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Stacy McCain has called in to report that according to Barbara Espinosa, who’ll be blogging from the event at Vodkapundit, attendance at today’s Washington, D.C. freedom takeover has been “metered” at 450,000.
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Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 1:16PM
The so-called "liberal press" is going wild for this protest, although numbers have no yet been tallied to reach this high amount.
So when thousands of white nationalists descend on D.C., the event is given plenty of coverage.
Where was the press when millions protested the Iraq War here in the U.S. and abroad?
The protests in Feb. and March of 03 were the largest protests ever recorded; in one 24 hour period of time, there were estimates of over 10 million protesters in the States and Europe.
Fair's fair. Cover the Tea Baggers. They deserve to have their voice heard.
But I wonder why they're getting more coverage already than folks received before W led this country into war against a country that had never attacked us.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 1:19PM
McCain's suggestion that there are as many as 450,000 in D.C. is certainly not confirmed by any other source.
The highest estimate I've seen so far is "over 40,000."
Maybe you misread McCain's communique? Of course, it could be half a million. We'll know more by the end of the day.
Mike campbell| 9.12.09 @ 1:51PM
Dream on Liberal Reader - The estimates now are 2 MILLION MARCHERS. See michellemalkin.com.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 2:17PM
Hilarious.
"See Michellemalkin.com."
O.K. I'll do that, Mike. Right away. It's always the first place I go for news.
Or ... maybe I'll just wait to see what the different agencies -- police, park service -- report. I know, I know, they're a part of the conspiracy against you. But that's how it goes, I'm afraid.
Look: if a million, two million, five million people show up, I say: more power to them!
I like it that people are getting into our nation's capitol and participating in our democracy.
Protests are exactly the setting for the kind of message these folks want to get out. There's a time and a place for everything, and a Saturday morning's protesting in D.C. is just the right time and right place for venting frustrations about the government.
Go for it, brothers and sisters. It's the American way.
Daisy| 9.12.09 @ 3:35PM
If anyone's a "Tea Bagger" it's you, you little liberal pervert, LibReader.
"Go goose-step around your step-mother's basement some more." Credit to Pete.
Don't steal my name again.
hesketh | 9.12.09 @ 3:43PM
Obama had to flee DC. After an exhaustive search he found a friendly Minnesota Farm Laborers enclave to hold an OBamaCare rally.
Skip MacLure| 9.12.09 @ 4:17PM
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW!
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 4:48PM
"CAN YOU HEAR US NOW"
You've been screaming all summer so most are now tuning you out.
2, 717,632 patriots. Yeah ,that's the ticket. Stake your life. Slit your wrists.
40,000 or so anti-American nuts. Reality.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 4:59PM
Daisy --
What reason do you have to call me a "pervert"?
Seriously.
How dare you?
You don't know anything about me. I realize it's far too much to ask that people to offer some sort argument when they're discussing politics.
But you've just called me a "pervert." You have no knowledge, no evidence -- nothing to base such an accusation on.
You are an indecent, rude, and presumptuous person. What is your problem?
Daisy| 9.12.09 @ 5:03PM
You're the tea-bagger, jack ass.
Curtis Rasmussen| 9.12.09 @ 5:13PM
Obama's arrogance is impossible to penetrate. No Marxist ever listened to the will of the people, he will discount and ignore this showing of solidarity just as he ignores the fact that most Americans are sick of the debt he's established and new proposals to tank the economy. (Fascist Healthcare and job destroying Cap and Trade)
Liberal Reader=Rolfe=S.L. Toadturd = Arrogant megalomaniac confrontational loner. When he gets caught in a unsustainable position he will switch monikers.
Please, ignore them all. I find it hard to criticize the little baby in the corner throwing a temper tantrum. Heck, the Democrat socialists are in charge, he should be celebrating with like minds somewhere else. But no, he's here stirring up crap with ridiculous comments and replies. Don't waste your precious thoughts and keyboard on this loser.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.12.09 @ 5:27PM
Well, liberal,
Daisy has been reading your posts for a while. She has read your stupid comments, nasty words, name calling etc. as have many of us.
I usually just use my scroll button on you.
Today however I am just enjoying your squawking too much to scroll past heh!
Seriously, bud, you are obviously too stupid to hold a job, and cannot understand why so many people across this country cost themselves part of their living, go half way across the country to say no to communism.
You are certainly not worthy of arguing with. Your arguments are so silly, that only a child would buy into them after Obama has proven himself...well shown himself as he truly is.
I don't care if he is black. So is Thomas Sowell and one of our finest Supreme Court justices.
I don't like him because he is RED!
Now you are too young to know what that means in the guts of we older folks. The word "communist" means nothing to you children, but you never sheltered under your school desk during a nuclear war alert.
So buddy, for your own interests, read carefully now. I cannot imagine why you drop in here with turds in the punchbowl, but if we productive persons in the country cannot turn it around with demonstrations and petitions...........quickly, you are going to have to experience what many of us have experienced in our lives........the bloody teeth of war.
We older folks shall not accept your worldview short of death, and we shall go down fighting. We outnumber the silly wimpy children like you, and we outnumber the silly politicians who think they can end freedom in this country.
Your turds won an election, but have already lost the war.
(end of my discourse with you.)
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 5:50PM
LR,
I've been called that and worse by this creature.
Their entire movement is based on lies, fear, and the most outlandish of claims.He or She dares because they always get away with it.
You know this though, which is why your question "What is your problem?" is rhetorical.
Guarantee the only reply you'll get is more insults and nonsense.
