Pigeon O'Brien was a friend of Rielle Hunter's who was aware of
Hunter's affair with John Edwards; when Edwards gave his dishonest
Nightline interview in August 2008, O'Brien went on the CBS
Early Show and called
Edwards out for lying. She knew first-hand that he was lying
about when the affair started, and was pretty sure that he was
lying about the paternity of Hunter's child, which of course he
was.
O'Brien follows me on Twitter, so I tagged her (along with a
couple other followers who I know are interested in Edwards
stuff) when I tweeted a
link over the weekend to this excerpt from
Mark Halperin and John Heilmann's new book Game Change.
Her Twitter feed is set to private, but she's indicated that her
reactions are on the record. (Apologies for the profanity that
follows, but given
all
the
interest in Game Change I think it's definitely
newsworthy.) Here's what she tweeted back initially:
@johntabin the first page was full of enough horseshit I didn't
continue reading. great entry in 'historical fiction.' thx for
sharing.
I sent a direct message asking her to elaborate. She responded:
oh, that whole first page is recycled (poorly) and embellished
(poorly) from inaccurate accounts of their meeting and is
patently fake.
It'd be like me writing my special detailed insider story of
what really happened when Elin clobbered Tiger. Makes me doubt
real smarts.
Halperin and Heilmann have been
criticized for relying heavily on anonymous sources, but the
anecdote that O'Brien is objecting to seems to be written from
the point of view of Edwards aide Josh Brumberger. It does say
that Brumberger wondered later whether the encounter that's
described was really Edwards and Hunter's first meeting, but if
it wasn't it seems unlikely that it would have proceeded exactly
as described. It's quite possible that at least part of this
story was constructed while Brumberger was still spinning for
Edwards, and following the faintly misogynistic narrative that
had Hunter pursuing him. This was the narrative that O'Brien
objected to in her Early Show interview ("It does not ring true
that she would ever stalk somebody"), as well as in a follow-up
tweet:
.@johntabin I will be happy when the candidate's self-serving
"she stalked me" line of victimization is laid to rest. Save
women, Mr. Young!
There O'Brien is referring to Andrew Young, who implausibly
claimed to be the father of Hunter's child. According to Halperin
and Heilemann's account, some Edwards aides knew that Young's
paternity claim was not only implausible but medically impossible
-- he'd talked openly about a vasectomy a few years either. Young
has a memoir on the way and
will be giving interviews in a few weeks.
The next day, O'Brien tweeted this follow-up:
@johntabin ok, read the rest. Beginning has errors, rest is
just very personally upsetting to me. What a fucking mess he
made. Much hurt.
It's not a surprise that O'Brien, as someone who cares about
Rielle Hunter, would find the Game Change excerpt a
painful read. It's jaw-dropping even if you aren't so emotionally
invested. Caveats about the motives and credibility of the
sources do apply, though. Mickey Kaus
elaborates on that point.
Who the heck is this Pigeon OBrien? She has admitted she has had
no contact with Rielle Hunter for years. Obviously she could not
possibly KNOW what Rielle did or did not do. She states she got
her information from Rielle. So, whose spin shall we believe? Me
thinks this is just one more groupie looking for their 15
minutes. Why is anyone adding their 2 cents to this vile book?
Oldefarte| 1.11.10 @ 12:02PM
More BULLEXCREMENT from Paulie!!!!
Gerald Gallagher| 1.11.10 @ 9:14AM
pigeon? Rielle? who cares? A politician that is compassionate is
one looking for votes-let's face it,his wife can only vote once(
unless they move to chi-town!) As to the "she may be a real
bitch"-well, she's married to Stiffy Hair Edwards. Who would't be
a bitch? Him? just a dick-breath lawyer with money. Girls,he'll
soon be on the market. And,yes, bimbo blondes, the money part
will mean you don't have to shack-up with a rich,black man! Think
of the possibilities! I can see the 'hos lining up already.
Tex Expatriate| 1.11.10 @ 10:05AM
What kind of moron finds this book (Game Change) and John Edwards
and his absence of morals interesting?
