In speaking to House Republicans today, President Obama made a
number of disingenuous claims about integrating their proposals
into the health care legislation.
For instance, Obama said:
“From the start, I sought out and supported ideas from
Republicans. I even talked about an issue which has been a holy
grail for a lot of you, which was tort reform, and said that
I’d be willing to work together as part of a comprehensive
package to deal with it. I just didn’t get a lot of nibbles.”
The operative word here is “talked.” Republicans tried and failed
to get Democrats to address tort reform. Not only do both bills
exclude medical malpractice reform, but the House bill actually
sets up incentives that
discourage such reform at the state level.
Obama today:
“Creating a high-risk pool for uninsured folks with preexisting
conditions. That wasn’t my idea, it was Sen. McCain’s, and I
supported it, and it got incorporated into our approach.”
The high-risk pool “incorporated” in the Senate bill would only
be a temporary measure that would be in effect until 2014, when
the federal government would start requiring insurers to cover
those with preexisting conditions. McCain’s proposal on high-risk
pools was meant as a substitute for taking the drastic step of
imposing such regulations at the federal level, which distorts
the entire insurance market to address a problem that affects a
small percentage of Americans. Requiring coverage of pre-existing
conditions is popular in isolation, but inevitably leads to
skyrocketing premiums, which leads to an individual mandate
forcing healthy people into the insurance pool, which leads to
subsidies, which leads to higher taxes. But regardless what side
of this debate you’re on, the reality is that Democrats didn’t
adopt the high-risk pool idea to incorporate Republican ideas,
it’s just something to hold people over until the regulatory
regime takes over in 4 years. (And remember, the reason they
delayed implementation so long was that by postponing the bill’s
major spending provisions, they made the legislation appear
cheaper over the Congressional Budget Office’s 10-year budget
window).
More Obama:
“Allowing insurance companies to sell insurance across state
lines to add choice and competition and bring down costs for
businesses and consumers…. That’s an idea that was incorporated
into our package.”
This is another misleading statement. The impetus for the
conservative proposal to allow people to purchase insurance
across state lines is that many states have imposed so many
benefit mandates on health insurance that there are parts of the
country where it’s difficult to buy a basic medical plan with
affordable monthly premiums. Obama argued during the campaign
(and reiterated today) that free interstate purchase of insurance
would be a bad idea, because insurers would flock to states with
the least regulations. Again, regardless of what side of the
debate you're on, all the Senate bill would do would be to allow
states to form “compacts” with one another allowing for the
purchase of insurance among any states that form a compact. The
problem is that Obamacare would impose a new federal regulatory
regime, in which there would be minimum benefit requirements
imposed at the national level. So even if states did agree to
form these compacts with one another, all it would mean is that
individuals could have the “choice” of purchasing
government-designed insurance policies on a government-run
exchange in their own state, or instead choose among
government-designed insurance policies offered on the
government-run exchange in another state.
Today’s back and forth between Obama and Republicans was great
theater, but that’s all Obama excels at. If he thinks his ideas
on health care are superior and wants to continue to discard
alternatives, that‘s his choice. But he can’t credibly argue that
he’s made a concerted effort to integrate opposing ideas into the
current legislation.
Unlike the coward Bush, Obama had the guts to walk solo into a
room with 140 enemies and face them down.
And no matter how Mr. Klein spins the GOP proposals on health,
the truth is that the GOP wants to cut insurance costs by cutting
the quality of health care. That's the essential truth behind
"interstate competition." Insurers in states that care about
companies cutting people as soon as they get sick will then fold
shop and reincorporate in states that don't. Insurers will pay
off the politicians you like to set up shops in states that allow
preexisting condition exemptions, broadly allow "fraud"
cancellations for people who omit youthful acne on their
applications, and then close shop in states whose governments
actually have the socialist gall to protect their people.
Insurance will cost less because insurance will cover less, and
health will suffer.