These folks know no bounds of decency or humanity. Yesterday, 9/11, I was accused by some cretin of dancing in the streets when the towers fell. Took my breath away. No humanity with these folks.
Heaven forbid you have a German name. Endless nazi "fun" follows. If they knew my family history they might be ashamed, but I doubt it.
Why am I here again? I really don't know. I was a subscriber to AS in the eighties. I truly feel unbearably sad when I remember the true erudition of the AS in those years and read these hateful comments. Then I remember the role of AS in the Clinton witch-hunt and realize I shouldn't be surprised. That's what gets me...they're trying to do it again.
Except they didn't have to do it again in the same way, did they? Something has already provoked these folks into the streets. Something gave us tea parties in February. Something has given them a particular edge; a zealous loudness. Alot of these folks are clearly nuts.
Oh well, best to us all.
Daisy| 9.12.09 @ 6:15PM
Jeremiah, how old are you, dork? LR/Rolfey--you're all the same. Can't you see what a loser you look like trolling a conservative web site all day on a Saturday? On a Saturday, for Pete's sake!
I feel embarrassed for you; you obviously have no friends.
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 6:39PM
Hey, Jeremiah... Britain's Daily Mail, which can be considered pretty close to unbiased in this because they really don't have a dog in this fight, is estimating up to two million people were there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ation.html
Let's hear you spin that report, Jeremiah,
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 6:44PM
Two general questions: Who is Jeremiah? and, why are questions (I think) directed towards me prefaced by that name?
tonypal| 9.12.09 @ 6:47PM
Liberal Reader:
Perhaps Daisy refers to you as a pervert because you, like your leftist brethren, seem obsessed with the idea of "teabagging." Long ago, the protesters declared they were holding "tea parties." Yet you insist on calling them tea baggers.
Of course, one possibility is that you're just too stupid to understand plain English. But we know that can't be the case because you post obsessively here at TAS in the King's English. The other possibility, which I have suggested, is you and your fellow lefties are obsessed with the act of teabagging.
Although the act itself may or may not be perverted, depending on your sensibilities, the idea that you simply cannot let the thought go indicates some sort of bizarre obsession with the act.
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 6:53PM
Rolfe, the person now calling himself Liberal Reader used to use the moniker Jeremiah here. He's as much as admitted such in previous threads.
Therefore, some of us who've been here a while tend to call him by that name.
And since he was the first one to question the crowd estimate, my post regarding such was addressed to him. Which raises the question, why are you speculating about whether it was directed at you? Is "Rolfe" just the latest in the string of names for Jeremiah/Liberal Reader?
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 7:09PM
Con wanderer,
The Daily Mail? OK. Great source. You do know the DM is the joke of Fleet Street, don't you?
The headline says " up to two million" Covers the whole gamut, doesn't it?
I surrender. It was 2.7 million, OK? No, it was two million eight hundred and fifty thousand. So what?
Be sure to check the pics on the link. Obama with hitler mustache. Obama as Joker. Yellow anti-American snake flags out-number the Stars and Stripes. Two millions of people(joke).
No thanks.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 7:14PM
Conservative --
I'm not trying to spin anything. I don't think Michelle Malkin is a credible source of news. If a newspaper is reporting those figures, and those figures are confirmed, I don't see any trouble believing them.
I'm not exactly surprised that you can get millions of people to protest taxes.
And like I said: more power to them.
As for the TEA BAGGING vs. TEA PARTYING. I hadn't realized there was a difference; I believe I've heard many of you folks talking among yourselves about "tea bagging." I could have been mistaken. I still don't know how that gave Daisy the right to call me a pervert.
But please -- I don't think I want it explained to me.
You people call yourselves what you want; I have no dog in the fight.
Tea Party Patriots! Right on, brothers. Fine with me.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 7:17PM
Thank you, Conservative Wanderer
I've asked numerous times, never got an answer until now. I assure all, I'm Rolfe only.
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 7:33PM
Rolfe sez:
"Be sure to check the pics on the link. Obama with hitler mustache."
Google "Bushhitler" sometime, Rolfe. Then show me where and when you suggested that those comparisons were out of line.
Then, maybe your complaints will have some validity with normal people.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 7:35PM
To clarify: I've been called "Jeremiah" (and a nazi) every time I've posted here.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 7:44PM
Conservative Wanderer,
Curiously, that google mostly provides right wing sites complaining about a very few instances of such. Judging by the results, Michelle Malkin (112)has used the term Bushitler many, many more times than Daily Kos (2).
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 7:49PM
Gotcha, Rolfe. Either you're lying, or you're incompetent at using Google. I'll assume the second, as it's a little less embarrassing for you,
Here's the search:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&a.....0b1643625b
The second item I get is this one:
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/
I'd add more, but it won't let me do more than 2 links. I think I've proven your incompetence at a simple Google search, tho.
Nick| 9.12.09 @ 7:57PM
Marxist Reader,
Are you really Jeremiah?
No wonder I got de javu arguing with you. I see you still haven't educated yourself.
For those interested, go down to the "Bad Time to be a Liberal" thread to see Marxist Reader get a tutorial on political theories of the early 20th century.
If you are Jeremiah, why have you given up?
David H| 9.12.09 @ 8:11PM
Liberal Reader - nice try claiming to innocently confuse tea baggers and tea parties, or claiming that you heard conservatives call themselves tea baggers. You know full well what the difference is, and we all know why you know. You and Anderson Cooper.
Hey, I overheard a liberal once say that Liberal Reader also likes to known as "Douchebag."
Have a great weekend, Douchebag!
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 8:20PM
This is Jekyll,Hyde,Jekyll, Hyde and Jekyll as independent, high-fiver of real conservatives.
