A.C. Kleinheider says
she did, by turning it into a partisan appendage of the GOP:
Sarah Palin didn't give a tea party speech last night. She gave
a partisan Republican address. It was a purely political speech
designed to position her for a presidential run in 2012 or
2016. Period. She wasn't there to celebrate the organic nature
of a movement she had nothing to do with creating. She was
there to co-opt the name and claim the brand as hers. And she
did.
The movement, that came to be officially recognized almost a
year ago but whose roots go back further than that, has been
snuffed out and replaced in the public mind. The movement that
began as a people's movement of angry independent, libertarians
and conservatives will now be thought as the movement of people
like Palin, Dick Armey, Judson Phillips, Mark Skoda, etc.
Essentially, a wholly owned subsidiary of the "Official
Conservative Movement" and the Republican Party.
My own view is that the relationship between tea party activists,
the Republican Party, and the conservative movement is more
complicated than this and I spell this out in the forthcoming
issue of the print magazine. But in order to be successful, I
think the tea party movement has to walk the fine line between
eschewing political nihlism (acting as if partisan politics
doesn't matter at all) and unquestioning loyalty to Republicans.
It's a harder balance to maintain than it initially sounds.
Of course the Republicans want to co opt the tea party: that's
what politicians do.
If they succeed, what then?
We'll find out about six months into the Jeb Bush administration
with it's national healthcare plan and 5 trillion dollar deficits
and invasion of Iran
Richard Cummings| 2.8.10 @ 3:18PM
God forbid! But I do think Palin now has ground troops from the
tea party movement for her bid for the 2012 nomination and she
won't have to pay them. All she has to do is take out Romney in
Iowa and New Hampshire and she is home free. She will pick Scott
Brown as her running mate. If the economy is still terrible, she
will have a good shot.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:43PM
Richard:
"If the economy is still terrible, she will have a good shot."
Even if the economy improves, most people are not going to vote
for the ones who gave them this crap sandwich.
The Tax and Spend, and Spend some More Party will be gone.
Palin-Brown 2012
Blacque Jacques Shellacque| 2.8.10 @ 12:37PM
We'll find out about six months into the Jeb Bush
administration...
No facking way. Two squishes were good enough; it's not worth
finding out if the second son is one as well.
Charles Newman| 2.9.10 @ 10:06AM
Your point is valid but did you not recognize the sarcasm of the
post your were responding to?
I'm sorry, but if Sarah Palin is the candidate for president
three years from now, It is going to make my life a whole hell of
a lot easier. If she wins it will make my life a dream come true.
As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer
keyboard. These things will write themselves.
I know this sounds exceedingly selfish on my part and I am
embarrassed to say it in so public a forum. I hope she never goes
away. For the self-described political satirist, she is the gift
that keeps giving and giving and giving....
Hey Tom,
Uh...who gives a darn if you blog? How many hits do you
get...twice from the same person? heh
I'm sorry folks, but I gotta' say it: "Tom, you are a dumbass."
...See...we know you are a dumbass...because you still live in
NY. heh.
(forgive me newyorkers, I know most of you have applied for a
visa to Texas. We are dealing with long lines. Please, be
patient.)
Rich| 2.8.10 @ 1:26PM
I nominate this reply for the "funniest-but-truest" reply of the
day. Hail Ken the Texican!
ares-san| 2.8.10 @ 1:34PM
Keep on trying guys! Just as long as the lot of you stay out of
Montana.
Dwight| 2.11.10 @ 11:22AM
Yes, all retards please go to Texas. You'll find you fit in just
fine there. Please do not have children or leave the state.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 2:30PM
Tom Degan:
"As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer
keyboard. These things will write themselves."
I can attest to that. Having been to his bogsite, his columns
appear to have been written by the proverbial roomful of monkeys
typing on a roomful of typewriters for a roomful of
bananas.
At the end of his rainbow is not the pot of gold, but a pot of
baked beans.
And you know how much gas baked beans produce.
GregA| 2.8.10 @ 1:01PM
The question arises, “Should the movement revolt from outside the
established system, or reform from within?” Which would be more
efficacious in advancing conservative tenets? Unlike the American
Revolution and the Secession of the South, we do not yet see a
complete polarization of ideals, purposes and leaders. We see
overlapping intrigues and questionable motives; in short,
politics as usual.
As I attempt to teach my children about how two-party politics
works at the present time, I tell them that an examination of
professional wrestling makes an excellent example. Up in the
ring, the opposing forces make a good show for the people; in all
appearances good vs. evil. But when it is all said and done, the
performers are in the dressing room, drinking beer together,
slapping each others backs and counting the money they have taken
in from folks who can‘t afford it.
May God Bless America once again.
peterike| 2.8.10 @ 1:23PM
Don't worry Tommy m'boy. I'm sure no matter what happens, you'll
still continue to churn out tedious Leftie bilge on your blog.
Your writing shows no evidence of any connection to reality as it
is, so what matter the events of this material world? Back to
your spaceship now.
TJ| 2.8.10 @ 1:27PM
A similar problem happened to the Reform Party in 2000, and they
have never recovered.
Charles Newman| 2.9.10 @ 10:20AM
The problem of the reform party has (so far) been avoided by the
Tea Party. Their problem was that they became a political party
and split the vote. If the Tea Party makes this mistake they will
fail. Splitting the vote results in loosing the election every
time. That's why you see all the liberals hoping this mistake
will be made. If the Tea Party can help remove the trash from the
Republican Party they will provide a useful purpose and
accomplish their goals. As Glenn Beck said " Liars, cheats and
thieves must go!" Arlen Specter is gone from the party and needs
to be gone from the Senate. There are other examples. The
standard for the ballot box is reasonable suspision, not
reasonable doubt!
William R| 2.8.10 @ 1:33PM
On foreign policy she sounds like a doctrinaire NeoCon straight
out of the pages of the Weekly Standard. The McCain residue.
Nancianne| 2.8.10 @ 1:50PM
Are you kidding? She doesn't even know what foreign policy means.
How could possibly articulate a policy????
Is this the same WilliamR who is in agreement with the Hammas
Accord? The one who wishes Israel obliterated?
Herman King| 2.8.10 @ 2:34PM
Palin is a neocon who has an Israeli flag in her office (or had).
William Kristol suggested her as a running mate for McCain.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:41PM
Is that why you can't tolerate her, Mr. King? Because she has a
flag of Israel in her office?
More little men crawling out from under those rocks, folks!
Conservatives need to take control of the Republican Party. That
is the only way to consistently beat the Democrats, the only tool
that will do it.
But until Obama woke them up, most conservatives didn't believe
that. The conservatives refused to fight RINOs for control of the
Republican Party, so of course the liberal Republicans controlled
it. The RINOs won by default because conservatives didn't show up
for the fight.
So every election the liberal Republicans would rig it so that
mostly RINOs were on the ballot, and conservatives would brag
about how they "held their noses" and voted for the
Democrats-In-Republican-Clothing.
I have no doubts that my fellow conservatives could win the fight
for the Republican Party, IF THEY EVER TRIED TO FIGHT IT. After
all, Ronald Reagan did, he won both fights, for the Republican
Party and then against the Democrats. But I question whether
conservatives will really keep fighting the RINOs.
