I've always had a soft spot for Firedoglake, even though Jane
Hamsher has blown off all but one attempt for me to converse with
her. They are often hideously left, but to their credit they are
very very thorough and admirably analytical. Their coverage of
the Scooter Libby trial, for instance, was absolutely essential
reading even though they were determined to show that Libby was
guilty (he wasn't), because they at least reported thoroughly and
carefully.
All of which is prelude to
this, the single most devastating takedown of Obamacare from
the left that I have ever seen. It is intellectually honest and
rigorous. Key paragraph:
A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to
pay $8,628$5,243 per year for insurance. After basic
necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary
income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit
card and other debt, child care and education costs, in
addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for
which families will be responsible. Many families who are
already struggling to get by would be better off saving the
$8,628 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses
directly, rather than being forced to by coverage they can’t
afford the co-pays on.
This is why the individual mandate, even from the lefty point of
view, should be a non-starter. It really, really would cost
ordinary, middle-class families, without them having any choice
in the matter. It is an abomination.
Somebody needs to get this FDL post to every wavering Dem of a
progressive cast of mind.
UPDATE: Oh, and as a bonus,
an earlier FDL post confirms the point that I long have made,
that what this is, is economic fascism.
This is not to wildly sling around labels as political scare
tactics, but to honestly, soberly, and with intellectual
integrity discuss what the word actually means. Key paragraph:
Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous
and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government
by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition
and secure their profits — the textbook
definition of fascism.
FDL also accuses President Obama of bad faith. Good stuff.
UPDATE TWO: Jane Hamsher kindly emailed me a correction on her
numbers, above, as showed in the first excerpted paragraph.
Gosh, imagine if the right had been arguing against the bill
along these lines all along - instead of screeching about death
panels, government takeovers and pulling the plug on grandma. As
it stands, both supporters of the president AND loyal opposition
reside on the left. The right is marginalized because it doesn't
offer honest, substantive criticisms.
Note also the left's willingness to criticize a Democratic
president's policies while it matters instead of sullenly
mumbling about it
long after the pooch has been well and truly screwed.
Really Quin, this short little blog post perfectly encapsulates
why Republicans are discredited and why the right is
intellectually bankrupt. Well done.
Missy| 3.19.10 @ 7:53PM
"Death Panels" are definitely part of ObamaCare--it's just
rationing of medical care. Only corruption laden, morally
bankrupt liberals try to deny it. We will defeat you monsters.
The American people will destroy ObamaCare--"Death Panel" it, if
you will.
Democrats need to be "Death Paneled" on November 2, 2010--big
time.
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tonypal| 3.19.10 @ 3:42PM
Dan, leftist delusions, such as the ones on display in your post,
are always entertaining. My favorite is " Note also the left's
willingness to criticize a Democratic president's policies while
it matters instead of sullenly mumbling about it long after the
pooch has been well and truly screwed. "
Where are all these statesmen on the left Dan going after Obama?
Firedoglake hardly qualifies. On issue after issue, be it
healthcare, cap and trade, spending, etc., the entire American
left has fallen in line behind the chosen one. Now I know you
probably think these are all good things to support, but when the
s**t hits the fan, I doubt that you'll be able to identify
prominent leftists who spoke out in opposition to O's policies.
I also love your "right is intellectually bankrupt" comment. Give
us your evidence. You can go to any number of conservative
websites - the Heritage Foundation comes to mind - to read a
laundry list of conservative policy positions. Of course, you
might have to use the thinking part of your brain, but I have
high hopes for you.
I'm not sure why you are so dismissive of FDL; it's one of the
biggest liberal blogs out there. Glenn Greenwald has launched
blistering criticism of Obama on civil liberties and human
rights. Corrente has
been a pretty consistently skeptical voice coming at Obama from
the left as well. It isn't hard to find that kind of commentary
and activism.
I don't recall ANY commentary from here, NRO, Weekly Standard or
elsewhere questioning the Bush Administration's rush to war in
Iraq at the time. Feel free to correct me with links if you can
find them. I honestly don't think anyone who has paid attention
can miss the difference. The left is much better at criticizing
its leaders than the right.
As for the pols, I don't recall an equivalent to the Progressive
Caucus that opposed Iraq and had to be whipped, cajoled and
otherwise persuaded to come along. The closest the GOP has is Ron
Paul, and for all the devotion of his followers he remains a very
minor player in the party.
Here's why the right is intellectually bankrupt: It has offered
precisely one non-lunatic major policy proposal - Paul Ryan's
budget - which the GOP leadership
sprinted from, raises taxes on 90%
of Americans and (continued on next comment)
won't even balance the budget in his
distant projections. Everything else has been fearmongering
or wishful thinking. That's intellectual bankruptcy in my book.
Nobama| 3.20.10 @ 1:11AM
Forget intellectual bankruptcy as you liberal morons stupidly
grin while Obama and his Marxist minions in congress spend more
trillions of dollars that will force our country into REAL
BANKRUPTCY!
That is MORAL BANKRUPTCY. Democrats are dirt, pure and
simple--and your corrupt policies are a threat to our freedom.
