Wow. Pete Wehner does a take-down, a pin-to-the-mat, and a
knockout, all in one motion, in this
devastating assault on the blatherings of The New Republic's
Jonathan Chait. Wehner starts by noting these words from a Dec.
2008 Chait column: The practical import of the Obama mandate
debate has fallen on the question of whether he should pursue his
goal of comprehensive health care reform, which numerous pundits
and even some Democrats have tagged as dangerously ambitious. But
this is one area where undiluted liberalism enjoys overwhelming
public support.
Ouch. If quoting one's own words back at them can be painful,
this is excruciating, even without Wehner's subsequent on-target
comments. Of the Chait excuse-making now, Wehner writes: "It is
all rather pathetic." Yes, it is.
This is the same Jonathan Chait, remember, who in March of 2004
wrote a
whole column about his "hate" for George W. Bush. Not
disagreement with, not criticism of, but hatred. At great length
-- GREAT length -- Chait fulminated about why it was logical,
right, fair, intelligent, and even a virtue to hate Bush. He
culminated with this bit of viciousness: Bush is a dullard
lacking any moral constraints in his pursuit of partisan gain,
loyal to no principle save the comfort of the very rich,
unburdened by any thoughtful consideration of the national
interest, and a man who, on those occasions when he actually does
make a correct decision, does so almost by accident.
Well, today Wehner took down the Chait-monger. Very well done.
I think in the context of todays politics Democrat Left Folks
LIE. That is the whole ball of wax. Once you get that everything
makes sense.
martin j smith| 1.27.10 @ 3:41PM
I think in the context of todays politics Democrat Left Folks
LIE. That is the whole ball of wax. Once you get that everything
makes sense.
George Thomas| 1.27.10 @ 3:42PM
Nice link Quin. Pete Wehner does nice work, and this is really
good stuff.
Derek Leaberry| 1.27.10 @ 5:05PM
Despite Wehner's triumpalism it must be said that Obama's decline
is more due to the public's dislike of high liberalism and not
due to any acceptance of a conservative program. A large-scale
conservative program of budget cuts, including the desperately
needed cuts in entitlements, would make the Republicans more
despised than the Democrats are today. Americans are either
confused or puerile. You can't have big government and low taxes
and be fiscally prudent at the same time. American schizophrenia
is not viable in the long term.
Alan Brooks| 1.27.10 @ 9:01PM
Derek Leaberry gets it right everytime. But we need a Defense tax
so the burden is placed on everyone, and so that everybody knows
where the funds are going.
But naturally you will disagree. you'll say "Alan is a leftist"
even though social progressivism is on its deathbed and I want it
sent to the morgue. But, remember, AGAIN, scientific and economic
progress continue.
Barbara| 1.27.10 @ 6:46PM
Sends shivers up your spine, don't it? Chait was describing
dullard Obama!
Alan Brooks| 1.27.10 @ 8:55PM
Don't gloat so soon, libertopians; here is the good (& great)
Mr. Wehner's autopsy on Randianism:
"According to Politico.com, Ayn Rand — the subject of two new
biographies, one of which is titled Goddess of the Market: Ayn
Rand and the American Right — is “having a mainstream moment,”
including among conservatives. (Gov. Mark Sanford of South
Carolina wrote a piece in Newsweek on Rand, saying, “This is a
very good time for a Rand resurgence. She’s more relevant than
ever.”).
I hope the moment passes. Ms. Rand may have been a popular
novelist, but her philosophy is deeply problematic and morally
indefensible.
Ayn Rand was, of course, the founder of Objectivism – whose
ethic, she said in a 1964 interview, holds that “man exists for
his own sake, that the pursuit of his own happiness is his
highest moral purpose, that he must not sacrifice himself to
others, nor sacrifice others to himself.” She has argued that
“friendship, family life and human relationships are not primary
in a man’s life. A man who places others first, above his own
creative work, is an emotional parasite; whereas, if he places
his work first, there is no conflict between his work and his
enjoyment of human relationships.” And about Jesus she said:
I do regard the cross as the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal
to the nonideal. Isn’t that what it does mean? Christ, in terms
of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies
that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the
Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins
but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of
perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are
expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a
Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the
notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to
vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to
sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how
the symbolism is used. That is torture.
Many conservatives aren’t aware that it was Whittaker Chambers
who, in 1957, reviewed Atlas Shrugged in National Review and read
her out of the conservative movement. The most striking feature
of the book, Chambers said, was its “dictatorial tone . . . Its
shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal .
