My friend Robert Stacy McCain is a great reporter, but he really
needs to stick with topics he has a longer history covering,
rather than just parachuting in to a state (that he was not
covering or living in at the time) and
buying a pig in a poke. On Monday I will have a full-length
answer to his column on Alabama politics, on the main page of
this site. For now, though, let me just say that Tim James is no
angel, and that GOP front-runner Bradley Byrne is a solid fiscal
conservative, as is current Gov. Bob Riley, despite McCain's
suggestions to the contrary.
Well, Quin, I didn't assert that Tim James was an angel, but he
was opposed to Bob Riley's $1 billion tax hike, which wasn't
exactly the kind of policy a "fiscal conservative" could be
expected to support, as Bradley Byrne did.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 2:43PM
Re the tax plan, all will be explained in due course, my
friend... on Monday. Context, my friend, context.
I do live in the state: Billion dollar tax increases are not
fiscally conservative in these parts. I'd don't know how you plan
portray either Riley or Byrne as fiscal conservatives, but I'll
await your article with great interest.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 3:11PM
Mr. Hillyer,
I'm with Mr. McCain on this one.
I remember Gov. Riley's attempt to raise taxes in Alabama. Human
Events covered it quite well.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 3:25PM
With all due respect, our usually wonderful friends at Human
Events, along with the entire national media, did a pathetic job
covering the issue. Pathetic. There is a difference between
ideology imposed from above as a one-size-fits-all, context-less,
radicalized mind-lock, and political philosophy applied on the
ground to particular facts in particular situations based on
empirical data. Human Events and other national outlets
unforutnately fell prey to unthinking ideology. Eric Hoffer
warned against blind ideology in his classic "The True Believer."
President Reagan gave Hoffer the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Strict ideology is the province of Jacobins. Sound and principled
philosophy applied with care is the province of Madisonians. I'll
stick with Madison, thank you.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 3:59PM
Look forward to your side of the story.
I'm not immune to having my mind changed.
A J Nock| 2.12.10 @ 10:31PM
I believe in basic principles,your drive by
shooting of people who don't believe in
giving an inch doesn't impress me.Ronald
Reagan is a good example.He signed three
major tax increases in California.Including
one in his first year in office.Result of eight
years of Reagan as governor?Higher taxes,
higher after inflation indexed spending.As
president he had one major tax cut.Then a
series of tax increases,including two or three
major ones.The social security commission he
signed off on was especially pernicious since it
canceled out the income tax cuts for working
and middle to upper-middle class people AND
set us up for a social security crises that dwarfs
what we faced in the early '80's.There is only
one answer to calls for higher taxes-demand to
cut spending instead.
Of course the best conservative candidate for Gov of Alabama is
Roy Moore. I have heard good things about James, also. At least
James' father stood up to the Feds on behalf of Roy Moore. Unlike
Riley who did nothing to protect the States' Rights of Alabama
against the meddling Feds.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 4:01PM
Mr. Phillips,
On Roy Moore, we completely agree, sir.
Albert A. Turner| 2.12.10 @ 4:03PM
Roy Moore is a one trick pony that does not have a clue. Byrne is
a democrat/rino/Crist/Riley type. Tim James might be ok. Might be
is the operative word here. I look forward to your report, also.
"Roy Moore is a one trick pony that does not have a clue."
Roy Moore is a philosophically grounded across the board
conservative.
Ben| 2.12.10 @ 9:44PM
Sorry, but conservatives do not defy federal court orders,
particularly conservative judges. Bill Pryor -- the heroic state
attorney general who put Moore's self-promoting antics to an end
by relieving him of his duties -- is a true conservative.
Nick| 2.13.10 @ 2:05PM
Sorry, but conservatives believe in FEDERALISM.
The federal court had no jurisdiction in that case. That is why
Roy Moore defied their unconstitutional interference.
Cliff| 2.13.10 @ 3:44PM
Roy Moore wasn't talking about federalism, he was, essentially,
talking about anti-federalism. The Federalists believed in the
supremacy of the federal government in areas where it was
sovereign. The Anti-Federalists did not.
Oh yes they do if the court orders are unconstitutional. It's
called nullification and interposition. Ever heard of the
Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions?
Ben, you wouldn't know conservatism if it bit you on the rear.
The First Amendment was not intended to apply to the States. It
says "Congress shall make no law..." Therefore, the only entity
who can violate the First Amendment is Congress when they make a
law. A judge in Alabama couldn't violate the First Amendment if
he tried. It's called original intent. It is what authentic
conservatives believe. Study up on it.
Jacobinism on the "right" is nowhere more apparent than in the
global crusading for democracy trumpeted by the interventionist
crowd. So Quin, does this mean you are abandoning interventionism
and joining us non-interventionists?
