It's early, but Mitt Romney still seems intent on repeating his
mistaken 2008 handling of the abortion issue. Here he was today
on "Imus in the Morning":
DON IMUS: Talking with Mitt Romney here on the
"Imus in the Morning" program. This book is called No Apology
in the Case for America's Greatness. Now, when you changed your
mind abortion and went from pro choice, I guess, to pro-life,
what -- walk me through the, what caused that.
MITT ROMNEY: Well, you know, I never really
called myself pro-choice, but I did say when I was running for
governor that I would keep the law as it was.
There are lots of examples of Romney calling himself either
"pro-choice" or "effectively pro-choice," but the simplest
example came from his exchange with Sen. Sam Brownback at the
2007 GOP Iowa straw poll debate.
ROMNEY: Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life.
You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I
never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively
pro-choice. I changed my position. And I get tired of people
that are holier-than-thou because they've been pro-life longer
than I have.
My most complete treatment of Romney's abortion zig-zagging
appeared in this
review of Hugh Hewitt's book. But Romney's problem has never
really been that he changed his mind. It has been the fact that
he can't resist insulting people's intelligence about his past
record when discussing his current position. This is a perfect
political climate for Romney to downplay abortion and run as an
economic problem-solver. But if he continues to pretend he was
never pro-choice or play word games about his previous stance,
abortion will plague his candidacy again in 2012.
Romney says he isn't a candidate and won't make up his mind until
the November elections...yet he releases a book, gives policy
speeches and has multiple television appearances. He even had a
hair tussle with Sky Blu. This man is so disingenuous and as for
abortion, looks more at his deeds rather than his words. Here we
go again. RomneyCare provides abortion on demand. Romney and his
wife attended Planned Parenthood meetings and his wife made a
donation. Romney invested in and profited fron embryonic stem
cell research. Romney nominated a "Democrat" pro-abortion judge.
Just scratching the surface Romney's pro-abortion legacy goes on
and on and on.
Art Rahn| 3.10.10 @ 5:16PM
Very misleading comment - The abortion provision in the Mass.
Health Insurance Plan was mandated by the courts, not bu Romney
nor the legislature. As far as the judge was concerned, he was a
favorite of the Democratic legislature who had the votes to
overcome any Romey nomination. How do you know what stocks Romney
invested in and what profits he made. This sounds like
electioneeriong BS to me!!
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:00PM
He still could have refused to sign the bill.
Then if the Legislature overrode him, we would not be having this
conversation.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:12PM
If Romney will lie about his abortion stance he will lie about
anything.
I do not trust him.
Art Rahn| 3.10.10 @ 7:54PM
The purpose of the law was to insure that the residents of Mass
were covered by health insurance , a plan which Romney and the
Legislature had worked on for over a year. The provision for
abortion was established in 1981.
In 1981, The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Ruled That The
State Constitution Required Payment For Abortion Services For
Medicaid-Eligible Women.
(Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)
- According To The Decision, When A State Subsidizes Medical
Care, It Cannot Infringe On "The Exercise Of A Fundamental Right"
Which The Court Interpreted As Access To Medically Necessary
Abortion Services.
(Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)
- In 1997, The Supreme Judicial Court Reaffirmed Its Position
That A State-Subsidized Plan Must Offer "Medically Necessary
Abortions."
(Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, Inc. v. Attorney
General, 1997). So what choice did he have? - Abandon the
insurance plan for which everyone had worked so harf for?
Jeremiah| 3.10.10 @ 9:43PM
In a word--YES.
Obviously, Mitt was pro-abortion then, so why suddenly change
now? Hmmm?
Art Rahn| 3.11.10 @ 7:59PM
Obvious;y?? The court forces a position upon you and that means
you are in favor of it??
victor| 3.10.10 @ 9:57PM
Art,
He could have refused to sign the bill. A governor is not
compelled to sign anything.
Jacob| 3.10.10 @ 12:01PM
"effectively" pro-choice. Mitt said he was 'effectively'
pro-choice, but saying one is 'effectively' means you are not
really pro-choice, because one is not saying one is pro-choice by
putting 'effectively' in front of the word pro-choice -- doesn't
mean one is pro-choice, or one isn't pro-choice. What it really
means is one is 'effectively'. Yes, that means one is
"effectively" a liar.
Mitt is into playing word games, Romneys word games are done to
miss-lead, miss-direct, and spin like a weather-vane at Mitts
digression to deceive the people he is speaking with.
Mitt is one twisted twister.
Maybe, Romney should go back to high school, and run for student
body president. America doesn't need a man who plays word games
like this.
Jane| 3.10.10 @ 12:12PM
Mr. Antle,
Grasp at straws much?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 12:29PM
You can't hide your spirit, Mr. Romney. Please do us all a favor.
Don't run for President. Spare us another Ross Perot situation
and let a decent man who is truly against abortion, with clear
values and clear speech be the nominee.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:01PM
Or woman, as the case may be.
MK in Arizona| 3.10.10 @ 12:31PM
Good one Jane! Romney is the best qualified candidate (once he
makes it official) to fix the ills of our country and get us back
on track. Liberals see him as a huge threat so they find any
little nitpicky thing they can and blow it out of porportion and
spin it to try and smear Mitt. Americans are smarter than that
and I personally can't wait to see a debate between Romney and
Obama because Romney is so knowledgable on so many subjects that
he will run circles around Obama. Romney in 2012!
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
In a debate the question I would pose to Romney assuming
ObamaCare becomes law:
Will you as President do the following?
A. Spike ObamaCare and offer a new health care plan?
B. Spike ObamaCare and return to the old system?
C. Keep ObamaCare and let it grow to astronomical proportions?
Romney will respond I want a new health care system though
effectively I like the old system. But in reality he keeps
ObamaCare and claims he can effectively manage it better.
BostonJane| 3.10.10 @ 12:47PM
Romney is quite the man. But POTUS for 2012? Many in America are
shaking their heads in doubt.
There is a dichotomy about Romney's prospects. On the one hand,
Republicans tend to support vetted candidates in nominating
presidents so Romney fits that bill. On the other hand, he is a
slick chameleon who did so well last time mostly due to his not
being the detestable John McCain. Romney is no true conservative
and is likely to disappoint on issues like homosexual "rights",
abortion and immigration. He will not only not get my vote, I
would vote for Obama over Romney and go to Confession the next
day to cleanse my sin.
annette| 3.10.10 @ 1:13PM
Romney would be a decent VP choice for President Palin.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:13PM
Love it!
bc3b| 3.10.10 @ 1:16PM
Mitt Romney would be ideally suited to be president if solving
the nation's problems involved hiring a hedge fund manager to
sell off blocks of states to foreign countries.
After Obama finishes going down his path of destruction, we are
going to need a president who has the courage to make difficult
choices and lots of cuts. It will require someone who has the
courage to stand up to the federal employee unions and say "We're
going to have to start cutting pay and reducing benefits."
From avoiding Vietnam by doing missionary work in France, of all
places, to constant flip-flops, when has Mitt Romney ever done
anything courageous?
Gary| 3.10.10 @ 1:32PM
Romney is a loser. This guy spent a fortune last time only to
come in third behind McCain and that idiot Huckabee.
Willard needs to go away. He made a mess as Governor with
RomneyCare, and will only grow government if allowed to be in
office.
Maybe is he is real nice Sarah Palin will offer him the job of
Treasury Secretary or appoint him Fed chair.
He is NOT POTUS material, Mitt is mid-management, at best.
There is only one person qualified to clean this mess up, because
she has done it before. And she took down members of her own
party to do it.
Romney is the GOP elites choice, Palin is the people's choice.
Annie| 3.10.10 @ 7:14PM
Excellent post. Thank you.
Derek Leaberry| 3.10.10 @ 1:32PM
Romney will never be able to balance the nation's books. If
Romney put a meat-axe to the budget in 2013-14 the Republicans
would lose 100 seats in the House. Better to let Obama drive the
Democrats down for eight years and elect giant Republican
majorities in the Congress. Better to force Obama to make massive
budget cuts.
Eisenhower| 3.11.10 @ 12:25AM
I couldn't agree more! It seems the only way we're ever gonna get
back to Limited Gov't is through Divided Gov't. Dems keep the
White House for eight years, while the GOP gets control of
Congress. 1990s here we come! Hooray! Too bad we're still
screwed.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 2:04PM
If you're a single-issue voter, and that issue is abortion, and
you're anti-abortion, and you don't trust Mitt Romney's
anti-abortion stance, then don't vote for him.
Otherwise, I agree with the main thrust of his defense. That is,
he's plainly anti-abortion now, and the length of time that he
has held this position is largely irrelevant. It basically only
comes into play when appointing Supreme Court justices, and he
says he's not going to nominate a pro-choice judge.
The fact is, many politicians, like many Americans, have been
painted into a corner on abortion. Many don't really care that
much about abortion, one way or another. They just have to fake
it, whether they're pro- or anti-abortion. Most of them would
just like to see the abortion wars go away, one way or the other.
One of the worst political developments of the past 40 years has
been the emergence of abortion as a moralising litmus test for
candidates on either side of the issue.
By all means, ask candidates to state their position on abortion.
But let's also recognize that the country is deeply divided on
the issue, and it is not an issue central to the governance of
the country.
Let's not run the country based on abortion, pro or con.
Derek Leaberry| 3.10.10 @ 2:33PM
If you think the moral decline of the country is more important
than who runs Iraq, then by all means ignore abortion. As for me,
the three most vital issues regarding America are 1) Third World
immigration which is demographically transforming America, 2)
America's moral decline and 3) America's race to fiscal ruin. If
the Republicans do not which to address any of those three
issues, what point is politics.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:39PM
Nice try, "Litmus Man." But no cigar. Sure sounds like Liberal
Reader's using yet another new handle today!
You're a fraud. Quit trying to paint conservatives into the
"single issue voter" corner.
Now why would you want to present Romney in a good light, as
someone conservatives ought to vote for when you're nothing but a
Leftist who could care less about electing a conservative
candidate?
Don't bother answering. I already know. It's because you know
darn well Romney would give us Obama II.
Like I said, nice try, Troll.
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 2:59PM
This is something the Romney camp might try to deflect from
Romneys change 'length of time that he has held this position is
largely irrelevant'. It is not much different than Romney getting
on his high horse during the presidential debates and saying some
have "Holier than thou" attitudes because they have been Pro-Life
longer.
Sounds more like a test trial on how an excuse would fly.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:16PM
It is ridiculous and sad that the Liberals and Leftists actually
believe that we peons (to them), cannot see through their
phoniness.
Well the peons are waking up and it going to matter what they
SAY. It matters what they do. "You shall know them by their
fruits."
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:17PM
*oops. s/b "it isn't going to matter what they SAY."
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bb| 3.10.10 @ 2:13PM
Reading these comments on Romney reminds me of when as a youth I
worked on a chicken farm. If a chicken had a slight discoloration
on its comb, all the other chickens would peck at it until the
chicke's head was so shreded and bloodied that had to be
destroyed. If these are Republicans making these analyses, what
happens (like the last time around) is that all the half-way
acceptable candidates get destroyed and we end up getting the
last one left as our nominee. Really stupid behavior in my
opinion.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:24PM
Real people have opinions, bb. Conservatives don't want BS
artists to be the nominee to begin with. That's why it's good to
find out who they are and what they stand for so that we can let
our voices be heard by VOTING with our feet. We don't want a
pro-choice nominee, nor one who wants Socialist Health Care!
bb| 3.10.10 @ 4:06PM
The problem comes when those who want to "find out" already know
the answer they want or are shallow in their criticism.