And then who will step in? The federal government.
Face it, cons, Obama cleaned your clock yesterday, and he did so
by telling the truth.
singer 2| 1.30.10 @ 2:11PM
Someone doesn't know their history. George Bush DID attend the
Democrat gathering. Get your facts straight. Liberals think if
they say something, whether it be true or false, it is true
because they said it. Shame!
Truthman| 1.30.10 @ 3:15PM
Obama's only truth is power at any cost. Deception has always
been the devil's device. Your Emperor has no clothing sir.
Tammy| 1.31.10 @ 6:18PM
A limousine carrying President Obama pulled up to the curb and
nobody got out.
Obama's an empty suit.
Tessa| 1.29.10 @ 7:46PM
He's a figurehead. Don't give him so much credit.
west| 1.29.10 @ 8:23PM
I find it fascinating that he is claiming to have used an idea of
John McCain's in his healthcare plan. Since when does he side
with McCain on anything? Only when he thinks he can get away with
the lie and make himself look like a "moderate" bipartisan.
Paul '52| 1.30.10 @ 12:30PM
Funny how you look at history here. There was an election in
2008. Obama and McCain agreed, close Guantanamo. Obama announces
he's closing G'itmo and McCain criticizes him because Obama's not
dotting "i"s and crossing "t"s the same way McCain would. McCain
campaigns on cutting medicare by 800 billion over 10 years. Obama
wins, proposes 500 billion in cuts, and McCains says "no, that's
endangering Medicare."
And you say "since when does Obama side with McCain on anything?"
If it weren't so transparantly pathetic, you'd be funny.
MikeS| 1.30.10 @ 2:48PM
Obama, McCain, and President Bush all wanted to close Gitmo! The
difference is in the details.
The idea of moving detainees and their trials to the U.S. is
purely and Obama idea.
west| 1.29.10 @ 8:23PM
I find it fascinating that he is claiming to have used an idea of
John McCain's in his healthcare plan. Since when does he side
with McCain on anything? Only when he thinks he can get away with
the lie and make himself look like a "moderate" bipartisan.
Siegfried X| 1.29.10 @ 8:33PM
"Since when does he side with McCain on anything? "
Since Obama lost his 60th Democrat vote. Now they are studying
all the RINOs, including McCain, trying to find one or two to go
along with health care, breaking the filibuster and so that the
Democrats can call it "bipartisan".
So there is no doubt that Obama's team is studying every
Republican health care plan, to try and get that RINO to go along
with Obama.
Siegfried X| 1.29.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't understand why "Republicans" have come out with a plan
that has the same goals as the Democrats. What's wrong with
President Reagan's idea of a "safety net"?
Warof2010| 1.30.10 @ 6:19AM
Our Demand
We, the American People
American Patriots All
Allegiance To Our Flag, in Accordance With Our
Constitution,
For Love Of Our Country, One Nation Under God
are being portrayed as right-wing extremists,
a lunatic fringe element, and astroturf
we are everyday Americans
We, are the American People
In regards to this administration's lobbyist-generated
back-room, closed-door, Healthcare Reform Bill,
to say Americans are ANGRY is the
"understatement of the year"
Enough already
Stop the insanity
Keep your politics out of our Healthcare
Healthcare reform done right utilizes the K.I.S.S.
