As I write this, Sean Hannity is griping about President Obama
taking too long to make a decision on Afghanistan, only deploying
30,000 troops instead of 40,000, and showing weakness in talking
about withdrawal. This sort of talk among conservatives strikes
me as petty. To be clear, there are those on both the right and
left who believe that it's time to pull out of Afghanistan and
who don't believe deploying more troops will accomplish anything.
It's perfectly understandable if they were not swayed by
tonight's speech. But those who support the war effort and
believe in sending more troops to implement Gen. McCrystal's
strategy should give credit to Obama for taking on the base of
his own party to make a decision that he believes is in the
national security interests of the United States. Obama may not
have delivered his speech in the way that a lot of conservatives
would have preferred, and they may have problems with aspects of
the new policy. But it's an approach that, broadly speaking, is
consistent with what war supporters had been advocating. So,
supporters of the effort, broadly speaking, should give Obama
credit.
This is a manly, sensible post. I doubt it will be given the
respect it deserves around here, but I think Mr Klein makes a
good point.
Pete2| 12.2.09 @ 12:56PM
Actually, Obama tried to cover all angles..troop surge and a
withdrawal timeline. If you noticed, the withdrawal timeframe is
2011, just before the elections. 30,000 troops are fine if the
"allies" do kick in the rest needed. Obama is trying to have it
both ways. Let's see how it pans out. Last night, he sounded more
like Bush also... could it be GW was right in this respect?
wmm| 12.2.09 @ 3:07AM
I applaud the temporary increase in troops, but that speech was
simply nonsensical. No wonder cadets were falling asleep right
and left.
Kitty| 12.2.09 @ 7:28AM
For the record, Gen. McChrystal asked for 60,ooo, with a minimum
of 40,000, and how long ago was that?
While Mr. Klein gropes for a way to be magnanimus towards the
man-child president, I prefer to think of the troops,
instead.
...
louis tully| 12.2.09 @ 8:49AM
Hey Phil, you forgot to mention his superior temperament and
intellect, and his oratorical prowess. Other than that, as the
Axeltroll said, a "very manly post."
David Weiss| 12.2.09 @ 9:17AM
This is a very sensible post. If gasbags like Sean Hannity can't
acknowledge Obama's good policies, they do serious damage to
their credibility. The likes of Hannity and Olbermann are
one-note hucksters, and probably haven't thought about
creditbility in a long, long time.
Liberal Reader| 12.2.09 @ 2:07PM
Agreed. On both Hannity and Olbermann. Both should be waiters.
Why they're given television shows is beyond me.
Margie| 12.4.09 @ 1:01AM
Obama's good policies? Hmm... must've missed those.
Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 9:34AM
Come ON! This was a political calculation, plain and simple.
Obama doesn't think in any other terms, and he couldn't care less
about America, the soldiers or this war.
He figured that his base will ultimately forgive him (think these
rabid lefties will vote for the Republican candidates in '10 or
in '12????) - particularly since he's basically saying, once
again, that he has to clean up Bush's mess, and in any case, he's
circled the calendar - his exit strategy consisting of nothing
more than a red sharpie.
Imaging your cancer surgeon telling you that he'll spend three
hours in your chest cavity, but no more. Would that inspire
confidence?
Meanwhile, he will appease so-called moderates and some
conservatives - and inoculate himself against the classic
criticism of Democrats for as wimps - because, yes, it is the
right thing (actually, it's the least he could do) to send some
more troops.
The fact is, he painted himself into a corner during the campaign
by calling Afghanistan "the good" war - and all of his fellow
comrades sang from the same hymnal. He figures that with this
move, he'll be able to claim policy consistency and shore up the
moderates and gullible conservatives.
If he could have gotten out of this, he would have left those
soldiers that are already their to twist in the wind. He couldn't
care less.
Doing "the right thing" has never entered Obama's head. He and
Axelrod and Emanual and their cohorts are, one and all, cheap
Machiavellians. At best. And like all Machiavellians, the end
game isn't victory. It's power.
Tim| 12.2.09 @ 10:28AM
Obama voted "present". He tried to tack perfectly down the center
of the domestic political storm.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.2.09 @ 10:54AM
Hey guys,
Back-off! Mr Klein is simply trying to keep the American
Spectator off Obama's chopping block during the coming internet
blackout.
Mr. Klein, I too get very tired of Hannity's constant hectoring
tone. Point well taken.
But!