One of his early JH/JH/J posts was to castigate Jeremiah,Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader thusly:
Rolfe| 8.26.09 @ 2:58PM
Only a worthless creep would defend the immoral actions of another worthless creep. Shame on you, LibReader/Jeremiah!
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 6:44PM
Two general questions: Who is Jeremiah? and, why are questions (I think) directed towards me prefaced by that name?
The pattern is easy to discern. The moniker thing is emblematic of his/their demand that you accept his/their premise. Liberalism based on lies is right before your eyes. It couldn’t be attempted in person because no one would think such a person sane to say nothing of being able to respect him.
Mala Fide can come in small packages or large. All of it comes from the Father of Lies.
In the exorcist when the demon is finally cast out it crawls through the wall and leaves the word confusion scrawled over it.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 8:20PM
Look at the sixth and seventh results in your elementary search. Funny. Gateway Pundit and...TAS.
Bushitler. Never heard it on the mainstream left while the right invokes it often. Tu quoque.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 8:33PM
Mary Louise,
Please gently place your face back into the punchbowl. Thanks.
Love, Rolfe
Fionnagh| 9.12.09 @ 8:33PM
LR - "I have no dog in the fight."
Then why do you take such care in posting your rebuttals? Why bother, unless you do, indeed, have a dog in this fight, and his name is Obama?
David H| 9.12.09 @ 8:35PM
I also like how Liberal Reader muddies the water by comparing attendance at this one-time event with anti-war protests in multiple places at multiple times.
Look, I wouldn't really be surprised if 10 million ageing hippies, well-off college students and ACORN enlistees showed up to protest the very idea of fighting against Saddam Hussein. Big deal! Those people live to gather in mass protest. It gives them an opportunity to feel highly about themselves, to smoke weed (not that there's anything wrong with that), demonize President Bush and in general stink up the joint. Good for them.
But I would bet that the majority of marchers today have never protested anything before, and came of their own volition and expense to speak out against B. Hussein Obama.
See, it came full circle! Liberals march for Hussein (Saddam), conservatives march against Hussein (Obama). How clever.
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 8:43PM
Jeremiah,Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe,
You're disordered and ill. And you're not very clever.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 8:53PM
Thanks, Mary Louise
Ooh, there's a demon!
Mary Louise, we hardly knew ye...
Curtis Rasmussen| 9.12.09 @ 8:55PM
Mary Louise, here is another gem. No one on this site is conservative, the troll Jeremiah,Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe, S.L Toddard is the only true conservative:
S.L. Toddard| 9.1.09 @ 7:03PM
"Dullard, how would YOU know what a Conservative is?"
Being that I am usually the only Conservative commenting on this site, I should be asking you that, shouldn't I? To satisfy your curiosity about this alien (to you) thing called "a Conservative", I will say again as I have said before:
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 8:57PM
Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe:
You're legion without his appeal. You're a dishonest person, and you're ill. You should seek help.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 8:59PM
I did not consciously use the phrase "tea bagger" to make fun of the protestors.
What about my posts on this website makes you think I'm shy about making fun of idiocy when I see it?
And no -- I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care what people protesting in DC today call themselves, and as I've said three or four times now, I'm all for it.
It looks a little silly to me, honestly. I don't know what the theme of the protest is. It seems like they're saying, "We hate taxes." Which is fine by me. And again: I like protests just on general principles, and I wish them all the best.
I also don't care if a few of you don't believe me. I don't care if you think I'm Rolfe; honestly, I don't really care what you think at all about anything -- now that I think about it.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 8:59PM
Mary Louise, Mary Pat, Mary Elephant, Mary Socrates,
You're not disordered and not ill. And very clever. Also.
Liberal Reader| 9.12.09 @ 9:04PM
David H --
The protest I was comparing this event to involved people protesting ON THE SAME DAY in hundreds of cities in the U.S. and Europe. I guess it would be hard to claim they were the same protest, but their was a concerted effort to make a statement together at the same time. The numbers involved were absolutely huge; millions of people in allied nations joined about 3 million in the United States, and the press paid almost NO ATTENTION.
But angry, overweight, middle-aged white men?
The media are all over it. Liberal press, indeed!
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 9:05PM
Curtis, my conservative friend, that's exactly what I was referring to.
When a liberal deals in bad faith like Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe, you just can't let it slide.
I don't know if you caught Bandow's thread on how the subject that very few people describe themselves as liberal?
The reason liberalism is a bit more despised than all the rest of the labels is because it’s a fraudulent upstart, and to use Krauthammer’s phrase, that’s intuitive and empirical.
Progressive isn’t much better because the leveling involved isn’t a good fit with general ideas of increasing quality of life for all. Instead it’s suspected that progressives want to level all to the mediocre. They want to arbitrarily control the definition and direction of progress.
Conservatism is in the shape it’s in because who can define it? But, in the end, that’s an edge over the two, and conservatism has a pedigree that is long and storied. Modern day liberalism has no such pedigree that’s why Pelosi can credibly be one of its large voices.
Liberalism is fraudulent because it’s wholly dependent on capitalism for its “intellectual” leisure time. It’s fraudulent because it hates and bites the hand that feeds it. It demands you not only hate the rich, you ream them too. It’s a hateful, thankless and vastly inferior political persuasion.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 9:05PM
I don't care if y'all think I'm Liberal Reader either.
Is this a case of two people not giving a shit to the dismay of a few? I pray not.
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 9:11PM
Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe,
You're not disordered and not ill. And very clever. Also.
So very true and thank you!
Be honest. Don't be a liar or you'll be a child of the Father of Lies.