. . From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard,
from painful necessity, commanding: ‘To a gas chamber — go!’”
William F. Buckley Jr. himself wrote about her “desiccated
philosophy’s conclusive incompatibility with the conservative’s
emphasis on transcendence, intellectual and moral; but also there
is the incongruity of tone, that hard, schematic, implacable,
unyielding dogmatism that is in itself intrinsically
objectionable.”
Yet there are some strands within conservatism that still veer
toward Rand and her views of government (“The government should
be concerned only with those issues which involve the use of
force,” she argued. “This means: the police, the armed services,
and the law courts to settle disputes among men. Nothing else.”),
and many conservatives identify with her novelistic hero John
Galt, who declared, “I swear — by my life and my love of it —
that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask
another man to live for mine.”
But this attitude has very little to do with authentic
conservatism, at least the kind embodied by Edmund Burke, Adam
Smith (chair of moral philosophy at the University of Glasgow),
and James Madison, to name just a few. What Rand was peddling is
a brittle, arid, mean, and ultimately hollow philosophy. No
society could thrive if its tenets were taken seriously and
widely accepted. Ayn Rand may have been an interesting figure and
a good (if extremely long-winded) novelist; but her views were
pernicious, the antithesis of a humane and proper worldview. And
conservatives should say so."
Roger Zimmerman| 1.28.10 @ 9:52AM
Aside from your unsubstantiated evaluations in the final
paragraph, this is a refreshingly fair presentation of some of
Ayn Rand's thought for a short blog comment. Your quotations are
accurate, even if their full context is not included (as, I
admit, would not be possible in this forum).
It _should_ be clear to readers of this blog that Objectivism and
Conservatism are at fundamental odds: Conservatives do accept
faith (i.e. religion) over reason and altruism over egoism. That
Rand is able to draw a direct line from reason and egoism to
political freedom - and that Conservatives cannot do the same
starting at faith and altruism - is left as an exercise to all
open-minded readers.
John W. Bales| 1.27.10 @ 11:26PM
Hopefully more than a few conservatives will follow Ayn Rand's
lead and abandon conservatism for a more rational and humane
philosophy--Objectivism.
Margie| 1.30.10 @ 3:43PM
Rand the Atheist? Yeah now there's a philosophy to admire. Reject
God and get with the program, eh?
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Joseph McHugh| 1.28.10 @ 9:06AM
Ayn Rand is extremely important because she provides the only
rational defense of Capitalism ever. Religion and subjectivism
easily are felled when trotted out to defend liberty.
Oldefarte| 1.28.10 @ 11:50AM
I strongly suspect that Americans [and yes, even some
terrorist-liberals also] NOW profoundly wish [and pray] that this
country had Bush for its president, instead of what they are
stuck with presently!!!!
Harry Binswanger| 1.28.10 @ 12:40PM
Ayn Rand pointed out that the attempt to defend freedom
(capitalism) on the basis of religious faith is to imply that
reason is on the side of the enemies of freedom. Conservatives,
please take note.
Margie| 1.30.10 @ 3:47PM
Idiots take note: Atheists reject God. They therefore view
everything from their God rejected debased minds and should not
be listened to.
martin j smith| 1.27.10 @ 3:41PM
I think in the context of todays politics Democrat Left Folks LIE. That is the whole ball of wax. Once you get that everything makes sense.
martin j smith| 1.27.10 @ 3:41PM
I think in the context of todays politics Democrat Left Folks LIE. That is the whole ball of wax. Once you get that everything makes sense.
George Thomas| 1.27.10 @ 3:42PM
Nice link Quin. Pete Wehner does nice work, and this is really good stuff.
Derek Leaberry| 1.27.10 @ 5:05PM
Despite Wehner's triumpalism it must be said that Obama's decline is more due to the public's dislike of high liberalism and not due to any acceptance of a conservative program. A large-scale conservative program of budget cuts, including the desperately needed cuts in entitlements, would make the Republicans more despised than the Democrats are today. Americans are either confused or puerile. You can't have big government and low taxes and be fiscally prudent at the same time. American schizophrenia is not viable in the long term.
Alan Brooks| 1.27.10 @ 9:01PM
Derek Leaberry gets it right everytime. But we need a Defense tax so the burden is placed on everyone, and so that everybody knows where the funds are going.
But naturally you will disagree. you'll say "Alan is a leftist" even though social progressivism is on its deathbed and I want it sent to the morgue. But, remember, AGAIN, scientific and economic progress continue.
Barbara| 1.27.10 @ 6:46PM
Sends shivers up your spine, don't it? Chait was describing dullard Obama!