Romney has never been pro-choice. He has been tolerant of
pro-choice because of a relative dieing from a botched abortion.
He has also run for governor with a promise to accept and not try
to change the existing laws on abortion. As a gvernor, how could
he have changed the law anyway?
Also, Romney care is not Socialistic Medicine. It is in the
provate sector. Having everyone insured for medical care does not
make it socialized medicine. Requiring everyone who drives to
have auto insurance doesn't make the auto accident repair
business socialism.
You should not be taken in so easily by all the propoganda. And
if you are the source of the propoganda, shame on you. You
deserve what you help install.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:46PM
Why on earth would he be tolerant of abortion due to a botched
abortion? I must be missing something there in my peon brain.
Unless of course you'd be trying to justify abortion being legal
because otherwise "the poor women would have to have back-alley"
abortions or something? Then you'd be trying to rationalize. I
don't go for that, sorry. God doesn't either. (I'm just going by
His "Thou shalt not murder" Commandment).
Propaganda?
Why is it propaganda to not want a nominee for President who
doesn't strongly voice his opposition to abortion? "From the
abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." If he can't even take a
stand with his words, against it, then he isn't against it. It's
important enough because he would be responsible for nominating
Supreme court Justices.
As for Romney-care not being Socialist? How else do you describe
Health Ins. that is mandated by the government? Hmm?
So in all, perhaps your "you deserve what you help install" line
applies more to you, than it does to me.
I'm looking to back true conservatives, and those 2 issues leave
Romney in the dust as to nominee for President.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 6:32PM
Marjorie wrote:
[God doesn't either. (I'm just going by His "Thou shalt not
murder" Commandment).
"From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." ]
I thought I detected some religious overtones to your bitter
anti-Romney diatribe. That confirms what I suspected.
This far-right, over zealous, super-critical, religious bigotry
is the achilles hill of some conservatives. It prevents cool,
rational judgment. That more than any other problems we have will
bring defeat in the next election.
What you forget are some other important parts of religion:
"Judge not that ye be not judged." and "Blessed are the
peacemakers." Read Matt. 5:22 where Jesus said that those who are
overly critical and indulge in name calling are in danger of hell
fire. Maybe you shouldn't be so selective in the parts of your
religion you choose to emphasize.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:17PM
Obviously bb didn't like what I had to say so now I am a
religious bigot. Par for the course.
Little bb: what will bring defeat in the next election is if we
conservatives do not nominate a true conservative. One who does
not believe in Socialist policies, and one who is also
pro-life.
So stop being a liar and using the religious bigot card, ok?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:19PM
We have the right and the OBLIGATION to judge the person who
could be our candidate for POTUS, moron.
Keep it up, Romneybot--you'll turn off all of us conservatives.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:15PM
bb:
"Requiring everyone who drives to have auto insurance doesn't
make the auto accident repair business socialism."
That's the difference. You are only required to have auto
insurance if you have a car, not if you ride in one.
By requiring everyone to buy health insurance, whether they see a
doctor or not, whether they have a need for it or not, is
Socialism.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 7:10PM
That may seem like a difference to you, but not much of a
difference to me. The law that gives everyone the right to demand
medical care in an emergency room, whether or not they have
insurance or are able to pay, makes the public liable for their
medical bills. One of the reasons medical expenses are so high is
that many of the recipients of that care are not paying their
share. If the law was changed so that those who can buy
insurance, but won't, can be refused medical help, then I would
say we don't need to ask eveyone to have insurance.
However, we won't allow ourselves to be that hard-hearted.
So the next best thing is to have a system where all who can
participate in their medical expenses do so to the extent they
are able.
He has been tolerant of pro-choice because of a relative dieing
(sic) from a botched abortion.
"Romney's sister, Jane, recalled that the girl Romney cited in
the debate was a teenager engaged to marry a relative of the
Romneys' extended family."
If she was engaged to be married, why would she have to have an
abortion?
And why would Romney use this event to justify abortion?
Why would he not work to create crisis pregnancy centers as
others have?
Or use this event to promote abstinence?
Either would have been better than condoning abortion.
S.Hamilton| 3.10.10 @ 8:30PM
“Jane, recalled that the girl”, “Jane recalled”. Has one ever
noticed the words people use? “Jane recalled.” …”was a teenager
engaged to marry a relative of the Romneys' extended family. "
So, the girl was engaged to a Romney relative, as she recalls.
O.k.
Let’s tell the truth, a Romney relative got a teen age girl
pregnant, instead of marrying the girl he got pregnant, she died
after an illegal abortion. I am holding off what I am really
thinking on this story, which is full of holes. However, one
thing it is NOT making me think better of any of the Romneys.
S.Hamilton| 3.10.10 @ 8:32PM
They are so use to covering up child sexual abuse, you would
think it would catch up with them.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 8:43PM
"Either would have been better than condoning abortion. "
How has Romney condoned abortion?
Probably the same way we all have. The law allows it, and we
haven't changed the law yet.
We may not like it, but that is presently the law.
Did you want him to go blow up an abortion clinic to prove he
doesn't like abortion?
Do you think being a governor promising not to change the law on
abortion (which he couldn't do anyway) means he is pro
abortion?
As he has pointed out, whenever an issue came up where he had an
opportunity to affect the action of the government with respect
to life, he has ruled in favor of life.
He was not in the congress and he was not on the supreme court,
so why do you insist on hanging the abortion rap on him?
This is such an overblown issue.
Earl| 3.10.10 @ 9:11PM
Missing the issue, the issues is Romney is over-blown. Neither
the right ,or the left like Romney. He is a people user,
disingenuous, dishonest. Romney is a man who cannot be trusted.
That is the issue.
Jeremiah| 3.10.10 @ 9:55PM
Exactly!
Dishonest. Disingenuous. Untrustworthy. Not exactly
recommendations for POTUS!
victor| 3.10.10 @ 10:22PM
Not unless you are a democrat and then they are resume
enhancements.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 10:28PM
bb:
"Do you think being a governor promising not to change the law on
abortion (which he couldn't do anyway) means he is pro abortion?"
Yes, because he would not be able to overturn Roe v Wade, he
could still propose and sign laws that would restrict
abortions.
That was the same accusation, though in reverse, that was made
against Bret Schundler in 2001 in NJ.
The lib media and moderate republicans all said he would overturn
Roe v Wade, though he had not the power to do so.
He still proclaimed himself solidly and absolutely Pro-Life.
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Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 2:29PM
'length of time that he has held this position is largely
irrelevant' posted by the Litmus Man.
Romney has not only changed on abortion. The issues with Romney
far exceed his changing views on abortion. Romney has made
himself
'irrelevant' by his continual disrespect for the American public
and Romney continual disingenuous statements on many topics.
Stating many politicians have been backed into the corner on
abortion, is a cop-out. Let's rephrase this statement. There are
politicians which want the backing and support from Pro-Life
supporters, and are willing to use this group of political
activists to gain office, these same politicians, when it is to
there advantage are willing to use Pro-Choice activists to gain
office when it is to their advantage to do so.
No one has forced Mitt to be Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, Romney is
merely a disingenuous and manipulative individual who is lusting
after a political office.
Romney has attempted to gain popularity by injecting his paranoid
fears on to the public, while down playing his own lack of
creditability.
Litmus Man posting "the length of time that he has held this
position is largely irrelevant" is as relevant as Romney saying
he is 'effectively'. It is deception, plain and simple -- a snake
oil salesman.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 2:51PM
Good grief there are more than 17 million people unemployed in
this country and Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the Democratic Party are
on a course to increase that number for years to come.
This country voted for the most pro-abortion POTUS ever when they
elected Obama so I hardly think Mitt will have a problem with
this.
If American's are too stupid the second time around in 2012 to
skip a man like Romney who actually understands geopolitcial
economics and how America is to remain at the forefront well
then...I guess we can talk about abortion on the unemployment
line and over a meal soup at the nearest soup kitchen.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:07PM
Troll. You don't fool us darlin'.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:14PM
Margie dearie, quit talking to trolls.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:21PM
sheryl, leave our website and Margie won't have to.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:14PM
Let Romney return to his roots...Detroit, Michigan and apply his
geopolitical economic theorems. His father virtually marched with
civil rights protesters and now he can virtually stand in the
unemployment/soup kitchen lines.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:23PM
Thank you for your truthful posts, Cris. Your candor is
appreciated here.
higgins1990| 3.10.10 @ 2:51PM
RomneyCare should be enough of a lead weight chained to his
ankles that will pull him down to a fourth place finish in Iowa
and an early departure. Now if only Palin and Suckabee would go
away...
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:20PM
Sorry pal, but Palin's not going anywhere.
Partial to Paul are you?
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
sheryl don't use the name in vane. sheryl would never vote for
Mitt.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:13PM
I voted for Mitt in the GOP primary. I will again in 2012.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:24PM
And he'll lose again in 2012. lol
Lavaux| 3.10.10 @ 3:05PM
I'll cut Romney some slack for being "effectively pro-choice"
because he's pro-life now and couldn't have changed Roe v. Wade
as Governor of MA even if he wanted to. Sure, he could have
broken his campaign promise and proposed legislation to hinder
abortions, but if I recall correctly he had a liberal Democrat
state legislature to contend with during his tenure. No, I'll
forgive the guy now that he's on the side of Right.
Don't forget, some of the most effective conservative thinkers
and writers are former socialists, e.g. David Horowitz and John
Podhoretz. Their take on socialist ideology benefits from their
personal experience with it, lending their work additional
weight. Maybe Romney should take his cue from them and fashion a
spiel of like kind re having been "effectively pro choice".
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:12PM
It isn't just the abortion issue. Didn't Romney want Universal
healthcare in MA?
Using Horowitz as an example is false for the very reason that
David Horowitz IS the real thing. He did have a true conversion.
His life shows it.
If Romney says one thing but does another, that's what the voters
look at.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:19PM
Romney wanted everyone insured in MA Margie.
If Romneycare was so evil why didn't Scott Brown or Coakly for
that matter ever distance themselves from it in the latest
election.
Maybe becausse their internally polling?
Seems like an imperical fact that someone has to grapple with
before they starting throwing out anti Romney talking points like
you do here Margie dearie.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:28PM
We'll see. The people will do the voting. I speak my mind as you
do. The only difference is, I'm not a liberal troll in disguise.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:39PM
Oh what no bad words to say about Scott Brown, Margie dearie?
BTW, all your little name calling is factual evidence of why so
many of the so called elitist like myself in the conservative
party cringe.
Name calling is anti-intellectual, unproductive and cheapens
conservative causes.
My guess is that you tattoo people with the label RINO pretty
frequently as well.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:46PM
You're an elitist? Why, who'da thunk it? ;^)~
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:04PM
The "conservative party?" Which party would that be, LibRead?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:27PM
If it governs like a liberal and talks like a liberal, it's a
liberal, sheryl.
