Before Tuesday's vote on marriage in Maine, CQPolitics
ran
this piece exploring whether the polls were understating
popular support for the "people's veto." As it turned out, they
were. One of the more interesting findings: the poll
(pdf) that showed the most support for marriage redefinition
repeal used an automated message, not live interviewers. This
raises the possibility of a "Bradley effect" for gay marriage,
where people who believe marriage is between a man and a woman
are reluctant to share their real views with pollsters.
Like the overall Maine result, this cuts both ways in the
same-sex marriage debate. It suggests that overall public
opposition to same-sex marriage may be understated in national
polls, raising questions of how much the recent shifts reflect
rising support or just the public's sense of what the socially
acceptable position is. It also raises questions about marriage
polling in places like Massachusetts and New York, where some
surveys have shown plurality support for same-sex marriage (this
has been true in Massaachusetts for
years). Gay rights groups have nevertheless been reluctant to
see the issue put on the ballot there, perhaps for good reason.
On the other hand, if voicing an opinion that less than a decade
ago wasn't terribly controversial -- the idea that marriage is
between a man and a woman -- is now something people are afraid
to say to strangers, that doesn't bode well for traditional
marriage's long-term prospects. It suggests that the bandwagon
effect could work, putting opposition to same-sex marriage in the
closet or reducing it to the opinion that dare not speak its
name.
What this also suggests is that the issue of same-sex marriage
has attained the same status as the issue of race - too toxic to
be discussed by most people.
Alan Brooks| 11.5.09 @ 8:07PM
I have nothing against any sex or any marriage; it's all boring
and commercialized now. Harmless. Empty.
Big Leo| 11.5.09 @ 3:31PM
I lived in Maine for many years and have many friends there. In
my conversations with them, they all said that a real game
breaker was the attack on Dave M. (name escapes me) a nominee for
Maine teacher of the year whose job was seriously threatened by
gay marriage advocates for publicly making a statement about gay
marriage. That sort of behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the
true face of the gay 'rights' team. It might have even decided
the election.
In difficult times, we should all thank G*d for our enemies--
they are so helpful to our cause.
Let's not forget that marriage is firstly a civil matter in
America, and that marriage licenses are issued by and recorded in
town halls not church halls, or mosques or temples.
And congrats to all the couples who came to CT to wed this summer
from all across the country!
Cheers, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA.
And to the marriage police and sexually phobic, please find
something else to do with your time because life's just to short.
Find love.
Can I vote on your marriage? (LOL)
Margie| 11.7.09 @ 2:28PM
"Can I vote on your marriage? (LOL)"
~No, but God will vote on all the homosexual "Marriages" you have
and will perform.
Lotsa luck!
snootybaronet| 11.5.09 @ 3:56PM
The intimidation tactics of the marriage re-definers backfired.
Will the re-definers seek a repeal of the secret ballot so they
can unleash their intimidation tactics more effectively?
Jason| 11.5.09 @ 4:21PM
Thanks to everyone for trying to be civil. I am glad that
everyone on this board is at least respectful. Seriously, why do
people who are against gay marriage always try to take these
rights away. Outside of you not agreeing with the lifestyle, it's
a personal issue that has no implications on any of your lives.
We don't tell you can't practice your religion, and we certainly
don't tell you how to live your life. There are also protections
in the law for religious freedoms, so your religion is not
"forced" to recognize or even acknowledge we exist. We're not
asking for any special privilleges either, only for the same
privilleges that straight people have... to marry the person they
love. Which is more than just the marriage document, it's the
protections such as surivorship benefits, hospital visitation
rights, insurance coverage on a spouses plan, etc. Try to put
yourself in the shoes of a gay couple and try to see how taking
these rights away would be hurtful and cause more harm to society
than good. In a nutshell, all we want is to protect our own
families and to live our lives to the fullest. Let us be happy,
live our lives, and enjoy the same protections that should be
afforded every couple.
Gina| 11.5.09 @ 5:21PM
Jason, thanks for the kind words about protection for our
Religious freedoms but I don't believe you. You Liberals lie all
of the time to get what you want, and once you do, all bets are
off.
We don't want to see our clergy frog-marched off to jail for
stating their beliefs during Sunday morning church services.
Maybe if you leftists kept your word it would be a different
matter--but you don't. Sorry.
TonyRaskoon| 11.5.09 @ 6:19PM
Christianity now is in peril of having its centuries old position
(I know, you think it needs to be updated) on homosexuality
classified as "hate speech." The position is not taken without
reason.
Homosexuality is now a huge yawn on TV when ever openly
presented. A gay is as surprising as a redhead. Popular culture
adores gays.
Some of us are trying to preserve marriage as a sacred place
where a man and woman can live, love and procreate, raising their
children in a family where a mother and father are both wild
about them. When gays call their relationships marriage, it
belittles marriage as an institution.
Marriage includes the possibility of conceiving children. A
homosexual union does not. It may be something that warrants
state recognition, but it is not marriage as understood by
American Christianity. Call it what you want, but don't call it
marriage.
