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Daisy| 9.25.09 @ 12:32PM

"Death Panels" is part of the vernacular now: Only fools underestimate Palin.

Liberal Reader| 9.25.09 @ 9:44PM

Daisy --

At last you make a pretty good point. Anyone who thinks that Palin can't effect the public debate is a fool. She's a fantastic communicator and she's not dumb.

She did not come up with the phrase "death panels," a right wing think tank did. However, she was able to USE it so that it infected the public discourse and distracted people from the actual issues.

Lest we be too carried away, however, it should be pointed out yet again that there is no and has never been any death panels proposed by Democrats or anyone else.

The fact that Palin was able to affect the debate with paranoid nonsense is a testament to her ability -- and the incredible foolishness and childishness of the electorate.

S.L. Toddard| 9.26.09 @ 2:07PM

"The fact that Palin was able to affect the debate with paranoid nonsense is a testament to her ability -- and the incredible foolishness and childishness of the electorate."

That she spout out the talking-points she's handed speaks to her ability - to speak English. Otherwise it says far more about the childishness and gullibility of the electorate, and about the essence of their politics, which is entirely driven by emotions and not reason.

No one who doesn't know Palin personally can speak definitively on how intelligent she is, but given all the evidence available she appears to be a substance-free airhead with no talent beyond being able to speak English (and that not very well), being telegenic and being able to project her you-betcha hominess.

Lisa| 9.28.09 @ 4:18AM

And she's gonna kick Obama's liberal butt, doofas!

Kills you, doesn't it, kiss-ass troll? Ha ha.

Liberal Reader| 9.25.09 @ 6:14PM

Death Panels by proxy?

You mean "private health insurance"?

Johnno| 9.25.09 @ 7:08PM

Death Panels by Barack ZerObama and his fellow fascist liberals, Nazi Pelosi and Dirty Bird Harry.

Liberal Reader| 9.25.09 @ 9:24PM

Johnno --

You really are a jackass, aren't you?

Reread your post.

Is there ANYTHING about it that a seventh grader couldn't or woudn't have written?

Grow the FUCK UP, man.

In order to govern itself, a free country needs citizens who can be trusted to learn about the issues and make informed, reasonable choices.

You're not carrying your weight. You're a free-loader.

S. L. Toddard| 9.25.09 @ 10:16PM

FUCK YOU, LibReader. TurdTroll.

S.L. Toddard| 9.26.09 @ 11:11AM

LR - that is (below), obviously, Nobama/Johnno posting in my name.

S.L. Toddard| 9.26.09 @ 11:12AM

Sorry - I mean above.

Dixie Pixie| 9.25.09 @ 7:49PM

Funny, Did or did not, I hear Obama state that anyone who claims “Death Panels” will exist under his plan is lying. I guess Obama was lying, confused, delusional or simply stupid. Maybe a bit of all. It is going to be a long time to the next election cycle.

Liberal Reader| 9.25.09 @ 10:43PM

That's what you people are: you are free-loaders, the intellectual equivalents of welfare queens.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to earn it. You people aren't willing to earn it.

S. L. Toddard| 9.25.09 @ 10:48PM

The only Queen on this site is you, Mr. Swishy. Go the heck away.

S.L. Toddard| 9.26.09 @ 11:14AM

The above is also Nobama/Johnno posting in my name. He often assumes my identity in a perverse, fantasy-fulfilling role-playing game.

I hope you recognize, LR, that I do not argue in this juvenile, name-calling fashion that Johnno/Nobama does.

Apologies.

Liberal Reader| 9.26.09 @ 12:10PM

How dare you speak to me in this coarse fashion, troll. Your wimpy apology is not enough.

S.L. Toddard| 9.26.09 @ 2:08PM

There is no way this is really LR.

Liberal Reader| 9.28.09 @ 4:19AM

The smell of fine liberal whine. Quit feeling sorry for yourself, loser.

