So the Congressional Budget Office's numbers are out. Sort of.
While we now have an official document from the CBO evaluating
the Democratic health care proposals, the analysis opens with this following
cautionary note:
Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative
language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly
examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency
with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore
preliminary, pending a review of the language of the
reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and
refinement of the budgetary projections.
What basically happened is that Democrats were rushing to get out
the CBO scores so that they could have some sort of claim to have
released them 72 hours prior to a vote, which they want to hold
on Sunday. But we won't have 72 hours to look at the actual final
scores.
An initial reading of the report suggests that Democrats employed
similar accounting gimmicks as in previous iterations of the
health care bill, while making up a shortfall with more cuts to
Medicare Advantage, siphoning money from the Student loan bill,
and raising taxes further. While I'll go into further detail
later once I've had a chance to look at all of the moving parts,
and analyze the actual bill itself, one thing worth highlighting
is that as expected, Democrats have maintained the strategy of
delaying the major spending provisions until 2014 to create the
appearance that the bill is cheaper over the CBO's ten year
budget window, from 2010 through 2019. In this version, the bill
spends $17 billion in the first four years, while the remaining
$923 billion, or 98 percent, is spent in the next six years. I've
illustrated this tactic in the chart below. One thing to note is
that the oft-quoted $940 billion number only pertains to the cost
of expanding coverage -- which is the bulk of spending in the
bill -- but it does not include all other costs, such as the
providing more Medicare prescription drug subsidies, which costs
about $38 billion. I've used the $940 billion figure in the chart
below, but have specified that it's only the cost of the coverage
provisions.
How much is this REALLY compared to how much is spent right now
in the "private" system?
People act like this is new spending... it's not. It's just spent
a different way. No one... and I mean NO ONE really compares the
numbers that matter. Not fox, not nbc or abc or any of the other
"left wing"...
So stop filling our info highways with crap that doesn't say
crap...
Tax Payer| 3.19.10 @ 3:32PM
Even if the cost is the same "Private" vs "Government" there is a
very large difference.
Under the private system, I DECIDE whether I want to spend money
on health care. If I choose not to, I get sick, loose my house,
etc.
Under the "GOVERNMENT" system, they took more TAX MONEY FROM ME,
and choose to pay someone elses health care bill.
Baerjamin| 6.1.10 @ 2:22PM
@ Tax Payer That's myopic. You are, as a tax payer, paying in ANY
case.
If someone -- some estimates are up to 30% of people -- don't
have insurance and they go to the hospital and they get treated
YOU pay for it anyway! The idea is to take the money you're
already spending via taxes and apportion it in a way that's far
more cost effective and proactive. Today people wait to deal with
medical issues and often show up at the Emergency Room (the most
expensive way to deal with any medical issues). Instead let's
cover those who don't have the means to pay for health insurance
and provide prophylactic education and testing and cut down
dramatically on the expense. In either case you are going to pay.
In either case you can still decide how to best deal with your
own insurance.
…especially when the whip count is still volatile and the clock is ticking. But they followed the rules and the package could earn endorsements from some wavering House Democrats today.” The American Spectator’s Philip Klein: “Democrats have maintained the strategy of delaying the major spending provisions until 2014 to create the appearance that the bill is cheaper over the CBO’s ten year…
…. . Yet the Democrats have transformed these highly uncertain projections into a seemingly precise and reliable dollar figure: $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction during the second decade. Philip Klein at The American Spectator : What basically happened is that Democrats were rushing to get out the CBO scores so that they could have some sort of claim to have released them 72 hours prior to a vote, which they…
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…button Newsvine button Youtube button Home About St. Angilbert Contact Us Site Rules The REAL Hockey Stick Graph! March 18th, 2010 by Saint Angilbert Robert Stacy McCain displays a graphic from Phil Klein at AmSpec concerning the long-term projected costs of the health care reform being championed by Barack Obama, Nancy Peolsi, et. al. And look what they found: Up, up, and aaaaawaaaayyyyyyyyy! It’s…
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Radio show. « Michael Fumento in today’s podcast The CBO’s Obamacare estimate While the Dems would like you to believe that Obamacare will save money, the fact is that 98% of Spending in HC Bill Comes in Last 6 Yrs (h/t Matthew Continetti ), which in graphic form looks like this: That’s what uploading revenues up front and costs at the back end of 10 years – and the first year is…
…is no actual bill to score, and the offsetting of costs in the first decade by delaying program starts as Philip Klein of the American Spectator observes. The American Spectator | CBO: 98% of Spending in HC Bill Comes in Last 6 Yrs While I’ll go into further detail later once I’ve had a chance to look at all of the moving parts, and analyze the actual bill itself, one thing worth highlighting is…