RINOs are a pox on our Conservative values--go back to the
democrat party where you belong.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 4:28PM
Two can play that game. Suppose we say "you are an anti-Mormon
bigot in disguise"?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:28PM
Ah, yes, identity politics--all you liberals play that game.
Sorry, doesn't work with us: Romney is a moral weather-vane and
we're not interested.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:44PM
sheryl:
"Romney wanted everyone insured in MA Margie."
Then he should have worked to make it easier for those who wanted
it or needed to buy health insurance.
He could have worked to reduce or eliminate the 52 mandated
coverages that spanned from drug abuse to contraception to
hearing screening to chiropractic to podiatrists.
Apparently he believes that we should be covered for nearly any
eventuality and we should not covere any costs ourselves.
What about basic coverage in the same vein that I can get for my
car.
My wife and I pay $737 a year.
We pick what we need and that is the way it should be with
medical insurance.
Look at your policy and see what you are paying for that you will
never use.
Acupuncture, smoking cessation, prostate screening, autism,
hearing aids?
1
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:25PM
You have forgotten Romney's association with Planned Parenthood
hardly a pargon for right to life values:
Gave Planned Parenthood a permanent seat on a Mass. state
board.
Attended Planned Parenthood fundraiser where his wife donated
$150.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:27PM
Typo: paragon for right to life values.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:12PM
bb,
Thanks for your good homespun wisdom.
A lot of the other chickens on this thread want to peck Romney to
death and give us another McCain so they can go home and polish
their consciences after another Republican defeat.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:23PM
Voting for a Republican in name only will give us Obama II and
you know it. Conservatives won't be voting for for anymore
Liberal Republicans. No matter how you try and spin the
voters.
Lying troll.
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 3:28PM
“Too often people believe they are using their minds
intelligently while in fact they are just using circular
thinking.” Like the man said "he (Romney) can't resist insulting
people's intelligence”, and that is exactly what your posts are
doing Lavaux, Litmus Man and sheryl
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:49PM
WTF? LOL!! BJ,circular thinking really? Do you even have the
slightest idea what you are talking about or you just throwing
out lingo that you think sounds smart.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:30PM
What would you know about 'smart' lingo?
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:35PM
The internet is a beautiful thing...duplicitous/ charlatan
politicians are having a hard time...it spiked Kerry in '04,
Willard and Hillary in '08 and Willard again in '12.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:48PM
Obviously rewriting history is another one of your fortes.
McCain was chosen by the fringe liberals in the open
primaries.
I didn't support McCain in 2000 when he ran the first time and I
sure as heck did not support him in 2008.
And I didn't vote for him either, I voted for Palin.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:29PM
It seems that anyone who doesn't share Margie's opinion is
vilified as a 'troll', lying or otherwise. Nice.
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idaho joe| 3.10.10 @ 3:35PM
I believe Romney is a good man and would make a good President.
He has at times changed his mind on some topic's but you tell me
who hasn't. I believe he has the knowledge to turn this economy
around and put us on the road to recovery. I also like Palin.
Either one of these potential candidates would be a huge
improvement over what we have now. If we don't stop ragging on
those who will oppose the great one in 2012 then we will get more
of the same hope and change until 2016 and that is a fact you can
take to the bank.
Jacob | 3.10.10 @ 3:45PM
you forgot to say " I am Idaho Joe, and work for Mitt Romney"
idaho joe| 3.10.10 @ 4:05PM
I haven't attached my horse to any team yet jacob. But that time
is coming and I will get behind who I feel will serve our nations
best interest. And at this point I like what Mitt Romney and
Sarah Palin are saying. It would be a slam dunk victory in 2012
if these to were to run on the same ticket. Romney/Palin or Palin
/Romney, ethier way its a winner
Jacob| 3.10.10 @ 6:50PM
Your a Romney troll, no doubt
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:32PM
The paid Romneybots are out in full force!
Mitt's got deep pockets that's for sure.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:53PM
Nip it in the bud Joe, now is the time to rag just like the Tea
Partiers are doing...winnowing out phony conservatives like Crist
and Romney.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 4:00PM
I don't think you have a clue what a phony conservative is. You
don't sound like anything but an arbiter of Romney hatred.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:05PM
Phony Conservatives are really Moderates and Social Liberals that
pretend otherwise.
Are you Pro-Life?
Are you Pro-Second Amendment?
Are you Pro-School Vouchers?
Are you Pro-Property Rights?
Are you Pro-Free Enterprise?
Are you Pro-Smaller Government?
Are you Pro-Flat Tax?
Hate Romney? Never!
Hate his policies? Darn Right!
Bill| 3.10.10 @ 6:53PM
ROTFL.... Ouch! Is that suppose to hurt saying Romney hater? It
doesn't. Go play in your sandbox, it is obvious you are not grown
up yet.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:49PM
Can't find 'cutsey' in my troll dictionary.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:34PM
Bet you can't find 'cute' in the mirror, either, moron.
Rachel| 3.10.10 @ 4:07PM
He was in love with Massachsetts gun-control before he became an
NRA member (a year or so ago)...he created personal mandate
universal health insurance, he was pro-choice before he
wasn't...yeah, he "changed" his mind on a couple of "paltry"
issues...he's really a "conservative"...
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Rob| 3.10.10 @ 4:24PM
While we bash Romney for his change on abortion, why don't we all
disavow Ronald Reagan as well? Reagan actually did sign
pro-choice legislation while the governor of CA, AND raised
taxes. His son Michael recently spoke at a Lincoln Day event in
Idaho and told the crowd that his father would never have been
elected these days because so many people require purity tests
and perfection from the candidates. Just a thought.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 4:42PM
That's right. Margie, Cris and Rachel would slamming Reagan.
Their ideology is fringe at best.
I can't wait for the day when we discuss, after the 2012
election, about Romney Democrats like we recall the Reagan
Democrats now. And how Mitt turned around all those Obama
Republicans as well.
Big tent is where it's at, not the fringes.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:58PM
sheryl/Liberal Reader:
You may be excellent in your twisted lying to some who may be
fooled. But a very tiny percent, I'm sure.
But it IS very interesting to see that you want Romney to be the
nominee so very badly. Quite revealing!
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 5:10PM
Margie,
What is the lie? Reagan was pro-choice and raised taxes in CA. He
even talked about it. Why the accusations of lying? If you don't
like Romney, I could care less. I don't have a dog in the hunt
yet (although I'm interested in Mitch Daniels, the governor of
IN.). My point is only that Romney is not the only politician to
have converted to the pro-life cause, and I have yet to see the
level of vitriol aimed at Reagan for a similar conversion. (his
conversion was convenient as well, around the time he ran for
president the first time in 1968.)
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 5:13PM
You forgot to end your comment with muuaahhaaaa!
Margie you are a tiny percent don't fool yourself.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:36PM
sheryl, you're the fool; Margie is part of the republican
majority. You're the one who is nothing.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 5:52PM
Rob:
" Reagan actually did sign pro-choice legislation while the
governor of CA,"
For the record, there was no such thing as "Pro-Choice" in
1966.
He reluctantly signed a law that permitted "therapeutic"
abortions on the assertion that 300 women would commit suicide if
they were denied an abortion. He signed it, but later Reagan was
left with a sense of guilt. "If there is a question as to whether
there is life or death, the doubt should be resolved in favor of
life."
This canard was started by Romney to justify Romney's position of
"Por-Choice" and an alliance with Planned Parenthood in the 90's.
Since Reagan was NEVER Pro-Abortion, there would be no reason for
any such "purity" test.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 6:05PM
"Since Reagan was NEVER Pro-Abortion"
Except when:
"He reluctantly signed a law that permitted "therapeutic"
abortions"
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:23PM
The law a measure to allow pregnant women to terminate embryos
prejudicial to their "physical or mental health." Reagan had to
admit that he agreed with "the moral principle of
self-defense."
Unfortunately abortion became an extension of welfare, and Reagan
wished he had paid more head to the bill's manipulative language.
The very word "Therapeutic" was a medical euphemism, sanitizing
essentially bloody procedures.
That is what Romney's erstwhile allies, Planned Parenthood did
and still does.
Reagan was NEVER Pro-Choice!
Reagan never allied himself with those murderers.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:40PM
We're not talking about Reagan here, people--we're talking about
Romney--and Romney can't hold a candle to the great Ronald
Reagan. Nice try at obfuscation, though, RINO trolls; you sound
like liberals.
The more I read about Mitt Romney, the more I dislike him. Keep
telling the truth, folks--don't back down from the threats and
lies of the Myth Romneybots!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 5:23PM
"Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove
the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the
doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled
to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." - Ronald Reagan
1982
I'm a Reagan conservative. He was not pro-choice.
Trying to compare him to Romney is a joke and utterly
disingenuous, as is trying to shove myself and the other posters
here who say what we think about Romney.
Liars, you will not prevail!
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 5:55PM
Margie,
Reagan signed the therapeutic abortion act in CA. (1967) While
the purpose was supposedly to only allow abortions for suicidal
women and women whose lives were in danger, you can see how well
that worked out. Romney didn't sign anything expanding abortion
rights. Even the Masscare act only maintained the status quo. So
if you objectively compare their records, Reagan did more to
expand abortion that Romney ever did. I'm not saying this to
demean Reagan, perhaps he really believed that only
unhealthy/suicidal women would have abortions, but I am sure you
are aware of how many abortions are performed under the guise of
the "health of the mother." I consider myself a Reagan Republican
as well. You can throw quotes around as much as you want, it
doesn't change the fact that Reagan signed an act into law which
essentially paved the way for thousands of abortions. If you
don't want to call that pro-choice, I won't argue with you about
semantics. However, it's disingenuous to claim that Romney could
not have "converted" to the pro-life cause, but Reagan could have
when the record clearly shows that both men did. You can call me
a liar all you want. I could care less.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:42PM
If you don't care why do you keep posting in defense of Romney?
Leave Reagan out of this.
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Lori| 3.10.10 @ 5:30PM
James Antle is parsing words here. Shall I do the same? Romney is
correct, he never called himself pro-choice prior to being
governor. He did not see himself that way. He was not a
politician so it really had no value what he called himself. Only
in retrospect he analyzes that he was effectively pro-choice back
then. So what, Antle?
You are picking a fight for no reason. Get over it. What does it
matter so many years ago? Why keep bringing it up? He would still
make a better president than we have now and maybe the finest
president ever.
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 6:10PM
Agreed, it's a sad day when a conservative website is going after
one of their own in the same manner as Huffpo.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 6:18PM
What's sad is I think Margie, Victor and the like are Huckabee
supporters and we are again going to see this kind of attack
masking as a principled abortion stand when in fact it's simply
an anti-Mormon stand.
Bill| 3.10.10 @ 6:58PM
Now it is Huckabee? sheryl, must be paranoid, no one brought up
Anti-Mormon, no one brought up Huckabee. Romney always deflects
to Anti-Mormon, or attacks on Huckabee when people see though the
light of Mitt verbal gymnastics. Can't you stay on the subject
and not good off into outer space?
It is your sandbox time now sheryl, don't forget you baby bottle,
and teddy bear.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 7:22PM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a
duck, Bill.
Margie, you and Victor sound exactly like the Huckabee followers
from 2008....the exact same.
These are actually talking points for some loon Iowa radio talk
show hosts that grilled Ann Coulter a while back.