Nancianne| 2.8.10 @ 1:36PM
Sarah Palin is a joke. She has NO ideas and is merely a media
creation and sensation. It would a a very low time in this
country if this women ever achieved national office. Congress has
been dumbed down enough already. We don't need her shriveled
brain to further contribute to the mess.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:09PM
Nancianne, it sounds to me like you are able to recognize a good
idea if it hit you in the face!
You will follow your Obama till he goes down in flames, won't
you?
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:10PM
*(not able to recognize)
NCMike| 2.10.10 @ 2:17AM
Nancianne, your left-wing government school bias is showing. You
cited not a single fact but simply parroted lefty talking points.
Your only originality was your third grade name calling. Here's a
clue: Sarah Palin's attraction is not her "ideas", but her
principles, a concept far beyond the limits of your moral
relativist indoctrination. Her oft repeated principles include
individual freedoms, private property rights, a market (not
government) driven economy, limited government, lower taxes, and
strong national security. They are not new ideas, but principles
that have made this country strong, exceptional, and a magnet for
all those seeking opportunity, not hand-outs. It's obvious you
were never exposed to these "ideas" in school, but to those who
have believed in them and will continue to do so, your infantile
remarks about a dumbed down Congress and her shriveled brain say
much more about you and your upbringing than your irrelevant
whining about Sarah Palin.
Uhhhh. Actually TH, The Reform party was a SEPARATE party that
caused the Republican party to lose in two elections. By 2000,
the people who had previously voted for the Reform party figured
it out. Voting for a third party causes the person you want to
lose, to win. In 2000, a lot of people remembered that fact and
voted for Bush instead of Buchanan. Still, if the Buchanan voters
had voted for Bush he would have also carried Wisconsin, Iowa and
New Mexico.
And also, she didn't put out Stupaks's name by accident. Her
message was, if you're a Democrat work for Blue Dog Democrats, if
you're a Republican work for conservatives. That was her message.
She also specifically and repeatedly eschewed the role of leader
of the tea party movement and demonstrated her knowledge of the
movement by referring to herself and those present as Taxed
Enough Already. (TEA-- get it?)
Copyleft| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
The "grassroots" protestations would be more believable if a
single Tea Partygoer were ever going to vote for anything but
more Republicans, over and over again.
But everybody knows they won't. The GOP owns them, lock stock and
barrel. Why pretend otherwise? You know the Republicans own your
votes, and all the complaining and protesting in the world won't
change that. You're still helpless tools of the GOP spin machine
until you prove otherwise by NOT VOTIG REPUBLICAN.
Copyleft| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
Bah. Typo. "Voting."
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:06PM
Why on earth would I ever stop voting Republican?
Consider the alternative.
Consider your latter end!
Go Sarah!
MarciaJ| 2.8.10 @ 2:55PM
See Susan's comment above. Conservatives and libertarians vote
Republican so as not to guarantee a tax-and-spend, socialist,
liberal Democrat wins the office. I wish America would eschew the
two party system and afford voters REAL choices.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:11PM
Marcia,
Susan's comments made sense. She said that voting third party
caused the Republicans to lose.
I don't want the Republicans to lose, do you? The Republican
party's platform is the correct one for our country, as Sarah has
also said. She also said that realistically, we have a 2 party
system. No person is going to be perfect, ever. If you put your
faith in a person you will always be disappointed. I vote for the
best party which best represents conservative values. That's the
Republican party. Otherwise you end up with another destructive
Socialist administration.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:35AM
Dear MarciaJ
Your idea sounds so good, until you realize that such a system
removes all requirements for the advocates of evil to get or
steal 50% plus 1 vote to win.
Karla| 2.8.10 @ 2:45PM
Copyleft: It's obvious that you know nothing about the Tea Party
Movement. Google the National Tea Party website and read what
they (myself included) stand for--all good common-sense values
and solutions. Back to basics. Back to the Constitution (what a
novel idea!). Educate yourself before you bash.
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:24PM
LMAO!! Of course most of them will vote republican, of the two
parties the republicans are by far the closest to their views.
Republicans are just slightly to the left of the Constitution,
the democ-rats are left of Lenin. To entertain voting for a 3rd
party is to commit suicide. The commiecrats will win hands down.
The mission of the Tea Party movement as I see it, is to
influence republicans to move back to the right to solidly
support the Constitution. When after wandering 40 years in the
wilderness the democ-rats find they cannot get elected, they will
be forced to move right also and become something of a
pro-American party. I know...hard to believe.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:56PM
JAS:
"To entertain voting for a 3rd party is to commit suicide."
There are those here who will do just that and call it "standing
on principle".
Third parties never win and give you a result that you were not
looking for.
The disgruntled "reform"ers did just that and we got two terms of
Bill Clinton.
One term of Obama is already two terms of Carter.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:40AM
victor
Good post, I totally agree!!
TJ| 2.8.10 @ 3:03PM
I, of course know all about the Reform Party's impact on the
Republican party. I was simply making a point the Reform Party is
one example the of reform inside vs. outside debate, and Reform
Party's implosion due to political infighting is an example of
what also could happen to the tea party movement.
On the Reform Party, I don't think it fair to blame Republican
losses on them. Republicans lost because those people left the
party which is their choice. Republicans lost because they lost
the faith of a considerable number of voters. Similarly Al Gore
lost because he lost and not because Nader ran. Trying to
restrict voter choices for your own convenience is sloppy, lazy
politics. And there is plenty of that going around these days.
Voters should be able to vote for whomever they want. And if you
are better than the other guy it is up to you to prove it. Yes
then we all live with the consequences. But that is democracy.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:28AM
Well said!!
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:47AM
The comment above was not intended for TJ.
I strongly disagree with him.
rbblum| 2.8.10 @ 1:40PM
Most doubtful that S Palin has diminished the tea party movement;
HOWEVER, just as Newt Gingrich had backed a Republican candidate
that was not supported by 'the people' of New York, so, too, has
S Palin backed a questionable Republican candidate by stumping
for Rick Perry in his re-election bid for Texas Governor.
For the record, Rick Perry supported a Texas land grab that
favored the North American Union railroad as well as other
initiatives that were not in the primary interest of 'the
people'.
Also for the record, Texas GOP gubernatorial candidate Debra
Medina is more in line with the mindset of the tea party movement
than either Kay Bailey Hutchison or Rick Perry.
martin j smith| 2.8.10 @ 1:45PM
Exactly who is this Klienheider anyway ? I do not like seeieng a
piece which seems to be hit piece and not know who the person
behind it is. I know full well that their are groups who have an
axe to grind pro or against SP. My personal view is that the more
I see hit pieces, the more I support her.
This does not mean I agree with everything she says. But there is
enough positive in her for me to feel that Left and Rinos need
people to stick it to them. SP is such a person.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:58PM
He's a fig newton of someone's imagination.
Go read the stuff "he" writes.
Typical Arriana or Markos Moussaka boilerplate and hyperbole.
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Bob Miller| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
Some conservative purists won't be happy until they put the
Democrats over the top once again. Hasn't this all-or-nothing
attitude caused the nation enough grief already?
The Republican brand hasn't been so destroyed yet as to prevent
corrective action.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:29PM
You are correct. These same purists are the ones who will throw
their votes to the Left because no candidate is good enough.
