Shortly before midnight on Sunday, Democrats released a 2,309
page health care bill that will
start the process of reconciliation -- but don't let that fool
you, it's not the actual reconciliation bill with all the changes
you've been reading about. Instead, as Rep. Paul Ryan, the
ranking Republican member on the Budget Committee,
explained to me last week, this is just the "shell" bill --
the vehicle that Democrats need to get moving on health care.
Once the bill gets approved (likely Monday), Democrats will send
this phantom bill over to the Rules Committee, where it will
be stripped, and then they'll insert in all of the actual
changes that they've negotiated.
Why all of the theatrics?
Well, under the reconciliation rules in last year's budget, any
reconciliation bill would have to have been submitted to the
Budget Committee by October 15, 2009. It just so happens that
earlier versions of health care legislation cleared the Ways and
Means and Education and Labor Committees last year. So Democrats
just dusted that legislation off, and are using that as the
vehicle to begin the reconciliation process. That's why, for
instance, if you look through the 2,309 page bill that was
released Sunday night, you'll find a public option, which
leadership has indicated would not actually be in the final bill.
(Interestingly, the student loan bill is also tacked on at the
end.)
Just a "simple up or down vote," remember?
Last week, Ryan told me that Republicans don't have the votes to
stop the bill in the Budget Committee and that Democrats will
also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments.
However, GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct"
the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight
problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.
For more, check out Ryan's
op-ed in the Washington Post.
Legally--they can't. We have to stop this Leftist power grab one
way or another.
OneCitizenOfTheRepublic| 3.15.10 @ 5:47PM
How can anyone ask the question, about this being legal. Read the
constitution...there is NO place where this is permitted...but
this is not the first time...this is just the most recent, and
most flagrant time where the traitors in Washington D.C. have
violated the oath of office and ignored the will of the people.
Ron DuBois| 3.15.10 @ 10:41PM
I have done all I could to stop them, but if they get it passed
anyway we must create a list of those who voted for it and vote
them out of office. They must learn to listen. then, after the
elections in 2010, start a repeal process.
Marc| 3.16.10 @ 1:46PM
It is time to vote out ALL incumbents to send the message loud
and clear who is in charge. ALL incumbents. The argument against
this seems to be that we would be voting out the good with the
bad????
Okay, let me rephrase then. It is time to vote out only the "bad"
politicians who aren't listening. By all means - keep the good
ones.
See http://heyteachkp.web.officelive.com
Streamlined Plan
Has all we need to really reform health care by taking it back
from the government.
A COUP of our government is underway, just contacting pols is not
enough. We need REAL reform.
Stop drawing more lines!! Left ,right, it's all the same, this is
downright unconstitutional!! bottom line. If it is isn't a wacko
fiscally irresponsible bill from the left, it's money hungry oil
fiends from the right. Bi-partisanship is dead, and bankers now
run this sham that was once America!!
Well said, SoCon, as of today we see where all this mess leads
to and we have to stop it. Not tomorrow, yesterday!
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:46AM
these dems are trying to fool us into thinking that they won the
last election . just because people voted them majorities in the
congress and elected that black man president shouldn't mean that
they get to pass laws and run the country.what is this ?I am sick
of this democracy stuff .
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:00AM
Winning the elections doesn't give them the right to ram through
legislation that a majority of Americans, and a majority of
Congress, opposes. No one elected them to dismantle our
democracy.
And, it appears, no one will re-elect them either, given they
have revealed themselves as power-hungry statists.
Adam H| 3.15.10 @ 3:04PM
well...it DOES give them the "right" to do that. I also do not in
theory disagree with legislation that is opposed by the majority.
I do, however think this is the first (ok, not the first, but a
HUGE) step in destroying our country by turning it into a welfare
state resembling Europe. People think that Europe is a great
place, but there is simply very little technology and research
being conducted there, they have ridden American ingenuity for
well over half a century. WHat happens when we become like them?
Smitty| 3.15.10 @ 11:35PM
Winning an election DOES NOT give politicians the right to ignore
the will of the people.
Democrats must be punished.
Don Schulze| 3.15.10 @ 8:18AM
Your writing and grammatical skills bear witness to your overall
ignorance. Get your GED, take a civics class (I know, 'what's
that?'), then come back and let's talk.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:31AM
Don: do they actually teach civics anymore?
BTW all: go to Heritage Foundation website and have them mail you
a pocket Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Before
this administration cancels all printing and starts subsidizing
and taking over all the news outlets. That is what Totalitarian
Socialists do first isn't it?
Allan| 3.15.10 @ 2:56PM
No, they don't. Civics was dropped years ago. After all, the
biggest danger to the Progressive cause is a well-informed and
well-educated electorate.
MFL| 3.16.10 @ 11:24AM
Don, it is obvious that you don't have enough good sense to come
in out of the rain either
Nobama| 3.16.10 @ 2:14PM
How do you figure, MoFoLiberal?
Smith| 4.12.10 @ 9:26AM
Doesn't "without any substantive revision" mean that they can't
add or subtract a public option?cookware
gerry| 3.15.10 @ 2:37PM
God, love your comment. This democracy stuff needs to be repealed
and we should just stick with the constitution.
Missy| 3.15.10 @ 4:25PM
Democracy? 60+% of Americans REJECT ObamaCare--not very
democratic of Obama to ignore the MAJORITY, is it?
Beachbum| 3.15.10 @ 9:48PM
Good question as if you think about it, Obama didn't have a
problem "not" ignoring the fact that he received 53% of the votes
in 2008 and proclamed he received a "mandate" because of the
percentage of votes. But as you said, the "one" now ignores 52%
who say "do not" pass this health care bill. Of course, this is
not a "mandate" of the people since it does not fit with his
plans.
Sarabeth McCloy| 3.16.10 @ 12:35PM
Too whom it may concern. Please vote no for the Government health
bill. I'm a Senior,and so is my husband.We don't need a
government run health care System.