Rob gave Margie and Victor, etc.... logical, sane, factual
reasons as to why someone should, when disavowing Romney on the
abortion issue, they should also disavow Reagan because of his
change on the issue.
But these folks won't have any of it. Reagan/Romney can't be the
same in their tiny, infinitesimal, wee little worlds because
their arguments crumble.
So why keep at it? Could there be a built in bigotry in someone
to be so dogmatic and stubborn when presented facts?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:44PM
Typical liberal--bleat bigotry when you've been beaten by the
facts.
Admit it--Margie beat you.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:04PM
margie didn't present facts. she presented a quote.
Rob gave margie and victor and all of you name callers a fact
about Reagan that dispels your criticisms about Romney and
abortion.
admit it missy, you don't have the first clue what a conservative
or liberal is.
admit it missy. you, margie, victor are Steve Deace type
extremists that plan to infect real conservatism and a Republican
resurgence that this country desperatly needs.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:40PM
Sheryl/LiberalReader:
Ahh, "real conservatism" Tsk tsk little troll.
Now~~ tell us plainly, who are the real conservatives?
You just admitted, below that you want a pro-choice candidate. Is
that what you call real conservatism?
Hey pipsqueak, do you have a conscience?
If anyone is causing an infection in the Republican party it is
liars like you, who call themselves Republican, yet want to keep
abortion legal!
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:57PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a
woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do
with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you
pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd
hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin
couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:07PM
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate wat I stand for? I doubt
that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you
trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:56PM
And who is Steve Deace?
And what does Reagan have to do with Romney?
Reagan was not pro-choice. Romney, well we don't know? What is
the farcical game playing here all about? Maybe I get it. If
sheryl can "prove" that Reagan was somehow pro-choice then that
would mean we HAVE to vote for Romney, I guess. In her mind it is
a must, then.
Because somehow, if Reagan was really pro-choice, it's ok for
Romney to be?
Convoluted!
Conservatives want a pro-life candidate who is also
anti-Socialism. NO government take over of our Health Care.
Call us what you will. LIE all you want, but THAT is what REAL
conservatives want.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a
woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do
with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you
pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd
hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin
couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:09PM
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt
that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you
trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:03PM
Wow! Boo hoo!! Poor widdle sheryl: She can throw the nasty dirt
but can't take it when it's thrown back in her face. Toughen up
little spoiled RINO girl. lol
Good job, Margie--Mythbots like sheryl are a dime a dozen.
BTW, sheryl--Myth will lose this time, too! Just wait and see.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:20PM
If you don't agree with a Liberal (Leftist) they:
Pull the bigot card.
Pull the "you're not a true conservative card."
Pull the "You're an extremist fringe" card.
When all else fails, pull the "you're a sanctimonious moron"
card.
~From the get-go I said the precise reason conservatives wouldn't
want a pro-choice nominee, nor a person who wants government run
healthcare. That alone got me categorized by this liar as all of
the above.
Typical.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:06PM
sheryl/LibReader:
You really ought to stop the lying pipsqueak. That DOES make you
a pipsqeak, you know. Lying, that is. Actually it makes you a lot
worse than a pipsqeak but I'm practicing what you elitists call
"civility" and reeeeeaasoned response.
Now you are playing the Obama card are you? Well that's too bad
because you are revealing who and what you truly are.
What I wonder though, is why you Leftists choose to be, and I
mean choose, to be mentally ill? You claim tolerance and free
speech and that nobody's letting you do so but when it comes to
conservatives you have to lie, and play the bigot card?
That would make you not only a liar, but a hypocrite.
I would not want to be you!
p.s. If Romney or any other person is going to run for the office
of the Presidency, and are not pro-life, and are for Socialized
medicine, I would not want them to be the nominee. Because that
is not good for the country, and that's what I care about. That
would make them EXACTLY like Obama, who I objected to, for the
very same reasons. And typical of Leftists you played the race
card then, and are still doing so now.
The question for others to ask is this: Why is it that Leftists
want Romney to be the nominee?
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a
woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do
with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you
pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd
hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin
couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:10PM
One more time for the Gipper:
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt
that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you
trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:07PM
What's with the kinky troll's unnatural obsession with Mountain
Dew and canned cheese?
Bigot much, sheryl?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
I guess I hit the proverbial nerve with "sheryl." The fraud isn't
conservative at all. She/he wants a pro-life candidate. She likes
Romney for that. Anyone who isn't for him she/he will try to
paint into an "extremist." Typical Leftist tactics. Conservatives
will nominate a pro-life candidate. You can bet on it. Sorry,
"sheryl."
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:29PM
God bless you and don't let up, Margie; someone has to stand up
for the voiceless innocents. If not us, then who?
Obviously, Myth the RINO only cares about unborn babies when it
will get him votes. What an awful man, a political prostitute of
the worst kind.
Yuck!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:38PM
*s/b she wants a pro-choice candidate, above.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 7:14PM
Margie,
You ask, "Why is it that Leftists want Romney to be the nominee?"
It's because he has the best hair.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:45PM
And the best lies; liberals love lies.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:48PM
Ha! Well, I do know that Liberals judge by outward
appearances.
Who did you want the nominee to be for President? I was hoping
for Fred Thompson. I really wish we didn't have open primaries
because this is why McCain became the nominee. Imagine if we
could be saying "President Thompson" right now. Do you agree?
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:51PM
President Fred Dalton Thompson would sure as heck sound real nice
about now.
A far sight better than that slacker layabout that we have now.
bluecollarbytes| 3.10.10 @ 7:16PM
I've thought we could do much worse than Mitt Romney. He's
competent, and I assume a serious/sober-minded human who would
defend this country against our enemies.
But so much time needs to be spent on Romney 'clarifying' his
previous stands that I wonder if what ever is left in the good
moderate is worth the effort? Romney should have been well past
refining 'the product' by now, leaving him to concentrate on the
Democrat-bashing this country needs.
______________
I spoke with a Mormon about abortion. According to this guy,
abortion or the 'right to life' is Not a Mormon doctrine. It may
be a personal 'value' held by individual Mormons but nothing in
the faith precludes one from taking the human life in the womb.
It might shed light on Romney's casual approach towards
abortions.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:46PM
True. Romney the 'clarifier'--doesn't inspire trust or
confidence.
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:03PM
Mormons are famous for their big families. So I think we can all
assume they are "pro-life". I agree with Mrs. Romney, the proof
is in the pudding.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
Myth lies a lot and there's plenty of 'pudding' around to prove
it.
Moron.
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:00PM
I am so tired of this nonsense about pro-choice and pro-life. The
fact is that 95% of the population wants abortion to be legal, no
matter what they term themselves. The great majority of that 95%
want it to be rare or unusual, but of course there will always be
some people who abuse the procedure and use it as birth control.
Reagan, nor any other "pro-life" president ever offered up a bill
to Congress to make abortion illegal. I'm quite sure that Romney
wants abortion to be an unusual circumstance as most of us do.
That places Romney well within the majority of thought in America
on this subject.
Sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:25PM
Well said. It's so nice to end my viewing of this blog today with
your post!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:33PM
So really that's what it's all about with "sheryl". She wants a
to keep abortion legal and wants a pro-choice candidate. So
sheryl, why couldn't you just have come out and said it?
Instead you have to lie about others and try to paint them in a
bad light.
Typical Leftist pipsqueak.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:06PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a
woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do
with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you
pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd
hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin
couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:11PM
And again:
One more time for the Gipper:
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt
that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you
trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Now go crawl back under your rock.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:30PM
95% of the population wants abortion legal? Really? Where did you
get that from? A MSNBC poll?
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:50PM
That's my unscientific poll based on my observations of Americans
in general and in the specific for my entire life. The real
pro-life people are actually the Mormons and the Amish, some
Catholics, and a minority of Protestants. Romney is solidly
pro-life and pro-family. The man has 5 children and many
grandchildren. That's enough proof for me. Whether or not he
wants to dictate his values to other people is apparently the
topic on this forum.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:02PM
Well get back to us with a true percentage when you can.
Sorry but conservatives won't nominate someone who isn't clear on
his stance against abortion. Nor will we nominate a person who
thinks taking over our economy through government run Health care
and any other Socialist programs is acceptable.
That's just reality.
Ann| 3.10.10 @ 8:34PM
Not as tired as people are with the Romneys
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:16PM
Unfortunately for Myth Romney the liar, his constant flip
flopping does NOT put him well within the majority of thought
among Conservative Americans.
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Survivor| 3.10.10 @ 9:38PM
Dear Margie,
Glad to see that you've got internet access wired up in your bomb
shelter. Need any more canned goods or bottled water?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:49PM
As a matter of fact, we are running low on Spam, (though I prefer
caviar-beluga), kidney beans and Evian.
Can you send some over?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:18PM
Doubt it, Margie--the loser is probably a crackhead and the
'fridge' is bare.
Gold BC| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
A few passing thoughts:
Think again...American conservatives have at long last woken up.
"Phony Conservative" Crist once way ahead of Rubio is now way
behind Rubio. "Phony Conservative" Romney the favorite to win the
CPAC poll ended up grasping for straws and was beaten by Ron
Paul. Lest not we forget...Romney had is chance in '08 and his
record was found wanting....ESPECIALLY his social conservative
credentials.
Romney emphasized social issues in the last campaign...remember,
but flips flopped his '08 campaign and as you can read now will
torpedo his '12 campaign.
Since it was mentioned, Romney tried to dodge the Mormon thing
with a speech he gave with great style but no substance back in
Dec '07. It failed because he refused to tell us how the Mormon
religion impacts both his private and political life. Also he
needs to address his role as a stakeholder in the church. What
does stakeholder mean? What jobs has he performed as stakeholder?
What are his duties and responsibilities as stakeholder? It’s
such a contrast between what the Mormon Church stands for -
conservative on social issues and Romney who is liberal on social
issues.
Romney reminds me of another Mass. pol named John F. Kerry. Kerry
and Romney like to flip flop issues that's obvious but also fudge
things in a very clever subtle way. One note; Kerry told a
compelling story for years when as skipper of a swift boat in SE
Asia he was ordered into Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968 by the
President of the United States. He later mentions who the
President was...Richard Milhous Nixon...trouble was the President
of the United States on Dec. 24, 1968 was not Nixon but Lyndon
Baines Johnson in fact Kerry never was in Cambodia in the first
place. GOTCHA!
On November 9, 2004 Romney says he had a pro-life conversion
during a meeting with an embryonic stem-cell researcher yet in
2005 Romney nominated to the Massachusetts district court a
pro-abortion Democrat and in 2006 Romney gave a permanent seat on
the health payment policy advisory board to Planned Parenthood.
GOTCHA AGAIN!
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:20PM
Romney's a slick, oily, used-car salesman politician with all the
charisma of a cardboard cutout action figure. Oh, he lies, too.
PCC| 3.11.10 @ 2:12AM
It has been my observation that when the 'skechers man' shows up
in the comments section, it is a sure sign that the conversation
has run its course and there is nothing more to be said.
Bye Bye!
Gold BC| 3.26.10 @ 5:28PM
Not quite. In a rare moment of candor Romney has spilled the
beans. Romney complained Obama did not consult him in crafting
ObamaCare. "No one came to talk to me. It's very clear that
people thought they had the answer without getting the benefit of
the experiment."