These are the ones who constantly sit back crying "There's RINO
in the street!" Meanwhile they back people like Ron Paul the
Blame America Firster, or won't vote at all because no one is
good enough for them, the high and mighty ones. Sarah talked
about this in her speech in Nashville the other day. She said
something like that no one person will ever be perfect. You put
your faith in the ideas, not in the person. People will fail you,
good truthful ideas don't.
Siegfried X| 2.8.10 @ 3:04PM
Would you vote for Obama if he became a Republican?
It's an easy answer for me, has been for decades. I only vote for
real conservatives. If there's one running in the Republican
Party, that's my choice. Otherwise I vote for a third party
conservative.
So if Obama ran as a Republican, I'd vote against him, just like
every other liberal Republican. No voting for evil for me, the
"lesser of two evils".
If Obama became a Republican and was supported by the party, it
would prove that I had nothing to lose by voting third-party
conservative, because the Republican Party had become so
corrupted that it was just a clone of the Democratic Party.
And that already happened when Republicans nominated
cap-and-trade, amnesty McCain in 2008, in a rigged nomination
that let cross-over Democrats and winner-take-all voting choose
an unpopular, leftist candidate.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:17PM
If Obama became a Republican? If you are saying that he had a
true conversion, yes. But that isn't what you are saying, is it?
You are saying if Obama "joined" the party. Two very different
things. I believe you call that a straw man argument!
If you choose to vote third party you are part of the problem.
You are looking for the perfect candidate, and you will NEVER
find them.
The third party voter is partly to blame for the election of the
country's worst President in history.
Sorry to see that you plan on doing it again!
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:31PM
They elected Bill Klinton too. I hope these Libertarian wingnuts
got their thankyou notes from Klinton and Obumba.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:59AM
Margie, you are only partly right. Third parties are a mistake,
but once the nomination process is over it may be the better
choice. NY 23 almost worked! Control of the party machinery and
the Primaries is where the battle must be fought. The Republican
Party must offer good candidates if it is to succeed!
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:03PM
Hilarious!
The more Sarah Palin shines and succeeds the more the Leftist
whiners lie about her!
It is truly laughable! Grown men come out from under their rocks
with personal attacks, writers write outlandish pieces with
outlandish titles, and the beat goes on!
GO SARAH!!
Garry Owen| 2.8.10 @ 2:11PM
Why not give a speech aimed at the Obama administration. After
all, this administration seems to have no interest in the opinion
of every day Americans. Why does Obama want to have a bipartian
meeting on health care? Because he no longer has the super
majority in the Senate. Do you think Obama would seek such a
meeting in November of '09? No way. I believe the Tea Party will
support any canidate who supports less government, lower taxes,
less borrowing, less intrusion on our Constitution by the UN, and
an open ear to We the People. These are the very things the Obama
administration is refusing to do; therefore the present
administration does not deserve the support of any Tea Party
movement!
Karla| 2.8.10 @ 2:52PM
Well said and accurate, Gary. Tea Party critics undoubtedly don't
know what the movement is about. They should Google the website
and educate themselves, lest they come across as fools.
What a load of garbage. The same political movement that has
utterly rejected being dominated by political parties is now -
surprise! - going to be dominated (or "co-opted") by a political
party?
You're dreaming if you think that. Tea Party Conservatives are
DONE being taken for a ride by politicians. Anyone who agrees
with their principles is welcome to come along. But no one - not
Sarah Palin, and not anyone else - is going to make this just
another branch of the Republican Party.
It's worth remembering that these people - in perhaps a less
organized fashion - handed victories to the Democrats in 2006 and
2008, and they knew damn well they were doing it, too. Their
message to RINOs was, "We'll get your attention one way or the
other." And they did.
That attitude is even stronger now. And if you don't believe me,
I have two words for you: Dede. Scozzafava.
Sarah Palin has promise, but she ain't drivin' this bus.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:32PM
You're not "driving this bus" either. So excuse me for
interrupting your high and mighty speak.
I'm not quite sure who you think is "running this bus" but it
isn't any one person, including you!
Go Sarah!
Siegfried X| 2.8.10 @ 2:32PM
"Why not give a speech aimed at the Obama administration. "
Because conservatives spend way too much time talking about the
Democrats, which means way too little time talking about
conservatism and the Republican Party.
Bob Miller| 2.8.10 @ 2:33PM
Without some actual drivers the bus will get you nowhere.
Everly Waverly| 2.8.10 @ 2:35PM
To me the "Tea Party" is nothing more than a vehicle for
expressing frustration in the leftist direction America is
heading. The "Tea Party" public is the who the leftists will have
to demonize and that's not a winner, especially when more and
more people become involved and the elitists will suffer the
consequences at the ballot box. Does the "Republican Party",
which I'm a long time registrant, offer an off-season venue for a
chance to vent with like-minded conservatives their frustrations
and have fun while doing it? Not lately. Sure, the republican
party wants your money and if you've got any to spare, go-ahead
support the cause, it's the main game in town but lets not try
and create nuance where there's none. Will the republican party
get my support at election time, you-betcha.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 2:51PM
This "Tea Party Convention" was not representative of the broader
movement and I think a lot of people realize that. There was a
lot of hostility to the Convention from within the Tea Party
movement; so to say Sarah Palin killed it is a gross
overstatement.
But Palin did come off as quite clueless. She gave a partisan
movement conservative boilerplate speech to a group that has
factions and is not on board with all the boilerplate. Does Palin
even realize this? Does her speech writer? Normally you target
your speech to your audience. Focus on the things everyone agrees
on (cutting spending, shrinking government, stopping healthcare,
etc.) and stay away from the stuff that is contentious, and among
the broader Tea Party movement that includes foreign policy. But
she churned out “Obama is weak and we need to saber rattle more”
foreign policy boilerplate as if she was completely oblivious to
her audience? In addition, she wore a lapel pin with a US and
Israel flag? http://conservativetimes.org/?p=4493 Could she be
any more clueless?
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:01PM
OOOh, another one crawls out from beneath his slimy rock.
Beware of the Blame America First, anti-Israel crowd that this
creep represents. These people try and claim they are the "true"
conservatives, and want to claim the Tea Party movement is
theirs. They despise Sarah Palin, a real conservative who is
Pro-America, for a STRONG Military, and PRO-Israel.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 3:36PM
Non-interventionist Tea Partiers believe that US foreign policy
is skewed by our overly tight “special” relationship with Israel.
These people would be particularly sensitive to anything that
seems to confirm this belief. Palin’s lapel pin does just that.
It was a completely politically tone death move on her part
unless it was a calculated attempt to in-your-face the
non-interventionist faction. (This is true regardless of where
someone stands on the issue.) But I don’t think it was the
latter. I think she is just clueless.
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:36PM
"Non-interventionist" is Libertarian speak for COWARD!
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:49PM
Funny. It is the interventionist crowd that is constantly in a
state of fear about every little perceived threat, and the
non-interventionists who are relaxing. So the cowards are who?
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:07PM
Dan Phillips:
"Funny. It is the interventionist crowd that is constantly in a
state of fear about every little perceived threat,"
You should do a remake of that great old 60's movie:
"Dr. StrangePaul or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the
Jihadis".
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:37PM
You should do a remake of Chicken Little, because you always
think the sky is falling.