George V in 1911 Much of the future of the Red and Black is
played on this qualification for the C1, but at the crucial moment,
things are emerging evil It was totally absent in the
determination, there is always next, late A deafening roar rises
from the place where the windows of the Center Room (Salon central)
open up the silhouette of two young people
Good evening,
My laser concern is Health Care- as a result of the recession a
large number of people lost their jobs and now are living through
the dust of the economy. I've worked at a hospital who serves the
needs of patients with neurological disorders , most of them have
no healthcare insurance...(
That's why, for instance, if you look through the 2,309 page
bill that was released Sunday night, you'll find a public option,
which leadership has indicated would not actually be in the final
bill. (Interestingly, the student loan bill is also tacked on at
the end.)
JackMick| 3.15.10 @ 12:32AM
The constitutional lawyers are on it.....Mark Levin was flaming
last nite on his radio program!!!
Mary| 3.15.10 @ 3:22AM
You bet he is! I heard Mark too, and you can bet that teams of
constitutional attorneys across this country have suits ready to
file to prevent this boondoggle from being inflicted on the
American people!
Andrew| 3.15.10 @ 12:32AM
Now wait a minute. The reconciliation rules in last year's budget
(i.e. S. Con. Res 13) say:
In the House, not later than October 15, 2009, the House
committees named in subsections (a) and (b) shall submit their
recommendations to the House Committee on the Budget. Upon
receiving all such recommendations, the House Committee on the
Budget shall report to the House a reconciliation bill carrying
out all such changes without any substantive revision.
Doesn't "without any substantive revision" mean that they can't
add or subtract a public option?
It does not matter what the GOP says or does - they already made
the deal with Big Insurance & Big Pharma. The legislators
from both Parties are in bed with these two Giant industries and
We The People are the pawns whose emotions are up for grabs. We
are being manipulated to think that they actually care for us!!
they don't. All they care about is the next election and the next
one after that. They are a bunch of cross-dressing lowlifes with
power!!
I suppose that's what politics is all about "Perception".
Gosh, I wish I owned an insurance company.
Missy| 3.15.10 @ 1:51AM
Big Pharma and Big Insurance ARE NOT our enemies--BIG GOVERNMENT
IS!!!
Liberal Moron.
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:40AM
that's right , big pharma and big insurance are our friends. they
only want what's best for us . these democrats just want to give
medical care to a bunch of nonproducing poor people who do little
to help the earnings of our companies and thus serve no useful
purpose .
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:02AM
Yes, so lets dismantle our democratic system, destroy free
enterprise, and destroy personal liberty and private property
rights, so we can insure a few layabouts and scofflaws, even if
75% of Americans oppose it.
Neal| 3.18.10 @ 1:02PM
Missy:
Big Pharma and big insurance comapnies along with the oil
comanpies are the ones founding every major election. Open your
eyes!! how can you say that these compainies are not the enemy
when they're the ones writting the legislation through our
"elected" puppets. Compitition drives prices down(that's why we
have monopoly laws), this bill will limit the amount of companies
who can provide health care insurance. That will skyrocket the
prices. If you think it's difficult to get health care now, just
wait until this bill is passed.
Mary| 3.15.10 @ 3:26AM
You're right! And these losers are going to get a rude awakening
in Nov when we go to the polls and vote them all out!! That is,
if the elections haven't been suspended! Better wake up, folks!
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:36AM
oh wait , weren't we happy when the supreme court appointed
george w bush president and made florida stop counting voters
votes ?
wukong| 3.15.10 @ 8:03AM
Florida did not stop counting voters as Bay County where I live
was not a party to the hanging chad nonsense and ouiji board
antics that were employed in certain selective voting districts.
You nitwits need to get over the fact that if you are going to
"manufacture" votes, you need to look at ALL votes.
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:04AM
You mean made them stop "selectively" re-counting votes in only
Democratic districts, and made them stop violating the
Constitutional equal protection rights of people in
non-Democratic districts.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:39AM
When are all of the LibNuts out there going to stop blaming
everything, even what BHO does?!?
Look at recent history: Al Frankin. This piece of history is just
what Democrats, true to their mascot, do all of the time. Look at
Chicago, and other places, where hundreds of thousands of people
stay on the rolls even after they are dead. In some counties and
precincts in the Al Frankin fiasco there were multiple thousands
of people MORE than actually lived there. Hmm... now is that
fair? Well, if the Dems do it, this is considered
righteous.
Cheaters never win and winners never cheat... well except in
politics.
BHO has now made history.
The worst president since way before Jimmy Carter! The worst
deficit in all US history. AND remember health care reform does
NOT mean that right after the bill is signed it will begin! No,
we MAY have to wait 5 years. Know why nobody can read the bill:
there is NO bill.
Ron DuBois| 3.15.10 @ 10:56PM
Did you understand what that twit Pelosi said? She said you have
to pass the health care bill - so we can find out what's in it.
Unbelievable.
Allan| 3.15.10 @ 3:20PM
gid - It was Al Gore trying to steal the election. Remember, he
had lawyers on the ground before the alleged controversy erupted.
Before ...
And of course the news media did a full recount about a year
after the election and Bush's win was in fact legitimate - even
the NY times had to admit that, and they did.
Janie| 3.15.10 @ 4:26PM
2000 was the Democrat's first attempt to use ACORN to steal an
election. GWB just out-smarted them.
JP| 3.15.10 @ 8:03AM
Meredith,
The Health Insurance industry currently enjoys 8% profits. Not
bad, but not that great either. When ObamaCare passes, the "cost
curve" will get bent. The really big health insurance firms like
Blue Cross and United will get more customers (that is the payoff
you alluded to). But, all normal underwriting processes will get
skewed as the federal government will begin its huge regulatory
process. Both businesses and the individual will see very large
premium increases. But many businesses will still find the costs
too high, and will just stop offering health insurance to its
employees (it will be much more affordable to pay the fines). At
that point, people will have to go on Medicare (it will be
illegal not to). Big Insurance will in the long run lose.
Gene| 3.15.10 @ 12:32PM
And where does the constitution fit into that?
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:05PM
Big Insurance won't lose. They'll land softly with their golden
parachutes, we'll have to buy insurance from the Government, and
the Government will raise our taxes to run it. They should change
the preamble from "We the people" to "We the taxpayers". That's
all the Government thinks we're good for - giving them our money.