You're Catholic, right? Tomorrow ,if and when you go to Mass, you'll bow your head when the priest says: Corpus Domini! Keep that close to mind and heart.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 9:11PM
Mary Louise,
Can I get some of the stuff you're smokin'.
It may help decipher your...musings?
Love, Rolfe
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 9:17PM
Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe:
You're not fooling anyone. You really stepped in it.
As I said, Be honest! Don't traffic in lies. You're life must be pretty miserable for you to do this. And, obviously, please stay away from the herb you have enough problems. I don't think you want to add to them.
You're replies are just pathetic.
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 9:19PM
In last post, You're should read Your.
I hate mistakes: Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe, we've been here before.
Curtis Rasmussen| 9.12.09 @ 9:24PM
Liberalism is very elite as well. The champions of the left are very wealthy, and will never suffer from the socialist programs they are trying to implement.
Pay, retirement, and health care will never be a concern for them as they have voted themselves very generous packages from the tax trough. These plans will never be reflected for the general populace, and they never should be, for the country would go bankrupt in a microsecond.
I find this to be arrogant and hypocritical. Now, we have a president who shows all his Marxist roots by association and his plan to make all citizens dependent on the government, a new type of patronizing 'affirmative action' for which there is no escape. Only this time, the healthcare safety net for all will mean rationed death for many.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 9:24PM
OMG, It's the Anchoress!
Mala Fides should have have been my first clue. I'll restrain myself from saying anything rude and shall only say "God Bless You".
Love Rolfe
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 9:33PM
mary Louise,
Please gently put your face back into the punchbowl. I'll hold your wimple. OK?
Rolfe
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 9:34PM
No question about it, Curtis. The money will remain in some hands. It's not just going to disappear.
The rallying cry for conservatives could be something like 'We understand you don't understand why we're still at war. You might beging to realize it if we leave unaccomplished what needs to be accomplished. We understand your misgivings. They're natural. But we can always leave Iraq, surrender, if you will. Yes, there will be a price to pay, but it can be done. However, you'll never escape Obamacare; it's forever.
P.S. JH/JH/J doesn't even realize his replies confirm a thing or two.
Nick| 9.12.09 @ 9:50PM
Marxist Reader,
No denial?
Is this an admission? Are you Jeremiah?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 9:51PM
Mary Louise,
I find it so amazing that your rallying cry includes a war-whoop and a kibosh on universal healthcare. What religion is that?
Do you realize that Iraq has universal medical healthcare provided by--- the US taxpayer! Mission accomplished, huh?
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 10:05PM
Sheesh, I wander off for a couple of hours to watch an anime movie on Cartoon Network, and look what happens.
Rolfe, sock-puppet or not (and I am still undecided on that), the question I posed to you was not how prevalent the "Bushhitler" concept was, the question was, have you ever, in the past, spoken out against such a characterization of our President, as you did against the poster of Obama with a Hitler moustache?
Time for you to quit dodging the question (that's an old Jeremiah trick, by the way) and give a straight answer, Rolfe.
Mary Louise| 9.12.09 @ 10:17PM
Jeremiah, Tom Paine, Murphy, Liberal Reader, Rolfe:
You missed the point, and I'm not surprised. Besides being dishonest, you're a solipsist. I am too, sometimes. It comes with being human. Worry less about that than about your dishonesty.
Mission Accomplished was a fiasco, to be sure. But our our boys, who don't decide or ask to go to war, will nevertheless continue to make certain that you can continue to miss the point.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 10:29PM
Conservartive Wanderer,
I honestly have only had one encounter with a Bush=hitler whatsit. I met a fiend in New Snyrna Beach , FL before a Dubya fundraiser in 2002. The sign he brought was an image of President Bush with a swastika armband.
The sign was left in the car. I was honestly offended. My family history had alot to do with that.
My sign only referenced "fundraiser in chief"
David H.| 9.12.09 @ 10:32PM
Lib Reader...I was just going by what you posted originally - that "in Feb and March of 03" there were such and such millions protesting.
Anyway, I did a Lexi-Nexis search and there was puh-lenty of media coverage of these anti-war protests. But even the Washington Post stories said the DC protest in 2/2003 was about 100,000 (smaller than several Vietnam War protests), but also "Between 6 million and 12 million protesters rallied in about 75 countries Feb. 15 against war." That's a lot of countries to spread out 10 million. But whatever, I think war is a decent thing to protest against. I hate wah myself.
I stand by my original assertion that all things considered, what we saw today was something entirely new and unique in American history.
And one more thing - stop trying to insult conservatives by calling us overweight white males. First of all, that's a majority segment of the population! Second, there are large numbers of women and young people involved in conservativism as well. That minorities are still staying Democratic, if not flamingly liberal, is a failure of conservative communication - not conservative beliefs. We're working on the former.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 10:35PM
Wierd, that friend did turn out to be a fiend.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 10:52PM
Yeah, I'm with David H.
Stop calling him fat.He says there's lots of fat chicks and young fat people who can throw a teabag with the best of them. So there.
David H| 9.12.09 @ 10:58PM
Yep, I am a little chubby...but your wife would take me in a second over you Ralph. If only you could find a female that...wait a minute - sorry, I couldn't stop chuckling imagining you being interested in women.
I do wish I was as skinny as Obama. Oh wait, that's racist to say. Please forgive me.
bobc| 9.12.09 @ 11:02PM
I thought this site had adults reading the articles, seems I am wrong!
ConservativeWanderer | 9.12.09 @ 11:10PM
There, Rolfe, that wasn't so hard to say, was it? So why all the unnecessary fol-de-rol about not being able to find stuff on Google?
