but they are not
sincere, so they're taking this President at "face value,"
pretending to assume that he'll comprehensively withhold abortion
funding, which goes against everything he believes in.
Stupak showed his true colors today, as I always feared he would.
Hopefully my old neighbors can agree to send him home (or off to
a lobbying position) over this.
Liz| 3.21.10 @ 4:33PM
Not to mention, he's really stupid if he thinks Obama isn't going
to rescind it later.
MarkJ| 3.21.10 @ 4:34PM
Well, Bart Stupak has done us all one favor: Black Bart has just
demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you'd have a
better chance of bumping into Big Foot in a convenience store
than bumping into truly principled pro-life congressional
Democrat.
Here's my prediction for Stupak and his Merry Band of Sell-Outs
in November:
PAIN.
John - TMF| 3.21.10 @ 4:35PM
Two up front thoughts...
1. At least Judas scored 40 pieces of silver... all Stupak got
was a worthless piece of paper adorned with a promise from a
liar.
2. Ultimately the Senate Bill was THE bill that the Dems were
looking for... all of the kickbacks, special deals, abortion
payments... it was merely socialized medicine with the label torn
off.
I have asserted for years that there are NO pro-life Democrats.
The entire socialist agenda is utilitarian, and you cannot have
socialized medicine without the utilitarian impulse of abortion,
euthanasia, and systemic suicide. Costs must be minimized, the
young, old and sick all cost too much.
So, I repeat there are NO pro-life Democrats. This should be the
end of that thinking.
Last thought...
If the US Catholic Bishops had done what they should have done,
ages ago, and publicly and soundly excommunicated all Catholic
Politicians who supported killing children as a right, then well
we probably wouldn't be here... but they equivocated... and the
price for their "mercy" is more death, poverty, and misery.
:-/
The Mighty Fahvaag
Flip| 3.21.10 @ 4:50PM
If Antle still believes Stupak gives a flip for the pro-life
cause, he is sadly deluded. There's no way he could believe that
this EO does anything for the cause he has pretended all these
months to be concerned about. In fact, he's a total sellout of
the pro-life cause. He is not pro-life.
Flip| 3.21.10 @ 4:53PM
Obama doesn't need to rescind the EO, Liz, it's entirely
worthless from the get-go. Stupik knows that.
BD57| 3.21.10 @ 5:05PM
Stupak has settled for a fig leaf. His strategy is the bold lie -
tell people you've worked out a principled solution, etc. and
count on enough voters being fooled for you to stay in office.
"Pro-Life Democrat" is an oxymoron.
Leon| 3.21.10 @ 5:20PM
Stupak caved in 1994 on the Second Amendment.
Stupak caved on Bill Clinton's tax increases.
Stupak always caves.
He just took a few days longer this time.
Missy| 3.21.10 @ 9:22PM
Stupak's a liberal for heaven's sake--ideology trumps all.
They're all Marxists.
Cal Mark| 3.21.10 @ 5:21PM
"I believe Stupak is sincere in his commitment to the pro-life
cause."
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You've been in punditland too long. Some principles are
immovable. This is one of them.
Stupak's conduct in the last few days reminds me of an adulterer
at closing time in a bar: desperately rationalizing away their
wedding ring so to go home with someone.
Maybe. But some people need to do more rationalizing than others.
In any event, the end result is the same: Stupak is wrong and his
"yes" vote could be decisive.
Cal Mark| 3.21.10 @ 5:50PM
We are agreed that Stupak is wrong.
Stupak's antics in the last few days showed he was desperate to
vote "Yes." He finally found a way. Some things you don't
rationalize about, unless you're dishonest. Stupak's true
character showed through.
This will probably pass with more than 216 votes. If nothing
else, Stupak and his sellouts have bought cover for some Blue
Dogs.
Mara| 3.21.10 @ 5:47PM
Stupak was lying all along. Listen to what he said in his town
hall meeting last year.
Bart Stupid agreed to give his vote in exchange for Osama's
signature on the executive order after the voting is complete.
Osama's word is worthless and Stupak is just Stupid for believing
it. No sweat, they will be gone in November.
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Cissy| 3.21.10 @ 9:29PM
Bart Stupack- the go-to boy for the Democrat party. Who'da thunk
it?