Quin, Stacy: The two of you are both my Godfathers in this
blogging thing of ours, so you will understand if I stay out
of this one.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 4:42PM
Bob, don't worry, it's a friendly dispute, and you need not take
sides. I am and always have been on the unpopular side on this
on, and plead merely for a fair reading of my Monday column so
that folks will understand there wasn't a single, indisputable,
conservative position on the tax issue in Alabama. My goal is to
explain why the 2003 tax issue should have NO BEARING on this
year's race, because there were excellent reasons for
conservatives to be on either side of that issue.
Henry Butler| 2.12.10 @ 11:57PM
An interesting piece....I look forward to a more critical
examination of Alabama's candidates for Governor...but let's be
honest. Tim James has done very little in his life that did not
depend on his father's influence and deep pockets. There is a
skunk under the bridge deal that needs to be disclosed openly and
I have no doubt some candidate will discuss this at an
appropriate time. Yes, he did sell the bridge because he was
losing his ass on it and the who and how of that will make good
copy as well. As far as Riley goes, he has overstayed his welcome
in Alabama and the possibility exists that he could be prosecuted
for the millions he has taken from the Indian casino interests if
the right people will talk. I have no dog in this fight but it
would be helpful to have an unbiased review. Finally, I am
hopeful that the true conservatives in this state will not
blindly follow the lead of the Republican party but insist that
the Republican party follow their lead. Thank you for a
well-written and thoughtful site.
Henry, this is a most sensible statement: "Finally, I am hopeful
that the true conservatives in this state will not blindly follow
the lead of the Republican party but insist that the Republican
party follow their lead. "
We'll see what happens.
clay barham| 2.13.10 @ 11:43AM
What you are seeing in the Tea Party movement is a movement back
toward the 19th century Democrats, the only truly functioning
libertarian party in America that followed Jefferson and Madison,
unlike modern Democrats who prefer Rousseau and Marx, when the
people do not. See The Changing Face of Democrats on Amazon and
claysamerica.com.
Ned Chipley| 2.14.10 @ 8:23AM
I'm a Texan -- appreciating the reasoned debate going on at this
site. Way past time in ALL states of our great nation to start
investigating and getting back to the fundamentals of our nation
as embodied in our Constitution. Those principles are not
(apparently) understood or followed by our national leaders today
-- or in previous administrations. Blessings on Sweet Home
Alabama!!
Robert Stacy McCain| 2.12.10 @ 2:29PM
Well, Quin, I didn't assert that Tim James was an angel, but he was opposed to Bob Riley's $1 billion tax hike, which wasn't exactly the kind of policy a "fiscal conservative" could be expected to support, as Bradley Byrne did.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 2:43PM
Re the tax plan, all will be explained in due course, my friend... on Monday. Context, my friend, context.
Stephen Gordon| 2.12.10 @ 2:53PM
Quin,
I do live in the state: Billion dollar tax increases are not fiscally conservative in these parts. I'd don't know how you plan portray either Riley or Byrne as fiscal conservatives, but I'll await your article with great interest.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 3:11PM
Mr. Hillyer,
I'm with Mr. McCain on this one.
I remember Gov. Riley's attempt to raise taxes in Alabama. Human Events covered it quite well.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 3:25PM
With all due respect, our usually wonderful friends at Human Events, along with the entire national media, did a pathetic job covering the issue. Pathetic. There is a difference between ideology imposed from above as a one-size-fits-all, context-less, radicalized mind-lock, and political philosophy applied on the ground to particular facts in particular situations based on empirical data. Human Events and other national outlets unforutnately fell prey to unthinking ideology. Eric Hoffer warned against blind ideology in his classic "The True Believer." President Reagan gave Hoffer the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Strict ideology is the province of Jacobins. Sound and principled philosophy applied with care is the province of Madisonians. I'll stick with Madison, thank you.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 3:59PM
Look forward to your side of the story.
I'm not immune to having my mind changed.
A J Nock| 2.12.10 @ 10:31PM
I believe in basic principles,your drive by
shooting of people who don't believe in
giving an inch doesn't impress me.Ronald
Reagan is a good example.He signed three
major tax increases in California.Including
one in his first year in office.Result of eight
years of Reagan as governor?Higher taxes,
higher after inflation indexed spending.As
president he had one major tax cut.Then a
series of tax increases,including two or three
major ones.The social security commission he
signed off on was especially pernicious since it
canceled out the income tax cuts for working
and middle to upper-middle class people AND
set us up for a social security crises that dwarfs
what we faced in the early '80's.There is only
one answer to calls for higher taxes-demand to
cut spending instead.