"Mommy, mommy, please protect me. The big mean Iranian is trying
to hurt me."
Man up, dude.
Margie| 2.9.10 @ 10:27AM
Perverted. You fear Americans more than you fear terrorists!
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:55PM
"if the Soviet Union were to disappear off the face of the map,
the United States would quickly seek out new enemies to justify
its own military-industrial complex." - former CIA officer, John
Stockwell
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:04PM
Dan Phillips:
"US foreign policy is skewed by our overly tight “special”
relationship with Israel."
Code for "Bloody Jews have too much influence".
BTW it is "Tone Deaf".
PS It was done on purpose and it did get your goat.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:31PM
victor, many interventionists tout the special relationship as a
good and proper thing. Palin specifically mentioned Israel in her
speech and in a post speech interview. Do you dispute these
facts? If so, where did I misspeak?
From the speech: "Israel, a friend and critical ally, now
questions the strength of our support."
From Fox News Sunday: "Say he (Obama) ... decided to really come
out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would
like him to do."
If you think this "special" relationship is a good thing fine,
but the non-interventionists are entirely justified to be
sensitive to it.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 11:30AM
Dan Phillips
Non-interventionism is slightly more rational than the
traditional Democrat strategy of fight to loose, or the
Progressive, Liberal idea, “the enemy is us”. In the long run the
result is the same however. Western civilization collapses
because the citizens couldn't be bothered to defend it.
Dan Phillips| 2.9.10 @ 1:40PM
CNewman, what is going to bring down the US is not Islamic
terrorists who are terrorists because they have no real military
to come against us. It is going to be massive debt, imperial
overreach, and cultural dissolution brought about by
unprecedented levels of immigration. In the effort to prevent the
collapse of Western Civilization, a laudable goal we would both
agree, disengaging from the Middle East and restricting
immigration would go MUCH further toward securing our future than
will bombing any number of far off Muslim countries. In Europe
especially, the Muslim problem is much more a demographic problem
(immigration and differential birth rates) than it is a military
problem. But very often the same people who are trumpeting the US
spreading democracy are also singing the praises of immigration.
(The invade the world, invite the world crowd.) So you tell me
who is and is not looking out for the best interests of Western
Civilization.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:06PM
Antle, you are certainly right that the impact of the Tea Party
is quite complicated. These people supported Scott Brown who is
pro-choice and has no problem with gay unions. They are more
libertarian than most Republicans. Will social conservatives
agree with them?
I would envision their effect to be short term, however. Once
they realize that the people they elected get sucked into being a
Washington politician, they will go back to doing other things.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:10PM
Margie, I know you are in love with Sarah. But only the mentally
deficient will vote for someone who is also mentally deficient.
It's really too bad you are so blind to the truth.... I guess
that comes from utilizing belief over reason.... You seem to be a
shining example of that axiom that ignorance is bliss....
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:19PM
Thank you, Bob. I wear your insults as a badge on honor.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:55PM
I guess you don't understand "honor".... Perhaps if you had
served in the military like me, you'd understand the term....
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:00PM
Bob,
Whoever you are, you don't seem to understand anything! But
especially, honor.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 4:09PM
Well, then, we're both in the same predicament. I'll wear your
vapid, intellectually vacuous response as a badge of honor, as
well.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:46PM
You really are a vile man, aren't you?
VN Vet| 2.8.10 @ 8:39PM
I'm with Margie. John F'n sKerry "served" in the military too. He
was just working for the other side.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 8:49PM
I thank you, Sir. Both for your support, and especially for your
service. :^)
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:13PM
VN Vet:
"He was just working for the other side."
So did Gore, Murtha and other left wingers.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:10PM
Bob:
"It's really too bad you are so blind to the truth.... I guess
that comes from utilizing belief over reason."
Is that why you are voting for Ron Paul on the Third Rail Party
ticket?
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:10PM
I don't think Bob is a Ron Paul supporter.
Dein| 2.8.10 @ 3:25PM
Nancianne,obama is the bad joke .It has been a very low time for
the country since the campaigner in chief lied his way into
national office.Correct,congress has dumbed way down since Dems
gained majorities led by geniuses Pelosi and Reid
Conservative Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:44PM
No, Palin has not destroyed the movement, if the Tea Party movies
toward becoming a third party we all lose. The Leftist
Progressive Democrats win.
If the movement ‘rewards’ conservative limited government
candidates with their support the country wins.
At this moment there is no such thing in reality as a moderate
democrat, look at all of the votes last year when the chips were
down. Nancy and harry had all of the votes they needed when they
needed them. For the foreseeable future, there is little or no
hope of the returning the democrat party to the middle of the
political spectrum.
The only viable choice a limited government, low tax
constitutionalist has is the GOP.
The leadership of the GOP may misconstrue the meaning of Scott
Brown. You can hear it in some of the big tent language coming
out the further we get away from his election.
Brown became a winnable election and regardless of how
conservative he is or is not at that moment we were on the brink
of passage of the progressive socialist dream. The healthcare
entitlement, once in place no matter how watered down with or
without the public option it would be difficult to impossible to
repeal. Brown was the last chance before irretrievably going over
that waterfall and as such the opportunity was seized and he
became the 41st vote against the healthcare takeover.
Until such time as the democrats actually have candidates and
office holders that are not either full fledged
progressive/socialists or stealth progressive/socialists a vote
for other than the GOP moves the country rapidly along the path
to progressive socialism.
The Tea Party movement can take over the GOP, the Tea Party
movement can support conservative limited government candidates
over GOP Rhinos etc. To try to remain completely non partisan is
to become ineffective and lose the battle at hand to save the
republic.
We will need to work hard to take over the party and the
leadership will not give up without a fight but it is a fight we
can win. Enough money is being withheld and is flowing directly
to more conservative candidates. The GOP is making sounds of
hearing the message if grudgingly or half heartedly. Over time we
will win.
We can afford to take more time reforming and reshaping the GOP
but if the ONE has taught us anything it is the cost of protest
votes. Until these fools are driven from office we do not have
the luxury of protest votes or single issue temper tantrums.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:56PM
I truly pray that everyone who reads your words will heed them.
We simply cannot afford another Democrat/Socialist administration
in this country.
gmiller| 2.8.10 @ 4:41PM
Nonsense: We won't allow politicos to co-opt the Tea Party, nor
will we allow spinners like you to make us think they have. Get a
life.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:15PM
The people who voted for and will vote for Obama or allow him to
get re-elected should "Get Life".
Can we count on you earning the Scarlett "Q"?
"Q"=Quisling
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:51PM
Hey dumbunny, nobody said anything about co-opting the tea party.
If you could read you would see that he said just the opposite.
That the tea party could co-opt the GOP.
Wake up!
Besides, why do you have a problem with backing conservatives for
the Republican party?
Cincinnati Whig| 2.8.10 @ 8:28PM
hey here's an idea: how about if conservatives would VOTE IN THE
REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES?
I know... sounds wacky
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:43PM
Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in
their primaries.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:51PM
"Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in
their primaries."
Depends on the State.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:17PM
"Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in
their primaries"
The lefties and quislings did that and we wound up with McCain.
Which means we have to close the primary system.