Patriot| 3.15.10 @ 11:38PM
I agree. The combination of Big Business and Big Government is
the real threat to our freedom.
Rebecca| 3.15.10 @ 2:30AM
@Merideth...just a bit of financial advice....I wouldn't put my
money in an industry that only produces a 2-3% profit...thought
I'd help in these tough times with millions unemployed and a prez
with his head stuck up his ass!!!
aposematic| 3.15.10 @ 5:17AM
Wait just a minute......whew, ok...for a minute there, I thought
I woke up in Russia!
JP| 3.15.10 @ 7:57AM
I think it is wise to understand that the real game is going on
behind closed doors. The WH and Pelosi will attempt this week to
overwhelm the MSM with stories about how busy the House is in
drafting reconcillation protocols, statements, and legislative
language. But in reality, this week will really be a week of
behind the scenes arm twisting, threats, deals, and black mail.
Pelosi probably needs to get between 8-12 votes to pass
ObamaCare. If she had the votes last weekend (like many
believed), ObamaCare would have already passed.
And once it is signed by the President, reconcilliation will be
over. Getting to 216 House Votes is the real reconcilliation.
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:13PM
Amen. If anyone believes that Obama and his crew will put any
real concessions into the bill, if it gets the votes in the
House, come and see me. I have bridges and swampland for sale.
RD| 3.15.10 @ 8:16AM
Everyone is missing what this really is. It is a payback for GE,
SEIU. Look who is going to profit from his bill? And, look who
gave Obama the most money for his election. It turns out to be a
health care entitlement for the inner cities...bottem line!
Steve| 3.15.10 @ 9:48AM
article 5 constitutional convention needs to happen or states
might start seceding from the union. the fed gov't can't work w/o
the states
BRH| 3.15.10 @ 10:10AM
The fact is that as a country it is totaly irresponsible for our
government to create this , so called, health care bill with the
trillions of national debt that we have and is increasing at an
alarming rate. Uncle Sam is not Atlas.There is only so much
spending that we can do. Don't the lessons of Rome, Weimar
Republic and Zimbabwe mean anything?Those politiians, whom have
supported this nonsense should be voted out of office. President
Obama noted that if we didn't like what was being done, there was
the ballot box. TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY. What has gone on has been a
major distraction from the business that our government should
have been doing. The getting our real economy back to going. We
need jobs that produce and manufacture and I do not mean make
arrogant fat cats fatter on Walstreet. As for public works, Where
has a Hoover Dam been built? There have been no evacuation routes
from the coastal to inland areas built. What has been done to
improve our rail systems, electrical grid or energy development
and Etc. NOTHING!!! Energy development is being strangled by our
laws. There is a high tax on imported ethanol. The development of
our oil and natural gas is being suppressed.I am NOT a happy
camper.
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:21PM
You're not alone BRH, many of us feel the same. The election is
in 8 months. Remember which ones vote for health care.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:27AM
Big Government is nobody's friend.
Hence the sign springing up all over the country:
picture of George W with the phrase:
DO YOU MISS ME YET?
Just got an envelope from CCRKBA full of the following bumper
snicker:
I'LL KEEP MY GUNS, FREEDOM, & MONEY...
YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE!
This went over my: NOBAMA McCain and Palin '08.
That was a real screw up... oh, not Palin, McCain!
Now all the freedom loving Citizens of the USA see the problem
with this administration:
Totalitarian Socialism is in the White House...
This is not A Republican or Democrat issue. Its an American issue
and Americans have said we do not want Government involved. No
where in the constitution does it say government has the right to
nationalize healthcare. The majority rules in this country so
remember when your stinking thinking politician runs for office
to vote them out. You can find the answer at Goooh.Com.
Why doesn't the Rep. ask the Supreme Court for a Judicial Review.
It would seem to me, this is just the type of games which the
founding father placed checks and balances. This is I assume the
ping pong game.
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Annie Spengler| 3.15.10 @ 11:55PM
Save trillions. Sent the legislators home for 4 years.
kathiedid| 3.16.10 @ 10:52PM
obama & peslio & reid just want things their way &
don't care about the rest of US HARD WORKING AMERICAN want it is
what THEY WANT & THE HECK with the working people want it
what they want & put america in a DEEPER HOLE, STOP &
THINK FOR ONCE IN YOU LIFE
3/08/2010 PART 1;
There is a unity lost between Governing Parties that is needed to
help the people feel secure. The moral building block for Health
Care.
To see the true Health Care Tax forum you must stop thinking in
3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar
system.. ...
To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care
Insurance Groups.
This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum
against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay
into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still
troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It
covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system
to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and
the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be
felt.
But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and
they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of
Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and
within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as
who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the
intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek,
so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just
as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest
in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government
Officials must understand that there is a level of people within
different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they
find to make them happy.
As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms
Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last
creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This
would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has
passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way
to today.
As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail,
one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see
into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a
penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is
more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment
World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health
Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to
implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and
Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is
that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the
Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our
Government Officials they have failed, their system failure
reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if
the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to
9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform.
This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care
Forum.
The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have
no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does
not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties,
that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he
will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to
regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out
in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in
trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to
them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no
money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I
would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”
As for this $100,trillion dollar in site.............
Results 1 - 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine
development industry
Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition
reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax
factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a
capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a
yearly system income, not profit.....
Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or
something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I
state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby
show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you
for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from
the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin
Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
So drop on by and see page 100 at our site and follow the blue
pill link
Health Care within a moral value, is to ,
{ GIVE LIFE TO HOPE WHERE THERE IS NONE }
Henry Massingale
FASC Concepts in and for Pay It Forward www.fascmovement.mysite.com on google. yahoo, and Aol.com
please take the time and visit all my new friends on the net and
if you wish to post with FASC Concepts you will be most welcomed.
So join us and share your ideas as one in one voice.
3/21/2010 PART 2 ;
As you can see our elected officials are paying little attention
to the public. As I reach out to my computer and I knock , knock,
knock on the screen, and I say is there any body out there?