Of course, your story is completely impossible to prove, but I'll let the intelligent people here determine if they want to believe you or not. I've certainly made my own decision.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 11:15PM
DavidH,
I'm supremely un-interested in women. Ooh, you called me out. No one I know, I can assure you, would pick you over me. You are forgiven.
David H| 9.12.09 @ 11:20PM
Thank you, Woof, for your mercy. And I didn't mean to imply that you were a certain sexual persuasion. I actually don't care. I only meant to imply that you must be incredibly unattractive, physicially and intellectually and emotionally, to whatever sex or species to whom you are attracted.
Sorry, BobC, for the immature post. Now I hear my mother asking from downstairs why I am still awake, time to turn off the flashlight and go to sleep!
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 11:21PM
Please, somebody check on Mary Louise. We certainly don't want her drowning in that punchbowl.
Rolfe| 9.12.09 @ 11:31PM
Yeah, David,
Everyone can tell you're horribly un-attracted to handsome men, dammit, no matter how attractive they are, dammit, physically,and intellecually,and emotionally , and physically, and handsomely fer crissakes.
Woof?
Do ya know what that means?
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 12:24AM
Looks like ABC and others are reporting 60-70 thousand based on police estimates.
Not quite a half million.
Not quite 2 million.
But maybe Michelle Malkin is right. 2 million.
Still, 70 thousand is quite a lot.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 12:27AM
David H --
White males make up about 26% of voters; about 60% of them are "conservative."
You're not half the population, bubba. You just whine a lot.
Sorry, man.
Rolfe| 9.13.09 @ 12:34AM
6o,ooo. Probably an genorous estimate. I'll still give them 2,850,000. That makes'em happy.
That 2 million from the Daily Mail-written from Britain and based on some wild number two days out.
Sixty thousand. Okey-dokey!
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 12:34AM
Most other news agencies are reporting "tens of thousands."
It's still a good size, but doesn't seem as big as organizers are claiming.
BELIEVE me, I've been there. I was involved in political activism for years; organizers ALWAYS overstate attendance at these things.
The police and park service people generate numbers independently and comparing them can get you an accurate figure. Those numbers will be out tommorow.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 12:42AM
In 1989 I was in DC for a protest marking the 10th anniversary of Archbishop Romero's assassination.
The numbers were estimated to be around 15,000 at that protest.
But being there, I would have thought it was 150,000. The city is not very big, particularly in the areas where these things happen. Overestimating the numbers is very easy and very understandable.
Again: these early estimates could be wrong: the numbers COULD be in the hundreds of thousands. I really doubt it though.
The point is: these impressionistic estimates are very unreliable.
Rolfe| 9.13.09 @ 12:57AM
We're pegging this 2 million BS number to an article in the Daily Mail from Britain written the day before the protests using wild predictions from the Plum Line. Apparently this is the basis of Michelle Malkin's lie
Nick| 9.13.09 @ 2:03AM
Marxist Reader,
Why were you protesting in D.C.? Archbishop Romero was killed in San Salvador. In 1980.
Not only were you in the wrong city, you missed the 10th anniversary by 1 year!
San Salvador is in El Salvador, for those of you in Rio Linda.
Why won't you answer my questions? Aren't you talking to me anymore? Or are you just sick of having your ignorance exposed by me?
p.s. Are you Jeremiah?
Nick| 9.13.09 @ 2:05AM
Rolfe,
Who is "We're"?
You and the voices in your head?
Daisy| 9.13.09 @ 2:07AM
You stupid trolls have a lot of nerve referring to conservatives as overweight white males: Especially after seeing the wild herds of hippos and elephants lumbering off those ACORN busses.
Of course, Jeremiah/LibReader/Rolfey also have a thing for that thick ACORN chick in the brown tank top who was busted by those two conservative kids. You beta boys like your women BIG, don't ya? Must be compensating for something.
Don't steal my name again, Jeremiah.
Daisy| 9.13.09 @ 2:09AM
Nick, Basil used to call Jeremiah Sybil. I think it's particularly apt. Split personality troll. It was all that dope you know.
Rolfe| 9.13.09 @ 2:22AM
Nick,
Yeah, me and those one million, nine hundred and forty thousand phantom tea-partiers. It's fairly crowded, but we've such clever signs.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 2:27AM
Nick --
Right you are. It was 1990, not 1989, that the protest happened.
We were protesting continued U.S. backing of the regime in El Salvador that was responsible for the deaths of the Archbishop, at least four nuns, six American Catholic workers, and tens of thousands of El Salvadorans in the 70s and 80s.
Rolfe| 9.13.09 @ 2:30AM
Oh, and Nick,
Mega-dittoes dude. You're awesome. Not many folks care so much to work a Rush reference into a shitty blog comment. Congrats.
Daisy| 9.13.09 @ 2:35AM
Jeremiah is LibReader. Every time Jeremiah would throw an F-Bomb or use another word equally vile he'd slink away and morph into a new name. What a wiener!
He's had at least 8 or 9 names.
Changed his handle but not his writing style; it wasn't tough to discern what the azzhat was doing. I felt embarrassed for the little twerp, so as an act of mercy I outed him! HA ha.
Daisy| 9.13.09 @ 2:39AM
LibReader and Rolfey were probably in the WeatherUnderground with Obama's buddy Billy Ayers. You guy(s) are old crappers!
How many of your fellow Americans did you losers blow up?
Nick| 9.13.09 @ 3:00AM
Marxist Reader,
No, you were another useful idiot doing the bidding of the Soviet Union, which was doing most of the killing in El Salvador.