AHA! This is akin to his father's remark in '67 he had been
"brainwashed" by the military and the diplomatic corps into
supporting the Vietnam War blowing his front runner presidential
candidacy right out of the water. Now the son, the unannounced
front runner, " Besides, he said, he hasn't decided whether to
run for president again” has blown his "virtual" candidacy right
out of the water too! Like father - like son the Romney's are
done. TRIPLE GOTCHA AGAIN!
Dominic| 3.11.10 @ 2:37AM
Romney is a fraud and a phony. He is pro-abortion and
pro-Obamacare. I just do not trust the man.
ml| 3.11.10 @ 7:06AM
Mitt Romney won't get my vote. He is not a true conservative.
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Tim| 3.10.10 @ 11:14AM
Tangled web.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 11:47AM
Romney says he isn't a candidate and won't make up his mind until the November elections...yet he releases a book, gives policy speeches and has multiple television appearances. He even had a hair tussle with Sky Blu. This man is so disingenuous and as for abortion, looks more at his deeds rather than his words. Here we go again. RomneyCare provides abortion on demand. Romney and his wife attended Planned Parenthood meetings and his wife made a donation. Romney invested in and profited fron embryonic stem cell research. Romney nominated a "Democrat" pro-abortion judge. Just scratching the surface Romney's pro-abortion legacy goes on and on and on.
Art Rahn| 3.10.10 @ 5:16PM
Very misleading comment - The abortion provision in the Mass. Health Insurance Plan was mandated by the courts, not bu Romney nor the legislature. As far as the judge was concerned, he was a favorite of the Democratic legislature who had the votes to overcome any Romey nomination. How do you know what stocks Romney invested in and what profits he made. This sounds like electioneeriong BS to me!!
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:00PM
He still could have refused to sign the bill.
Then if the Legislature overrode him, we would not be having this conversation.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:12PM
If Romney will lie about his abortion stance he will lie about anything.
I do not trust him.
Art Rahn| 3.10.10 @ 7:54PM
The purpose of the law was to insure that the residents of Mass were covered by health insurance , a plan which Romney and the Legislature had worked on for over a year. The provision for abortion was established in 1981.
In 1981, The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Ruled That The State Constitution Required Payment For Abortion Services For Medicaid-Eligible Women.
(Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)
- According To The Decision, When A State Subsidizes Medical Care, It Cannot Infringe On "The Exercise Of A Fundamental Right" Which The Court Interpreted As Access To Medically Necessary Abortion Services.
(Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)
- In 1997, The Supreme Judicial Court Reaffirmed Its Position That A State-Subsidized Plan Must Offer "Medically Necessary Abortions."
(Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, Inc. v. Attorney General, 1997). So what choice did he have? - Abandon the insurance plan for which everyone had worked so harf for?
Jeremiah| 3.10.10 @ 9:43PM
In a word--YES.
Obviously, Mitt was pro-abortion then, so why suddenly change now? Hmmm?
Art Rahn| 3.11.10 @ 7:59PM
Obvious;y?? The court forces a position upon you and that means you are in favor of it??
victor| 3.10.10 @ 9:57PM
Art,
He could have refused to sign the bill. A governor is not compelled to sign anything.
Jacob| 3.10.10 @ 12:01PM
"effectively" pro-choice. Mitt said he was 'effectively' pro-choice, but saying one is 'effectively' means you are not really pro-choice, because one is not saying one is pro-choice by putting 'effectively' in front of the word pro-choice -- doesn't mean one is pro-choice, or one isn't pro-choice. What it really means is one is 'effectively'. Yes, that means one is "effectively" a liar.
Mitt is into playing word games, Romneys word games are done to miss-lead, miss-direct, and spin like a weather-vane at Mitts digression to deceive the people he is speaking with.
Mitt is one twisted twister.
Maybe, Romney should go back to high school, and run for student body president. America doesn't need a man who plays word games like this.
Jane| 3.10.10 @ 12:12PM
Mr. Antle,
Grasp at straws much?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 12:29PM
You can't hide your spirit, Mr. Romney. Please do us all a favor. Don't run for President. Spare us another Ross Perot situation and let a decent man who is truly against abortion, with clear values and clear speech be the nominee.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:01PM
Or woman, as the case may be.
MK in Arizona| 3.10.10 @ 12:31PM
Good one Jane! Romney is the best qualified candidate (once he makes it official) to fix the ills of our country and get us back on track. Liberals see him as a huge threat so they find any little nitpicky thing they can and blow it out of porportion and spin it to try and smear Mitt. Americans are smarter than that and I personally can't wait to see a debate between Romney and Obama because Romney is so knowledgable on so many subjects that he will run circles around Obama. Romney in 2012!
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
In a debate the question I would pose to Romney assuming ObamaCare becomes law:
Will you as President do the following?
A. Spike ObamaCare and offer a new health care plan?
B. Spike ObamaCare and return to the old system?
C. Keep ObamaCare and let it grow to astronomical proportions?
Romney will respond I want a new health care system though effectively I like the old system. But in reality he keeps ObamaCare and claims he can effectively manage it better.
BostonJane| 3.10.10 @ 12:47PM
Romney is quite the man. But POTUS for 2012? Many in America are shaking their heads in doubt.
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/
Derek Leaberry| 3.10.10 @ 12:54PM
There is a dichotomy about Romney's prospects. On the one hand, Republicans tend to support vetted candidates in nominating presidents so Romney fits that bill. On the other hand, he is a slick chameleon who did so well last time mostly due to his not being the detestable John McCain. Romney is no true conservative and is likely to disappoint on issues like homosexual "rights", abortion and immigration. He will not only not get my vote, I would vote for Obama over Romney and go to Confession the next day to cleanse my sin.
annette| 3.10.10 @ 1:13PM
Romney would be a decent VP choice for President Palin.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:13PM
Love it!
bc3b| 3.10.10 @ 1:16PM
Mitt Romney would be ideally suited to be president if solving the nation's problems involved hiring a hedge fund manager to sell off blocks of states to foreign countries.
After Obama finishes going down his path of destruction, we are going to need a president who has the courage to make difficult choices and lots of cuts. It will require someone who has the courage to stand up to the federal employee unions and say "We're going to have to start cutting pay and reducing benefits."
From avoiding Vietnam by doing missionary work in France, of all places, to constant flip-flops, when has Mitt Romney ever done anything courageous?
Gary| 3.10.10 @ 1:32PM
Romney is a loser. This guy spent a fortune last time only to come in third behind McCain and that idiot Huckabee.
Willard needs to go away. He made a mess as Governor with RomneyCare, and will only grow government if allowed to be in office.
Maybe is he is real nice Sarah Palin will offer him the job of Treasury Secretary or appoint him Fed chair.
He is NOT POTUS material, Mitt is mid-management, at best.
There is only one person qualified to clean this mess up, because she has done it before. And she took down members of her own party to do it.
Romney is the GOP elites choice, Palin is the people's choice.
Annie| 3.10.10 @ 7:14PM
Excellent post. Thank you.
Derek Leaberry| 3.10.10 @ 1:32PM
Romney will never be able to balance the nation's books. If Romney put a meat-axe to the budget in 2013-14 the Republicans would lose 100 seats in the House. Better to let Obama drive the Democrats down for eight years and elect giant Republican majorities in the Congress. Better to force Obama to make massive budget cuts.
Eisenhower| 3.11.10 @ 12:25AM
I couldn't agree more! It seems the only way we're ever gonna get back to Limited Gov't is through Divided Gov't. Dems keep the White House for eight years, while the GOP gets control of Congress. 1990s here we come! Hooray! Too bad we're still screwed.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 2:04PM
If you're a single-issue voter, and that issue is abortion, and you're anti-abortion, and you don't trust Mitt Romney's anti-abortion stance, then don't vote for him.
Otherwise, I agree with the main thrust of his defense. That is, he's plainly anti-abortion now, and the length of time that he has held this position is largely irrelevant. It basically only comes into play when appointing Supreme Court justices, and he says he's not going to nominate a pro-choice judge.
The fact is, many politicians, like many Americans, have been painted into a corner on abortion. Many don't really care that much about abortion, one way or another. They just have to fake it, whether they're pro- or anti-abortion. Most of them would just like to see the abortion wars go away, one way or the other.
One of the worst political developments of the past 40 years has been the emergence of abortion as a moralising litmus test for candidates on either side of the issue.
By all means, ask candidates to state their position on abortion. But let's also recognize that the country is deeply divided on the issue, and it is not an issue central to the governance of the country.
Let's not run the country based on abortion, pro or con.
Derek Leaberry| 3.10.10 @ 2:33PM
If you think the moral decline of the country is more important than who runs Iraq, then by all means ignore abortion. As for me, the three most vital issues regarding America are 1) Third World immigration which is demographically transforming America, 2) America's moral decline and 3) America's race to fiscal ruin. If the Republicans do not which to address any of those three issues, what point is politics.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:39PM
Nice try, "Litmus Man." But no cigar. Sure sounds like Liberal Reader's using yet another new handle today!
You're a fraud. Quit trying to paint conservatives into the "single issue voter" corner.
Now why would you want to present Romney in a good light, as someone conservatives ought to vote for when you're nothing but a Leftist who could care less about electing a conservative candidate?
Don't bother answering. I already know. It's because you know darn well Romney would give us Obama II.
Like I said, nice try, Troll.
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 2:59PM
This is something the Romney camp might try to deflect from Romneys change 'length of time that he has held this position is largely irrelevant'. It is not much different than Romney getting on his high horse during the presidential debates and saying some have "Holier than thou" attitudes because they have been Pro-Life longer.
Sounds more like a test trial on how an excuse would fly.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:16PM
It is ridiculous and sad that the Liberals and Leftists actually believe that we peons (to them), cannot see through their phoniness.
Well the peons are waking up and it going to matter what they SAY. It matters what they do. "You shall know them by their fruits."
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:17PM
*oops. s/b "it isn't going to matter what they SAY."
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bb| 3.10.10 @ 2:13PM
Reading these comments on Romney reminds me of when as a youth I worked on a chicken farm. If a chicken had a slight discoloration on its comb, all the other chickens would peck at it until the chicke's head was so shreded and bloodied that had to be destroyed. If these are Republicans making these analyses, what happens (like the last time around) is that all the half-way acceptable candidates get destroyed and we end up getting the last one left as our nominee. Really stupid behavior in my opinion.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:24PM
Real people have opinions, bb. Conservatives don't want BS artists to be the nominee to begin with. That's why it's good to find out who they are and what they stand for so that we can let our voices be heard by VOTING with our feet. We don't want a pro-choice nominee, nor one who wants Socialist Health Care!
bb| 3.10.10 @ 4:06PM
The problem comes when those who want to "find out" already know the answer they want or are shallow in their criticism.
Romney has never been pro-choice. He has been tolerant of pro-choice because of a relative dieing from a botched abortion. He has also run for governor with a promise to accept and not try to change the existing laws on abortion. As a gvernor, how could he have changed the law anyway?
Also, Romney care is not Socialistic Medicine. It is in the provate sector. Having everyone insured for medical care does not make it socialized medicine. Requiring everyone who drives to have auto insurance doesn't make the auto accident repair business socialism.