Doubtful Debbie| 1.11.10 @ 10:40AM
I'm sorry, but I have trouble taking seriously anything that
comes from someone named "Pigeon!"
Pigeon| 1.11.10 @ 11:02AM
In point of fact, my name and its resulting credibility aside,
what I found most painful was Elizabeth's reaction to the
betrayal. What a stupendously heartbreaking rendering that was.
Absolutely horrifying. Actual pain abounds here, one has to
realize.
Thomas| 1.11.10 @ 11:16AM
There are no victims in this story. There are no sympathetic
characters. Each person used each other. They're all scum,
including Elizabeth.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 11:34AM
Pigeon is this the first time you ever realized what John and
Rielle's behavior might be doing to the mother of 4 children, one
deceased; lifelong supporter of her husband's career in law and
politics; suffering from an incurable form of cancer; and then
finding out her husband has been sleeping, on the campaign trail,
with a new-age, "Being is Free" , former drug user who appealed
to two authors as a caricature for their salacious books, who
told an LATimes reporter two months prior she was going to meet a
rich and powerful man by manifesting it, and that she (in my
mind) purposely set out to get pregnant as her meal ticket for
life? Please, consider how you would react if this had been your
life. Would you be a little angry, a little enraged, even crazed
at times while under the pressure of a national election? Would
you think it is proper to document this hearsay for the world to
read?
This woman has been dealt far more than anyone should ever, ever
have to bear. Would you like your ten worst days embellished in a
best selling book? I hope you mean it when you say you realize
the pain she must have endured and is forced to endure in coming
months and years with Rielle's demands for "alimony" in addition
to childcare. $18,000 a month! Most sadly, this may well be the
end of Elizabeth Edwards. The stress of her life and the stress
of this book and the stress of the aide's book coming out soon
could well kill her. Terminal cancer patients need peace and calm
and love. What has she gotten? I agree with Elizabeth's comment
to Oprah, I have never met a woman like this who would interject
herself into a previously loving, close family. Even you admitted
Rielle knew this was a very close relationship between John and
Elizabeth. I've always been very surprised by your tv interviews
supporting your erstwhile friend. People change, clearly John has
changed, and undoubtedly Elizabeth has changed as a result of
John and Rielle's actions. It's more than heartbreaking because
it also now affects their two young children, their adult
daughter, and this illegimate child brought into the world by
these selfish, self-centered, narcissists.
Whatever happened to civility?
Oldefarte| 1.11.10 @ 12:05PM
Typical BULLEXCREMENT from a bleeding heart liberal such as
Paulie- Boy!!!!
Roy| 1.11.10 @ 12:12PM
Eh? This is more or less a condemnation of adultery. If "bleeding
heart liberals" now disapprove of adultery, well hell, what's the
world coming to..
SoCon| 1.11.10 @ 10:26PM
I don't agree with Elizabeth Edwards' politics but I still feel
compassion for her. John Edwards is a skunk.
Pigeon| 1.11.10 @ 12:13PM
Paul, with all due respect, there's not much about this situation
has escaped my realization from day one. Well, except how
outmanned one gets when the spin goes spinnin' and the narrative
becomes about white hats and black hats and everyone starts
preachin' it as gospel.
Sometimes you make choices, sometimes you are at the mercy of the
choices others make. That's life. You simply must do the very
best you can.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 12:14PM
HAH. I couldn't be a liberal Democrat, I'm a Christian.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 12:41PM
Pigeon, You are never at the mercy of the choices others make. If
you realized what your erstwhile friend did was wrong, in every
conceivable way, you do not support them. I can criticize
Elizabeth for supporting him after his first admission to a one
night stand. But, the bottom line is she, and her family, are the
victims of John and Rielle's actions. How could you square your
distant memories of this person with the one having an affair
with a married man running for president with young children and
a wife by his side? If my best friend of 30+ years was doing any
one of these things I would have set her straight. I would never
have supported her as recently as you have supported Rielle's
behavior. Friends don't let friends drive drunk, too many people
could get hurt. Rielle and John might as well have crashed drunk
into this family. The victims will suffer life-long injuries, and
I fear a far sooner than expected fatality is likely as a direct
result of this crash. I appreciate we all do the best we can, but
you have had a very long time to consider your support of this
woman.