Jimmy| 2.9.10 @ 10:28AM
Sarah is just a simple opportunist that only see a chance to sell
more books and try to co- opt a base. Because she has none
herself. Is she was really genuine she would not have accepted
payment for speaking. Saying it will go back to "the cause" is a
lame excuse. We do need a revolution. But is is not Sarah palin
who will lead us out of this mess.
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Dwight| 2.11.10 @ 11:24AM
I agree with Kleinheider. Sarah Palin is a fucking retard.
James| 2.12.10 @ 4:09PM
If Sarah Palin becomes the "face" of the Tea Party, then stick a
fork in it right now. I cannot believe those idiot organizers
selected her of all people to put a face on such an important
grass-roots movement. P.S. Her fake ass "folksy" accent makes me
gag.
Tim| 2.8.10 @ 12:32PM
Of course the Republicans want to co opt the tea party: that's what politicians do.
If they succeed, what then?
We'll find out about six months into the Jeb Bush administration with it's national healthcare plan and 5 trillion dollar deficits and invasion of Iran
Richard Cummings| 2.8.10 @ 3:18PM
God forbid! But I do think Palin now has ground troops from the tea party movement for her bid for the 2012 nomination and she won't have to pay them. All she has to do is take out Romney in Iowa and New Hampshire and she is home free. She will pick Scott Brown as her running mate. If the economy is still terrible, she will have a good shot.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:43PM
Richard:
"If the economy is still terrible, she will have a good shot."
Even if the economy improves, most people are not going to vote for the ones who gave them this crap sandwich.
The Tax and Spend, and Spend some More Party will be gone.
Palin-Brown 2012
Blacque Jacques Shellacque| 2.8.10 @ 12:37PM
We'll find out about six months into the Jeb Bush administration...
No facking way. Two squishes were good enough; it's not worth finding out if the second son is one as well.
Charles Newman| 2.9.10 @ 10:06AM
Your point is valid but did you not recognize the sarcasm of the post your were responding to?
Tom Degan| 2.8.10 @ 12:50PM
I'm sorry, but if Sarah Palin is the candidate for president three years from now, It is going to make my life a whole hell of a lot easier. If she wins it will make my life a dream come true. As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer keyboard. These things will write themselves.
I know this sounds exceedingly selfish on my part and I am embarrassed to say it in so public a forum. I hope she never goes away. For the self-described political satirist, she is the gift that keeps giving and giving and giving....
I'm so ashamed.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com
Tom Degan
Goshen NY
Ken (Old Texican)| 2.8.10 @ 1:20PM
Hey Tom,
Uh...who gives a darn if you blog? How many hits do you get...twice from the same person? heh
I'm sorry folks, but I gotta' say it: "Tom, you are a dumbass."
...See...we know you are a dumbass...because you still live in NY. heh.
(forgive me newyorkers, I know most of you have applied for a visa to Texas. We are dealing with long lines. Please, be patient.)
Rich| 2.8.10 @ 1:26PM
I nominate this reply for the "funniest-but-truest" reply of the day. Hail Ken the Texican!
ares-san| 2.8.10 @ 1:34PM
Keep on trying guys! Just as long as the lot of you stay out of Montana.
Dwight| 2.11.10 @ 11:22AM
Yes, all retards please go to Texas. You'll find you fit in just fine there. Please do not have children or leave the state.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 2:30PM
Tom Degan:
"As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer keyboard. These things will write themselves."
I can attest to that. Having been to his bogsite, his columns appear to have been written by the proverbial roomful of monkeys typing on a roomful of typewriters for a roomful of bananas.
At the end of his rainbow is not the pot of gold, but a pot of baked beans.
And you know how much gas baked beans produce.
GregA| 2.8.10 @ 1:01PM
The question arises, “Should the movement revolt from outside the established system, or reform from within?” Which would be more efficacious in advancing conservative tenets? Unlike the American Revolution and the Secession of the South, we do not yet see a complete polarization of ideals, purposes and leaders. We see overlapping intrigues and questionable motives; in short, politics as usual.
As I attempt to teach my children about how two-party politics works at the present time, I tell them that an examination of professional wrestling makes an excellent example. Up in the ring, the opposing forces make a good show for the people; in all appearances good vs. evil. But when it is all said and done, the performers are in the dressing room, drinking beer together, slapping each others backs and counting the money they have taken in from folks who can‘t afford it.
May God Bless America once again.
peterike| 2.8.10 @ 1:23PM
Don't worry Tommy m'boy. I'm sure no matter what happens, you'll still continue to churn out tedious Leftie bilge on your blog. Your writing shows no evidence of any connection to reality as it is, so what matter the events of this material world? Back to your spaceship now.
TJ| 2.8.10 @ 1:27PM
A similar problem happened to the Reform Party in 2000, and they have never recovered.
Charles Newman| 2.9.10 @ 10:20AM
The problem of the reform party has (so far) been avoided by the Tea Party. Their problem was that they became a political party and split the vote. If the Tea Party makes this mistake they will fail. Splitting the vote results in loosing the election every time. That's why you see all the liberals hoping this mistake will be made. If the Tea Party can help remove the trash from the Republican Party they will provide a useful purpose and accomplish their goals. As Glenn Beck said " Liars, cheats and thieves must go!" Arlen Specter is gone from the party and needs to be gone from the Senate. There are other examples. The standard for the ballot box is reasonable suspision, not reasonable doubt!
William R| 2.8.10 @ 1:33PM
On foreign policy she sounds like a doctrinaire NeoCon straight out of the pages of the Weekly Standard. The McCain residue.
Nancianne| 2.8.10 @ 1:50PM
Are you kidding? She doesn't even know what foreign policy means. How could possibly articulate a policy????
William R| 2.8.10 @ 3:21PM
She's being tutored on foreign policy by this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Scheunemann
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:12PM
Is this the same WilliamR who is in agreement with the Hammas Accord? The one who wishes Israel obliterated?
Herman King| 2.8.10 @ 2:34PM
Palin is a neocon who has an Israeli flag in her office (or had). William Kristol suggested her as a running mate for McCain.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:41PM
Is that why you can't tolerate her, Mr. King? Because she has a flag of Israel in her office?
More little men crawling out from under those rocks, folks!
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:49PM
Why so Syrias?
Sarah's Office:
http://aroundthesphere.files.w.....l-flag.jpg
Siegfried X| 2.8.10 @ 1:34PM
Conservatives need to take control of the Republican Party. That is the only way to consistently beat the Democrats, the only tool that will do it.
But until Obama woke them up, most conservatives didn't believe that. The conservatives refused to fight RINOs for control of the Republican Party, so of course the liberal Republicans controlled it. The RINOs won by default because conservatives didn't show up for the fight.
So every election the liberal Republicans would rig it so that mostly RINOs were on the ballot, and conservatives would brag about how they "held their noses" and voted for the Democrats-In-Republican-Clothing.
I have no doubts that my fellow conservatives could win the fight for the Republican Party, IF THEY EVER TRIED TO FIGHT IT. After all, Ronald Reagan did, he won both fights, for the Republican Party and then against the Democrats. But I question whether conservatives will really keep fighting the RINOs.
Nancianne| 2.8.10 @ 1:36PM
Sarah Palin is a joke. She has NO ideas and is merely a media creation and sensation. It would a a very low time in this country if this women ever achieved national office. Congress has been dumbed down enough already. We don't need her shriveled brain to further contribute to the mess.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:09PM
Nancianne, it sounds to me like you are able to recognize a good idea if it hit you in the face!