You should not be taken in so easily by all the propoganda. And if you are the source of the propoganda, shame on you. You deserve what you help install.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:46PM
Why on earth would he be tolerant of abortion due to a botched abortion? I must be missing something there in my peon brain. Unless of course you'd be trying to justify abortion being legal because otherwise "the poor women would have to have back-alley" abortions or something? Then you'd be trying to rationalize. I don't go for that, sorry. God doesn't either. (I'm just going by His "Thou shalt not murder" Commandment).
Propaganda?
Why is it propaganda to not want a nominee for President who doesn't strongly voice his opposition to abortion? "From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." If he can't even take a stand with his words, against it, then he isn't against it. It's important enough because he would be responsible for nominating Supreme court Justices.
As for Romney-care not being Socialist? How else do you describe Health Ins. that is mandated by the government? Hmm?
So in all, perhaps your "you deserve what you help install" line applies more to you, than it does to me.
I'm looking to back true conservatives, and those 2 issues leave Romney in the dust as to nominee for President.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 6:32PM
Marjorie wrote:
[God doesn't either. (I'm just going by His "Thou shalt not murder" Commandment).
"From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." ]
I thought I detected some religious overtones to your bitter anti-Romney diatribe. That confirms what I suspected.
This far-right, over zealous, super-critical, religious bigotry is the achilles hill of some conservatives. It prevents cool, rational judgment. That more than any other problems we have will bring defeat in the next election.
What you forget are some other important parts of religion: "Judge not that ye be not judged." and "Blessed are the peacemakers." Read Matt. 5:22 where Jesus said that those who are overly critical and indulge in name calling are in danger of hell fire. Maybe you shouldn't be so selective in the parts of your religion you choose to emphasize.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:17PM
Obviously bb didn't like what I had to say so now I am a religious bigot. Par for the course.
Little bb: what will bring defeat in the next election is if we conservatives do not nominate a true conservative. One who does not believe in Socialist policies, and one who is also pro-life.
So stop being a liar and using the religious bigot card, ok?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:19PM
We have the right and the OBLIGATION to judge the person who could be our candidate for POTUS, moron.
Keep it up, Romneybot--you'll turn off all of us conservatives.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:15PM
bb:
"Requiring everyone who drives to have auto insurance doesn't make the auto accident repair business socialism."
That's the difference. You are only required to have auto insurance if you have a car, not if you ride in one.
By requiring everyone to buy health insurance, whether they see a doctor or not, whether they have a need for it or not, is Socialism.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 7:10PM
That may seem like a difference to you, but not much of a difference to me. The law that gives everyone the right to demand medical care in an emergency room, whether or not they have insurance or are able to pay, makes the public liable for their medical bills. One of the reasons medical expenses are so high is that many of the recipients of that care are not paying their share. If the law was changed so that those who can buy insurance, but won't, can be refused medical help, then I would say we don't need to ask eveyone to have insurance.
However, we won't allow ourselves to be that hard-hearted.
So the next best thing is to have a system where all who can participate in their medical expenses do so to the extent they are able.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:15PM
bb:
"Romney has never been pro-choice.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....on_stance/
He has been tolerant of pro-choice because of a relative dieing (sic) from a botched abortion.
"Romney's sister, Jane, recalled that the girl Romney cited in the debate was a teenager engaged to marry a relative of the Romneys' extended family."
If she was engaged to be married, why would she have to have an abortion?
And why would Romney use this event to justify abortion?
Why would he not work to create crisis pregnancy centers as others have?
Or use this event to promote abstinence?
Either would have been better than condoning abortion.
S.Hamilton| 3.10.10 @ 8:30PM
“Jane, recalled that the girl”, “Jane recalled”. Has one ever noticed the words people use? “Jane recalled.” …”was a teenager engaged to marry a relative of the Romneys' extended family. " So, the girl was engaged to a Romney relative, as she recalls. O.k.
Let’s tell the truth, a Romney relative got a teen age girl pregnant, instead of marrying the girl he got pregnant, she died after an illegal abortion. I am holding off what I am really thinking on this story, which is full of holes. However, one thing it is NOT making me think better of any of the Romneys.
S.Hamilton| 3.10.10 @ 8:32PM
They are so use to covering up child sexual abuse, you would think it would catch up with them.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 8:43PM
"Either would have been better than condoning abortion. "
How has Romney condoned abortion?
Probably the same way we all have. The law allows it, and we haven't changed the law yet.
We may not like it, but that is presently the law.
Did you want him to go blow up an abortion clinic to prove he doesn't like abortion?
Do you think being a governor promising not to change the law on abortion (which he couldn't do anyway) means he is pro abortion?
As he has pointed out, whenever an issue came up where he had an opportunity to affect the action of the government with respect to life, he has ruled in favor of life.
He was not in the congress and he was not on the supreme court, so why do you insist on hanging the abortion rap on him?
This is such an overblown issue.
Earl| 3.10.10 @ 9:11PM
Missing the issue, the issues is Romney is over-blown. Neither the right ,or the left like Romney. He is a people user, disingenuous, dishonest. Romney is a man who cannot be trusted. That is the issue.
Jeremiah| 3.10.10 @ 9:55PM
Exactly!
Dishonest. Disingenuous. Untrustworthy. Not exactly recommendations for POTUS!
victor| 3.10.10 @ 10:22PM
Not unless you are a democrat and then they are resume enhancements.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 10:28PM
bb:
"Do you think being a governor promising not to change the law on abortion (which he couldn't do anyway) means he is pro abortion?"
Yes, because he would not be able to overturn Roe v Wade, he could still propose and sign laws that would restrict abortions.
That was the same accusation, though in reverse, that was made against Bret Schundler in 2001 in NJ.
The lib media and moderate republicans all said he would overturn Roe v Wade, though he had not the power to do so.
He still proclaimed himself solidly and absolutely Pro-Life.
The abortion rap is justly earned for Romney.
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Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 2:29PM
'length of time that he has held this position is largely irrelevant' posted by the Litmus Man.
Romney has not only changed on abortion. The issues with Romney far exceed his changing views on abortion. Romney has made himself
'irrelevant' by his continual disrespect for the American public and Romney continual disingenuous statements on many topics.
Stating many politicians have been backed into the corner on abortion, is a cop-out. Let's rephrase this statement. There are politicians which want the backing and support from Pro-Life supporters, and are willing to use this group of political activists to gain office, these same politicians, when it is to there advantage are willing to use Pro-Choice activists to gain office when it is to their advantage to do so.
No one has forced Mitt to be Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, Romney is merely a disingenuous and manipulative individual who is lusting after a political office.
Romney has attempted to gain popularity by injecting his paranoid fears on to the public, while down playing his own lack of creditability.
Litmus Man posting "the length of time that he has held this position is largely irrelevant" is as relevant as Romney saying he is 'effectively'. It is deception, plain and simple -- a snake oil salesman.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 2:51PM
Good grief there are more than 17 million people unemployed in this country and Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the Democratic Party are on a course to increase that number for years to come.
This country voted for the most pro-abortion POTUS ever when they elected Obama so I hardly think Mitt will have a problem with this.
If American's are too stupid the second time around in 2012 to skip a man like Romney who actually understands geopolitcial economics and how America is to remain at the forefront well then...I guess we can talk about abortion on the unemployment line and over a meal soup at the nearest soup kitchen.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:07PM
Troll. You don't fool us darlin'.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:14PM
Margie dearie, quit talking to trolls.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:21PM
sheryl, leave our website and Margie won't have to.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:14PM
Let Romney return to his roots...Detroit, Michigan and apply his geopolitical economic theorems. His father virtually marched with civil rights protesters and now he can virtually stand in the unemployment/soup kitchen lines.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:23PM
Thank you for your truthful posts, Cris. Your candor is appreciated here.
higgins1990| 3.10.10 @ 2:51PM
RomneyCare should be enough of a lead weight chained to his ankles that will pull him down to a fourth place finish in Iowa and an early departure. Now if only Palin and Suckabee would go away...
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:20PM
Sorry pal, but Palin's not going anywhere.
Partial to Paul are you?
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
sheryl don't use the name in vane. sheryl would never vote for Mitt.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:13PM
I voted for Mitt in the GOP primary. I will again in 2012.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:24PM
And he'll lose again in 2012. lol
Lavaux| 3.10.10 @ 3:05PM
I'll cut Romney some slack for being "effectively pro-choice" because he's pro-life now and couldn't have changed Roe v. Wade as Governor of MA even if he wanted to. Sure, he could have broken his campaign promise and proposed legislation to hinder abortions, but if I recall correctly he had a liberal Democrat state legislature to contend with during his tenure. No, I'll forgive the guy now that he's on the side of Right.
Don't forget, some of the most effective conservative thinkers and writers are former socialists, e.g. David Horowitz and John Podhoretz. Their take on socialist ideology benefits from their personal experience with it, lending their work additional weight. Maybe Romney should take his cue from them and fashion a spiel of like kind re having been "effectively pro choice".
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:12PM
It isn't just the abortion issue. Didn't Romney want Universal healthcare in MA?
Using Horowitz as an example is false for the very reason that David Horowitz IS the real thing. He did have a true conversion. His life shows it.
If Romney says one thing but does another, that's what the voters look at.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:19PM
Romney wanted everyone insured in MA Margie.
If Romneycare was so evil why didn't Scott Brown or Coakly for that matter ever distance themselves from it in the latest election.
Maybe becausse their internally polling?
Seems like an imperical fact that someone has to grapple with before they starting throwing out anti Romney talking points like you do here Margie dearie.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:28PM
We'll see. The people will do the voting. I speak my mind as you do. The only difference is, I'm not a liberal troll in disguise.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:39PM
Oh what no bad words to say about Scott Brown, Margie dearie?
BTW, all your little name calling is factual evidence of why so many of the so called elitist like myself in the conservative party cringe.
Name calling is anti-intellectual, unproductive and cheapens conservative causes.
My guess is that you tattoo people with the label RINO pretty frequently as well.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:46PM
You're an elitist? Why, who'da thunk it? ;^)~
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:04PM
The "conservative party?" Which party would that be, LibRead?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:27PM
If it governs like a liberal and talks like a liberal, it's a liberal, sheryl.
RINOs are a pox on our Conservative values--go back to the democrat party where you belong.
bb| 3.10.10 @ 4:28PM
Two can play that game. Suppose we say "you are an anti-Mormon bigot in disguise"?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:28PM
Ah, yes, identity politics--all you liberals play that game.
Sorry, doesn't work with us: Romney is a moral weather-vane and we're not interested.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:44PM
sheryl:
"Romney wanted everyone insured in MA Margie."
Then he should have worked to make it easier for those who wanted it or needed to buy health insurance.
He could have worked to reduce or eliminate the 52 mandated coverages that spanned from drug abuse to contraception to hearing screening to chiropractic to podiatrists.
Apparently he believes that we should be covered for nearly any eventuality and we should not covere any costs ourselves.
What about basic coverage in the same vein that I can get for my car.
My wife and I pay $737 a year.
We pick what we need and that is the way it should be with medical insurance.
Look at your policy and see what you are paying for that you will never use.
Acupuncture, smoking cessation, prostate screening, autism, hearing aids?
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Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:25PM
You have forgotten Romney's association with Planned Parenthood hardly a pargon for right to life values:
Gave Planned Parenthood a permanent seat on a Mass. state board.