No one knows who killed all those people, least of all you. You're starting to sound like Phil Donahue. Want to tell me about the evil School of the Americas?
Daisy,
You crack me up! Keep it up. Thanks.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 4:16AM
Nick, it's time for me to 'fess up and answer your question: Yes, I am Jeremiah and Rolfe. You see, long ago my dearly departed clumsy mummy dropped me on my head numerous times over a period of weeks, and I sustained a severe brain injury (also explains my inglorious, oddly shaped head).
Fast forward to the present and sadly, due to the terrified shrieks and screeches my gargoyle like countenance now elicits from young ladies and children, I must stay home in the dark, alone.
Hence, the reason for my ubiquitous presence on this precious web-site (and, yes, I know you folks on the right are RIGHT!).
I solemnly pledge to mind my manners and be a polite troll from now on. No more F-Bombs or fellow blogger name-theft for me!
ConservativeWanderer | 9.13.09 @ 9:22AM
Everyone please note, our resident troll, Jeremiah, seems to be completely ignoring the fact that a British news source, London's Daily Mail, has itself reported the 2 million figure, and is instead focusing on Michelle Malkin's report of the same figure.
Gee, why would he ignore a credible third party without an ideological axe to grind?
I know what my theory is.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:03AM
Conservative --
You are correct. ONE news source is printing that figure. I acknowledge that fact.
Have you ever been to DC? Two million people entering that city on the same day? I think someone other than Michelle Malkin or your Brit newspaper would notice ....
I'm merely pointing out that every news organization I've seen is sticking with estimates in the "tens of thousands." The DC fire department reported the 60-70 thousand figure; we have yet to hear from the police department.
I think it VERY unlikely that people are making a miscalculation or -- even more unlikely -- deliberately trying to make a crowd of 2 million less than a hundred thousand. It strains credulity, to say the least.
But: if there are any credible confirmations of your news story by tomorrow; or even if there are widespread reports that numbers topped the 100,000 mark; I promise to show up here tomorrow and eat crow.
Bill| 9.13.09 @ 10:05AM
All the liberal reader's comments prove is something that we all have known, liberals have their own form of math. The numbers are high or low depending on what is advantageous to them at the moment!
If he and the NY Times think there were only 40,000 in DC, the basic 2+2=x ,is too much for them to figure out!
They will find out what the true number was next November!
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:05AM
I'm not sure you're thinking clearly about this.
A crowd of 450,000 -- reported above -- is absolutely HUGE.
The idea that a half million people could squeeze in to the Capitol in one morning -- though it is possible -- is shocking.
But 2 million? I really doubt it. But like I said. I could be wrong.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:07AM
Hilarious and Cause for Great Rejoicing were reports of Tea Party Patriots taking DC's public transportation into town to protest government programs.
And it raises the question: 2 million people and the city was still functioning? It seems almost impossible, Mr. Wanderer. I highly doubt the numbers could have been that high.
ConservativeWanderer | 9.13.09 @ 10:15AM
Jeremiah, you expect the Obama-loving media to honestly and fairly report on the size of this anti-Obama rally?
You're living in a dream world. Which is no surprise, I've suspected it for a long time.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:27AM
Bill --
No, you're wrong.
Listen: if there were a way that people could magically appear in downtown DC from anywhere in the country, I'm sure there would have been tens of millions.
I don't underestimate the number of people who share these protester's views and emotions.
I'm sharing what news agencies are reporting and also my own experience of DC.
Consider it this way:
On a workday, about 800,000 people commute into New York City, a city that dwarfs DC in size.
Every bus, every train, every road, every highway is jammed with people to get them into the city.
The idea that 2 million people could have entered DC in a single morning without serious disruptions to the city's functioning is absolutely crazy.
450,000 would have been absolutely HUGE. That number alone would have shut the city down.
In the past, when protests have been half that size it's taken days for people to get into town; there were NO places to stay at night, so tens of thousands spent the night in the parks or simply on the streets. There were no reports of this sort of thing.
The 60-70 thousand figure was the highest estimate I could find.
By the way, ABC also published a story denying claims by organizers that ABC had confirmed a number of 1.5 million, and the organizers retracted that claim.
If anything, the fuzzy math is with the organizers -- which is understandable.
Look folks. Conservatives are new to the world of protests. Take it from me.
A crowd of 50 thousand protesters even would be an ENORMOUS success. To get 50 thousand people to the Capitol would be cause for celebration.
There isn't any need to be wishing it were a half million or -- more crazily -- 2 million, which is just impossible.
You will undercut the credibility of the message by making such wild claims.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:30AM
Conservative --
It's not about an "Obama-loving media."
The disparity between "tens of thousands" and 2 million is so huge that the fact would be noticed.
The idea that the fire department, the park service, the police department, and every news source would collude to diminish the numbers that much -- when there is an internet on which anyone in DC can share their experiences -- is lunacy.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 10:38AM
THE WASHINGTON TIMES -- hardly "Obama loving media" -- is reporting that "thousands of protesters."
FOX NEWS is reporting "tens of thousands" of protesters, and they've removed the story from the "top" of their web page.
I think the reporting in these sources would be just a little different if a half million people had descended on DC yesterday, let alone 2 million.
NOT EVERY FACT THAT CHALLENGES YOUR IDEOLOGICAL FANTASIES IS FALSE, FOLKS.
Curtis Rasmssuen| 9.13.09 @ 11:02AM
Count the number of Liberal Reader=Rolfe posts
There are 8 in a row above, with multiple posts in a row elsewhere. It's like this whack job is talking to himself. He'd probably catch on fire if he ventured outside from his mom's basement.