philosophy
and first focuses on four primary cost factors
Fraud, Tort, Billing, and Drug Prices
Healthcare fraud is said to cost taxpayers
hundreds of billions of dollars a year
With an intelligent database
there would not be this cost
Only idiots would add trillions of dollars
to a healthcare system that is leaking money like a sieve
without fixing the system first
Tort Insurance is quoted as between 4-6%
of the overall Healthcare cost
an estimated 120 Billion Dollars per year
Seems quite logical that to reduce costs
to take lawyers out of our healthcare
Billing hassle is quoted as 8%
of the overall Healthcare cost
With an intelligent database
there would not be this cost
Drug Price Reform
Americans demand the right
to obtain our prescription drugs
from the least expensive legitimate
pharmaceutical source on the planet
this is not subject to discussion
E-Verifying recipients for unemployment benefits
will save substantial amounts of money
and E-Verifying Driver's License recipients
will help secure our country
and E-Verifying all workers will generate 8.3 million jobs
currently held by known illegals
all recipients, of any entitlement
federal, or state
must be E-Verified to eliminate most fraud
and preferably Bio-ID'd to eliminate all fraud
Need we remind Congress, and this administration
that Entitlements cost taxpayers 50% of our Federal Budget
Fraud in Entitlements alone
costs Americans more, each year, than both wars
and arguably, fraud costs Americans, more, in a single year
than both wars, in total, over the last ten years
FIX THE FRAUD FIRST before doing anything else
and we'll save 1 Trillion Dollars a year
actually even more
in the meantime we will solicit
the input of all healthcare workers,
caring doctors, nurses, technicians,
and maintenance workers, et al
so they can tell us how to improve healthcare
and reduce the cost
in these very trying times
that are very likely to last for far longer
than any of us want them to.
they will help save healthcare for us
Do not disregard, We, the American People
by continuing to act, deaf, dumb, and blind
to the overwhelming consensus
of the very people you profess to represent
First Fix Fraud, Tort, Billing, and Drug Prices
process the ideas of the healthcare people
and we can have a one page bill
for We, the American People
sometime after we back away from the abyss
and are back on our feet again.
to say now is not the time
is another of those
"understatements of the year"
Terrorists should always be
the responsibility of our Military and our CIA
Keep Gitmo open
it's the perfect out of the way place
to keep terrorists, who would do harm to our citizens,
imprisoned by our military
and last, but not at all least
FREE OUR NAVY SEALS
punishing our Seals for punching a known terrorist
isn't any consolation for the deaths of innocent Americans
and it doesn't at all present the image of who we Americans
are
Americans stand riveted behind our Military and our Intelligence
Community
they must be encouraged to keep us safe
not deterred for petty offenses in the exercising of their
duties
Heaven forbid if we, Americans, ever got our hands on
terrorists
there would be no need for a trial
A Contract Of, For, and With, Americans
Patriots, it is our duty to educate all Americans
Here here...this is the most concise statement yet...I love the
KISS method...they can bring those terrorists around any of our
East Texas hunting camps..we'll give them a fair trial and a
speedy hanging.
Paul '52| 1.30.10 @ 12:33PM
We come out of 8 years of GOP control of the Executive branch,
the Justice Dept, Health & Human Services, the FBI, etc.,
and you're shocked at the extent of fraud in health care?
Why didn't you guys do anything about it?
Based on your calculations (120 billion a year) we can cover the
costs of the uninsured just by proper policing.
Patriot| 1.31.10 @ 6:22PM
We tried but you liberal bastards in congress wouldn't let
us--just like Barney Frank and Fannie/Freddie caused the economic
meltdown.
You democrats are suffused with corruption and you clowns are
goin' down in November.
Can hardly wait.
cooper52| 1.30.10 @ 6:35AM
Olbermann and Obama belong in the same padded room.
martin j smith| 1.30.10 @ 8:11AM
rules of thumb to deal with Obama: Treat him politely but not
with too much deference. Do not believe anything he says until
his actions coincide with his words. And even then, keep your
ears to the ground at all times.
Pete| 1.30.10 @ 9:20AM
I would say laugh at and ridicule him openly. He might just take
his own life once he gets that he is the joke.
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.30.10 @ 9:49AM
This man is INCAPABLE of telling the TRUTH. "I'm not an
IDEOLOGUE."