Dixie Pixie| 9.26.09 @ 6:22PM

To: Liberal Reader
You are a Harvard Yard lawn jockey and yes, for you, that was a complement. I will try one last time to bring enlightenment to your mind. Obama is a world-class con artist. Obama has lied from alpha to omega about Health Care Reform. Obama-Care is a scam and a con job by Obama and the liberals to loot and pillage the health care industry to replace the money not being skimmed out of the failing Social Security and Medicaid / Medicare systems.
End of enlightenment.
Now for anyone's amusement, here are the facts....

Roughly 70 years ago, FDR had a problem. He had created a whole alphabet soup of governmental agencies to make as many people as possible financially dependent on the benevolence of FDR. The problem thus arose was how to pay his minions and suck-ups. He came up with a Ponzi scheme where the public was forced to pay into a retirement account and at the age of 65 they could with the benevolence of the federal government draw from the Social Security accounts. The financially horrid truth was most people died at age 61 and so never would receive a penny. But for the federal government the scheme produced a bountiful surplus of money as there was a ratio of 20 pay-ins to 1 pay-out. Even better for the federal government was a ever rising population base which insured a increasing amount of money to be skimmed off. Life was good for FDR and his successors as the federal government controlled the scam from the pay-in rates and charges to the pay-outs to the beneficiaries. To complete the scam everyone but the political elite must be part of the scam by law.

Ponzi scams have a simple financial structure. Pay-ins minus Pay-outs equals money skimmed. There lies the 3 fundamental flaws of the scheme. (1st) Pay-outs must never exceed Pay-ins. (2nd) The money skimmed off must never exceed the difference between the Pay-outs and Pay-ins. (3rd) Finally for a ever increasing money to be skimmed condition, there must be ever more numerous suckers brought into the scam.
FDR thought with the Social Security scheme all three conditions would never occur. It never occurred to him the US Federal Government would violate all three conditions. It certainly never occurred to him there was a fourth flaw in his scheme.

The fourth flaw was the worst flaw of all. It never occurred to the economists of the day there was a difference in government and private spending. There really is a difference in capital investment and spending money on more bureaucrats. Certainly no one knew or mentioned government income and spending was a destroyer of monetary value. In short every dollar sent to government was one dollar taken out of the private economy and therefor destroyed. It was not surprising the high capital requirement industries were first destroyed thus creating the Rust Belt States. Now the middle and low capital requirement going down the governmental drain. It never occurred to FDR he was creating the conditions for economic destruction of the US industry and therefor high value jobs and job income.

By wrecking the US industrial economy the Federal Government violated the third Ponzi condition. The Federal Government insured there would be a decreasing Ponzi Pay-in as a function of time. As a function of time the monetary value of american jobs decreased, decreasing the Social Security income per job over time.
Also aborting babies insured there would be fewer people coming into the Social Security system as a function of time. Consider that the 60 million aborted children would have saved the Social Security system when they reached productive age. As a result of the Federal Government actions there was less people with lower value jobs restricting income into the Ponzi scam as a function of time.

By borrowing more money than the Federal Government takes in violates the second Ponzi condition. By borrowing against the Social Security income the Federal Government is taking more money out of the scam than can be sustained. The net result is to decrease the value of the currency used in the Ponzi scam.

Finally, Congress violated the third Ponzi condition by increasing benefits to gain political support. Every one loves a Santa Claus and Congress could not resist as it was free money to them. Each "gift" seemed small considered one by one but over time they added up.

As a result the Social Security and the related Medicaid / Medicare Ponzi schemes are failing. Both will cease generating money for the Federal Government in a few years. The gig is up for the Federal Government and they are out of time. The Federal Government needs a new income stream to replace what they soon lose. Obama and the Liberals hope that Obama-Care will be that replacement.

Obama-Care is the standard Ponzi format. Force everyone into it. Maximize the income stream by requiring the maximum supportable cost per person and minimizing the pay-out by restricting health care to a minimum. Skim off the resulting difference in Pay-in and Pay-out and spend the resulting money on the Federal Bureaucracy and the public sector within. Time is running out for the US Federal Government and they know it. The only rational alternative solution is for the Federal Government to cut spending somewhere from 25% to 60%. That will not happen as the public sector unions will revolt at any spending cut.

End of long enlightenment.
Did it hurt Liberal Reader?