This Health Care issue keeps taking turns and twist that bewilder
the mind in thoughts. This $100 trillion dollar system ,as it
would seem, I am counting up to $ 8 trillion 682 billion Dollars
so far. On guy emailed me and he is up to $27 Trillion
dollars.
You see when Harry Reid added a extra ....almost, $2 Trillion
dollars in a tax forum, this through my numbers off with the 1 to
3 year spread of taxes.
Lets show you this way seeing how I run out of fingers to count
on and I do not feel like taking my shoes off.....
to get a $4 Trillion dollar tax spread, it is based at a 0.25% up
to 4 years.
To be able to see the amount taxed in one year as a whole at 50%
is around $8.2 Trillion to $8.8 Trillion, please remember
according to Government Officials this is to be a spread tax, 3
to 10 years.. There is over 10 thousand companies I have not even
got to yet.
President Obama has stated that he is against taxing the Health
Care Industry...the link and story is next...
1.Politico Live: Romer: Obama is against taxing health care
...
Mar 15, 2009 ... Posted By: Obama Will Tax Healthcare | March 15,
2009 at 12:23 PM ..... Just think of the most evil high school
teacher you ever had, ...
{Members of Arizonans Against the Hidden Health Care Tax} As for
theses hidden taxes, they are not hidden. They are built into a
split petition. They are meant not to be seen, only revealed as
the Progressive Capital Tax Forum works the system in order to
not over burden the money system. What is lost is trust because
Government Officials by considering the public slow witted and as
for this Bill, I want to read the Law that is to represent the
Bill. This is because one word has a directive and a code and a
sentence can lead to a different truth in concept.
Health care bill's hidden tax on pain relievers, Pedialyte, and
...
Dec 22, 2009 ... And ironically, this tax that will raise health
care costs substantially ... While an over-the-counter drug is
less expensive than the prescription ... chronic health problems
by regularly taking an over-the-counter medicine. ... Ironically,
the liberals and Democrats who normally rail against big
...
openmarket.org/.../health-care-bills-hidden-tax-on-pain-relievers-pedialyte-and-prenatal-
I ask you again to type in fascmovement.mysite.com in to to web
search,{Results 1 - 10 of about 6,730 for fascmovement.mysite.com
and you will see over 6000 post from aol, google and yahoo, by
our friends and supporters plus ,page 19. pay it forward covers
the web ,Please visit us on google.com and search for
fascmovement.mysite.com. All we ask is that you PAY IT FORWARD.
Henry Massingale . Threr is over 10,000 post that are active from
over 6 months ago..
fascmovement.mysite.com/blank_16.html - Cached
Our goal is to start a trickle effect and the goal is President
Obama and this Bill to Law. To merge 250 million veiws for a
honest Health Care reform. The trickle effect is , Email
President Barack Obama
Mar 20, 2009 ... How to contact President Barack Obama and other
White House Officials. www.emailthepresident.com/ - Cached – Similar
When many different views are emailed but not united in a course
of action, government Officials do not pay attention. Within the
our web site is the views of around 173 million people.
Interfaced with the net. This was not a easy task, over 6 months
work. Its like this, when I wrote The "International Boycott Of
The Arabic Drug Empire" Some say that a boycott is a waist of
time and never achieves its goal..... Really, When words written
hold truth the people will sit back and their mind will open.
Just read and see, truth of words....
As for this economy and the jobs needed, I offer 3 job concepts
that will build cities and a strategic placement of Mini
Factories where they will support the needs of that town or city.
The Adam Walsh School Communities, 52 Communities/ Schools, in
each State, to get theses children off of the street before they
become tomorrows criminals. The Great Wall Of China to our west,
to close off our back door before the enemy walks across the
border with that bomb they bought for the price of a
Refrigerator. At the same time this Wall will bring life to that
region on both sides of the boarder. David Krieger: Nuclear
Terrorism and US Nuclear Policy
February 13, 2002. Sen. Russ Feingold War Powers and the War on
Terror ... Aisha Ikramuddin on the Hidden Hype of US Food Bombs
... Most Robust Heroin Market and Helped to Finance the Rise of
the Taliban and Osama bin Laden ... Since the likelihood of a
terrorist using a missile to launch a nuclear attack against
...
counterpunch.org/kriegernukepolicy.html - Cached
There has been so much of this God vs. the evil Health Care Plan
that I wanted to see if people would allow me to be Gods
Arbitrary, to Represent Him, and his views. Oh Im sorry, who am I
to speak in behalf of God. I am a Hinzes 57 mix, Jethro Bodine
from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and
Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black with my mentality.
So what is your vote :
Everywhere I turn people Bible thump in the name of God over this
Health Care issue. So lets do this....
In United States
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
1 First Street, N.E., Washington, D.C. 20543.
As acting arbitrary: I will write His words as best I can.
Plaintiff ,God: vs. Defendants Republican and Democrat Party
On this day of March 17, 2010, God has filed the following
complaint that
#1; That 2020 years ago my Son stated that to let Cesurer have
that which is his.
#2; The leaders of this Country have lost their way and this
economy that is spoken of to me in prayers is of concern to all.
It is of a moral offense for Cesurer to tax that which is not
his.
#3. You have placed my name on your money as In God We trust and
as of this tax for the Name of Money my Name is lost.
#4.Cesurer must sit down with these people as a one, it is said
they who ready to fight in court, that which you wish to tax and
work on a forum that is in the creative life of what this Health
Care Is For. Become as one again with the People.
#5 The People of this Country will step forward to help and all
you have to do is believe in Me and ask theses people for
help.....
#6; You have created Laws against me within the lives of children
and I do not harbor ill well, the lost vision of what this
Country was built on in My Name is broken because of the lost
connection between what Governing Officials use to be and the
people once stood for.....
#7; Unite this Bill with the Freedom Of Choice to be or not
within, rebuild the life of this land of yours, These people will
come forward. and help put a balance back into that which is
lost....