Another reader got it EXACTLY RIGHT. How do you trust a man who
sends his JUSTICE DEPARTMENT to DESTROY THE LIVES of CIA
personnel, that KEPT US SAFE, and NAVY SEALS, who DID THEIR JOB,
apprehending an AL QAEDA BUTCHER. While at the same time, giving
three BLACK PANTHER SCUM, a GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD?
That's all you need to know about this PIECE OF GARBAGE.
martin j smith| 1.30.10 @ 2:13PM
Here is a hypothesis on why Obama may have beens "chosen " in the
"backroom by the Democrat Party. The deal was possibly made that
Obama would be the "bad guy" pushing for known unpopular stuff.
He would be a one term president. Now with all the attention (
nagative ) against Obama, in comes Hillary ( Obama " resigns" )
and Hillary, not taged with the negative connotation that Obama
accumulated, tries to triangulate Obama and the Republicans. We (
I ) will know how possibly valid this is in due time. If Obama
continues his course of being Hugo Chavez jr and runs for a
second term, I will be wrong. But, if he doesn't......
tima| 1.30.10 @ 2:31PM
If the GOP's idea on healthcare are sooooo great, why is it that
in the 6 years they had the WH, and both houses of Congress, the
only healthcare bill of any consequence that passed was a huge
new entitlement, without consideration of the millions of
uninsured?
Please, any GOP supporter answer this...
Truthman| 1.30.10 @ 3:23PM
Fellow patriots: the Progressives have us talking about the
details and virtues of "HealthCare Reform", but it isn't about
Healthcare but a mechanism by which the Federal Government
controls our lives from cradle to death (Communism).
Ken (OLD Texican)| 1.29.10 @ 5:01PM
Sorry, Mr. Klein.
O is a congenital liar.
Paul '52| 1.30.10 @ 12:18PM
Unlike the coward Bush, Obama had the guts to walk solo into a room with 140 enemies and face them down.
And no matter how Mr. Klein spins the GOP proposals on health, the truth is that the GOP wants to cut insurance costs by cutting the quality of health care. That's the essential truth behind "interstate competition." Insurers in states that care about companies cutting people as soon as they get sick will then fold shop and reincorporate in states that don't. Insurers will pay off the politicians you like to set up shops in states that allow preexisting condition exemptions, broadly allow "fraud" cancellations for people who omit youthful acne on their applications, and then close shop in states whose governments actually have the socialist gall to protect their people.
Insurance will cost less because insurance will cover less, and health will suffer.
And then who will step in? The federal government.
Face it, cons, Obama cleaned your clock yesterday, and he did so by telling the truth.
singer 2| 1.30.10 @ 2:11PM
Someone doesn't know their history. George Bush DID attend the Democrat gathering. Get your facts straight. Liberals think if they say something, whether it be true or false, it is true because they said it. Shame!
Truthman| 1.30.10 @ 3:15PM
Obama's only truth is power at any cost. Deception has always been the devil's device. Your Emperor has no clothing sir.
Tammy| 1.31.10 @ 6:18PM
A limousine carrying President Obama pulled up to the curb and nobody got out.
Obama's an empty suit.
Tessa| 1.29.10 @ 7:46PM
He's a figurehead. Don't give him so much credit.
west| 1.29.10 @ 8:23PM
I find it fascinating that he is claiming to have used an idea of John McCain's in his healthcare plan. Since when does he side with McCain on anything? Only when he thinks he can get away with the lie and make himself look like a "moderate" bipartisan.
Paul '52| 1.30.10 @ 12:30PM
Funny how you look at history here. There was an election in 2008. Obama and McCain agreed, close Guantanamo. Obama announces he's closing G'itmo and McCain criticizes him because Obama's not dotting "i"s and crossing "t"s the same way McCain would. McCain campaigns on cutting medicare by 800 billion over 10 years. Obama wins, proposes 500 billion in cuts, and McCains says "no, that's endangering Medicare."
And you say "since when does Obama side with McCain on anything?"
If it weren't so transparantly pathetic, you'd be funny.
