In response to my
defense against
his attack on a
blog post I wrote concerning the recent CBO analysis of jobs
created by the stimulus, Menzie Chinn has
commented on his blog:
Regarding your over-arching critique of the CBO approach,
perhaps an analogy would be helpful in illuminating which
approaches make sense, and which don't. I give a patient with a
fever aspirin. However, the fever continues to rise. I could
conclude that aspirin caused the fever to rise relative to what
would have occurred otherwise. Or I could use information
regarding the effect of aspirin on fevers, obtained from
previous experiments/experiences, and use that information to
infer what the fever would have been in the absence of dosing
with aspirin. How would you conduct inference in this case?
To which I responded:
Maybe extending your analogy could illustrate the point I've
been trying to make.
Imagine that a second doctor warns that the first doctor that
the evidence available is actually inconclusive, and that the
prescription of aspirin won't cure the fever. After the dose,
the fever continues to rise. But the first doctor advertises to
the world, on the basis of the same earlier studies, that he
has successfully treated the patient, without bothering to
mention that he has no new evidence to support that claim. I
would not think that the second doctor would have any reason to
be newly persuaded that the aspirin worked in this case or in
general.
This is all part of a larger point I've been trying to make
regarding the stimulus. The administration has been trying to
chalk it up as an unmitigated success, and although the CBO's
recent report didn't tell us anything new about the stimulus,
that hasn't prevented the administration from pretending that the
report is the straw that broke the anti-stimulus camel's back.
Joe
Biden:
This new report from the Congressional Budget Office is further
evidence of what private forecasters and government economists
have been saying: the Recovery Act is already responsible for
more than 1 million jobs nationwide. From independent
economists to Congress’s own nonpartisan research body, the
experts have spoken and the debate is no longer whether the
Recovery Act is creating and saving jobs, but how we provide
even more opportunities to drive growth and support American
workers.
I think that the stimulus has marginally improved the current
economic outlook, although my fear is that it may have worsened
the medium- and long-term outlooks. But the point is that the
administration should not be allowed to trumpet huge, politically
consequential victories when they have little evidence for those
victories.
Even as I read this article a news headline scrolled across the
top of my screen to the effect that Obama is eyeing the repaid
bank loans for use in another jobs bill. Thus we see that what
was supposed to be a one-time expenditure to be repaid as soon as
possible will be turned into a revolving slush fund with no end.
Why is this necessary if the "stimulus" actually stimulated?
Marc Jeric| 12.8.09 @ 3:03AM
I understand that of those 620,000 jobs "saved or created" some
320,000 were jobs of teacher unions and other government
bureaucrats who were spared being laid off.
bluecollarbytes| 12.8.09 @ 9:10AM
Joe Biden: "From independent economists to Congress’s own
nonpartisan research body, the experts have spoken and the debate
is no longer whether the Recovery Act is creating and saving
jobs, but how we provide even more opportunities to drive growth
and support American workers. "
Sounds similar to the 'debate about Global Warming no longer
being about whether it's real or not, but about what we should do
do save mankind'.
It seems as though debate of govt-controlled health is also
'settled', the only question remaining being how fast do we take
the plunge?
Obama, who is turning out to be America's leading leftist radical
(rather than a liberally-bent president whose decisions/actions
are mitigated by lack of popular support and constitutional
restraint), is spearheading this OneThink movement. For all their
claims of intellectualism, they turn out to be simple minded folk
stuck on one-track ideological stupidity.
Democrats are fond of declaring debates over. It's a trick that
allows them to evade underlying truths and/or concerns.
c. j. acworth| 12.7.09 @ 7:01PM
Even as I read this article a news headline scrolled across the top of my screen to the effect that Obama is eyeing the repaid bank loans for use in another jobs bill. Thus we see that what was supposed to be a one-time expenditure to be repaid as soon as possible will be turned into a revolving slush fund with no end. Why is this necessary if the "stimulus" actually stimulated?
Marc Jeric| 12.8.09 @ 3:03AM
I understand that of those 620,000 jobs "saved or created" some 320,000 were jobs of teacher unions and other government bureaucrats who were spared being laid off.
bluecollarbytes| 12.8.09 @ 9:10AM
Joe Biden: "From independent economists to Congress’s own nonpartisan research body, the experts have spoken and the debate is no longer whether the Recovery Act is creating and saving jobs, but how we provide even more opportunities to drive growth and support American workers. "
Sounds similar to the 'debate about Global Warming no longer being about whether it's real or not, but about what we should do do save mankind'.
It seems as though debate of govt-controlled health is also 'settled', the only question remaining being how fast do we take the plunge?
Obama, who is turning out to be America's leading leftist radical (rather than a liberally-bent president whose decisions/actions are mitigated by lack of popular support and constitutional restraint), is spearheading this OneThink movement. For all their claims of intellectualism, they turn out to be simple minded folk stuck on one-track ideological stupidity.
Democrats are fond of declaring debates over. It's a trick that allows them to evade underlying truths and/or concerns.
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