Yesterday, I
wrote about how Senate Republicans were incensed that the
parliamentarian allowed Sen. Bernie Sanders to cut off the
reading of his single-payer proposal, and today a reader from
Dallas, Texas passes along further evidence to support their
complaint.
By way of background, yesterday, Sen. Tom Coburn forced the
reading of Sanders 767 page amendment, but three hours into
reading of the amendment, which was on pace to take more than 12
hours and wipe out an entire legislative day, Sanders withrew the
amendment. This stopped the reading, and allowed Democrats to get
on with their business.
The problem is that when an amendment is introduced, it has to be
read on the Senate floor unless all Senators agree to cut off the
reading. In Senate jargon, this is granting "unanimous consent."
Today, a reader noted that on page 119 of Riddick’s Senate
Procedure, it says that "the Senator offering the amendment
must have the floor in order to withdraw the amendment.”
But at the time he withdrew the amendment, Sanders didn't have
the floor. The only way to regain the floor was to dispense with
the reading of the bill, which again, calls for unanimous
consent.
In non-Senate jargon, it appears that Republicans were in fact
robbed. But sort of like complaining about a bad call by the ref
after the game is already over, there's not much they can do
about it.
What goes around comes around. The GOP can wreck thier revenge
after they take back the Senate in 2012.
Roy| 12.17.09 @ 1:04PM
Let's hope Republicans aren't offering too many 767-page
amendments...
sinanju| 12.17.09 @ 1:23PM
If only this could be a regular tactic for both parties. If every
piece of legislation had to be read aloud, methinks they would be
a lot less padded.
Take the Constitution itself, for instance...
Dixie Pixie| 12.17.09 @ 1:24PM
Because every American will be covered by the Health-Care bill,
is it proper to read into the Senate Record the names, address
and telephone number of every American affected.
In short the Republicans should require the Senate Clerk read
into the Senate Record the Telephone Book of every city in the
USA. That will stop the Health-Care debate for months.
Conservative Bob| 12.17.09 @ 1:53PM
Dixie, If my math is correct asuming 4 people per family and that
they can read 40 names perminute and are willing to work 18 hour
days it would take 5.5 years without a day off...
I think it is a great idea... READ THE NAMES!
Dixie Pixie| 12.17.09 @ 4:21PM
To: Conservative Bob
You are ignoring the enjoyment of seeing the look on Harry Reid's
face when Mitch McConnell dumps multiple forklift loads of
telephone books on the Senate clerk. The Senate clerk might even
quit on the spot further delaying the reading.
Dell| 12.17.09 @ 2:27PM
"Robbed" isn't quite right. SNOOKERED is closer.
The person responsible for the error in parliamentary procedure
should be fired, on the spot. It's obviously a Democrat, because
they control both houses and, therefore, are responsible.
"Gee, I'm sorry....I made a mistake" isn't good enough. No
apology is. This was a planned and well executed improper
procedure at the highest level of U.S. government.
TLS| 12.17.09 @ 2:49PM
As a practical matter, it would be nice if there were a limit to
the length of bills. Seriously, the shorter it is, the less
bureaucratic it is likely to be.
befitz| 12.17.09 @ 3:27PM
Things are getting desperate. But things should not be desperate.
Partisanship on this bill is nonexistent; so, certainly, there
will be animosity. Before a brawl breaks out, and all integrity
is lost, the legislators need to realize this bill, even if
signed into law, will be litigated into oblivion. Best to start
over, address the problem in a PARTISAN fashion, and hope to do
some good.
JP| 12.17.09 @ 12:57PM
What goes around comes around. The GOP can wreck thier revenge after they take back the Senate in 2012.
Roy| 12.17.09 @ 1:04PM
Let's hope Republicans aren't offering too many 767-page amendments...
sinanju| 12.17.09 @ 1:23PM
If only this could be a regular tactic for both parties. If every piece of legislation had to be read aloud, methinks they would be a lot less padded.
Take the Constitution itself, for instance...
Dixie Pixie| 12.17.09 @ 1:24PM
Because every American will be covered by the Health-Care bill, is it proper to read into the Senate Record the names, address and telephone number of every American affected.
In short the Republicans should require the Senate Clerk read into the Senate Record the Telephone Book of every city in the USA. That will stop the Health-Care debate for months.
Conservative Bob| 12.17.09 @ 1:53PM
Dixie, If my math is correct asuming 4 people per family and that they can read 40 names perminute and are willing to work 18 hour days it would take 5.5 years without a day off...
I think it is a great idea... READ THE NAMES!
Dixie Pixie| 12.17.09 @ 4:21PM
To: Conservative Bob
You are ignoring the enjoyment of seeing the look on Harry Reid's face when Mitch McConnell dumps multiple forklift loads of telephone books on the Senate clerk. The Senate clerk might even quit on the spot further delaying the reading.
Dell| 12.17.09 @ 2:27PM
"Robbed" isn't quite right. SNOOKERED is closer.
The person responsible for the error in parliamentary procedure should be fired, on the spot. It's obviously a Democrat, because they control both houses and, therefore, are responsible.
"Gee, I'm sorry....I made a mistake" isn't good enough. No apology is. This was a planned and well executed improper procedure at the highest level of U.S. government.
TLS| 12.17.09 @ 2:49PM
As a practical matter, it would be nice if there were a limit to the length of bills. Seriously, the shorter it is, the less bureaucratic it is likely to be.
befitz| 12.17.09 @ 3:27PM
Things are getting desperate. But things should not be desperate. Partisanship on this bill is nonexistent; so, certainly, there will be animosity. Before a brawl breaks out, and all integrity is lost, the legislators need to realize this bill, even if signed into law, will be litigated into oblivion. Best to start over, address the problem in a PARTISAN fashion, and hope to do some good.
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