MikeS| 1.30.10 @ 2:48PM
Obama, McCain, and President Bush all wanted to close Gitmo! The difference is in the details.
The idea of moving detainees and their trials to the U.S. is purely and Obama idea.
west| 1.29.10 @ 8:23PM
I find it fascinating that he is claiming to have used an idea of John McCain's in his healthcare plan. Since when does he side with McCain on anything? Only when he thinks he can get away with the lie and make himself look like a "moderate" bipartisan.
Siegfried X| 1.29.10 @ 8:33PM
"Since when does he side with McCain on anything? "
Since Obama lost his 60th Democrat vote. Now they are studying all the RINOs, including McCain, trying to find one or two to go along with health care, breaking the filibuster and so that the Democrats can call it "bipartisan".
So there is no doubt that Obama's team is studying every Republican health care plan, to try and get that RINO to go along with Obama.
Siegfried X| 1.29.10 @ 9:05PM
I don't understand why "Republicans" have come out with a plan that has the same goals as the Democrats. What's wrong with President Reagan's idea of a "safety net"?
Warof2010| 1.30.10 @ 6:19AM
Our Demand
We, the American People
American Patriots All
Allegiance To Our Flag, in Accordance With Our Constitution,
For Love Of Our Country, One Nation Under God
are being portrayed as right-wing extremists,
a lunatic fringe element, and astroturf
we are everyday Americans
We, are the American People
In regards to this administration's lobbyist-generated
back-room, closed-door, Healthcare Reform Bill,
to say Americans are ANGRY is the
"understatement of the year"
Enough already
Stop the insanity
Keep your politics out of our Healthcare
Healthcare reform done right utilizes the K.I.S.S. philosophy
and first focuses on four primary cost factors
Fraud, Tort, Billing, and Drug Prices
Healthcare fraud is said to cost taxpayers
hundreds of billions of dollars a year
With an intelligent database
there would not be this cost
Only idiots would add trillions of dollars
to a healthcare system that is leaking money like a sieve
without fixing the system first
Tort Insurance is quoted as between 4-6%
of the overall Healthcare cost
an estimated 120 Billion Dollars per year
Seems quite logical that to reduce costs
to take lawyers out of our healthcare
Billing hassle is quoted as 8%
of the overall Healthcare cost
With an intelligent database
there would not be this cost
Drug Price Reform
Americans demand the right
to obtain our prescription drugs
from the least expensive legitimate
pharmaceutical source on the planet
this is not subject to discussion
E-Verifying recipients for unemployment benefits
will save substantial amounts of money
and E-Verifying Driver's License recipients
will help secure our country
and E-Verifying all workers will generate 8.3 million jobs
currently held by known illegals
all recipients, of any entitlement
federal, or state
must be E-Verified to eliminate most fraud
and preferably Bio-ID'd to eliminate all fraud
Need we remind Congress, and this administration
that Entitlements cost taxpayers 50% of our Federal Budget
Fraud in Entitlements alone
costs Americans more, each year, than both wars
and arguably, fraud costs Americans, more, in a single year
than both wars, in total, over the last ten years
FIX THE FRAUD FIRST before doing anything else
and we'll save 1 Trillion Dollars a year
actually even more
in the meantime we will solicit
the input of all healthcare workers,
caring doctors, nurses, technicians,
and maintenance workers, et al
so they can tell us how to improve healthcare
and reduce the cost
in these very trying times
that are very likely to last for far longer
than any of us want them to.
they will help save healthcare for us
Do not disregard, We, the American People
by continuing to act, deaf, dumb, and blind
to the overwhelming consensus
of the very people you profess to represent
First Fix Fraud, Tort, Billing, and Drug Prices
process the ideas of the healthcare people
and we can have a one page bill
for We, the American People
sometime after we back away from the abyss
and are back on our feet again.