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Marissa| 4.21.10 @ 10:01AM
"If this bill were something Americans actually wanted, do you
think they’d have to go through such contortions to get it
passed? Update: Phil Klein explains more about what’s going on:
under the reconciliation rules in last year’s budget, any
reconciliation bill would… " - i think they need it.. thesis
ella| 4.26.10 @ 12:54PM
Pelosi just let these vote no as CYA. Never trust a Democrat,
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Kiska| 5.2.10 @ 3:56AM
but don’t let that fool you, it’s not the actual reconciliation
bill with all the changes you’ve been …
Both businesses and the individual will see very large premium
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high, and will just stop offering health insurance to its
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Whoa! Although they won on the previous election still no one
elected them to dismantle our democracy. We should fight for our
rights. Thanks for the posting. I really appreciated reading it.
Keep it up.
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saying but with all the theatrics this stuff just gets crazier and
crazier.
Washington politics these days is obfuscatory; they spend their
time trying to figure out new ways of getting around the
constitution and the will of the founders.
Washington politics these days is obfuscatory; they spend their
time trying to figure out new ways of getting around the
constitution and the will of the founders.
The Real Game| 9.25.10 @ 7:45AM
The Players and whats up for grabs. Profits United Health Group
2010 $4.293 billion
Here are some other 2010 budget numbers: Wonder what it cost CMS (
Can't Manage Shit) to operate each year. $453 billion Medicare///
$290 billion Medicaid ///$78.7 billion Department of Health and
Human Services/// UnitedHealth Group Awarded TRICARE Managed Care
Support Contract ... Jul 13, 2009 ... UnitedHealth Group Awarded
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AmeriChoice's revenue rose 34% last year, to $6 billion.
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reward for their violations well what happens? they are awarded
more contracts and more money and maybe even an ambassadorship here
and there and if anybody should question what the heck is going on,
then send them a Elmo doll. (Americhoice sponsors Sesame Street) Up
side, Billions to be made, down side pay some fines (cost of doing
business) move on and nobody goes to jail or gets excluded from the
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Full Name: Wayne Berman Title: Vice-Chair; Finance Co-Chair;
Adviser
Over the course of three years, Berman’s lobbying firm was paid
$660,000 to lobby on behalf of UnitedHealth subsidiary Americhoice,
a managed care HMO providing health insurance to Medicaid,
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managed-care industry and other providers at the expense of
low-income Medicaid beneficiaries.” [Inside CMS, 12/29/05; Los
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advantages,
further that any change has its advantages and that all change is
for good.
Obviously discussions will come from Republicans and Democrats,
must
accept for that is democracy.
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joyson| 1.16.11 @ 4:34PM
Are You To Dupe? Published by AJStrata at 6:54 am under All
General Discussions, Obamacare Liberals in DC are now banking that
they are smarter than everyone else in the country, with their
latest fictional show and political shell game: Shortly before
midnight on Sunday, Democrats released a 2,309 page health care
bill that will start the process of reconciliation — but don’t let
that fool you,…
Thanks for writing this Philip. This really does go beyond
health care and highlights how the federal gov't is broken, in more
ways than one. It makes me wonder why people want to get into
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marrysen| 9.7.11 @ 2:55PM
hi,
thanks for sharing useful stuff. I will revisit here to reply
again.
i think if they get it passed anyway we must create a list of
those who voted for it and vote them out of office. They must learn
to listen. then, after the elections in 2010, start a repeal
process.
The whole plan the Dem lawmakers have about our Country will dig
us deeper in the whole.
The health remedies
solutions scam reform they are proposing will never work, look
at all of the ex-Socialist countries!!!
BTW all: go to Heritage Foundation website and have them mail
you a pocket Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Before
this administration cancels all printing and starts subsidizing and
taking over all the news outlets. That is what Totalitarian
Socialists do first isn't it?
and mirrors. As noted in a Caffeinated Thoughts post earlier
this week, Philip Klein at the American Spectator has added another
name to the mix very appropriately dubbing the reconciliation
process a shell game. An excellent analogy – the shell game most
accurately portrays the crafty manner in which Congress has pieced
together health care legislation, as well as the lengths it is
willing to go to, to…
Deb| 3.15.10 @ 12:27AM
This is crazy. How can they legally do this?
SoCon| 3.15.10 @ 2:08AM
Legally--they can't. We have to stop this Leftist power grab one way or another.
OneCitizenOfTheRepublic| 3.15.10 @ 5:47PM
How can anyone ask the question, about this being legal. Read the constitution...there is NO place where this is permitted...but this is not the first time...this is just the most recent, and most flagrant time where the traitors in Washington D.C. have violated the oath of office and ignored the will of the people.
Ron DuBois| 3.15.10 @ 10:41PM
I have done all I could to stop them, but if they get it passed anyway we must create a list of those who voted for it and vote them out of office. They must learn to listen. then, after the elections in 2010, start a repeal process.
Marc| 3.16.10 @ 1:46PM
It is time to vote out ALL incumbents to send the message loud and clear who is in charge. ALL incumbents. The argument against this seems to be that we would be voting out the good with the bad????
Okay, let me rephrase then. It is time to vote out only the "bad" politicians who aren't listening. By all means - keep the good ones.
Laurie L| 3.15.10 @ 5:55PM
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Has all we need to really reform health care by taking it back from the government.
A COUP of our government is underway, just contacting pols is not enough. We need REAL reform.
SoCon| 3.15.10 @ 11:33PM
Excellent post, Laurie--you're spot on.
Wczasy i wakacje| 4.15.11 @ 12:07PM
Philip also have a good post :)
Neal| 3.18.10 @ 12:22PM
Stop drawing more lines!! Left ,right, it's all the same, this is downright unconstitutional!! bottom line. If it is isn't a wacko fiscally irresponsible bill from the left, it's money hungry oil fiends from the right. Bi-partisanship is dead, and bankers now run this sham that was once America!!
Mr Airsoft| 11.9.10 @ 6:30PM
Well said, SoCon, as of today we see where all this mess leads to and we have to stop it. Not tomorrow, yesterday!
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:46AM
these dems are trying to fool us into thinking that they won the last election . just because people voted them majorities in the congress and elected that black man president shouldn't mean that they get to pass laws and run the country.what is this ?I am sick of this democracy stuff .
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:00AM
Winning the elections doesn't give them the right to ram through legislation that a majority of Americans, and a majority of Congress, opposes. No one elected them to dismantle our democracy.