You will follow your Obama till he goes down in flames, won't you?
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:10PM
*(not able to recognize)
NCMike| 2.10.10 @ 2:17AM
Nancianne, your left-wing government school bias is showing. You cited not a single fact but simply parroted lefty talking points. Your only originality was your third grade name calling. Here's a clue: Sarah Palin's attraction is not her "ideas", but her principles, a concept far beyond the limits of your moral relativist indoctrination. Her oft repeated principles include individual freedoms, private property rights, a market (not government) driven economy, limited government, lower taxes, and strong national security. They are not new ideas, but principles that have made this country strong, exceptional, and a magnet for all those seeking opportunity, not hand-outs. It's obvious you were never exposed to these "ideas" in school, but to those who have believed in them and will continue to do so, your infantile remarks about a dumbed down Congress and her shriveled brain say much more about you and your upbringing than your irrelevant whining about Sarah Palin.
Susan Salisbury| 2.8.10 @ 1:38PM
Uhhhh. Actually TH, The Reform party was a SEPARATE party that caused the Republican party to lose in two elections. By 2000, the people who had previously voted for the Reform party figured it out. Voting for a third party causes the person you want to lose, to win. In 2000, a lot of people remembered that fact and voted for Bush instead of Buchanan. Still, if the Buchanan voters had voted for Bush he would have also carried Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico.
And also, she didn't put out Stupaks's name by accident. Her message was, if you're a Democrat work for Blue Dog Democrats, if you're a Republican work for conservatives. That was her message. She also specifically and repeatedly eschewed the role of leader of the tea party movement and demonstrated her knowledge of the movement by referring to herself and those present as Taxed Enough Already. (TEA-- get it?)
Copyleft| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
The "grassroots" protestations would be more believable if a single Tea Partygoer were ever going to vote for anything but more Republicans, over and over again.
But everybody knows they won't. The GOP owns them, lock stock and barrel. Why pretend otherwise? You know the Republicans own your votes, and all the complaining and protesting in the world won't change that. You're still helpless tools of the GOP spin machine until you prove otherwise by NOT VOTIG REPUBLICAN.
Copyleft| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
Bah. Typo. "Voting."
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:06PM
Why on earth would I ever stop voting Republican?
Consider the alternative.
Consider your latter end!
Go Sarah!
MarciaJ| 2.8.10 @ 2:55PM
See Susan's comment above. Conservatives and libertarians vote Republican so as not to guarantee a tax-and-spend, socialist, liberal Democrat wins the office. I wish America would eschew the two party system and afford voters REAL choices.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:11PM
Marcia,
Susan's comments made sense. She said that voting third party caused the Republicans to lose.
I don't want the Republicans to lose, do you? The Republican party's platform is the correct one for our country, as Sarah has also said. She also said that realistically, we have a 2 party system. No person is going to be perfect, ever. If you put your faith in a person you will always be disappointed. I vote for the best party which best represents conservative values. That's the Republican party. Otherwise you end up with another destructive Socialist administration.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:35AM
Dear MarciaJ
Your idea sounds so good, until you realize that such a system removes all requirements for the advocates of evil to get or steal 50% plus 1 vote to win.
Karla| 2.8.10 @ 2:45PM
Copyleft: It's obvious that you know nothing about the Tea Party Movement. Google the National Tea Party website and read what they (myself included) stand for--all good common-sense values and solutions. Back to basics. Back to the Constitution (what a novel idea!). Educate yourself before you bash.
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:24PM
LMAO!! Of course most of them will vote republican, of the two parties the republicans are by far the closest to their views. Republicans are just slightly to the left of the Constitution, the democ-rats are left of Lenin. To entertain voting for a 3rd party is to commit suicide. The commiecrats will win hands down. The mission of the Tea Party movement as I see it, is to influence republicans to move back to the right to solidly support the Constitution. When after wandering 40 years in the wilderness the democ-rats find they cannot get elected, they will be forced to move right also and become something of a pro-American party. I know...hard to believe.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:56PM
JAS:
"To entertain voting for a 3rd party is to commit suicide."
There are those here who will do just that and call it "standing on principle".
Third parties never win and give you a result that you were not looking for.
The disgruntled "reform"ers did just that and we got two terms of Bill Clinton.
One term of Obama is already two terms of Carter.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:40AM
victor
Good post, I totally agree!!
TJ| 2.8.10 @ 3:03PM
I, of course know all about the Reform Party's impact on the Republican party. I was simply making a point the Reform Party is one example the of reform inside vs. outside debate, and Reform Party's implosion due to political infighting is an example of what also could happen to the tea party movement.
On the Reform Party, I don't think it fair to blame Republican losses on them. Republicans lost because those people left the party which is their choice. Republicans lost because they lost the faith of a considerable number of voters. Similarly Al Gore lost because he lost and not because Nader ran. Trying to restrict voter choices for your own convenience is sloppy, lazy politics. And there is plenty of that going around these days. Voters should be able to vote for whomever they want. And if you are better than the other guy it is up to you to prove it. Yes then we all live with the consequences. But that is democracy.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:28AM
Well said!!
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:47AM
The comment above was not intended for TJ.
I strongly disagree with him.
rbblum| 2.8.10 @ 1:40PM
Most doubtful that S Palin has diminished the tea party movement; HOWEVER, just as Newt Gingrich had backed a Republican candidate that was not supported by 'the people' of New York, so, too, has S Palin backed a questionable Republican candidate by stumping for Rick Perry in his re-election bid for Texas Governor.
For the record, Rick Perry supported a Texas land grab that favored the North American Union railroad as well as other initiatives that were not in the primary interest of 'the people'.
Also for the record, Texas GOP gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina is more in line with the mindset of the tea party movement than either Kay Bailey Hutchison or Rick Perry.
martin j smith| 2.8.10 @ 1:45PM
Exactly who is this Klienheider anyway ? I do not like seeieng a piece which seems to be hit piece and not know who the person behind it is. I know full well that their are groups who have an axe to grind pro or against SP. My personal view is that the more I see hit pieces, the more I support her.
This does not mean I agree with everything she says. But there is enough positive in her for me to feel that Left and Rinos need people to stick it to them. SP is such a person.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 8:58PM
He's a fig newton of someone's imagination.
Go read the stuff "he" writes.
Typical Arriana or Markos Moussaka boilerplate and hyperbole.
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Bob Miller| 2.8.10 @ 2:02PM
Some conservative purists won't be happy until they put the Democrats over the top once again. Hasn't this all-or-nothing attitude caused the nation enough grief already?
The Republican brand hasn't been so destroyed yet as to prevent corrective action.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:29PM
You are correct. These same purists are the ones who will throw their votes to the Left because no candidate is good enough. These are the ones who constantly sit back crying "There's RINO in the street!" Meanwhile they back people like Ron Paul the Blame America Firster, or won't vote at all because no one is good enough for them, the high and mighty ones. Sarah talked about this in her speech in Nashville the other day. She said something like that no one person will ever be perfect. You put your faith in the ideas, not in the person. People will fail you, good truthful ideas don't.
Siegfried X| 2.8.10 @ 3:04PM
Would you vote for Obama if he became a Republican?
