Maskuri Abdillah, head of Indonesia's biggest Muslim group,
Nahdlatul Ulama, said: "This is the hatred of Swiss people
against Muslim communities. They don't want to see a Muslim
presence in their country and this intense dislike has made
them intolerant."
Egypt's Mufti Ali Gomaa, the Egyptian government's official
interpreter of Islamic law, denounced the minaret ban as an
"insult" to Muslims and "an attack on freedom of beliefs".
In Pakistan, Khurshid Ahmad, vice president of Jamaat-e-Islami,
a hardline Islamic political party that is represented in the
parliament, said: "This development reflects extreme
Islamophobia among people in the West. This is an effort to
provoke Muslims and prompt a clash between Islam and the West."
In fact, I believe the restriction is an
unjustified restriction on religious liberty. But I can say
that because I live in a country which actually protects the
freedom of people to worship as they see fit. All people.
In contrast to Indonesia, Egypt, and Pakistan, in which religious
minorities are routinely victimized and persecuted. In
Indonesia it is mostly private violence--even Christian school
girls have been murdered. I have visited the ruins of
churches and Bible schools destroyed by Muslim mobs. Local
authorities then have refused to allow the facilities to be
rebuilt.
Eqypt does little to punish those who kill Coptic Christians and
destroy their homes and businesses. The government
routinely discriminates against non-Muslims. Pakistan also
discriminates against Christians and other religious minorities
in many ways, including jailing anyone convicted of "blaspheming"
the Prophet. Non-Muslims face mob violence.
As I've previously written for the Spectator, this is simply
the way of life in most Muslim nations. Even moderate
Islamic countries, such as Morocco, generally are less than
hospitable to Christians and other religious minorities.
So Switzerland's response to its Muslim critics should be a
simple "Shut up!" When Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan, and
other Islamic nations start protecting the rights of Jews,
Christians, Bahais, and other religious minorities, then they can
lecture the West on religious liberty. Until then, they
should just Shut up!
Your article is based either on lies or on utter ignorance and
trivial knowledge.
Interested Conservative| 12.1.09 @ 9:01AM
Such as?
Eric Cartman| 12.1.09 @ 10:37AM
Well, Hamounta, tell us all the lie or "utter ignorance" of the
blog! I wish this country would grow a pair and bar Muslims and
their smelly hordes from our shores. Ann Coulter was right, we
should inveade you sand-pit countries, kill your leaders and
convert the smelly masses to Christianity. That way maybe you
would respect woman, Jews, Christians, etc. AND become familiar
with what is known in civilized countries as a bathtub!
Richard Baker| 12.1.09 @ 8:59AM
Hamounta:
What! Another whining Moslem? Take your "Religion of Peace" and
begone. Belonging to a murder cult called Islam doesn't recommend
one. Let's hear it for the Swiss!
KarlinPhoenix| 12.1.09 @ 10:28AM
I think it is all well and good for the Swiss to take this "first
step" to slowing and then preventing the spread of this death
cult that is Islam, in their country. Islam is a political
movement whose goal is world domination. Islam exhorts its cult
members to polygamy for the express purpose of making more
Muslims to conquer non-Islamic states by population increase.
The pupose of immigration in Islam is to conquer by population.
There is no intention to assimilate to the host country, just
convert them to Islam, in time.
Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization and should be
banned from America as a violent, hate-spewing political
movement.
Allah, the pagan Moon God of the pre-Muhammad Arabian Peninsula,
is a small stone idol in Mecca and is kept in a little room with
the other, lesser pagan stone idols the Muslims bray to several
times per day. Islam is a "made-up" and fake "religion" by
Muhammad, who cobbled together various tenets of Christianity,
Judaism and Arabian paganism to create Islam. Islam is a
conquering political movement; it was started this way and has
continued in that same tradition for the past nearly 1,400 years.