And, it appears, no one will re-elect them either, given they have revealed themselves as power-hungry statists.
Adam H| 3.15.10 @ 3:04PM
well...it DOES give them the "right" to do that. I also do not in theory disagree with legislation that is opposed by the majority. I do, however think this is the first (ok, not the first, but a HUGE) step in destroying our country by turning it into a welfare state resembling Europe. People think that Europe is a great place, but there is simply very little technology and research being conducted there, they have ridden American ingenuity for well over half a century. WHat happens when we become like them?
Smitty| 3.15.10 @ 11:35PM
Winning an election DOES NOT give politicians the right to ignore the will of the people.
Democrats must be punished.
Don Schulze| 3.15.10 @ 8:18AM
Your writing and grammatical skills bear witness to your overall ignorance. Get your GED, take a civics class (I know, 'what's that?'), then come back and let's talk.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:31AM
Don: do they actually teach civics anymore?
BTW all: go to Heritage Foundation website and have them mail you a pocket Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Before this administration cancels all printing and starts subsidizing and taking over all the news outlets. That is what Totalitarian Socialists do first isn't it?
Allan| 3.15.10 @ 2:56PM
No, they don't. Civics was dropped years ago. After all, the biggest danger to the Progressive cause is a well-informed and well-educated electorate.
MFL| 3.16.10 @ 11:24AM
Don, it is obvious that you don't have enough good sense to come in out of the rain either
Nobama| 3.16.10 @ 2:14PM
How do you figure, MoFoLiberal?
Smith| 4.12.10 @ 9:26AM
Doesn't "without any substantive revision" mean that they can't add or subtract a public option?cookware
gerry| 3.15.10 @ 2:37PM
God, love your comment. This democracy stuff needs to be repealed and we should just stick with the constitution.
Missy| 3.15.10 @ 4:25PM
Democracy? 60+% of Americans REJECT ObamaCare--not very democratic of Obama to ignore the MAJORITY, is it?
Beachbum| 3.15.10 @ 9:48PM
Good question as if you think about it, Obama didn't have a problem "not" ignoring the fact that he received 53% of the votes in 2008 and proclamed he received a "mandate" because of the percentage of votes. But as you said, the "one" now ignores 52% who say "do not" pass this health care bill. Of course, this is not a "mandate" of the people since it does not fit with his plans.
Sarabeth McCloy| 3.16.10 @ 12:35PM
Too whom it may concern. Please vote no for the Government health bill. I'm a Senior,and so is my husband.We don't need a government run health care System.
jozsmith| 3.11.11 @ 12:48AM
Before this administration cancels all printing and starts subsidizing and taking over all the news outlets.
ginny| 3.15.10 @ 4:04PM
I don't think they can, but are there any Republicans up there finding how to block this on LEGAL grounds?
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jeannette| 11.18.11 @ 11:49PM
Good evening,
My laser concern is Health Care- as a result of the recession a large number of people lost their jobs and now are living through the dust of the economy. I've worked at a hospital who serves the needs of patients with neurological disorders , most of them have no healthcare insurance...(
Nicolas Cage| 1.20.12 @ 5:59AM
That's why, for instance, if you look through the 2,309 page bill that was released Sunday night, you'll find a public option, which leadership has indicated would not actually be in the final bill. (Interestingly, the student loan bill is also tacked on at the end.)
JackMick| 3.15.10 @ 12:32AM
The constitutional lawyers are on it.....Mark Levin was flaming last nite on his radio program!!!
Mary| 3.15.10 @ 3:22AM
You bet he is! I heard Mark too, and you can bet that teams of constitutional attorneys across this country have suits ready to file to prevent this boondoggle from being inflicted on the American people!
Andrew| 3.15.10 @ 12:32AM
Now wait a minute. The reconciliation rules in last year's budget (i.e. S. Con. Res 13) say:
In the House, not later than October 15, 2009, the House committees named in subsections (a) and (b) shall submit their recommendations to the House Committee on the Budget. Upon receiving all such recommendations, the House Committee on the Budget shall report to the House a reconciliation bill carrying out all such changes without any substantive revision.
Doesn't "without any substantive revision" mean that they can't add or subtract a public option?
onitsukatiger| 8.20.11 @ 3:19AM
You bet he is!
MERIDETH| 3.15.10 @ 1:17AM
It does not matter what the GOP says or does - they already made the deal with Big Insurance & Big Pharma. The legislators from both Parties are in bed with these two Giant industries and We The People are the pawns whose emotions are up for grabs. We are being manipulated to think that they actually care for us!! they don't. All they care about is the next election and the next one after that. They are a bunch of cross-dressing lowlifes with power!!
I suppose that's what politics is all about "Perception".
Gosh, I wish I owned an insurance company.
Missy| 3.15.10 @ 1:51AM
Big Pharma and Big Insurance ARE NOT our enemies--BIG GOVERNMENT IS!!!
Liberal Moron.
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:40AM
that's right , big pharma and big insurance are our friends. they only want what's best for us . these democrats just want to give medical care to a bunch of nonproducing poor people who do little to help the earnings of our companies and thus serve no useful purpose .
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:02AM
Yes, so lets dismantle our democratic system, destroy free enterprise, and destroy personal liberty and private property rights, so we can insure a few layabouts and scofflaws, even if 75% of Americans oppose it.
Neal| 3.18.10 @ 1:02PM
Missy:
Big Pharma and big insurance comapnies along with the oil comanpies are the ones founding every major election. Open your eyes!! how can you say that these compainies are not the enemy when they're the ones writting the legislation through our "elected" puppets. Compitition drives prices down(that's why we have monopoly laws), this bill will limit the amount of companies who can provide health care insurance. That will skyrocket the prices. If you think it's difficult to get health care now, just wait until this bill is passed.
Mary| 3.15.10 @ 3:26AM
You're right! And these losers are going to get a rude awakening in Nov when we go to the polls and vote them all out!! That is, if the elections haven't been suspended! Better wake up, folks!
gid| 3.15.10 @ 7:36AM
oh wait , weren't we happy when the supreme court appointed george w bush president and made florida stop counting voters votes ?
wukong| 3.15.10 @ 8:03AM
Florida did not stop counting voters as Bay County where I live was not a party to the hanging chad nonsense and ouiji board antics that were employed in certain selective voting districts.