It's an easy answer for me, has been for decades. I only vote for real conservatives. If there's one running in the Republican Party, that's my choice. Otherwise I vote for a third party conservative.
So if Obama ran as a Republican, I'd vote against him, just like every other liberal Republican. No voting for evil for me, the "lesser of two evils".
If Obama became a Republican and was supported by the party, it would prove that I had nothing to lose by voting third-party conservative, because the Republican Party had become so corrupted that it was just a clone of the Democratic Party.
And that already happened when Republicans nominated cap-and-trade, amnesty McCain in 2008, in a rigged nomination that let cross-over Democrats and winner-take-all voting choose an unpopular, leftist candidate.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:17PM
If Obama became a Republican? If you are saying that he had a true conversion, yes. But that isn't what you are saying, is it? You are saying if Obama "joined" the party. Two very different things. I believe you call that a straw man argument!
If you choose to vote third party you are part of the problem. You are looking for the perfect candidate, and you will NEVER find them.
The third party voter is partly to blame for the election of the country's worst President in history.
Sorry to see that you plan on doing it again!
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:31PM
They elected Bill Klinton too. I hope these Libertarian wingnuts got their thankyou notes from Klinton and Obumba.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 10:59AM
Margie, you are only partly right. Third parties are a mistake, but once the nomination process is over it may be the better choice. NY 23 almost worked! Control of the party machinery and the Primaries is where the battle must be fought. The Republican Party must offer good candidates if it is to succeed!
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:03PM
Hilarious!
The more Sarah Palin shines and succeeds the more the Leftist whiners lie about her!
It is truly laughable! Grown men come out from under their rocks with personal attacks, writers write outlandish pieces with outlandish titles, and the beat goes on!
GO SARAH!!
Garry Owen| 2.8.10 @ 2:11PM
Why not give a speech aimed at the Obama administration. After all, this administration seems to have no interest in the opinion of every day Americans. Why does Obama want to have a bipartian meeting on health care? Because he no longer has the super majority in the Senate. Do you think Obama would seek such a meeting in November of '09? No way. I believe the Tea Party will support any canidate who supports less government, lower taxes, less borrowing, less intrusion on our Constitution by the UN, and an open ear to We the People. These are the very things the Obama administration is refusing to do; therefore the present administration does not deserve the support of any Tea Party movement!
Karla| 2.8.10 @ 2:52PM
Well said and accurate, Gary. Tea Party critics undoubtedly don't know what the movement is about. They should Google the website and educate themselves, lest they come across as fools.
Laura Hollis| 2.8.10 @ 2:17PM
What a load of garbage. The same political movement that has utterly rejected being dominated by political parties is now - surprise! - going to be dominated (or "co-opted") by a political party?
You're dreaming if you think that. Tea Party Conservatives are DONE being taken for a ride by politicians. Anyone who agrees with their principles is welcome to come along. But no one - not Sarah Palin, and not anyone else - is going to make this just another branch of the Republican Party.
It's worth remembering that these people - in perhaps a less organized fashion - handed victories to the Democrats in 2006 and 2008, and they knew damn well they were doing it, too. Their message to RINOs was, "We'll get your attention one way or the other." And they did.
That attitude is even stronger now. And if you don't believe me, I have two words for you: Dede. Scozzafava.
Sarah Palin has promise, but she ain't drivin' this bus.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 2:32PM
You're not "driving this bus" either. So excuse me for interrupting your high and mighty speak.
I'm not quite sure who you think is "running this bus" but it isn't any one person, including you!
Go Sarah!
Siegfried X| 2.8.10 @ 2:32PM
"Why not give a speech aimed at the Obama administration. "
Because conservatives spend way too much time talking about the Democrats, which means way too little time talking about conservatism and the Republican Party.
Bob Miller| 2.8.10 @ 2:33PM
Without some actual drivers the bus will get you nowhere.
Everly Waverly| 2.8.10 @ 2:35PM
To me the "Tea Party" is nothing more than a vehicle for expressing frustration in the leftist direction America is heading. The "Tea Party" public is the who the leftists will have to demonize and that's not a winner, especially when more and more people become involved and the elitists will suffer the consequences at the ballot box. Does the "Republican Party", which I'm a long time registrant, offer an off-season venue for a chance to vent with like-minded conservatives their frustrations and have fun while doing it? Not lately. Sure, the republican party wants your money and if you've got any to spare, go-ahead support the cause, it's the main game in town but lets not try and create nuance where there's none. Will the republican party get my support at election time, you-betcha.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 2:51PM
This "Tea Party Convention" was not representative of the broader movement and I think a lot of people realize that. There was a lot of hostility to the Convention from within the Tea Party movement; so to say Sarah Palin killed it is a gross overstatement.
But Palin did come off as quite clueless. She gave a partisan movement conservative boilerplate speech to a group that has factions and is not on board with all the boilerplate. Does Palin even realize this? Does her speech writer? Normally you target your speech to your audience. Focus on the things everyone agrees on (cutting spending, shrinking government, stopping healthcare, etc.) and stay away from the stuff that is contentious, and among the broader Tea Party movement that includes foreign policy. But she churned out “Obama is weak and we need to saber rattle more” foreign policy boilerplate as if she was completely oblivious to her audience? In addition, she wore a lapel pin with a US and Israel flag? http://conservativetimes.org/?p=4493 Could she be any more clueless?
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:01PM
OOOh, another one crawls out from beneath his slimy rock.
Beware of the Blame America First, anti-Israel crowd that this creep represents. These people try and claim they are the "true" conservatives, and want to claim the Tea Party movement is theirs. They despise Sarah Palin, a real conservative who is Pro-America, for a STRONG Military, and PRO-Israel.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 3:36PM
Non-interventionist Tea Partiers believe that US foreign policy is skewed by our overly tight “special” relationship with Israel. These people would be particularly sensitive to anything that seems to confirm this belief. Palin’s lapel pin does just that. It was a completely politically tone death move on her part unless it was a calculated attempt to in-your-face the non-interventionist faction. (This is true regardless of where someone stands on the issue.) But I don’t think it was the latter. I think she is just clueless.
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:36PM
"Non-interventionist" is Libertarian speak for COWARD!
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:49PM
Funny. It is the interventionist crowd that is constantly in a state of fear about every little perceived threat, and the non-interventionists who are relaxing. So the cowards are who?
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:07PM
Dan Phillips:
"Funny. It is the interventionist crowd that is constantly in a state of fear about every little perceived threat,"
You should do a remake of that great old 60's movie:
"Dr. StrangePaul or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jihadis".
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:37PM
You should do a remake of Chicken Little, because you always think the sky is falling.
"Mommy, mommy, please protect me. The big mean Iranian is trying to hurt me."
Man up, dude.
Margie| 2.9.10 @ 10:27AM
Perverted. You fear Americans more than you fear terrorists!
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:55PM
"if the Soviet Union were to disappear off the face of the map, the United States would quickly seek out new enemies to justify its own military-industrial complex." - former CIA officer, John Stockwell
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:04PM
Dan Phillips:
"US foreign policy is skewed by our overly tight “special” relationship with Israel."
Code for "Bloody Jews have too much influence".
BTW it is "Tone Deaf".