Warren Peace| 11.6.09 @ 8:08AM
Funny. What began as a claim to privacy for homosexual relations
(“what two people do behind closed doors is nobody’s business”)
has now become a claim to a public recognition under the law for
homosexual pairings to have the same trappings, benefits,
legitimacy and name of traditional marriage..
I can remember the days when gay activists were first pressing
for anti-discrimination laws to protect them in the workplace and
in housing. When their opponents posited that codifying these
protections would eventually lead to marriage for homosexuals,
gay activists RIDICULED them. The words “alarmist”, “hair
brained” and “stupid” were used against their critics. Now the
notion activists branded foolish trash is supposedly enshrined in
the Constitution.
As for assurances that gay marriage would have no further
implications, you guys don’t have a good track record.
KS| 11.5.09 @ 9:56PM
In California the only difference between a registered domestic
partnership and a marriage is the name of the relationship. The
rights or protections that Jason mentioned (survivorship
benefits, hospital visitation, etc.) are available to same-sex
couples who register as domestic partners.
Same-sex marriage is part of a broader homosexual agenda to push
same-sex marriage and homosexuality in public schools, recognize
homosexual "heroes" (as in "Harvey Milk Day"), and force Catholic
and Christian adoption agencies to violate their beliefs by
placing children with same-sex couples. That's why it is opposed,
at least by some.
Michael Dooley| 11.6.09 @ 8:24AM
Like abortion, we are told gays have a “right” to marriage that
hitherto no one found in the Constitution before. James Madison
must have put it in some fine print somewhere on the document no
one had seen in the 220 years before this day.
No one “take away” a right you never had in the first place.
Mike| 2.3.10 @ 7:57AM
I lived in Maine for many years and have many friends there. In
my conversations with them, they all said that a real game
breaker was the attack on Dave M. (name escapes me) a nominee for
Maine teacher of the year whose job was seriously threatened by
gay marriage advocates for publicly making a statement about gay
marriage. That sort of behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the
true face of the gay 'rights' team. It might have even decided
the election.
In difficult times, we should all thank G*d for our enemies--
they are so helpful to our cause. health qa
You know it has to be this way. it is prophesied to be this way.
It's should be no suprise.
pamela| 4.14.10 @ 10:03AM
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pamela| 4.21.10 @ 2:49AM
(name escapes me) a nominee for Maine teacher of the year whose
job was seriously threatened by gay marriage advocates for
publicly making a statement about gay marriage. That sort of
behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the true face of the gay
'rights' team. It might have even decided the election.
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pamela| 4.23.10 @ 11:42PM
I often allow for a possible positive feedback of ice albedo
because one can easily make the case that when the glaciers
reached the 49th Parallel they had the capacity to reflect a lot
more of suns rays because of the angle with the sun also the sun
has to pass through less atmosphere then at the sharper angel at
the polls. Infared essentially works the same way whether at the
poles or equator. But seasonal ice at the polls will be the case
as long as the sun don't shine for several months. This would be
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lower temperatures than high ones. pdf fax
pricila| 4.24.10 @ 8:46AM
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Steve| 11.5.09 @ 3:12PM
What this also suggests is that the issue of same-sex marriage has attained the same status as the issue of race - too toxic to be discussed by most people.
Alan Brooks| 11.5.09 @ 8:07PM
I have nothing against any sex or any marriage; it's all boring and commercialized now. Harmless. Empty.
Big Leo| 11.5.09 @ 3:31PM
I lived in Maine for many years and have many friends there. In my conversations with them, they all said that a real game breaker was the attack on Dave M. (name escapes me) a nominee for Maine teacher of the year whose job was seriously threatened by gay marriage advocates for publicly making a statement about gay marriage. That sort of behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the true face of the gay 'rights' team. It might have even decided the election.
In difficult times, we should all thank G*d for our enemies-- they are so helpful to our cause.
Joe Mustich, JP| 11.5.09 @ 3:51PM
Can I vote on your marriage?
Let's not forget that marriage is firstly a civil matter in America, and that marriage licenses are issued by and recorded in town halls not church halls, or mosques or temples.
And congrats to all the couples who came to CT to wed this summer from all across the country!
Cheers, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA.
And to the marriage police and sexually phobic, please find something else to do with your time because life's just to short. Find love.
Can I vote on your marriage? (LOL)
Margie| 11.7.09 @ 2:28PM
"Can I vote on your marriage? (LOL)"
~No, but God will vote on all the homosexual "Marriages" you have and will perform.
Lotsa luck!
snootybaronet| 11.5.09 @ 3:56PM
The intimidation tactics of the marriage re-definers backfired. Will the re-definers seek a repeal of the secret ballot so they can unleash their intimidation tactics more effectively?