…bill, which was found to reduce the deficit by $138 billion over 10 years. They relied on some of the same accounting gimmicks that they employed in previous estimates as well as some new ones. Democrats delayed most of the major spending provisions until 2014 to make the bill appear cheaper over the CBO’s 10 year budget window; claimed as revenue premiums from a new long-term insurance program, even though that…
…speed!” It would all be comical were it not for the possibility that this slapstick legislative fraternity prank — perpetrated by the “ Slaughter Solution ” with Enron-like accounting gimmicks from the Congressional Budget Office – might yet become law. How did we arrive at this juncture? Health care was endlessly debated by Obama and the other Democratic presidential candidates…
…in the cost of the bill (which they had done in the past) 5. Claiming that additional tax money raised will go to pay for spending in the bill when it must be used for other programs Phillip Klein at the American Spectator also looks at the CBO gimmicks, and points out that part of the trick the Democrats are using is to implement the bulk of the spending past the end of the CBO’s 10-year window: An…
…C.B.O., it would probably add to the deficit in the long term.” “As expected, Democrats have maintained the strategy of delaying the major spending provisions until 2014 to create the appearance that the bill is cheaper over the C.B.O.’s ten year budget window, from 2010 through 2019,” adds Philip Klein of the American Spectator. “The bill spends $17 billion in the first four…
…prescription drug subsidies, which costs about $38 billion. I’ve used the $940 billion figure in the chart below, but have specified that it’s only the cost of the coverage provisions. Spectator.org Categories: General, Politics Tags: Harry Reid, health care, jimmy Naifeh, Kent Conrad, Lawrence O'Donnell, Louise Slaughter, Mark Levin, Messa, Michele Bachmann, Milton R Wolf, Nancy Pelosi, Obama,…
…speed!” It would all be comical were it not for the possibility that this slapstick legislative fraternity prank — perpetrated by the “ Slaughter Solution ” with Enron-like accounting gimmicks from the Congressional Budget Office — might yet become law. How did we arrive at this juncture? Health care was endlessly debated by Obama and the other Democratic presidential candidates…
…mandate in the cost of the bill (which they had done in the past) 5. Claiming that additional tax money raised will go to pay for spending in the bill when it must be used for other programs Philip Klein at American Spectator picked up where Glass left off, and brought up the trick of implementing most of the spending past the CBO’s 10-year window: Democrats have maintained the strategy of delaying the…
…look good in the short term with no good long-term plan. “The bill spends $17 billion in the first four years, while the remaining $923 billion, or 98 percent, is spent in the next six years,” says Philip Klein of the American Spectator. How do we plan to pay for this? Taxes that many economist doubt Congress will ever even get around to passing. I am sure we have all heard the Democrats claim over and over…
…especially when the whip count is still volatile and the clock is ticking. But they followed the rules and the package could earn endorsements from some wavering House Democrats today.” The American Spectator’s Philip Klein: “Democrats have maintained the strategy of delaying the major spending provisions until 2014 to create the appearance that the bill is cheaper over the CBO’s ten year…
…especially when the whip count is still volatile and the clock is ticking. But they followed the rules and the package could earn endorsements from some wavering House Democrats today.” The American Spectator’s Philip Klein: “Democrats have maintained the strategy of delaying the major spending provisions until 2014 to create the appearance that the bill is cheaper over the CBO’s ten year…
ella| 4.26.10 @ 12:54PM
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Krrish| 5.4.10 @ 2:08PM
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Tim| 3.18.10 @ 1:06PM
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Ho Shmo| 3.18.10 @ 11:40PM
How much is this REALLY compared to how much is spent right now in the "private" system?
People act like this is new spending... it's not. It's just spent a different way. No one... and I mean NO ONE really compares the numbers that matter. Not fox, not nbc or abc or any of the other "left wing"...
So stop filling our info highways with crap that doesn't say crap...
Tax Payer| 3.19.10 @ 3:32PM
Even if the cost is the same "Private" vs "Government" there is a very large difference.
Under the private system, I DECIDE whether I want to spend money on health care. If I choose not to, I get sick, loose my house, etc.
Under the "GOVERNMENT" system, they took more TAX MONEY FROM ME, and choose to pay someone elses health care bill.
Baerjamin| 6.1.10 @ 2:22PM
@ Tax Payer That's myopic. You are, as a tax payer, paying in ANY case.
If someone -- some estimates are up to 30% of people -- don't have insurance and they go to the hospital and they get treated YOU pay for it anyway! The idea is to take the money you're already spending via taxes and apportion it in a way that's far more cost effective and proactive. Today people wait to deal with medical issues and often show up at the Emergency Room (the most expensive way to deal with any medical issues). Instead let's cover those who don't have the means to pay for health insurance and provide prophylactic education and testing and cut down dramatically on the expense. In either case you are going to pay. In either case you can still decide how to best deal with your own insurance.
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