Liberal Reader| 9.26.09 @ 10:51PM

Dixie --

What you've written here is a hash of quasi-fascistic paranoia typical of far right websites.

It's not interesting, enlightening, surprising, or even all that threatening, since it represents the thinking of such a small and -- thank God -- marginalized fringe of kooks that not even a common farm duck would take seriously.

Get religion, woman, and reform.

Liberal Breeder| 9.27.09 @ 3:31AM

Reform now, Dixie--or I'll goose step all over you with my new jackboots! I got them 'slightly used' from Axelrod.

Damn teabagger conservative, we'll show you!

Dixie Pixie| 9.27.09 @ 5:34PM

To: Liberal Reader, Liberal Breeder

Okay, I stand corrected, both of you combined do not have the mental ability to be a Harvard Yard lawn jockey.
You proved it by not recognizing the subtle gradients of western political thought as the difference between a German Socialist and a Taft Isolationist ( Which I proudly am).

To summarize my main points, Obama-Care is being constructed as a Ponzi scheme replacement for the failing Social Security Ponzi scam by a world class “Shuck and Jive” con men. Due to liberal greed and stupidity, the skimmed off money stream from Social Security will fail in a few years. Obama-Care is the replacement so the Federal Government can skim off as much money as possible. Granny will be dammed.

So Liberal Reader and Liberal Breeder what is it like to be a willing “mark” and fool.

Liberal Reader| 9.27.09 @ 6:12PM

Dixie,

Just a few things, and then really, I've had done with this conversation.

1) What evidence do you have that health care legislation is a Ponzi scheme? Or, are you just flinging that accusation around to inflame people's passions?

2) What do you mean by "Shuck and Jive" con men. To whom are you referring?

3) Who has "skimmed money" from Social Security?

4) Do you have ANY thing to offer except revanchist bile, conspiracy theories, irrational claims, and rash, unsubstantiated accusations?

Dixie Pixie| 9.27.09 @ 7:22PM

To: Liberal Reader
Yes, I too am weary of this word play with the deliberately foolish.

(1)The Health Care reform structure defined by HR3200

(2)“Shuck an Jive” is a common South-Eastern description for a type of con man which uses a exceedingly verbose flurry of specious rhetoric to perpetrate a confidence scam. The term also drives Northerners nuts.

(3)What??? Are you willing blind???? What do you think the decade long “Lock-Box” debate was about. If you opened the Social Security Trust Fund you will find a large mound of moth-eaten IOU's from dead politicians.

(4)I suggest you wake up or the last thing you will see is a Obama-Care doctor injecting you with a lethal cocktail of drugs. Everyone gets old and given the political choice between spending money on health-care or spending money on a politically favored cause, guess who will get the lethal injection for costing too much.

Wake Up before it is too late.

Liberal Reader| 9.28.09 @ 1:06AM

Dixie

You and Johnno should get together and go bowling. You'll wind up on Jerry Springer someday with a litter of children suing the government because they've been expelled for wearing swastika t-shirts to school.

Honey, did you ever see the bumper sticker "Don't believe everything you think"?

It's advice you ought to consider meditating on just a little.

Liberal Reader| 9.28.09 @ 3:45AM

Dixie; honest, baby--we'd be cool but I'm hunchbacked and pockfaced; I never leave my stepmom's basement.

When I'm not pirouetting pretty in Emanuel's dainty ballerina slippers, I fill the lonely hours goose-stepping around in Axelrod's old jackboots: They gave me foot fungus.

No Liberal Breeder| 9.27.09 @ 8:59PM

Just a note, Dixie: Liberal Breeder is what Liberal Reader REALLY thinks but can't say quite yet (Fascist Liberal power consolidation is not finished, yet). I was just having a little fun with the fascist troll.

Arrogant ass, ain't he?

S.L. Toddard| 9.27.09 @ 9:08PM

Oh, By the way Dixie, you're right about the corruption in Social Security, MediCare and MediCaid: The losses are in the tens of billions of dollars every year: 30--40%!!. Corruption is one of the main reasons these programs are bankrupt--ObamaCare will be FAR worse.

Every democrat thief will be paid off forever. Democrats are disgusting crooks and criminals.

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