TROLL HIJACK ALERT!
Don't feed the troll! This horse's ass will never go away until you ensure that he is only talking to himself. All responses to this twisted individual are a waste of time.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.13.09 @ 11:05AM
Folks
Please see my take on Quinn's blog DOJ vs Civil Rights Commission
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 11:43AM
Mr Rasmssuen turns to ad hominem attack when confronted by facts being reported by the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper, and Fox News.
Only the facts that he has decided before hand to accept will satisfy him.
THE TOPIC of this thread is McCain's claim that 450,000 or more people showed up for yesterday's demonstrations in DC.
I contend that this claim is considerably exaggerated and I've offered sources to substantiate my claim and explained my reasoning.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.13.09 @ 12:12PM
Liberal
You gonna' trust me or your lying eyes? HEH!
Look at the pictures, dummy. Picture an NFL football stadium full of people. Call that 50,000
Now look at the pictures all over the web. I would guestimate about ten football stadiums full....in view....an hour before the official start.
Curtis Rasmussen| 9.13.09 @ 12:17PM
46 out of about 95 and counting. Total thread HIJACK.
Don't feed the troll.
ConservativeWanderer | 9.13.09 @ 12:18PM
Hey, Jeremiah (or whatever your nom du jour is today):
Were you this skeptical about the attendance of the Million Man March?
Somehow, I doubt it.
Bill| 9.13.09 @ 12:19PM
The capital was rocked today by a taxpayer march and rally that could be the biggest protest ever – potentially dwarfing the Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally.
Though crowd estimates vary from as low as 60,000 to 70,000 according to ABC News to a high of 2 million by London Daily Mail, photographs and videos of the march and rally demonstrate its enormity.
The taxpayers stormed Washington, D.C., today, taking their fight against excessive spending, bailouts, growth of big government
and soaring deficits to the front door of the U.S. Capitol.
All week citizens have been heading to the Hill by the busloads for the showdown today. The Tea Party Patriots' "Tea Party Express" national bus tour has been hosting a series of tea party rallies all across the nation. A caravan of buses, speakers and entertainers arrived in Washington, D.C., just in time for the march. The taxpayers have paid their own way to the event.
The White House said Friday it was unaware of the rally. President Obama has traveled to Minneapolis, Minn., to promote his health-care plans at a rally there.
But so many taxpayers showed up on Pennsylvania Avenue that the crowd ran out of room and the march was forced to begin early.
It is truly amazing that the government media outlets,(CNN,ABC,NBC,NY Times) all estimate less than half of what international outlets did. Just drawing a comparison .
And, to have the White House say they were unaware of the rally?
That proves they are stupid, criminally ignorant and oblivious to the American citizens they supposedly represent!
Do you think the White House of the 60's and 70's didn't not know of the protests on the mall?
This just shows what Obama thinks of those who dare stand up to him and the rest of his Chicago thugs!
David H| 9.13.09 @ 12:53PM
I bet there was about 100,000 at Obama's inauguration. And remember the disgusting mess they left behind. Good lord, how vile. Of course they have no respect for private property, but they also mucked up the Mall pretty good.
I wonder what sort of damage the Sept 12 marchers left. They probably picked up after themselves. It's about respect.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:03PM
The so-called Million Man March did NOT draw a "million" people to DC, as the media reported at the time.
But by your theory, the media are acting in collusion with liberals, so they should have lied and said it DID attract that number.
As I've said, there COULD have been hundreds of thousands at the protest. It would have been very difficult to "hide" those numbers in news reports.
The idea that there were 2 million just seems very hard to believe.
Where did they all stay last night?
Are you saying 2 million people simply entered and then exited the city in one day?
Are you saying there are hotel rooms for that many people?
It just doesn't sound right to me. I'm very sorry.
AS for the media's alleged attempt to "cover up" the numbers at these rallies:
The media covered NOTHING BUT the tea party rallies on tax day. They were at the top of every news cast for days.
I just don't see a big conspiracy against you in the media.
But victimization is what the White Nationalist movement -- that's you guys, by the way -- is all about.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:05PM
What about Fox News?
What about the Washington Times?
Are they a part of the conspiracy too?
Have they joined with ABC and the DC fire department to report that 70,000 people showed up when in reality TWO MILLION people showed up?
You'd have to be a complete and total fucking IDIOT to believe it.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:10PM
I don't know how many of you people have been to DC, but it's not all that big.
The areas where these protests occured are easily traversible on foot in less than a half hour.
Photographs of crowds in them may be a little deceptive. 50,000 people would look like a very, very large crowd.
100,000 would be a veritable White Nation Woodstock.
BUT REMEMBER MY PROMISE.
If there are substantial, verifiable reports of 100,000 or more demonstrators in DC yesterday, I promise to return tomorrow and EAT CROW.
I will admit my skepticism was ill-founded.
Will McCain do the same? Will you? If it turns out there were FEWER than 100,000?
Interloper| 9.13.09 @ 1:16PM
I'm surprised the Lame Stream Media covered the event at all. I thought they were going to ignore it like all of the other negative news about Obama.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:31PM
Interloper --
Are you kidding?
In April newscasts and papers covered the Tea Parties for days. This summer they covered agitations at town hall meetings. Invariably, they paid attention to town hall meetings where protests happened and IGNORED the many, many meetings where there was thoughtful and mature discussion of policy.
The angry white nationalist movement enjoys much more coverage than the size of its membership deserves, in my opinion.
The protests yesterday dominated the web pages of the Times and the Post and led the evening news last night.