You nitwits need to get over the fact that if you are going to "manufacture" votes, you need to look at ALL votes.
JohnD| 3.15.10 @ 8:04AM
You mean made them stop "selectively" re-counting votes in only Democratic districts, and made them stop violating the Constitutional equal protection rights of people in non-Democratic districts.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:39AM
When are all of the LibNuts out there going to stop blaming everything, even what BHO does?!?
Look at recent history: Al Frankin. This piece of history is just what Democrats, true to their mascot, do all of the time. Look at Chicago, and other places, where hundreds of thousands of people stay on the rolls even after they are dead. In some counties and precincts in the Al Frankin fiasco there were multiple thousands of people MORE than actually lived there. Hmm... now is that fair? Well, if the Dems do it, this is considered righteous.
Cheaters never win and winners never cheat... well except in politics.
BHO has now made history.
The worst president since way before Jimmy Carter! The worst deficit in all US history. AND remember health care reform does NOT mean that right after the bill is signed it will begin! No, we MAY have to wait 5 years. Know why nobody can read the bill: there is NO bill.
Ron DuBois| 3.15.10 @ 10:56PM
Did you understand what that twit Pelosi said? She said you have to pass the health care bill - so we can find out what's in it. Unbelievable.
Allan| 3.15.10 @ 3:20PM
gid - It was Al Gore trying to steal the election. Remember, he had lawyers on the ground before the alleged controversy erupted. Before ...
And of course the news media did a full recount about a year after the election and Bush's win was in fact legitimate - even the NY times had to admit that, and they did.
Janie| 3.15.10 @ 4:26PM
2000 was the Democrat's first attempt to use ACORN to steal an election. GWB just out-smarted them.
JP| 3.15.10 @ 8:03AM
Meredith,
The Health Insurance industry currently enjoys 8% profits. Not bad, but not that great either. When ObamaCare passes, the "cost curve" will get bent. The really big health insurance firms like Blue Cross and United will get more customers (that is the payoff you alluded to). But, all normal underwriting processes will get skewed as the federal government will begin its huge regulatory process. Both businesses and the individual will see very large premium increases. But many businesses will still find the costs too high, and will just stop offering health insurance to its employees (it will be much more affordable to pay the fines). At that point, people will have to go on Medicare (it will be illegal not to). Big Insurance will in the long run lose.
Gene| 3.15.10 @ 12:32PM
And where does the constitution fit into that?
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:05PM
Big Insurance won't lose. They'll land softly with their golden parachutes, we'll have to buy insurance from the Government, and the Government will raise our taxes to run it. They should change the preamble from "We the people" to "We the taxpayers". That's all the Government thinks we're good for - giving them our money.
Patriot| 3.15.10 @ 11:38PM
I agree. The combination of Big Business and Big Government is the real threat to our freedom.
Rebecca| 3.15.10 @ 2:30AM
@Merideth...just a bit of financial advice....I wouldn't put my money in an industry that only produces a 2-3% profit...thought I'd help in these tough times with millions unemployed and a prez with his head stuck up his ass!!!
aposematic| 3.15.10 @ 5:17AM
Wait just a minute......whew, ok...for a minute there, I thought I woke up in Russia!
JP| 3.15.10 @ 7:57AM
I think it is wise to understand that the real game is going on behind closed doors. The WH and Pelosi will attempt this week to overwhelm the MSM with stories about how busy the House is in drafting reconcillation protocols, statements, and legislative language. But in reality, this week will really be a week of behind the scenes arm twisting, threats, deals, and black mail. Pelosi probably needs to get between 8-12 votes to pass ObamaCare. If she had the votes last weekend (like many believed), ObamaCare would have already passed.
And once it is signed by the President, reconcilliation will be over. Getting to 216 House Votes is the real reconcilliation.
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:13PM
Amen. If anyone believes that Obama and his crew will put any real concessions into the bill, if it gets the votes in the House, come and see me. I have bridges and swampland for sale.
RD| 3.15.10 @ 8:16AM
Everyone is missing what this really is. It is a payback for GE, SEIU. Look who is going to profit from his bill? And, look who gave Obama the most money for his election. It turns out to be a health care entitlement for the inner cities...bottem line!
Steve| 3.15.10 @ 9:48AM
article 5 constitutional convention needs to happen or states might start seceding from the union. the fed gov't can't work w/o the states
BRH| 3.15.10 @ 10:10AM
The fact is that as a country it is totaly irresponsible for our government to create this , so called, health care bill with the trillions of national debt that we have and is increasing at an alarming rate. Uncle Sam is not Atlas.There is only so much spending that we can do. Don't the lessons of Rome, Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe mean anything?Those politiians, whom have supported this nonsense should be voted out of office. President Obama noted that if we didn't like what was being done, there was the ballot box. TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY. What has gone on has been a major distraction from the business that our government should have been doing. The getting our real economy back to going. We need jobs that produce and manufacture and I do not mean make arrogant fat cats fatter on Walstreet. As for public works, Where has a Hoover Dam been built? There have been no evacuation routes from the coastal to inland areas built. What has been done to improve our rail systems, electrical grid or energy development and Etc. NOTHING!!! Energy development is being strangled by our laws. There is a high tax on imported ethanol. The development of our oil and natural gas is being suppressed.I am NOT a happy camper.
Teabag| 3.15.10 @ 11:21PM
You're not alone BRH, many of us feel the same. The election is in 8 months. Remember which ones vote for health care.
wbfrank9| 3.15.10 @ 10:27AM
Big Government is nobody's friend.
Hence the sign springing up all over the country:
picture of George W with the phrase:
DO YOU MISS ME YET?
Just got an envelope from CCRKBA full of the following bumper snicker:
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YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE!
This went over my: NOBAMA McCain and Palin '08.
That was a real screw up... oh, not Palin, McCain!