Margie| 12.1.09 @ 12:52PM
Bravo! It's the truth.
redacro| 12.1.09 @ 11:52AM
Kudos to the Swiss. With honor killings and chants to kill
America and take over Britain. Its about time someone stood up to
them. If they hate Christians and everyone else why the heck are
they even immigrating to non Muslim countries. Rid yourselves of
your barbaric practices, especially towards women and other
religions before coming to countries where women have an equal
say in their way of life and religion does not call for the
destruction of people of other religions.
Sheila| 12.1.09 @ 4:56PM
I was waiting for Doug to mention the ludicrousness of countries
such as Indonesia to be preaching "religious tolerance" to
others. I must vehemently disagree with his assertion that the
Swiss vote is an "unjustified restriction" on freedom of
religion. Islam is a worldview, a lifestyle, and a political
ideology, not a religion as modern/secular westerners understand
it. Turkey's prime minister himself approvingly recited a poem
labeling minarets the muslims' missiles. For the Swiss to have
taken even this small step in resisting the invasion/conquest of
their country by Muslim immigrants is extraordinarily heartening.
Would that the rest of us had a similar opportunity and similar
resolve.
Gee Margie, how hypocritical of you - from an evil race realist
perspective, of course.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 11:11PM
Slick try.
You've posted previously that you are a "Race Realist."
This is what David Duke and gang call themselves.
Lessening the immigration of a "Death to America" so-called
Religion has nothing to do with race.
Nice try though.
This posting is full of inaccuracies and blanket statements. I
wish the author used some solid evidence to back his claims. In
Morocco, where I had lived for 22 years, you can find churches in
most cities: Casablanca boasts two large cathedrals with huge
towers and many churches; Rabat has cathedrals and churches, too;
Larache has a sizebale Spanish church with nuns walking around
the town unbothered; and Tangiers is host to several Anglican
churches. Let alone synagogues all over the country where
orthodox Jews walk around without anyone harrassing them. In
Egypt, Copts are a large majority and they are doctors,
businessmen, ministers, and diplomats. There are some tensions in
some rural areas but it does not mount to sectarian war or
killing, as the author had claimed here. Same thing for Indonesia
and Malysia where Hindu and Christian minorities enjoy their
protected rights. I would understand if the author had mentioned
Saudi Arabia as an intolerant country of religious minorities,
including Muslim ones; but I guess he was just talking out of
ignorance.
This Minaret vote is a scam for the simple reason that 95% of
should not be allowed to vote for or against the right of 5%
(Muslim Swiss) to practice their religious freedom in a
supposedly secualr country. Even more Ironic, the Muslim Swiss
community is a lot richer than other European Muslim communities,
as they are mostly businessmen, doctors and engineers who are not
a budren on the country's social welfare system. So, it does not
even make sense that the Swish far right has a reason to hate on
Muslims, except for pure bigotry.
Richard Baker| 12.4.09 @ 7:33PM
Trabando:
I suppose that the Koran sanctioned violence around the world is
just a figment of our imaginations. I forgot, you belong to the
"Religion of Peace." How careless of me to forget. Calling
Charles Martel, calling Charles Martel.
Hamounta| 12.1.09 @ 8:28AM
Your article is based either on lies or on utter ignorance and trivial knowledge.
Interested Conservative| 12.1.09 @ 9:01AM
Such as?
Eric Cartman| 12.1.09 @ 10:37AM
Well, Hamounta, tell us all the lie or "utter ignorance" of the blog! I wish this country would grow a pair and bar Muslims and their smelly hordes from our shores. Ann Coulter was right, we should inveade you sand-pit countries, kill your leaders and convert the smelly masses to Christianity. That way maybe you would respect woman, Jews, Christians, etc. AND become familiar with what is known in civilized countries as a bathtub!
Richard Baker| 12.1.09 @ 8:59AM
Hamounta:
What! Another whining Moslem? Take your "Religion of Peace" and begone. Belonging to a murder cult called Islam doesn't recommend one. Let's hear it for the Swiss!