to say now is not the time
is another of those
"understatements of the year"
Terrorists should always be
the responsibility of our Military and our CIA
Keep Gitmo open
it's the perfect out of the way place
to keep terrorists, who would do harm to our citizens,
imprisoned by our military
and last, but not at all least
FREE OUR NAVY SEALS
punishing our Seals for punching a known terrorist
isn't any consolation for the deaths of innocent Americans
and it doesn't at all present the image of who we Americans are
Americans stand riveted behind our Military and our Intelligence Community
they must be encouraged to keep us safe
not deterred for petty offenses in the exercising of their duties
Heaven forbid if we, Americans, ever got our hands on terrorists
there would be no need for a trial
A Contract Of, For, and With, Americans
Patriots, it is our duty to educate all Americans
http://bit.ly/5Y15h8
Jeff | 1.30.10 @ 9:30AM
Here here...this is the most concise statement yet...I love the KISS method...they can bring those terrorists around any of our East Texas hunting camps..we'll give them a fair trial and a speedy hanging.
Paul '52| 1.30.10 @ 12:33PM
We come out of 8 years of GOP control of the Executive branch, the Justice Dept, Health & Human Services, the FBI, etc.,
and you're shocked at the extent of fraud in health care?
Why didn't you guys do anything about it?
Based on your calculations (120 billion a year) we can cover the costs of the uninsured just by proper policing.
Patriot| 1.31.10 @ 6:22PM
We tried but you liberal bastards in congress wouldn't let us--just like Barney Frank and Fannie/Freddie caused the economic meltdown.
You democrats are suffused with corruption and you clowns are goin' down in November.
Can hardly wait.
cooper52| 1.30.10 @ 6:35AM
Olbermann and Obama belong in the same padded room.
martin j smith| 1.30.10 @ 8:11AM
rules of thumb to deal with Obama: Treat him politely but not with too much deference. Do not believe anything he says until his actions coincide with his words. And even then, keep your ears to the ground at all times.
Pete| 1.30.10 @ 9:20AM
I would say laugh at and ridicule him openly. He might just take his own life once he gets that he is the joke.
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.30.10 @ 9:49AM
This man is INCAPABLE of telling the TRUTH. "I'm not an IDEOLOGUE."
Another reader got it EXACTLY RIGHT. How do you trust a man who sends his JUSTICE DEPARTMENT to DESTROY THE LIVES of CIA personnel, that KEPT US SAFE, and NAVY SEALS, who DID THEIR JOB, apprehending an AL QAEDA BUTCHER. While at the same time, giving three BLACK PANTHER SCUM, a GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD?
That's all you need to know about this PIECE OF GARBAGE.
martin j smith| 1.30.10 @ 2:13PM
Here is a hypothesis on why Obama may have beens "chosen " in the "backroom by the Democrat Party. The deal was possibly made that Obama would be the "bad guy" pushing for known unpopular stuff. He would be a one term president. Now with all the attention ( nagative ) against Obama, in comes Hillary ( Obama " resigns" ) and Hillary, not taged with the negative connotation that Obama accumulated, tries to triangulate Obama and the Republicans. We ( I ) will know how possibly valid this is in due time. If Obama continues his course of being Hugo Chavez jr and runs for a second term, I will be wrong. But, if he doesn't......
tima| 1.30.10 @ 2:31PM
If the GOP's idea on healthcare are sooooo great, why is it that in the 6 years they had the WH, and both houses of Congress, the only healthcare bill of any consequence that passed was a huge new entitlement, without consideration of the millions of uninsured?
Please, any GOP supporter answer this...
Truthman| 1.30.10 @ 3:23PM
Fellow patriots: the Progressives have us talking about the details and virtues of "HealthCare Reform", but it isn't about Healthcare but a mechanism by which the Federal Government controls our lives from cradle to death (Communism).
mili8951| 5.10.10 @ 2:23AM
http://www.edhardycawholesale.com/