Alan Brooks| 1.27.10 @ 8:55PM
Don't gloat so soon, libertopians; here is the good (& great) Mr. Wehner's autopsy on Randianism:
"According to Politico.com, Ayn Rand — the subject of two new biographies, one of which is titled Goddess of the Market: Ayn Rand and the American Right — is “having a mainstream moment,” including among conservatives. (Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina wrote a piece in Newsweek on Rand, saying, “This is a very good time for a Rand resurgence. She’s more relevant than ever.”).
I hope the moment passes. Ms. Rand may have been a popular novelist, but her philosophy is deeply problematic and morally indefensible.
Ayn Rand was, of course, the founder of Objectivism – whose ethic, she said in a 1964 interview, holds that “man exists for his own sake, that the pursuit of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose, that he must not sacrifice himself to others, nor sacrifice others to himself.” She has argued that “friendship, family life and human relationships are not primary in a man’s life. A man who places others first, above his own creative work, is an emotional parasite; whereas, if he places his work first, there is no conflict between his work and his enjoyment of human relationships.” And about Jesus she said:
I do regard the cross as the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal to the nonideal. Isn’t that what it does mean? Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture.
Many conservatives aren’t aware that it was Whittaker Chambers who, in 1957, reviewed Atlas Shrugged in National Review and read her out of the conservative movement. The most striking feature of the book, Chambers said, was its “dictatorial tone . . . Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal . . . From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: ‘To a gas chamber — go!’”
William F. Buckley Jr. himself wrote about her “desiccated philosophy’s conclusive incompatibility with the conservative’s emphasis on transcendence, intellectual and moral; but also there is the incongruity of tone, that hard, schematic, implacable, unyielding dogmatism that is in itself intrinsically objectionable.”
Yet there are some strands within conservatism that still veer toward Rand and her views of government (“The government should be concerned only with those issues which involve the use of force,” she argued. “This means: the police, the armed services, and the law courts to settle disputes among men. Nothing else.”), and many conservatives identify with her novelistic hero John Galt, who declared, “I swear — by my life and my love of it — that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
But this attitude has very little to do with authentic conservatism, at least the kind embodied by Edmund Burke, Adam Smith (chair of moral philosophy at the University of Glasgow), and James Madison, to name just a few. What Rand was peddling is a brittle, arid, mean, and ultimately hollow philosophy. No society could thrive if its tenets were taken seriously and widely accepted. Ayn Rand may have been an interesting figure and a good (if extremely long-winded) novelist; but her views were pernicious, the antithesis of a humane and proper worldview. And conservatives should say so."
Roger Zimmerman| 1.28.10 @ 9:52AM
Aside from your unsubstantiated evaluations in the final paragraph, this is a refreshingly fair presentation of some of Ayn Rand's thought for a short blog comment. Your quotations are accurate, even if their full context is not included (as, I admit, would not be possible in this forum).
It _should_ be clear to readers of this blog that Objectivism and Conservatism are at fundamental odds: Conservatives do accept faith (i.e. religion) over reason and altruism over egoism. That Rand is able to draw a direct line from reason and egoism to political freedom - and that Conservatives cannot do the same starting at faith and altruism - is left as an exercise to all open-minded readers.
John W. Bales| 1.27.10 @ 11:26PM
Hopefully more than a few conservatives will follow Ayn Rand's lead and abandon conservatism for a more rational and humane philosophy--Objectivism.
Margie| 1.30.10 @ 3:43PM
Rand the Atheist? Yeah now there's a philosophy to admire. Reject God and get with the program, eh?
Pingback| 1.28.10 @ 9:04AM
Twitter Trackbacks for The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Wehner's Politics of Ch links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Joseph McHugh| 1.28.10 @ 9:06AM
Ayn Rand is extremely important because she provides the only rational defense of Capitalism ever. Religion and subjectivism easily are felled when trotted out to defend liberty.
Oldefarte| 1.28.10 @ 11:50AM
I strongly suspect that Americans [and yes, even some terrorist-liberals also] NOW profoundly wish [and pray] that this country had Bush for its president, instead of what they are stuck with presently!!!!
Harry Binswanger| 1.28.10 @ 12:40PM
Ayn Rand pointed out that the attempt to defend freedom (capitalism) on the basis of religious faith is to imply that reason is on the side of the enemies of freedom. Conservatives, please take note.
Margie| 1.30.10 @ 3:47PM
Idiots take note: Atheists reject God. They therefore view everything from their God rejected debased minds and should not be listened to.