I read too much on this American tragedy to only wear one hat. I
see many sides but when I cut to the chase, it is Elizabeth and
the children who are the victims of incredible behavior by these
two worthless people. Now to see these two authors try to cash in
on the pain of these innocent victims, and- up next, Andrew
Young's version of how Elizabeth kept him from the love of his
life. I was shocked to read his deceased father was a minister.
He must be rolling over in his grave. There are many things in
life we just don't do. This tragedy is full of them.
SoCon| 1.11.10 @ 10:28PM
Great post, Paul.
nancy| 1.11.10 @ 3:29PM
I cannot believe that anyone would want to heap more misery on
the head of Elizabeth Edwards. She has suffered like Job--lost a
son, lost a husband to adultery, lost her moorings in such a
tragic way. I'm astounded that she can walk around. Is there no
compassion left in this world?
What did the authors have to gain by writing about Elizabeth as
they did? I know. I know.
They had to gain MONEY. That's the bottom line.
I hope that Elizabeth reacts to them like they report she reacted
to John's infidelity--with RAGE. To me, that is the appropriate
reaction; she is NOT paranoid; she is human and feeling--more
than I can say for the two writers of Game Change.
Simon Kenton| 1.12.10 @ 11:39AM
It's just amazing to me that the only thing that stood between us
and having these 3 people occupy the White House was the National
Enquirer.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 7:12AM
Who the heck is this Pigeon OBrien? She has admitted she has had no contact with Rielle Hunter for years. Obviously she could not possibly KNOW what Rielle did or did not do. She states she got her information from Rielle. So, whose spin shall we believe? Me thinks this is just one more groupie looking for their 15 minutes. Why is anyone adding their 2 cents to this vile book?
Oldefarte| 1.11.10 @ 12:02PM
More BULLEXCREMENT from Paulie!!!!
Gerald Gallagher| 1.11.10 @ 9:14AM
pigeon? Rielle? who cares? A politician that is compassionate is one looking for votes-let's face it,his wife can only vote once( unless they move to chi-town!) As to the "she may be a real bitch"-well, she's married to Stiffy Hair Edwards. Who would't be a bitch? Him? just a dick-breath lawyer with money. Girls,he'll soon be on the market. And,yes, bimbo blondes, the money part will mean you don't have to shack-up with a rich,black man! Think of the possibilities! I can see the 'hos lining up already.
Tex Expatriate| 1.11.10 @ 10:05AM
What kind of moron finds this book (Game Change) and John Edwards and his absence of morals interesting?
Doubtful Debbie| 1.11.10 @ 10:40AM
I'm sorry, but I have trouble taking seriously anything that comes from someone named "Pigeon!"
Pigeon| 1.11.10 @ 11:02AM
In point of fact, my name and its resulting credibility aside, what I found most painful was Elizabeth's reaction to the betrayal. What a stupendously heartbreaking rendering that was. Absolutely horrifying. Actual pain abounds here, one has to realize.
Thomas| 1.11.10 @ 11:16AM
There are no victims in this story. There are no sympathetic characters. Each person used each other. They're all scum, including Elizabeth.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 11:34AM
Pigeon is this the first time you ever realized what John and Rielle's behavior might be doing to the mother of 4 children, one deceased; lifelong supporter of her husband's career in law and politics; suffering from an incurable form of cancer; and then finding out her husband has been sleeping, on the campaign trail, with a new-age, "Being is Free" , former drug user who appealed to two authors as a caricature for their salacious books, who told an LATimes reporter two months prior she was going to meet a rich and powerful man by manifesting it, and that she (in my mind) purposely set out to get pregnant as her meal ticket for life? Please, consider how you would react if this had been your life. Would you be a little angry, a little enraged, even crazed at times while under the pressure of a national election? Would you think it is proper to document this hearsay for the world to read?