Attended Planned Parenthood fundraiser where his wife donated $150.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:27PM
Typo: paragon for right to life values.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:12PM
bb,
Thanks for your good homespun wisdom.
A lot of the other chickens on this thread want to peck Romney to death and give us another McCain so they can go home and polish their consciences after another Republican defeat.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:23PM
Voting for a Republican in name only will give us Obama II and you know it. Conservatives won't be voting for for anymore Liberal Republicans. No matter how you try and spin the voters.
Lying troll.
Boston Jane| 3.10.10 @ 3:28PM
“Too often people believe they are using their minds intelligently while in fact they are just using circular thinking.” Like the man said "he (Romney) can't resist insulting people's intelligence”, and that is exactly what your posts are doing Lavaux, Litmus Man and sheryl
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:49PM
WTF? LOL!! BJ,circular thinking really? Do you even have the slightest idea what you are talking about or you just throwing out lingo that you think sounds smart.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:30PM
What would you know about 'smart' lingo?
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:35PM
The internet is a beautiful thing...duplicitous/ charlatan politicians are having a hard time...it spiked Kerry in '04, Willard and Hillary in '08 and Willard again in '12.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:48PM
Obviously rewriting history is another one of your fortes.
McCain was chosen by the fringe liberals in the open primaries.
I didn't support McCain in 2000 when he ran the first time and I sure as heck did not support him in 2008.
And I didn't vote for him either, I voted for Palin.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:29PM
It seems that anyone who doesn't share Margie's opinion is vilified as a 'troll', lying or otherwise. Nice.
Seig Heil!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:34PM
Cutsey.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 3:49PM
Margie the troll hunter!
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:06PM
That would be "Margie the RINO troll hunter!"
Smile when you say that.
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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Mitt Romney: Pro-Choice? Who … capital univers links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
idaho joe| 3.10.10 @ 3:35PM
I believe Romney is a good man and would make a good President. He has at times changed his mind on some topic's but you tell me who hasn't. I believe he has the knowledge to turn this economy around and put us on the road to recovery. I also like Palin. Either one of these potential candidates would be a huge improvement over what we have now. If we don't stop ragging on those who will oppose the great one in 2012 then we will get more of the same hope and change until 2016 and that is a fact you can take to the bank.
Jacob | 3.10.10 @ 3:45PM
you forgot to say " I am Idaho Joe, and work for Mitt Romney"
idaho joe| 3.10.10 @ 4:05PM
I haven't attached my horse to any team yet jacob. But that time is coming and I will get behind who I feel will serve our nations best interest. And at this point I like what Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin are saying. It would be a slam dunk victory in 2012 if these to were to run on the same ticket. Romney/Palin or Palin /Romney, ethier way its a winner
Jacob| 3.10.10 @ 6:50PM
Your a Romney troll, no doubt
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:32PM
The paid Romneybots are out in full force!
Mitt's got deep pockets that's for sure.
Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 3:53PM
Nip it in the bud Joe, now is the time to rag just like the Tea Partiers are doing...winnowing out phony conservatives like Crist and Romney.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 4:00PM
I don't think you have a clue what a phony conservative is. You don't sound like anything but an arbiter of Romney hatred.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:05PM
Phony Conservatives are really Moderates and Social Liberals that pretend otherwise.
Are you Pro-Life?
Are you Pro-Second Amendment?
Are you Pro-School Vouchers?
Are you Pro-Property Rights?
Are you Pro-Free Enterprise?
Are you Pro-Smaller Government?
Are you Pro-Flat Tax?
Hate Romney? Never!
Hate his policies? Darn Right!
Bill| 3.10.10 @ 6:53PM
ROTFL.... Ouch! Is that suppose to hurt saying Romney hater? It doesn't. Go play in your sandbox, it is obvious you are not grown up yet.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 3:49PM
Can't find 'cutsey' in my troll dictionary.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:34PM
Bet you can't find 'cute' in the mirror, either, moron.
Rachel| 3.10.10 @ 4:07PM
He was in love with Massachsetts gun-control before he became an NRA member (a year or so ago)...he created personal mandate universal health insurance, he was pro-choice before he wasn't...yeah, he "changed" his mind on a couple of "paltry" issues...he's really a "conservative"...
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Rob| 3.10.10 @ 4:24PM
While we bash Romney for his change on abortion, why don't we all disavow Ronald Reagan as well? Reagan actually did sign pro-choice legislation while the governor of CA, AND raised taxes. His son Michael recently spoke at a Lincoln Day event in Idaho and told the crowd that his father would never have been elected these days because so many people require purity tests and perfection from the candidates. Just a thought.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 4:42PM
That's right. Margie, Cris and Rachel would slamming Reagan.
Their ideology is fringe at best.
I can't wait for the day when we discuss, after the 2012 election, about Romney Democrats like we recall the Reagan Democrats now. And how Mitt turned around all those Obama Republicans as well.
Big tent is where it's at, not the fringes.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 4:58PM
sheryl/Liberal Reader:
You may be excellent in your twisted lying to some who may be fooled. But a very tiny percent, I'm sure.
But it IS very interesting to see that you want Romney to be the nominee so very badly. Quite revealing!
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 5:10PM
Margie,
What is the lie? Reagan was pro-choice and raised taxes in CA. He even talked about it. Why the accusations of lying? If you don't like Romney, I could care less. I don't have a dog in the hunt yet (although I'm interested in Mitch Daniels, the governor of IN.). My point is only that Romney is not the only politician to have converted to the pro-life cause, and I have yet to see the level of vitriol aimed at Reagan for a similar conversion. (his conversion was convenient as well, around the time he ran for president the first time in 1968.)
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 5:13PM
You forgot to end your comment with muuaahhaaaa!
Margie you are a tiny percent don't fool yourself.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:36PM
sheryl, you're the fool; Margie is part of the republican majority. You're the one who is nothing.
victor| 3.10.10 @ 5:52PM
Rob:
" Reagan actually did sign pro-choice legislation while the governor of CA,"
For the record, there was no such thing as "Pro-Choice" in 1966.
He reluctantly signed a law that permitted "therapeutic" abortions on the assertion that 300 women would commit suicide if they were denied an abortion. He signed it, but later Reagan was left with a sense of guilt. "If there is a question as to whether there is life or death, the doubt should be resolved in favor of life."
This canard was started by Romney to justify Romney's position of "Por-Choice" and an alliance with Planned Parenthood in the 90's.
Since Reagan was NEVER Pro-Abortion, there would be no reason for any such "purity" test.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 6:05PM
"Since Reagan was NEVER Pro-Abortion"
Except when:
"He reluctantly signed a law that permitted "therapeutic" abortions"
victor| 3.10.10 @ 6:23PM
The law a measure to allow pregnant women to terminate embryos prejudicial to their "physical or mental health." Reagan had to admit that he agreed with "the moral principle of self-defense."
Unfortunately abortion became an extension of welfare, and Reagan wished he had paid more head to the bill's manipulative language. The very word "Therapeutic" was a medical euphemism, sanitizing essentially bloody procedures.
That is what Romney's erstwhile allies, Planned Parenthood did and still does.
Reagan was NEVER Pro-Choice!
Reagan never allied himself with those murderers.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:40PM
We're not talking about Reagan here, people--we're talking about Romney--and Romney can't hold a candle to the great Ronald Reagan. Nice try at obfuscation, though, RINO trolls; you sound like liberals.
The more I read about Mitt Romney, the more I dislike him. Keep telling the truth, folks--don't back down from the threats and lies of the Myth Romneybots!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 5:23PM
"Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." - Ronald Reagan 1982
I'm a Reagan conservative. He was not pro-choice.
Trying to compare him to Romney is a joke and utterly disingenuous, as is trying to shove myself and the other posters here who say what we think about Romney.
Liars, you will not prevail!
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 5:55PM
Margie,
Reagan signed the therapeutic abortion act in CA. (1967) While the purpose was supposedly to only allow abortions for suicidal women and women whose lives were in danger, you can see how well that worked out. Romney didn't sign anything expanding abortion rights. Even the Masscare act only maintained the status quo. So if you objectively compare their records, Reagan did more to expand abortion that Romney ever did. I'm not saying this to demean Reagan, perhaps he really believed that only unhealthy/suicidal women would have abortions, but I am sure you are aware of how many abortions are performed under the guise of the "health of the mother." I consider myself a Reagan Republican as well. You can throw quotes around as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Reagan signed an act into law which essentially paved the way for thousands of abortions. If you don't want to call that pro-choice, I won't argue with you about semantics. However, it's disingenuous to claim that Romney could not have "converted" to the pro-life cause, but Reagan could have when the record clearly shows that both men did. You can call me a liar all you want. I could care less.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:42PM
If you don't care why do you keep posting in defense of Romney? Leave Reagan out of this.
Reagan wasn't a liar, Romney is.
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Lori| 3.10.10 @ 5:30PM
James Antle is parsing words here. Shall I do the same? Romney is correct, he never called himself pro-choice prior to being governor. He did not see himself that way. He was not a politician so it really had no value what he called himself. Only in retrospect he analyzes that he was effectively pro-choice back then. So what, Antle?
You are picking a fight for no reason. Get over it. What does it matter so many years ago? Why keep bringing it up? He would still make a better president than we have now and maybe the finest president ever.
Rob| 3.10.10 @ 6:10PM
Agreed, it's a sad day when a conservative website is going after one of their own in the same manner as Huffpo.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 6:18PM
What's sad is I think Margie, Victor and the like are Huckabee supporters and we are again going to see this kind of attack masking as a principled abortion stand when in fact it's simply an anti-Mormon stand.
Bill| 3.10.10 @ 6:58PM
Now it is Huckabee? sheryl, must be paranoid, no one brought up Anti-Mormon, no one brought up Huckabee. Romney always deflects to Anti-Mormon, or attacks on Huckabee when people see though the light of Mitt verbal gymnastics. Can't you stay on the subject and not good off into outer space?
It is your sandbox time now sheryl, don't forget you baby bottle, and teddy bear.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 7:22PM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, Bill.
Margie, you and Victor sound exactly like the Huckabee followers from 2008....the exact same.
These are actually talking points for some loon Iowa radio talk show hosts that grilled Ann Coulter a while back.
Rob gave Margie and Victor, etc.... logical, sane, factual reasons as to why someone should, when disavowing Romney on the abortion issue, they should also disavow Reagan because of his change on the issue.
But these folks won't have any of it. Reagan/Romney can't be the same in their tiny, infinitesimal, wee little worlds because their arguments crumble.
So why keep at it? Could there be a built in bigotry in someone to be so dogmatic and stubborn when presented facts?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:44PM
Typical liberal--bleat bigotry when you've been beaten by the facts.
Admit it--Margie beat you.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:04PM
margie didn't present facts. she presented a quote.
Rob gave margie and victor and all of you name callers a fact about Reagan that dispels your criticisms about Romney and abortion.
admit it missy, you don't have the first clue what a conservative or liberal is.
admit it missy. you, margie, victor are Steve Deace type extremists that plan to infect real conservatism and a Republican resurgence that this country desperatly needs.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:40PM
Sheryl/LiberalReader:
Ahh, "real conservatism" Tsk tsk little troll.
Now~~ tell us plainly, who are the real conservatives?
You just admitted, below that you want a pro-choice candidate. Is that what you call real conservatism?