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Rich Rostrom| 3.19.10 @ 7:50PM
"... domination of government by private corporate players who
use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the
textbook definition of fascism. "
Wrong, and the Spectator should not be quoting this with
approval. Fascism is the consolidation of all activity under the
state, including business corporations, labor unions, civic
groups, education, recreations, hobbies - everything. Mussolini
used "corporations" in the Italian meaning to cover all forms of
private organization. It is favorite lie by the Left to claim he
meant only business, and to imply business was to control the
state, and not vice versa.
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This family of four SHOULD NOT HAVE credit cards and educational
expenses [if memory serves me, public education is FREE]. Their
problem [like many others in their economic condition] is that
they spend/blow money on excrement WANTS instead of critical
NEEDS. They no doubt have two new expensive cars, several HDTV's,
a too expensive house,etc; instead of trying to live within their
means. What happens if they have a serious/critical
illness/injury requiring extensive hospitalization [no doubt, the
taxpayers will be on the financial hook if that happens,
right?]!!!!!
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SoCon| 3.19.10 @ 1:34PM
Uh oh. You're going to make Liberal Reader cry if you call him a "Fascist Liberal!" That really gets his tights in a twist. Haha.
Dan| 3.19.10 @ 2:36PM
Gosh, imagine if the right had been arguing against the bill along these lines all along - instead of screeching about death panels, government takeovers and pulling the plug on grandma. As it stands, both supporters of the president AND loyal opposition reside on the left. The right is marginalized because it doesn't offer honest, substantive criticisms.
Note also the left's willingness to criticize a Democratic president's policies while it matters instead of sullenly mumbling about it long after the pooch has been well and truly screwed.
Really Quin, this short little blog post perfectly encapsulates why Republicans are discredited and why the right is intellectually bankrupt. Well done.
Missy| 3.19.10 @ 7:53PM
"Death Panels" are definitely part of ObamaCare--it's just rationing of medical care. Only corruption laden, morally bankrupt liberals try to deny it. We will defeat you monsters.
The American people will destroy ObamaCare--"Death Panel" it, if you will.
Democrats need to be "Death Paneled" on November 2, 2010--big time.
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tonypal| 3.19.10 @ 3:42PM
Dan, leftist delusions, such as the ones on display in your post, are always entertaining. My favorite is " Note also the left's willingness to criticize a Democratic president's policies while it matters instead of sullenly mumbling about it long after the pooch has been well and truly screwed. "
Where are all these statesmen on the left Dan going after Obama? Firedoglake hardly qualifies. On issue after issue, be it healthcare, cap and trade, spending, etc., the entire American left has fallen in line behind the chosen one. Now I know you probably think these are all good things to support, but when the s**t hits the fan, I doubt that you'll be able to identify prominent leftists who spoke out in opposition to O's policies.
I also love your "right is intellectually bankrupt" comment. Give us your evidence. You can go to any number of conservative websites - the Heritage Foundation comes to mind - to read a laundry list of conservative policy positions. Of course, you might have to use the thinking part of your brain, but I have high hopes for you.
Dan| 3.19.10 @ 9:22PM
I'm not sure why you are so dismissive of FDL; it's one of the biggest liberal blogs out there. Glenn Greenwald has launched blistering criticism of Obama on civil liberties and human rights. Corrente has been a pretty consistently skeptical voice coming at Obama from the left as well. It isn't hard to find that kind of commentary and activism.
I don't recall ANY commentary from here, NRO, Weekly Standard or elsewhere questioning the Bush Administration's rush to war in Iraq at the time. Feel free to correct me with links if you can find them. I honestly don't think anyone who has paid attention can miss the difference. The left is much better at criticizing its leaders than the right.
Dan| 3.19.10 @ 9:24PM
As for the pols, I don't recall an equivalent to the Progressive Caucus that opposed Iraq and had to be whipped, cajoled and otherwise persuaded to come along. The closest the GOP has is Ron Paul, and for all the devotion of his followers he remains a very minor player in the party.
Here's why the right is intellectually bankrupt: It has offered precisely one non-lunatic major policy proposal - Paul Ryan's budget - which the GOP leadership sprinted from, raises taxes on 90% of Americans and (continued on next comment)
Dan| 3.19.10 @ 9:24PM
won't even balance the budget in his distant projections. Everything else has been fearmongering or wishful thinking. That's intellectual bankruptcy in my book.
Nobama| 3.20.10 @ 1:11AM
Forget intellectual bankruptcy as you liberal morons stupidly grin while Obama and his Marxist minions in congress spend more trillions of dollars that will force our country into REAL BANKRUPTCY!
That is MORAL BANKRUPTCY. Democrats are dirt, pure and simple--and your corrupt policies are a threat to our freedom.
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Rich Rostrom| 3.19.10 @ 7:50PM
"... domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism. "
Wrong, and the Spectator should not be quoting this with approval. Fascism is the consolidation of all activity under the state, including business corporations, labor unions, civic groups, education, recreations, hobbies - everything. Mussolini used "corporations" in the Italian meaning to cover all forms of private organization. It is favorite lie by the Left to claim he meant only business, and to imply business was to control the state, and not vice versa.
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