Majority leader Harry Reid, in a press conference with other top
Democrats, promised that the Senate health care legislation would
be posted online tonight.
Reid said the bill would reduce the deficit and strengthen
Medicare by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse from the system.
"The finish
line is really in sight," he said, and expressed optimism that
the bill would pass. But he was evasive when asked specifically
whether he already has lined up the 60 votes needed to bring the
bill to the floor, telling reporters that they would have to ask
individual Senators.
UPDATE: Sen. John Cornyn, via Twitter, says the
bill is 2,074 pages.
24 hours ought to be enough time...what, you can't read close to
100 pages and hour of legalese designed to conceal true intent?
Morons.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:37PM
Pete:
I am lawyer, and have a pretty good background in reading,
interpreting, and even writing such unintelligible crap, and I
read one section of the bill (see below) and now I have a
headache and I've lost my will to live.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:29PM
I just read part of the bill, in particular, the part about the
individual mandate. If you fail to maintain insurance coverage in
any given year, you are fined $750, + $750 per dependant who you
did not maintain coverage for. If you lapse in coverage for a
month or more, you pay 1/12 of the $750 penalty for you and each
dependant. This is payable with your tax return. It requires your
insurer to send the equivalent of a "W-2" type document (complete
with SSN's of you and your dependants covered under their policy)
by Janaury 31 of each year to certify coverage for the whole
year.
Here's the kicker: If you are incarcerated (that is jailed for
committing a crime) you are exempt from the penalties for not
maintaining adequate coverage. So you are only fined if you are a
law-abiding citizen.
The other parts I skimmed over repeatedly contained this
disturbing phrase: "The Secretary shall" makes rules, determine
etc., and shall certify, et.al. In other words, many of the
standards that will determine type of coverage, adequacy of
coverage, reasonableness of premiums, etc., will be determined by
burearacratic fiat; that's unelected bureacrats folks.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:34PM
Oh, one more thing: The section on Individual mandates I refer to
above, also make a point to say that failure to pay your "fine"
for not having coverage "will not" subject you to criminal
liability; but they go on to say the Health nazis will file a
lien against your property for the unpaid amount.
This means if you are a homeowner or own a business with business
property they can file a lean on (trucks, plant, equipment,
fixtures, etc.) you better pony up; but if you are a rental
apartment dwelling urbanite with no car and no assets, or a
general deadbeat (even one with $100K plus income) you can
basically ignore the individual mandate.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:35PM
That's "lien" not "lean"
Frank Jinkins| 11.18.09 @ 9:57PM
JohnD, thank you for wading through that mountain of blather and
pointing out this very important and worrisome clause. If the
people were made aware of even this one aspect of the impending
health care "reform", this thing would go down in flames.
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Pecos Pete| 11.19.09 @ 5:59AM
JohnD:
Please continue posting your take on various sections of the
bill. And, please add section references to help me in my letters
to my two very liberal senators.
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Pete| 11.18.09 @ 7:40PM
24 hours ought to be enough time...what, you can't read close to 100 pages and hour of legalese designed to conceal true intent? Morons.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:37PM
Pete:
I am lawyer, and have a pretty good background in reading, interpreting, and even writing such unintelligible crap, and I read one section of the bill (see below) and now I have a headache and I've lost my will to live.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:29PM
I just read part of the bill, in particular, the part about the individual mandate. If you fail to maintain insurance coverage in any given year, you are fined $750, + $750 per dependant who you did not maintain coverage for. If you lapse in coverage for a month or more, you pay 1/12 of the $750 penalty for you and each dependant. This is payable with your tax return. It requires your insurer to send the equivalent of a "W-2" type document (complete with SSN's of you and your dependants covered under their policy) by Janaury 31 of each year to certify coverage for the whole year.
Here's the kicker: If you are incarcerated (that is jailed for committing a crime) you are exempt from the penalties for not maintaining adequate coverage. So you are only fined if you are a law-abiding citizen.
The other parts I skimmed over repeatedly contained this disturbing phrase: "The Secretary shall" makes rules, determine etc., and shall certify, et.al. In other words, many of the standards that will determine type of coverage, adequacy of coverage, reasonableness of premiums, etc., will be determined by burearacratic fiat; that's unelected bureacrats folks.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:34PM
Oh, one more thing: The section on Individual mandates I refer to above, also make a point to say that failure to pay your "fine" for not having coverage "will not" subject you to criminal liability; but they go on to say the Health nazis will file a lien against your property for the unpaid amount.
This means if you are a homeowner or own a business with business property they can file a lean on (trucks, plant, equipment, fixtures, etc.) you better pony up; but if you are a rental apartment dwelling urbanite with no car and no assets, or a general deadbeat (even one with $100K plus income) you can basically ignore the individual mandate.
JohnD| 11.18.09 @ 8:35PM
That's "lien" not "lean"
Frank Jinkins| 11.18.09 @ 9:57PM
JohnD, thank you for wading through that mountain of blather and pointing out this very important and worrisome clause. If the people were made aware of even this one aspect of the impending health care "reform", this thing would go down in flames.
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Reaganite Republican| 11.22.09 @ 1:03PM
Look, most people don't want this bill- and they're starting to get pretty mad about the power-drunk Dems' continued rampage.
The Democrats face a bloodbath next year... some are saying they could lose over 100 seats.
And by 2012?
The GOP could take forty states running Gilbert Gottfried, lol
Hope-n-Change = Train Wreck
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