Now all the freedom loving Citizens of the USA see the problem with this administration:
Totalitarian Socialism is in the White House...
mac cosmetic| 8.20.11 @ 3:23AM
aha,i think so
Tim| 3.15.10 @ 12:17PM
Ramming Speed!
mt| 3.15.10 @ 1:54PM
The jail house rock film, how a bill becomes a law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
will need an update.
Nexialist| 3.15.10 @ 5:57PM
How can Congress expect the American voter to trust them when the Democrats in the House and Senate don't trust each other?
Jim| 3.15.10 @ 6:55PM
This is not A Republican or Democrat issue. Its an American issue and Americans have said we do not want Government involved. No where in the constitution does it say government has the right to nationalize healthcare. The majority rules in this country so remember when your stinking thinking politician runs for office to vote them out. You can find the answer at Goooh.Com.
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Ted| 3.15.10 @ 7:56PM
Why doesn't the Rep. ask the Supreme Court for a Judicial Review. It would seem to me, this is just the type of games which the founding father placed checks and balances. This is I assume the ping pong game.
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3/08/2010 PART 1;
There is a unity lost between Governing Parties that is needed to help the people feel secure. The moral building block for Health Care.
To see the true Health Care Tax forum you must stop thinking in 3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar system.. ...
To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care Insurance Groups.
This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be felt.
But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek, so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government Officials must understand that there is a level of people within different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they find to make them happy.
As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way to today.
As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail, one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our Government Officials they have failed, their system failure reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform. This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care Forum.
The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties, that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”
As for this $100,trillion dollar in site.............
Results 1 - 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine development industry
Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a yearly system income, not profit.....
Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
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Henry Massingale| 3.21.10 @ 3:37PM
3/21/2010 PART 2 ;
As you can see our elected officials are paying little attention to the public. As I reach out to my computer and I knock , knock, knock on the screen, and I say is there any body out there?
This Health Care issue keeps taking turns and twist that bewilder the mind in thoughts. This $100 trillion dollar system ,as it would seem, I am counting up to $ 8 trillion 682 billion Dollars so far. On guy emailed me and he is up to $27 Trillion dollars.
You see when Harry Reid added a extra ....almost, $2 Trillion dollars in a tax forum, this through my numbers off with the 1 to 3 year spread of taxes.
Lets show you this way seeing how I run out of fingers to count on and I do not feel like taking my shoes off.....
to get a $4 Trillion dollar tax spread, it is based at a 0.25% up to 4 years.
To be able to see the amount taxed in one year as a whole at 50% is around $8.2 Trillion to $8.8 Trillion, please remember according to Government Officials this is to be a spread tax, 3 to 10 years.. There is over 10 thousand companies I have not even got to yet.
President Obama has stated that he is against taxing the Health Care Industry...the link and story is next...
1.Politico Live: Romer: Obama is against taxing health care ...
Mar 15, 2009 ... Posted By: Obama Will Tax Healthcare | March 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM ..... Just think of the most evil high school teacher you ever had, ...
{Members of Arizonans Against the Hidden Health Care Tax} As for theses hidden taxes, they are not hidden. They are built into a split petition. They are meant not to be seen, only revealed as the Progressive Capital Tax Forum works the system in order to not over burden the money system. What is lost is trust because Government Officials by considering the public slow witted and as for this Bill, I want to read the Law that is to represent the Bill. This is because one word has a directive and a code and a sentence can lead to a different truth in concept.
Health care bill's hidden tax on pain relievers, Pedialyte, and ...
Dec 22, 2009 ... And ironically, this tax that will raise health care costs substantially ... While an over-the-counter drug is less expensive than the prescription ... chronic health problems by regularly taking an over-the-counter medicine. ... Ironically, the liberals and Democrats who normally rail against big ...
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Our goal is to start a trickle effect and the goal is President Obama and this Bill to Law. To merge 250 million veiws for a honest Health Care reform. The trickle effect is , Email President Barack Obama
Mar 20, 2009 ... How to contact President Barack Obama and other White House Officials.
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When many different views are emailed but not united in a course of action, government Officials do not pay attention. Within the our web site is the views of around 173 million people. Interfaced with the net. This was not a easy task, over 6 months work. Its like this, when I wrote The "International Boycott Of The Arabic Drug Empire" Some say that a boycott is a waist of time and never achieves its goal..... Really, When words written hold truth the people will sit back and their mind will open. Just read and see, truth of words....
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There has been so much of this God vs. the evil Health Care Plan that I wanted to see if people would allow me to be Gods Arbitrary, to Represent Him, and his views. Oh Im sorry, who am I to speak in behalf of God. I am a Hinzes 57 mix, Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black with my mentality.
So what is your vote :
Everywhere I turn people Bible thump in the name of God over this Health Care issue. So lets do this....
In United States
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
1 First Street, N.E., Washington, D.C. 20543.
As acting arbitrary: I will write His words as best I can.
Plaintiff ,God: vs. Defendants Republican and Democrat Party
On this day of March 17, 2010, God has filed the following complaint that
#1; That 2020 years ago my Son stated that to let Cesurer have that which is his.
#2; The leaders of this Country have lost their way and this economy that is spoken of to me in prayers is of concern to all. It is of a moral offense for Cesurer to tax that which is not his.
#3. You have placed my name on your money as In God We trust and as of this tax for the Name of Money my Name is lost.
#4.Cesurer must sit down with these people as a one, it is said they who ready to fight in court, that which you wish to tax and work on a forum that is in the creative life of what this Health Care Is For. Become as one again with the People.
#5 The People of this Country will step forward to help and all you have to do is believe in Me and ask theses people for help.....
#6; You have created Laws against me within the lives of children and I do not harbor ill well, the lost vision of what this Country was built on in My Name is broken because of the lost connection between what Governing Officials use to be and the people once stood for.....
#7; Unite this Bill with the Freedom Of Choice to be or not within, rebuild the life of this land of yours, These people will come forward. and help put a balance back into that which is lost....
Health Care within a moral value, is to ,
{ GIVE LIFE TO HOPE WHERE THERE IS NONE }
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Full Name: Wayne Berman Title: Vice-Chair; Finance Co-Chair; Adviser
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