Jason| 11.5.09 @ 4:21PM
Thanks to everyone for trying to be civil. I am glad that everyone on this board is at least respectful. Seriously, why do people who are against gay marriage always try to take these rights away. Outside of you not agreeing with the lifestyle, it's a personal issue that has no implications on any of your lives. We don't tell you can't practice your religion, and we certainly don't tell you how to live your life. There are also protections in the law for religious freedoms, so your religion is not "forced" to recognize or even acknowledge we exist. We're not asking for any special privilleges either, only for the same privilleges that straight people have... to marry the person they love. Which is more than just the marriage document, it's the protections such as surivorship benefits, hospital visitation rights, insurance coverage on a spouses plan, etc. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a gay couple and try to see how taking these rights away would be hurtful and cause more harm to society than good. In a nutshell, all we want is to protect our own families and to live our lives to the fullest. Let us be happy, live our lives, and enjoy the same protections that should be afforded every couple.
Gina| 11.5.09 @ 5:21PM
Jason, thanks for the kind words about protection for our Religious freedoms but I don't believe you. You Liberals lie all of the time to get what you want, and once you do, all bets are off.
We don't want to see our clergy frog-marched off to jail for stating their beliefs during Sunday morning church services.
Maybe if you leftists kept your word it would be a different matter--but you don't. Sorry.
TonyRaskoon| 11.5.09 @ 6:19PM
Christianity now is in peril of having its centuries old position (I know, you think it needs to be updated) on homosexuality classified as "hate speech." The position is not taken without reason.
Homosexuality is now a huge yawn on TV when ever openly presented. A gay is as surprising as a redhead. Popular culture adores gays.
Some of us are trying to preserve marriage as a sacred place where a man and woman can live, love and procreate, raising their children in a family where a mother and father are both wild about them. When gays call their relationships marriage, it belittles marriage as an institution.
Marriage includes the possibility of conceiving children. A homosexual union does not. It may be something that warrants state recognition, but it is not marriage as understood by American Christianity. Call it what you want, but don't call it marriage.
Warren Peace| 11.6.09 @ 8:08AM
Funny. What began as a claim to privacy for homosexual relations (“what two people do behind closed doors is nobody’s business”) has now become a claim to a public recognition under the law for homosexual pairings to have the same trappings, benefits, legitimacy and name of traditional marriage..
I can remember the days when gay activists were first pressing for anti-discrimination laws to protect them in the workplace and in housing. When their opponents posited that codifying these protections would eventually lead to marriage for homosexuals, gay activists RIDICULED them. The words “alarmist”, “hair brained” and “stupid” were used against their critics. Now the notion activists branded foolish trash is supposedly enshrined in the Constitution.
As for assurances that gay marriage would have no further implications, you guys don’t have a good track record.
KS| 11.5.09 @ 9:56PM
In California the only difference between a registered domestic partnership and a marriage is the name of the relationship. The rights or protections that Jason mentioned (survivorship benefits, hospital visitation, etc.) are available to same-sex couples who register as domestic partners.
Same-sex marriage is part of a broader homosexual agenda to push same-sex marriage and homosexuality in public schools, recognize homosexual "heroes" (as in "Harvey Milk Day"), and force Catholic and Christian adoption agencies to violate their beliefs by placing children with same-sex couples. That's why it is opposed, at least by some.
Michael Dooley| 11.6.09 @ 8:24AM
Like abortion, we are told gays have a “right” to marriage that hitherto no one found in the Constitution before. James Madison must have put it in some fine print somewhere on the document no one had seen in the 220 years before this day.
No one “take away” a right you never had in the first place.
Mike| 2.3.10 @ 7:57AM
I lived in Maine for many years and have many friends there. In my conversations with them, they all said that a real game breaker was the attack on Dave M. (name escapes me) a nominee for Maine teacher of the year whose job was seriously threatened by gay marriage advocates for publicly making a statement about gay marriage. That sort of behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the true face of the gay 'rights' team. It might have even decided the election.
In difficult times, we should all thank G*d for our enemies-- they are so helpful to our cause. health qa
Firefighter Training| 4.6.10 @ 7:35PM
You know it has to be this way. it is prophesied to be this way. It's should be no suprise.
pamela| 4.14.10 @ 10:03AM
I argue that NGOs can use emerging technologies to provide affordable hi-tech college level education to these college ready young people who can start building software applications relevant to their problems and opportunities in their communities. best ecommerce software
pamela| 4.21.10 @ 2:49AM
(name escapes me) a nominee for Maine teacher of the year whose job was seriously threatened by gay marriage advocates for publicly making a statement about gay marriage. That sort of behavior infuriates Mainers and showed the true face of the gay 'rights' team. It might have even decided the election. Download 3oh!3 mp3
pamela| 4.23.10 @ 11:42PM
I often allow for a possible positive feedback of ice albedo because one can easily make the case that when the glaciers reached the 49th Parallel they had the capacity to reflect a lot more of suns rays because of the angle with the sun also the sun has to pass through less atmosphere then at the sharper angel at the polls. Infared essentially works the same way whether at the poles or equator. But seasonal ice at the polls will be the case as long as the sun don't shine for several months. This would be an explanation for why climate shifts could be more dramatic at lower temperatures than high ones. pdf fax
pricila| 4.24.10 @ 8:46AM
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