This woman has been dealt far more than anyone should ever, ever have to bear. Would you like your ten worst days embellished in a best selling book? I hope you mean it when you say you realize the pain she must have endured and is forced to endure in coming months and years with Rielle's demands for "alimony" in addition to childcare. $18,000 a month! Most sadly, this may well be the end of Elizabeth Edwards. The stress of her life and the stress of this book and the stress of the aide's book coming out soon could well kill her. Terminal cancer patients need peace and calm and love. What has she gotten? I agree with Elizabeth's comment to Oprah, I have never met a woman like this who would interject herself into a previously loving, close family. Even you admitted Rielle knew this was a very close relationship between John and Elizabeth. I've always been very surprised by your tv interviews supporting your erstwhile friend. People change, clearly John has changed, and undoubtedly Elizabeth has changed as a result of John and Rielle's actions. It's more than heartbreaking because it also now affects their two young children, their adult daughter, and this illegimate child brought into the world by these selfish, self-centered, narcissists.
Whatever happened to civility?
Oldefarte| 1.11.10 @ 12:05PM
Typical BULLEXCREMENT from a bleeding heart liberal such as Paulie- Boy!!!!
Roy| 1.11.10 @ 12:12PM
Eh? This is more or less a condemnation of adultery. If "bleeding heart liberals" now disapprove of adultery, well hell, what's the world coming to..
SoCon| 1.11.10 @ 10:26PM
I don't agree with Elizabeth Edwards' politics but I still feel compassion for her. John Edwards is a skunk.
Pigeon| 1.11.10 @ 12:13PM
Paul, with all due respect, there's not much about this situation has escaped my realization from day one. Well, except how outmanned one gets when the spin goes spinnin' and the narrative becomes about white hats and black hats and everyone starts preachin' it as gospel.
Sometimes you make choices, sometimes you are at the mercy of the choices others make. That's life. You simply must do the very best you can.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 12:14PM
HAH. I couldn't be a liberal Democrat, I'm a Christian.
Paul| 1.11.10 @ 12:41PM
Pigeon, You are never at the mercy of the choices others make. If you realized what your erstwhile friend did was wrong, in every conceivable way, you do not support them. I can criticize Elizabeth for supporting him after his first admission to a one night stand. But, the bottom line is she, and her family, are the victims of John and Rielle's actions. How could you square your distant memories of this person with the one having an affair with a married man running for president with young children and a wife by his side? If my best friend of 30+ years was doing any one of these things I would have set her straight. I would never have supported her as recently as you have supported Rielle's behavior. Friends don't let friends drive drunk, too many people could get hurt. Rielle and John might as well have crashed drunk into this family. The victims will suffer life-long injuries, and I fear a far sooner than expected fatality is likely as a direct result of this crash. I appreciate we all do the best we can, but you have had a very long time to consider your support of this woman.
I read too much on this American tragedy to only wear one hat. I see many sides but when I cut to the chase, it is Elizabeth and the children who are the victims of incredible behavior by these two worthless people. Now to see these two authors try to cash in on the pain of these innocent victims, and- up next, Andrew Young's version of how Elizabeth kept him from the love of his life. I was shocked to read his deceased father was a minister. He must be rolling over in his grave. There are many things in life we just don't do. This tragedy is full of them.
SoCon| 1.11.10 @ 10:28PM
Great post, Paul.
nancy| 1.11.10 @ 3:29PM
I cannot believe that anyone would want to heap more misery on the head of Elizabeth Edwards. She has suffered like Job--lost a son, lost a husband to adultery, lost her moorings in such a tragic way. I'm astounded that she can walk around. Is there no compassion left in this world?
What did the authors have to gain by writing about Elizabeth as they did? I know. I know.
They had to gain MONEY. That's the bottom line.
I hope that Elizabeth reacts to them like they report she reacted to John's infidelity--with RAGE. To me, that is the appropriate reaction; she is NOT paranoid; she is human and feeling--more than I can say for the two writers of Game Change.
Simon Kenton| 1.12.10 @ 11:39AM
It's just amazing to me that the only thing that stood between us and having these 3 people occupy the White House was the National Enquirer.