Yosemeti Sam| 3.21.10 @ 11:39PM
In all this Stupak theater over personal code of conduct
regarding abortion - do Stupak think GOD is a casual observer to
his U-turn?
ella| 4.26.10 @ 12:39PM
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of benefits, fills different“ gaps” in Medicare coverage, and
varies in price. Medigap plans K and L are new plans that became
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dimppy| 5.15.10 @ 3:07AM
The entire socialist agenda is utilitarian, and you cannot have
socialized medicine without the utilitarian impulse of abortion,
euthanasia, and systemic suicide.CFD
Osama's word is worthless and Stupak is just Stupid for believing
it. No sweat, they will be gone in November.
luna33| 6.30.10 @ 12:40PM
In response to Rep. Bart Stupak's announcement that he and other
self-labeled "pro-life" Democrats will vote in favor of
Healthcare reform legislation with the addition of an Executive
OrdeJobs
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Bart Stupack- the go-to boy for the Democrat party.
sany| 9.16.10 @ 5:18AM
By Garance Franke-Ruta The president of the National
Organization for Women said her group is "incensed" about the
impasse-breaking deal between President Obama and a group of
anti-abortion Catholic Democrats that seems likely to allow
historic health..
I'm sorry to see that Stupak was bamboozled by BHO surgery
Steffen| 2.21.11 @ 1:59PM
I think that Bart Stupak has done us all one favor: Black Bart
has just demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you'd have
a better chance of bumping into Big Foot in a convenience store
than bumping into truly principled pro-life congressional
Democrat.
Ned| 3.21.10 @ 4:26PM
A rhyme from childhood reminds me of Stupak:
Gene, Gene, made a machine
Joe, Joe, made it go
Hank, Hank, turned the crank
Bart, Bart, let a fart and blew it all apart
Never count on a guy named Bart.
JmsA| 3.21.10 @ 6:02PM
Never count on a democrat named Stupak.
Janie| 3.21.10 @ 9:21PM
Never count on a DEMOCRAT!
MattSwartz| 3.21.10 @ 4:31PM
If Stupak and his team had any honor, they'd turn the tables on the floor, vote against the bill, and announce that they were, like their opponents, negotiating in bad faith.
Why not meet Jesuitical casuistry with the same? They had every reason to expect that the WH was negotiating in bad faith, and at that point, throwing good faith after bad is a waste and a collusion in the evil of the other side. That's what they would have said and done if they'd been sincere, but they are not sincere, so they're taking this President at "face value," pretending to assume that he'll comprehensively withhold abortion funding, which goes against everything he believes in.
Stupak showed his true colors today, as I always feared he would. Hopefully my old neighbors can agree to send him home (or off to a lobbying position) over this.
Liz| 3.21.10 @ 4:33PM
Not to mention, he's really stupid if he thinks Obama isn't going to rescind it later.
MarkJ| 3.21.10 @ 4:34PM
Well, Bart Stupak has done us all one favor: Black Bart has just demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you'd have a better chance of bumping into Big Foot in a convenience store than bumping into truly principled pro-life congressional Democrat.
Here's my prediction for Stupak and his Merry Band of Sell-Outs in November:
PAIN.
John - TMF| 3.21.10 @ 4:35PM
Two up front thoughts...
1. At least Judas scored 40 pieces of silver... all Stupak got was a worthless piece of paper adorned with a promise from a liar.
2. Ultimately the Senate Bill was THE bill that the Dems were looking for... all of the kickbacks, special deals, abortion payments... it was merely socialized medicine with the label torn off.
I have asserted for years that there are NO pro-life Democrats. The entire socialist agenda is utilitarian, and you cannot have socialized medicine without the utilitarian impulse of abortion, euthanasia, and systemic suicide. Costs must be minimized, the young, old and sick all cost too much.
So, I repeat there are NO pro-life Democrats. This should be the end of that thinking.
Last thought...
If the US Catholic Bishops had done what they should have done, ages ago, and publicly and soundly excommunicated all Catholic Politicians who supported killing children as a right, then well we probably wouldn't be here... but they equivocated... and the price for their "mercy" is more death, poverty, and misery.