He does give no quarter to traitors, either.
Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 11:33AM
For the record, I can't stand Hannity. I think he often does more
harm to the image of conservatives than good, and I didn't watch
last night.
But this took no political courage on the part of Obama.
Bush sending more troops to Iraq for the surge in the teeth of
relentless criticism from all corners - that took political
courage (and yes, I think Bush made TONS of mistakes and too
often lacked political courage).
Obama did last night what Axelrod thinks is most politically
expedient.
Liberal Reader| 12.1.09 @ 11:58PM
This is a manly, sensible post. I doubt it will be given the respect it deserves around here, but I think Mr Klein makes a good point.
Pete2| 12.2.09 @ 12:56PM
Actually, Obama tried to cover all angles..troop surge and a withdrawal timeline. If you noticed, the withdrawal timeframe is 2011, just before the elections. 30,000 troops are fine if the "allies" do kick in the rest needed. Obama is trying to have it both ways. Let's see how it pans out. Last night, he sounded more like Bush also... could it be GW was right in this respect?
wmm| 12.2.09 @ 3:07AM
I applaud the temporary increase in troops, but that speech was simply nonsensical. No wonder cadets were falling asleep right and left.
Kitty| 12.2.09 @ 7:28AM
For the record, Gen. McChrystal asked for 60,ooo, with a minimum of 40,000, and how long ago was that?
While Mr. Klein gropes for a way to be magnanimus towards the man-child president, I prefer to think of the troops, instead.
...
louis tully| 12.2.09 @ 8:49AM
Hey Phil, you forgot to mention his superior temperament and intellect, and his oratorical prowess. Other than that, as the Axeltroll said, a "very manly post."
David Weiss| 12.2.09 @ 9:17AM
This is a very sensible post. If gasbags like Sean Hannity can't acknowledge Obama's good policies, they do serious damage to their credibility. The likes of Hannity and Olbermann are one-note hucksters, and probably haven't thought about creditbility in a long, long time.
Liberal Reader| 12.2.09 @ 2:07PM
Agreed. On both Hannity and Olbermann. Both should be waiters. Why they're given television shows is beyond me.
Margie| 12.4.09 @ 1:01AM
Obama's good policies? Hmm... must've missed those.
Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 9:34AM
Come ON! This was a political calculation, plain and simple. Obama doesn't think in any other terms, and he couldn't care less about America, the soldiers or this war.
He figured that his base will ultimately forgive him (think these rabid lefties will vote for the Republican candidates in '10 or in '12????) - particularly since he's basically saying, once again, that he has to clean up Bush's mess, and in any case, he's circled the calendar - his exit strategy consisting of nothing more than a red sharpie.
Imaging your cancer surgeon telling you that he'll spend three hours in your chest cavity, but no more. Would that inspire confidence?
Meanwhile, he will appease so-called moderates and some conservatives - and inoculate himself against the classic criticism of Democrats for as wimps - because, yes, it is the right thing (actually, it's the least he could do) to send some more troops.
The fact is, he painted himself into a corner during the campaign by calling Afghanistan "the good" war - and all of his fellow comrades sang from the same hymnal. He figures that with this move, he'll be able to claim policy consistency and shore up the moderates and gullible conservatives.
If he could have gotten out of this, he would have left those soldiers that are already their to twist in the wind. He couldn't care less.
Doing "the right thing" has never entered Obama's head. He and Axelrod and Emanual and their cohorts are, one and all, cheap Machiavellians. At best. And like all Machiavellians, the end game isn't victory. It's power.
Tim| 12.2.09 @ 10:28AM
Obama voted "present". He tried to tack perfectly down the center of the domestic political storm.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.2.09 @ 10:54AM
Hey guys,
Back-off! Mr Klein is simply trying to keep the American Spectator off Obama's chopping block during the coming internet blackout.
Mr. Klein, I too get very tired of Hannity's constant hectoring tone. Point well taken.
But!
He does give no quarter to traitors, either.
Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 11:33AM
For the record, I can't stand Hannity. I think he often does more harm to the image of conservatives than good, and I didn't watch last night.
But this took no political courage on the part of Obama.
Bush sending more troops to Iraq for the surge in the teeth of relentless criticism from all corners - that took political courage (and yes, I think Bush made TONS of mistakes and too often lacked political courage).
Obama did last night what Axelrod thinks is most politically expedient.
rt| 12.2.09 @ 12:35PM
Another reason I dont read Klein anymore.
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