The American Spectator

Tim| 1.27.10 @ 10:35AM

Asked for comment, President Obama replied :"Ramming Speed!"

Oldefarte| 1.27.10 @ 10:52AM

If it ever gets down to 13%, we all should be aware of who/what that represents, right?????

Tim| 1.27.10 @ 10:55AM

Don't follow you

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 12:17PM

He's referring -- perhaps -- to black people, who make up around 12 or 13% of the population. When you respond to Oldefarte, Tim, don't forget to include the secret mating call of the grand dragon.

ds80| 1.27.10 @ 2:00PM

Not sure what that call is. Perhaps Robert KKK Byrd (D-WV) would let us in on the secret.

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 3:37PM

ds80 --

Do you imagine that bigots on the right are some how invulnerable to criticism because there have been bigots in the Democratic Party?

I think your sense of justice is a little impoverished and -- perhaps from neglect -- rusty.

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 12:16PM

Mr Klein --

There's just no way I could deny that many Americans have turned against the Democrats' ideas on health care reform.

However, these polls you cite can be misleading.

Many of the people who way they do not support current legislation have rejected it because it does NOT include a public option.

Remember: the public option was considered by many on the left (who were pushing for a single payer initiative) as THE moderate compromise with conservatives who claim the market still holds the best promise of bringing down health care related prices.

Those people on the left who suppoort only legislation with a public option considerably inflates the numbers you're quoting, and not to acknowledge that makes it seem like you're using the polls in bad faith.

Oldefarte| 1.27.10 @ 1:43PM

Duh, shazam, you LIBERAL MORON, ya thinks ["....There's just no way I could deny that many Americans have turned against the Democrats' ideas on health care reform....."]. What a brilliant statement [about as much so as a SCREEN DOOR IN A SUBMARINE!]. Listen, dumba*&, people[or at least TAXPAYERS] turned against the socialist-Democruds' idea of health care because it's WELFARE, got it? It's THE CHOSEN ONE'S """""WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION"""", since it provides FREE health insurance to the indigent constituents of Democrats [in return for their loyal votes] and forces the American taxpayers [who already now have health insurance] to PAY FOR IT out of their own wallets.What a dumb345!!!!!

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 3:38PM

Oldefarte --

Slow down, why don't you, and try to make a coherent point I can understand. Then I'll try to respond. But you sound like a goddamn lunatic in this post.

Big Java| 1.27.10 @ 12:34PM

Let's see...Senator Brown of Mass.

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 1:39PM

Yes, Java. Let's see about Brown.

Provided we actually decide to SEE about Brown and not just make up any old bullshit.

The majority of independents who voted for Brown FAVOR a public option in the federal health reform bill.

The vast majority of those who voted for Brown FAVOR the MA health reform (written by Romney and voted FOR by Brown).

Brown did not warn against "death panels" when MA passed its reform. He's very different from -- at least for now -- the imbeciles on the right who engaged in that sort of foolishness last summer.

So yes, Let's see....Senator Brown of MA. What does it all mean? I don't think the lesson is simple. Surely, it's not a huge win for the Democrats -- obviously.

But nor is it a win for the Know-Nothing, Sarah-Palin, Glenn-Beck Nitwit We-Hate-Everything Crowd on the right.

Big Java| 1.27.10 @ 1:56PM

We'll see...

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 3:39PM

"We'll see" is NOT an argument. It's a childish evasion of debate.

Politics is for men, Java, not children.

ds80| 1.27.10 @ 2:04PM

"... Know-Nothing, Sarah-Palin, Glenn-Beck Nitwit We-Hate-Everything Crowd on the right."
Wait ... you forget "Laughing-At-Liberal Reader's-Fulminations" in that list.

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 3:40PM

If you'll accept what I've written, I'm happy to accept your amendment: we'll have a just resolution, I think.

Liberal Reader| 1.27.10 @ 3:21PM

I would say that about 1 in 15 responses to my posts at the American Spectator deal with the substance of what I wrote.

My POINT was that while Brown's victory is clearly NOT a victory for Democrats, it is NOT the case that the victory is for the most reactionary and mouth-frothing outraged of the fringes of the fringes of the right.

Brown's actual stated positions and voting records belie the notion that his election to the Senate was a single of people moving drastically to the right.

Rather, it was the same old signal all special and midterm elections tend to give: people are moving to the center and attempting to correct for what they perceive as overreaching.

Even REAGAN endured these corrections. So did Clinton, so did W., and so will Obama.

Ever since you guys cancelled your newspaper subscriptions and started believing any hysterical bullshit you found on the internet, your ability to make cogent, persuasive arguments has deteriorated.

Big Java| 1.27.10 @ 3:41PM

We'll see...