KarlinPhoenix| 12.1.09 @ 10:28AM
I think it is all well and good for the Swiss to take this "first step" to slowing and then preventing the spread of this death cult that is Islam, in their country. Islam is a political movement whose goal is world domination. Islam exhorts its cult members to polygamy for the express purpose of making more Muslims to conquer non-Islamic states by population increase.
The pupose of immigration in Islam is to conquer by population. There is no intention to assimilate to the host country, just convert them to Islam, in time.
Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization and should be banned from America as a violent, hate-spewing political movement.
Allah, the pagan Moon God of the pre-Muhammad Arabian Peninsula, is a small stone idol in Mecca and is kept in a little room with the other, lesser pagan stone idols the Muslims bray to several times per day. Islam is a "made-up" and fake "religion" by Muhammad, who cobbled together various tenets of Christianity, Judaism and Arabian paganism to create Islam. Islam is a conquering political movement; it was started this way and has continued in that same tradition for the past nearly 1,400 years.
Margie| 12.1.09 @ 12:52PM
Bravo! It's the truth.
redacro| 12.1.09 @ 11:52AM
Kudos to the Swiss. With honor killings and chants to kill America and take over Britain. Its about time someone stood up to them. If they hate Christians and everyone else why the heck are they even immigrating to non Muslim countries. Rid yourselves of your barbaric practices, especially towards women and other religions before coming to countries where women have an equal say in their way of life and religion does not call for the destruction of people of other religions.
Sheila| 12.1.09 @ 4:56PM
I was waiting for Doug to mention the ludicrousness of countries such as Indonesia to be preaching "religious tolerance" to others. I must vehemently disagree with his assertion that the Swiss vote is an "unjustified restriction" on freedom of religion. Islam is a worldview, a lifestyle, and a political ideology, not a religion as modern/secular westerners understand it. Turkey's prime minister himself approvingly recited a poem labeling minarets the muslims' missiles. For the Swiss to have taken even this small step in resisting the invasion/conquest of their country by Muslim immigrants is extraordinarily heartening. Would that the rest of us had a similar opportunity and similar resolve.
Gee Margie, how hypocritical of you - from an evil race realist perspective, of course.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 11:11PM
Slick try.
You've posted previously that you are a "Race Realist."
This is what David Duke and gang call themselves.
Lessening the immigration of a "Death to America" so-called Religion has nothing to do with race.
Nice try though.
Trabando| 12.1.09 @ 9:00PM
This posting is full of inaccuracies and blanket statements. I wish the author used some solid evidence to back his claims. In Morocco, where I had lived for 22 years, you can find churches in most cities: Casablanca boasts two large cathedrals with huge towers and many churches; Rabat has cathedrals and churches, too; Larache has a sizebale Spanish church with nuns walking around the town unbothered; and Tangiers is host to several Anglican churches. Let alone synagogues all over the country where orthodox Jews walk around without anyone harrassing them. In Egypt, Copts are a large majority and they are doctors, businessmen, ministers, and diplomats. There are some tensions in some rural areas but it does not mount to sectarian war or killing, as the author had claimed here. Same thing for Indonesia and Malysia where Hindu and Christian minorities enjoy their protected rights. I would understand if the author had mentioned Saudi Arabia as an intolerant country of religious minorities, including Muslim ones; but I guess he was just talking out of ignorance.
This Minaret vote is a scam for the simple reason that 95% of should not be allowed to vote for or against the right of 5% (Muslim Swiss) to practice their religious freedom in a supposedly secualr country. Even more Ironic, the Muslim Swiss community is a lot richer than other European Muslim communities, as they are mostly businessmen, doctors and engineers who are not a budren on the country's social welfare system. So, it does not even make sense that the Swish far right has a reason to hate on Muslims, except for pure bigotry.
Richard Baker| 12.4.09 @ 7:33PM
Trabando:
I suppose that the Koran sanctioned violence around the world is just a figment of our imaginations. I forgot, you belong to the "Religion of Peace." How careless of me to forget. Calling Charles Martel, calling Charles Martel.
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