Hey pipsqueak, do you have a conscience?
If anyone is causing an infection in the Republican party it is liars like you, who call themselves Republican, yet want to keep abortion legal!
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:57PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:07PM
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate wat I stand for? I doubt that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:56PM
And who is Steve Deace?
And what does Reagan have to do with Romney?
Reagan was not pro-choice. Romney, well we don't know? What is the farcical game playing here all about? Maybe I get it. If sheryl can "prove" that Reagan was somehow pro-choice then that would mean we HAVE to vote for Romney, I guess. In her mind it is a must, then.
Because somehow, if Reagan was really pro-choice, it's ok for Romney to be?
Convoluted!
Conservatives want a pro-life candidate who is also anti-Socialism. NO government take over of our Health Care.
Call us what you will. LIE all you want, but THAT is what REAL conservatives want.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:09PM
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:03PM
Wow! Boo hoo!! Poor widdle sheryl: She can throw the nasty dirt but can't take it when it's thrown back in her face. Toughen up little spoiled RINO girl. lol
Good job, Margie--Mythbots like sheryl are a dime a dozen.
BTW, sheryl--Myth will lose this time, too! Just wait and see.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:20PM
If you don't agree with a Liberal (Leftist) they:
Pull the bigot card.
Pull the "you're not a true conservative card."
Pull the "You're an extremist fringe" card.
When all else fails, pull the "you're a sanctimonious moron" card.
~From the get-go I said the precise reason conservatives wouldn't want a pro-choice nominee, nor a person who wants government run healthcare. That alone got me categorized by this liar as all of the above.
Typical.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:06PM
sheryl/LibReader:
You really ought to stop the lying pipsqueak. That DOES make you a pipsqeak, you know. Lying, that is. Actually it makes you a lot worse than a pipsqeak but I'm practicing what you elitists call "civility" and reeeeeaasoned response.
Now you are playing the Obama card are you? Well that's too bad because you are revealing who and what you truly are.
What I wonder though, is why you Leftists choose to be, and I mean choose, to be mentally ill? You claim tolerance and free speech and that nobody's letting you do so but when it comes to conservatives you have to lie, and play the bigot card?
That would make you not only a liar, but a hypocrite.
I would not want to be you!
p.s. If Romney or any other person is going to run for the office of the Presidency, and are not pro-life, and are for Socialized medicine, I would not want them to be the nominee. Because that is not good for the country, and that's what I care about. That would make them EXACTLY like Obama, who I objected to, for the very same reasons. And typical of Leftists you played the race card then, and are still doing so now.
The question for others to ask is this: Why is it that Leftists want Romney to be the nominee?
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:10PM
One more time for the Gipper:
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:07PM
What's with the kinky troll's unnatural obsession with Mountain Dew and canned cheese?
Bigot much, sheryl?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
I guess I hit the proverbial nerve with "sheryl." The fraud isn't conservative at all. She/he wants a pro-life candidate. She likes Romney for that. Anyone who isn't for him she/he will try to paint into an "extremist." Typical Leftist tactics. Conservatives will nominate a pro-life candidate. You can bet on it. Sorry, "sheryl."
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:29PM
God bless you and don't let up, Margie; someone has to stand up for the voiceless innocents. If not us, then who?
Obviously, Myth the RINO only cares about unborn babies when it will get him votes. What an awful man, a political prostitute of the worst kind.
Yuck!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 10:38PM
*s/b she wants a pro-choice candidate, above.
Litmus Man| 3.10.10 @ 7:14PM
Margie,
You ask, "Why is it that Leftists want Romney to be the nominee?"
It's because he has the best hair.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:45PM
And the best lies; liberals love lies.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 7:48PM
Ha! Well, I do know that Liberals judge by outward appearances.
Who did you want the nominee to be for President? I was hoping for Fred Thompson. I really wish we didn't have open primaries because this is why McCain became the nominee. Imagine if we could be saying "President Thompson" right now. Do you agree?
victor| 3.10.10 @ 7:51PM
President Fred Dalton Thompson would sure as heck sound real nice about now.
A far sight better than that slacker layabout that we have now.
bluecollarbytes| 3.10.10 @ 7:16PM
I've thought we could do much worse than Mitt Romney. He's competent, and I assume a serious/sober-minded human who would defend this country against our enemies.
But so much time needs to be spent on Romney 'clarifying' his previous stands that I wonder if what ever is left in the good moderate is worth the effort? Romney should have been well past refining 'the product' by now, leaving him to concentrate on the Democrat-bashing this country needs.
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I spoke with a Mormon about abortion. According to this guy, abortion or the 'right to life' is Not a Mormon doctrine. It may be a personal 'value' held by individual Mormons but nothing in the faith precludes one from taking the human life in the womb. It might shed light on Romney's casual approach towards abortions.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 7:46PM
True. Romney the 'clarifier'--doesn't inspire trust or confidence.
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:03PM
Mormons are famous for their big families. So I think we can all assume they are "pro-life". I agree with Mrs. Romney, the proof is in the pudding.
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
Myth lies a lot and there's plenty of 'pudding' around to prove it.
Moron.
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:00PM
I am so tired of this nonsense about pro-choice and pro-life. The fact is that 95% of the population wants abortion to be legal, no matter what they term themselves. The great majority of that 95% want it to be rare or unusual, but of course there will always be some people who abuse the procedure and use it as birth control. Reagan, nor any other "pro-life" president ever offered up a bill to Congress to make abortion illegal. I'm quite sure that Romney wants abortion to be an unusual circumstance as most of us do. That places Romney well within the majority of thought in America on this subject.
Sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 8:25PM
Well said. It's so nice to end my viewing of this blog today with your post!
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:33PM
So really that's what it's all about with "sheryl". She wants a to keep abortion legal and wants a pro-choice candidate. So sheryl, why couldn't you just have come out and said it?
Instead you have to lie about others and try to paint them in a bad light.
Typical Leftist pipsqueak.
sheryl| 3.10.10 @ 9:06PM
I don't want women to get abortions and would advocate that a woman choose adoption but I'm not going to tell them what to do with their lives.
Now go choke back a Mountain Dew and some canned cheese you pathetic moronic boob. If Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd hate what you stand for as much as I do and I'm sure Sarah Palin couldn't stand the sight of you either.
You are nothing but a mean, angry, sanctimonious extremist.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:11PM
And again:
One more time for the Gipper:
In your sanctimonious lying you are repeating yourself.
So I will repeat what I said in return to you:
Really sheryl? Ronald Reagan would hate what I stand for? I doubt that, since I agree with him. But I doubt he'd appreciate you trying to claim he was pro-choice, sheryl. You're a liar.
And who is sanctimonious?
Now go crawl back under your rock.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 8:30PM
95% of the population wants abortion legal? Really? Where did you get that from? A MSNBC poll?
dougx| 3.10.10 @ 8:50PM
That's my unscientific poll based on my observations of Americans in general and in the specific for my entire life. The real pro-life people are actually the Mormons and the Amish, some Catholics, and a minority of Protestants. Romney is solidly pro-life and pro-family. The man has 5 children and many grandchildren. That's enough proof for me. Whether or not he wants to dictate his values to other people is apparently the topic on this forum.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:02PM
Well get back to us with a true percentage when you can.
Sorry but conservatives won't nominate someone who isn't clear on his stance against abortion. Nor will we nominate a person who thinks taking over our economy through government run Health care and any other Socialist programs is acceptable.
That's just reality.
Ann| 3.10.10 @ 8:34PM
Not as tired as people are with the Romneys
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:16PM
Unfortunately for Myth Romney the liar, his constant flip flopping does NOT put him well within the majority of thought among Conservative Americans.
Therein lies the electability problem for Myth.
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Survivor| 3.10.10 @ 9:38PM
Dear Margie,
Glad to see that you've got internet access wired up in your bomb shelter. Need any more canned goods or bottled water?
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 9:49PM
As a matter of fact, we are running low on Spam, (though I prefer caviar-beluga), kidney beans and Evian.
Can you send some over?
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:18PM
Doubt it, Margie--the loser is probably a crackhead and the 'fridge' is bare.
Gold BC| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
A few passing thoughts:
Think again...American conservatives have at long last woken up. "Phony Conservative" Crist once way ahead of Rubio is now way behind Rubio. "Phony Conservative" Romney the favorite to win the CPAC poll ended up grasping for straws and was beaten by Ron Paul. Lest not we forget...Romney had is chance in '08 and his record was found wanting....ESPECIALLY his social conservative credentials.
BULLETIN: CPAC Straw Poll Results
Fringe candidate 31% - Phony Conservative candidate 22%
Romney emphasized social issues in the last campaign...remember, but flips flopped his '08 campaign and as you can read now will torpedo his '12 campaign.
Since it was mentioned, Romney tried to dodge the Mormon thing with a speech he gave with great style but no substance back in Dec '07. It failed because he refused to tell us how the Mormon religion impacts both his private and political life. Also he needs to address his role as a stakeholder in the church. What does stakeholder mean? What jobs has he performed as stakeholder? What are his duties and responsibilities as stakeholder? It’s such a contrast between what the Mormon Church stands for - conservative on social issues and Romney who is liberal on social issues.
Romney reminds me of another Mass. pol named John F. Kerry. Kerry and Romney like to flip flop issues that's obvious but also fudge things in a very clever subtle way. One note; Kerry told a compelling story for years when as skipper of a swift boat in SE Asia he was ordered into Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968 by the President of the United States. He later mentions who the President was...Richard Milhous Nixon...trouble was the President of the United States on Dec. 24, 1968 was not Nixon but Lyndon Baines Johnson in fact Kerry never was in Cambodia in the first place. GOTCHA!
On November 9, 2004 Romney says he had a pro-life conversion during a meeting with an embryonic stem-cell researcher yet in 2005 Romney nominated to the Massachusetts district court a pro-abortion Democrat and in 2006 Romney gave a permanent seat on the health payment policy advisory board to Planned Parenthood. GOTCHA AGAIN!
Missy| 3.10.10 @ 10:20PM
Romney's a slick, oily, used-car salesman politician with all the charisma of a cardboard cutout action figure. Oh, he lies, too.
PCC| 3.11.10 @ 2:12AM
It has been my observation that when the 'skechers man' shows up in the comments section, it is a sure sign that the conversation has run its course and there is nothing more to be said.
Bye Bye!
Gold BC| 3.26.10 @ 5:28PM
Not quite. In a rare moment of candor Romney has spilled the beans. Romney complained Obama did not consult him in crafting ObamaCare. "No one came to talk to me. It's very clear that people thought they had the answer without getting the benefit of the experiment."
AHA! This is akin to his father's remark in '67 he had been "brainwashed" by the military and the diplomatic corps into supporting the Vietnam War blowing his front runner presidential candidacy right out of the water. Now the son, the unannounced front runner, " Besides, he said, he hasn't decided whether to run for president again” has blown his "virtual" candidacy right out of the water too! Like father - like son the Romney's are done. TRIPLE GOTCHA AGAIN!
Dominic| 3.11.10 @ 2:37AM
Romney is a fraud and a phony. He is pro-abortion and pro-Obamacare. I just do not trust the man.
ml| 3.11.10 @ 7:06AM
Mitt Romney won't get my vote. He is not a true conservative.
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