:-/
The Mighty Fahvaag
Flip| 3.21.10 @ 4:50PM
If Antle still believes Stupak gives a flip for the pro-life cause, he is sadly deluded. There's no way he could believe that this EO does anything for the cause he has pretended all these months to be concerned about. In fact, he's a total sellout of the pro-life cause. He is not pro-life.
Flip| 3.21.10 @ 4:53PM
Obama doesn't need to rescind the EO, Liz, it's entirely worthless from the get-go. Stupik knows that.
BD57| 3.21.10 @ 5:05PM
Stupak has settled for a fig leaf. His strategy is the bold lie - tell people you've worked out a principled solution, etc. and count on enough voters being fooled for you to stay in office.
"Pro-Life Democrat" is an oxymoron.
Leon| 3.21.10 @ 5:20PM
Stupak caved in 1994 on the Second Amendment.
Stupak caved on Bill Clinton's tax increases.
Stupak always caves.
He just took a few days longer this time.
Missy| 3.21.10 @ 9:22PM
Stupak's a liberal for heaven's sake--ideology trumps all. They're all Marxists.
Cal Mark| 3.21.10 @ 5:21PM
"I believe Stupak is sincere in his commitment to the pro-life cause."
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You've been in punditland too long. Some principles are immovable. This is one of them.
Stupak's conduct in the last few days reminds me of an adulterer at closing time in a bar: desperately rationalizing away their wedding ring so to go home with someone.
W. James Antle III| 3.21.10 @ 5:43PM
Maybe. But some people need to do more rationalizing than others. In any event, the end result is the same: Stupak is wrong and his "yes" vote could be decisive.
Cal Mark| 3.21.10 @ 5:50PM
We are agreed that Stupak is wrong.
Stupak's antics in the last few days showed he was desperate to vote "Yes." He finally found a way. Some things you don't rationalize about, unless you're dishonest. Stupak's true character showed through.
This will probably pass with more than 216 votes. If nothing else, Stupak and his sellouts have bought cover for some Blue Dogs.
Mara| 3.21.10 @ 5:47PM
Stupak was lying all along. Listen to what he said in his town hall meeting last year.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthin.....obamacare/
philfl63| 3.21.10 @ 6:29PM
Bart Stupid agreed to give his vote in exchange for Osama's signature on the executive order after the voting is complete. Osama's word is worthless and Stupak is just Stupid for believing it. No sweat, they will be gone in November.
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Cissy| 3.21.10 @ 9:29PM
Bart Stupack- the go-to boy for the Democrat party. Who'da thunk it?
Yosemeti Sam| 3.21.10 @ 11:39PM
In all this Stupak theater over personal code of conduct regarding abortion - do Stupak think GOD is a casual observer to his U-turn?
ella| 4.26.10 @ 12:39PM
Each standard plan, labeled A through L, offers a different set of benefits, fills different“ gaps” in Medicare coverage, and varies in price. Medigap plans K and L are new plans that became available in 2006. internet fax
dimppy| 5.15.10 @ 3:07AM
The entire socialist agenda is utilitarian, and you cannot have socialized medicine without the utilitarian impulse of abortion, euthanasia, and systemic suicide.CFD
scooby doo games| 5.20.10 @ 3:49AM
Osama's word is worthless and Stupak is just Stupid for believing it. No sweat, they will be gone in November.
luna33| 6.30.10 @ 12:40PM
In response to Rep. Bart Stupak's announcement that he and other self-labeled "pro-life" Democrats will vote in favor of Healthcare reform legislation with the addition of an Executive OrdeJobs in Spain
cody| 7.16.10 @ 2:36PM
Bart Stupack- the go-to boy for the Democrat party.
sany| 9.16.10 @ 5:18AM
By Garance Franke-Ruta The president of the National Organization for Women said her group is "incensed" about the impasse-breaking deal between President Obama and a group of anti-abortion Catholic Democrats that seems likely to allow historic health..
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Sam| 10.21.10 @ 10:59AM
I'm sorry to see that Stupak was bamboozled by BHO
surgery
Steffen| 2.21.11 @ 1:59PM
I think that Bart Stupak has done us all one favor: Black Bart has just demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you'd have a better chance of bumping into Big Foot in a convenience store than bumping into truly principled pro-life congressional Democrat.
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