PS It was done on purpose and it did get your goat.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:31PM
victor, many interventionists tout the special relationship as a good and proper thing. Palin specifically mentioned Israel in her speech and in a post speech interview. Do you dispute these facts? If so, where did I misspeak?
From the speech: "Israel, a friend and critical ally, now questions the strength of our support."
From Fox News Sunday: "Say he (Obama) ... decided to really come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do."
If you think this "special" relationship is a good thing fine, but the non-interventionists are entirely justified to be sensitive to it.
CNewman| 2.9.10 @ 11:30AM
Dan Phillips
Non-interventionism is slightly more rational than the traditional Democrat strategy of fight to loose, or the Progressive, Liberal idea, “the enemy is us”. In the long run the result is the same however. Western civilization collapses because the citizens couldn't be bothered to defend it.
Dan Phillips| 2.9.10 @ 1:40PM
CNewman, what is going to bring down the US is not Islamic terrorists who are terrorists because they have no real military to come against us. It is going to be massive debt, imperial overreach, and cultural dissolution brought about by unprecedented levels of immigration. In the effort to prevent the collapse of Western Civilization, a laudable goal we would both agree, disengaging from the Middle East and restricting immigration would go MUCH further toward securing our future than will bombing any number of far off Muslim countries. In Europe especially, the Muslim problem is much more a demographic problem (immigration and differential birth rates) than it is a military problem. But very often the same people who are trumpeting the US spreading democracy are also singing the praises of immigration. (The invade the world, invite the world crowd.) So you tell me who is and is not looking out for the best interests of Western Civilization.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:06PM
Antle, you are certainly right that the impact of the Tea Party is quite complicated. These people supported Scott Brown who is pro-choice and has no problem with gay unions. They are more libertarian than most Republicans. Will social conservatives agree with them?
I would envision their effect to be short term, however. Once they realize that the people they elected get sucked into being a Washington politician, they will go back to doing other things.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:10PM
Margie, I know you are in love with Sarah. But only the mentally deficient will vote for someone who is also mentally deficient. It's really too bad you are so blind to the truth.... I guess that comes from utilizing belief over reason.... You seem to be a shining example of that axiom that ignorance is bliss....
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:19PM
Thank you, Bob. I wear your insults as a badge on honor.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:55PM
I guess you don't understand "honor".... Perhaps if you had served in the military like me, you'd understand the term....
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:00PM
Bob,
Whoever you are, you don't seem to understand anything! But especially, honor.
Bob| 2.8.10 @ 4:09PM
Well, then, we're both in the same predicament. I'll wear your vapid, intellectually vacuous response as a badge of honor, as well.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:46PM
You really are a vile man, aren't you?
VN Vet| 2.8.10 @ 8:39PM
I'm with Margie. John F'n sKerry "served" in the military too. He was just working for the other side.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 8:49PM
I thank you, Sir. Both for your support, and especially for your service. :^)
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:13PM
VN Vet:
"He was just working for the other side."
So did Gore, Murtha and other left wingers.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:10PM
Bob:
"It's really too bad you are so blind to the truth.... I guess that comes from utilizing belief over reason."
Is that why you are voting for Ron Paul on the Third Rail Party ticket?
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 10:10PM
I don't think Bob is a Ron Paul supporter.
Dein| 2.8.10 @ 3:25PM
Nancianne,obama is the bad joke .It has been a very low time for the country since the campaigner in chief lied his way into national office.Correct,congress has dumbed way down since Dems gained majorities led by geniuses Pelosi and Reid
Conservative Bob| 2.8.10 @ 3:44PM
No, Palin has not destroyed the movement, if the Tea Party movies toward becoming a third party we all lose. The Leftist Progressive Democrats win.
If the movement ‘rewards’ conservative limited government candidates with their support the country wins.
At this moment there is no such thing in reality as a moderate democrat, look at all of the votes last year when the chips were down. Nancy and harry had all of the votes they needed when they needed them. For the foreseeable future, there is little or no hope of the returning the democrat party to the middle of the political spectrum.
The only viable choice a limited government, low tax constitutionalist has is the GOP.
The leadership of the GOP may misconstrue the meaning of Scott Brown. You can hear it in some of the big tent language coming out the further we get away from his election.
Brown became a winnable election and regardless of how conservative he is or is not at that moment we were on the brink of passage of the progressive socialist dream. The healthcare entitlement, once in place no matter how watered down with or without the public option it would be difficult to impossible to repeal. Brown was the last chance before irretrievably going over that waterfall and as such the opportunity was seized and he became the 41st vote against the healthcare takeover.
Until such time as the democrats actually have candidates and office holders that are not either full fledged progressive/socialists or stealth progressive/socialists a vote for other than the GOP moves the country rapidly along the path to progressive socialism.
The Tea Party movement can take over the GOP, the Tea Party movement can support conservative limited government candidates over GOP Rhinos etc. To try to remain completely non partisan is to become ineffective and lose the battle at hand to save the republic.
We will need to work hard to take over the party and the leadership will not give up without a fight but it is a fight we can win. Enough money is being withheld and is flowing directly to more conservative candidates. The GOP is making sounds of hearing the message if grudgingly or half heartedly. Over time we will win.
We can afford to take more time reforming and reshaping the GOP but if the ONE has taught us anything it is the cost of protest votes. Until these fools are driven from office we do not have the luxury of protest votes or single issue temper tantrums.
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 3:56PM
I truly pray that everyone who reads your words will heed them. We simply cannot afford another Democrat/Socialist administration in this country.
gmiller| 2.8.10 @ 4:41PM
Nonsense: We won't allow politicos to co-opt the Tea Party, nor will we allow spinners like you to make us think they have. Get a life.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:15PM
The people who voted for and will vote for Obama or allow him to get re-elected should "Get Life".
Can we count on you earning the Scarlett "Q"?
"Q"=Quisling
Margie| 2.8.10 @ 4:51PM
Hey dumbunny, nobody said anything about co-opting the tea party. If you could read you would see that he said just the opposite. That the tea party could co-opt the GOP.
Wake up!
Besides, why do you have a problem with backing conservatives for the Republican party?
Cincinnati Whig| 2.8.10 @ 8:28PM
hey here's an idea: how about if conservatives would VOTE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES?
I know... sounds wacky
JAS| 2.8.10 @ 8:43PM
Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in their primaries.
Dan Phillips| 2.8.10 @ 8:51PM
"Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in their primaries."
Depends on the State.
victor| 2.8.10 @ 9:17PM
"Problem is, the republican party allows commiecrats to vote in their primaries"
The lefties and quislings did that and we wound up with McCain.
Which means we have to close the primary system.
Jimmy| 2.9.10 @ 10:28AM
Sarah is just a simple opportunist that only see a chance to sell more books and try to co- opt a base. Because she has none herself. Is she was really genuine she would not have accepted payment for speaking. Saying it will go back to "the cause" is a lame excuse. We do need a revolution. But is is not Sarah palin who will lead us out of this mess.
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Dwight| 2.11.10 @ 11:24AM
I agree with Kleinheider. Sarah Palin is a fucking retard.
James| 2.12.10 @ 4:09PM
If Sarah Palin becomes the "face" of the Tea Party, then stick a fork in it right now. I cannot believe those idiot organizers selected her of all people to put a face on such an important grass-roots movement. P.S. Her fake ass "folksy" accent makes me gag.