Red Phillips| 2.12.10 @ 3:44PM
Of course the best conservative candidate for Gov of Alabama is Roy Moore. I have heard good things about James, also. At least James' father stood up to the Feds on behalf of Roy Moore. Unlike Riley who did nothing to protect the States' Rights of Alabama against the meddling Feds.
Nick| 2.12.10 @ 4:01PM
Mr. Phillips,
On Roy Moore, we completely agree, sir.
Albert A. Turner| 2.12.10 @ 4:03PM
Roy Moore is a one trick pony that does not have a clue. Byrne is a democrat/rino/Crist/Riley type. Tim James might be ok. Might be is the operative word here. I look forward to your report, also.
Red Phillips| 2.12.10 @ 4:15PM
"Roy Moore is a one trick pony that does not have a clue."
Roy Moore is a philosophically grounded across the board conservative.
Ben| 2.12.10 @ 9:44PM
Sorry, but conservatives do not defy federal court orders, particularly conservative judges. Bill Pryor -- the heroic state attorney general who put Moore's self-promoting antics to an end by relieving him of his duties -- is a true conservative.
Nick| 2.13.10 @ 2:05PM
Sorry, but conservatives believe in FEDERALISM.
The federal court had no jurisdiction in that case. That is why Roy Moore defied their unconstitutional interference.
Cliff| 2.13.10 @ 3:44PM
Roy Moore wasn't talking about federalism, he was, essentially, talking about anti-federalism. The Federalists believed in the supremacy of the federal government in areas where it was sovereign. The Anti-Federalists did not.
The problem is, the Anti-Federalists lost.
Red Phillips| 2.13.10 @ 5:55PM
Oh yes they do if the court orders are unconstitutional. It's called nullification and interposition. Ever heard of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions?
Ben, you wouldn't know conservatism if it bit you on the rear. The First Amendment was not intended to apply to the States. It says "Congress shall make no law..." Therefore, the only entity who can violate the First Amendment is Congress when they make a law. A judge in Alabama couldn't violate the First Amendment if he tried. It's called original intent. It is what authentic conservatives believe. Study up on it.
Red Phillips| 2.12.10 @ 4:20PM
"Strict ideology is the province of Jacobins."
Jacobinism on the "right" is nowhere more apparent than in the global crusading for democracy trumpeted by the interventionist crowd. So Quin, does this mean you are abandoning interventionism and joining us non-interventionists?
Bob Belvedere| 2.12.10 @ 4:38PM
Quin, Stacy: The two of you are both my Godfathers in this blogging thing of ours, so you will understand if I stay out of this one.
Quin| 2.12.10 @ 4:42PM
Bob, don't worry, it's a friendly dispute, and you need not take sides. I am and always have been on the unpopular side on this on, and plead merely for a fair reading of my Monday column so that folks will understand there wasn't a single, indisputable, conservative position on the tax issue in Alabama. My goal is to explain why the 2003 tax issue should have NO BEARING on this year's race, because there were excellent reasons for conservatives to be on either side of that issue.
Henry Butler| 2.12.10 @ 11:57PM
An interesting piece....I look forward to a more critical examination of Alabama's candidates for Governor...but let's be honest. Tim James has done very little in his life that did not depend on his father's influence and deep pockets. There is a skunk under the bridge deal that needs to be disclosed openly and I have no doubt some candidate will discuss this at an appropriate time. Yes, he did sell the bridge because he was losing his ass on it and the who and how of that will make good copy as well. As far as Riley goes, he has overstayed his welcome in Alabama and the possibility exists that he could be prosecuted for the millions he has taken from the Indian casino interests if the right people will talk. I have no dog in this fight but it would be helpful to have an unbiased review. Finally, I am hopeful that the true conservatives in this state will not blindly follow the lead of the Republican party but insist that the Republican party follow their lead. Thank you for a well-written and thoughtful site.
Stephen Gordon| 2.13.10 @ 9:42AM
Henry, this is a most sensible statement: "Finally, I am hopeful that the true conservatives in this state will not blindly follow the lead of the Republican party but insist that the Republican party follow their lead. "
We'll see what happens.
clay barham| 2.13.10 @ 11:43AM
What you are seeing in the Tea Party movement is a movement back toward the 19th century Democrats, the only truly functioning libertarian party in America that followed Jefferson and Madison, unlike modern Democrats who prefer Rousseau and Marx, when the people do not. See The Changing Face of Democrats on Amazon and claysamerica.com.
Ned Chipley| 2.14.10 @ 8:23AM
I'm a Texan -- appreciating the reasoned debate going on at this site. Way past time in ALL states of our great nation to start investigating and getting back to the fundamentals of our nation as embodied in our Constitution. Those principles are not (apparently) understood or followed by our national leaders today -- or in previous administrations. Blessings on Sweet Home Alabama!!