It wasn't
long ago that the likes of Sen. Jim DeMint were being made
fun of for calling the Democrats "socialist." But Cato's David
Boaz makes the
interesting observation that we are so lucky as to have a
naturally occurring benchmark in self-identified socialist
senator Bernie Sanders, who, incidentally, caucuses with the
Democrats.
Boaz dusts off his copies of the National Taxpayer's Union and
American Conservative Union's guides, and discovers that there
are plenty of senators who are rated more liberal than Sanders.
...42 senators in 2008 voted to spend more tax dollars than
socialist Bernie Sanders. They include his neighbor Pat Leahy;
Californians Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, who just can’t
understand why their home state is in fiscal trouble; and the
Eastern Seaboard anti-taxpayer Murderers’ Row
of Kerry, Dodd, Lieberman, Clinton, Schumer,
Lautenberg, Menendez, Carper, Biden, Cardin, and
Mikulski. Don’t carry cash on Amtrak! Not to mention
Blanche Lambert Lincoln and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who
apparently think Arkansans don’t pay taxes so federal spending
is free. Sen. Barack Obama didn’t vote often enough to get a
rating in 2008, but in 2007
he managed to be one of the 11 senators who voted for more
spending than the socialist senator.
And:
The Republican Liberty Caucus declared 14 senators, including
Sanders, to have voted 100 percent anti-economic freedom in
2008, though Sanders voted better than 31 colleagues in support
of personal liberties.
It doesn't surprise me at all that if you go by the records, many
Democrats are "socialists" at least by Sanders's standards. Very
few senators are ever obligated to acount for their overarching
political outlooks. If they did so honestly, however, I would
expect for the out-and-out socialists to come off looking much
better than the many members who don't care about much more than
pursuing and guarding their own power.
Of course, no one would call the "centrist" Blanche Lincoln a
socialist. The fact that she voted to spend more than Sanders
says more about the effect the Senate's concentrated power has on
its members than it does about their relative personal
philosophies.
Maybe it's time to call a socialist a socialist, and be done with
the Democrat label. That the AP keeps calling Sander an
"independent" sort of grates, since he is not some wishwashy
person floating between two or three mush points. He's an avowed
Socialist. Apparently the AP, and many others, can't give a man
the party label he adheres to, perhaps lest they inform the
public of the reality. You know, it is the socialists, dummies.
Bob| 1.25.10 @ 1:02PM
Maybe it's time for you guys to stop calling Dems "socialists"
and for them to stop calling you "fascists". One could make an
argument on either side, but both of those descriptions are over
the top if you know anything about economic and social systems.
Perhaps its time to educate the public instead of playing
populist to the tea baggers.
Most of us in the middle want to move this country ahead with a
mixture of fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism. The
Hatfields and the McCoys solved nothing. So let's stop calling
them names and fight for the real issues. The government must
tighten its belt and reduce the debt and therefore get smaller.
That means you social conservatives should not ask the government
to legislate my personal activities as that is more government,
not less. The emphasis on health care should be to reduce costs -
period. That means tort reform, increased competitiveness, and
yes, some form of rationing. We need our government to pay for
mandates. So, if we require hospitals and doctors to take care of
patients without funds, then we pay them for that activity or
just let people die. We need to stop paying for the extended care
of old people (like me). If the individual wants to live forever,
they can pay for it. Remember, health care is a privilege, not a
right.
So, Lawler, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Advocate, don't denigrate. Leave the denigration to me when I
call uneducated bloggers "idiots".
martin j smith| 1.25.10 @ 2:32PM
Obama is a hybrid fascist and socialist. His playing the class
card,race card, and any other card shows his stuff. For the time
being he "allows"private companies and entities to own their
company but you waite, if allowed he would take them over
too.
So, In my view the Democrat party and their sycophants can call
themselves whatever they want. A hamburger for example. Butas for
me, as long as this party "is what it is" I will never vote for
one even for the office of superintendent of beatle collections.
As the Republicans, some seem good and earnest in their work,
others are
Playboys, currupted or just fools and They should be retired.
Johm MacC, being a good example.
Jim Hlavac| 1.25.10 @ 10:33AM
Maybe it's time to call a socialist a socialist, and be done with the Democrat label. That the AP keeps calling Sander an "independent" sort of grates, since he is not some wishwashy person floating between two or three mush points. He's an avowed Socialist. Apparently the AP, and many others, can't give a man the party label he adheres to, perhaps lest they inform the public of the reality. You know, it is the socialists, dummies.
Bob| 1.25.10 @ 1:02PM
Maybe it's time for you guys to stop calling Dems "socialists" and for them to stop calling you "fascists". One could make an argument on either side, but both of those descriptions are over the top if you know anything about economic and social systems. Perhaps its time to educate the public instead of playing populist to the tea baggers.
Most of us in the middle want to move this country ahead with a mixture of fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism. The Hatfields and the McCoys solved nothing. So let's stop calling them names and fight for the real issues. The government must tighten its belt and reduce the debt and therefore get smaller. That means you social conservatives should not ask the government to legislate my personal activities as that is more government, not less. The emphasis on health care should be to reduce costs - period. That means tort reform, increased competitiveness, and yes, some form of rationing. We need our government to pay for mandates. So, if we require hospitals and doctors to take care of patients without funds, then we pay them for that activity or just let people die. We need to stop paying for the extended care of old people (like me). If the individual wants to live forever, they can pay for it. Remember, health care is a privilege, not a right.
So, Lawler, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Advocate, don't denigrate. Leave the denigration to me when I call uneducated bloggers "idiots".
martin j smith| 1.25.10 @ 2:32PM
Obama is a hybrid fascist and socialist. His playing the class card,race card, and any other card shows his stuff. For the time being he "allows"private companies and entities to own their company but you waite, if allowed he would take them over too.
So, In my view the Democrat party and their sycophants can call themselves whatever they want. A hamburger for example. Butas for me, as long as this party "is what it is" I will never vote for one even for the office of superintendent of beatle collections. As the Republicans, some seem good and earnest in their work, others are
Playboys, currupted or just fools and They should be retired. Johm MacC, being a good example.