What more do you want?
David H| 9.13.09 @ 1:33PM
In truth, I have no idea how many people showed up. Frankly, I think if 50,000 came it would be pretty impressive.
I live in the DC area (I wouldn't be surprised if many posters here do) but I don't think it gives me any special perspective to ascertain the number of marchers. All I can say is, looking at the photos, it looks like in my opinion that there was at least 100,000 people. Take it fwiw.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:34PM
UPDATE:
GLENN BECK's website claims "tens of thousands" of people marched in DC yesterday.
Beck thus agrees with the Washington Times, Fox News, ABC, the Associated Press, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN that there were numbers in "the tens of thousands" NOT in the hundreds of thousands or -- for heaven's sake -- the MILLIONS.
GLENN BECK agrees with LIBERAL READER!!!
David H| 9.13.09 @ 1:36PM
Good grief, what is the problem with the media covering these legitimate grassroots events?
Don't you remember the massive media attention given to the antiwar rallies, the Million Man and Million Mom Marches and such? Of course, I can also recall also the annual March for Life is consistently relegated to the Metro section of the Washington Post here...
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:41PM
David -- there's NO PROBLEM with the media coverage. I'm just denying people who are claiming that the media do NOT cover these events. The notion is ludicrous.
And remember: the media was QUICK to point out that the Million Man march did NOT attract a million participants. How does this square with the conspiracy theorists who claim the media are reducing the numbers to somehow help Obama?
The fact is multiple news agencies are reporting "tens of thousands" of participants.
If there were anywhere NEAR a half a million, let alone two million, this would be one of the biggest news stories of the year. A two million person demonstration -- if it was physically possible -- would be the largest protest in American history by far. I think people in DC would have noticed and reported on it.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:47PM
UPDATE:
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL is reporting that "tens of thousands" showed up for the protest on Saturday.
They also report a DC fire official who said that as many as "75,000" may have been in attendance.
Not "hundreds of thousands," not "millions."
Tens of thousands.
WSJ agrees with LIBERAL READER!!!
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 1:49PM
ABC, CNN, FOX, the Times, Post, and Washington Times, Glenn Beck himself, and the Associated Press, and the DC fire department all agree on the following:
The numbers were in the "tens of thousands," not the hundreds of thousands.
Again: if I turn out to be wrong, tomorrow I'll return and eat crow.
Will McCain do the same? Will Michelle Malkin, that paragon of journalistic integrity?
Bill| 9.13.09 @ 1:55PM
Numbers here are relative. The fact that you had people of ALL political parties, ALL age groups,ALL ethnicities travel at their own expense from all over the country, in what Obama himself has said are the worst economic times since the depression. Is proof enough that this is no ASTROTURF group of citizens. And, if Obama and the Democrats self delude themselves into that belief, their reality will reach half of them come next November!
Bill| 9.13.09 @ 2:22PM
The last word on numbers.
D.C. police estimates the crowd at 1.2 million. ABC News, however, reported this afternoon that the crowd was estimated at 2 million.
By the way, one of the Patriot’s steet reporters asked one policeman what he thought:
the DC police officer said, “I’ve been here 20 years and this is the largest crowd I’ve ever seen.”
No matter which way you cut it, the size and scope of today’s citizen march on Washington is an historic, groundbreaking event. Ordinary citizens who have been called ‘the great silent majority’ normally do not protest…at least not in public. That day is long gone.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 2:59PM
Bill --
It is absolutely FALSE that the police provided ANY estimate on crowd numbers. They've changed their policy, evidently, and have been refusing to release any crowd estimates.
It is ALSO absolutely FALSE that ABC reported there were 2 million people.
ABC officially complained when protest organizers claimed that ABC had made these reports, and the organizers RETRACTED the claim. This has been WIDELY reported -- including on ABC.
The ONLY official city estimate of crowd numbers has been issued by the fire department. That estimate is of "as many as 75,000."
That is CONSIDERABLY less than the 450,000 claimed by American Spectator and no where NEAR a claim of one or two million.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 3:01PM
There is NO MAJOR news outlet, not one, including FOX, that is reporting more than 75,000 people.
NOT ONE.
The Journal, the Washington Times, Fox News, and Glenn Beck's website are ALL agreeing with the other major news outlets (CNN, ABC, the Times, the Post, the Associated Press) that numbers were in the "tens of thousands."
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 3:04PM
David H above makes a good point (that I had already made).
50,000 people at an event like this is a TREMENDOUS success as these things go. IF -- and I mean IF -- there were as many as 75,000, that would be an absolute cause for celebration for people of your stripe.
There is nothing to be ashamed about in 75,000, that's for damn sure. It is huge.
1.5 million? That strains credulity too far. Even a half million seems very, very unlikely, and again -- no credible news source, including the major conservative outlets -- are reporting more than 75,000.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 3:32PM
To accept McCain's report of 450,000 -- or Malkin's even more irresponsible guess of 2 million -- you would have to accept that the Washington Times, one of the most respected conservative newspapers in the country, and a newspaper BASED in DC, has somehow joined the liberal conspiracy to minimize these numbers.
But not just to minimize the numbers. You would have to accept that they were willing to claim that 2 MILLION people were actually only "tens of thousands," as if such a wild disparity could not easily be falsified.
Like I said: it strains logic and credulity, my friends.
There is no problem celebrating a protest of 75,000. Hell, claim 100,000 if it makes you feel good. But 400,000? 2 million? That's foolishness and not very smart tactically. Fact check websites have lined up dozens of links to news organizations debunking these wild claims, and FOX isn't even going along with them.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 4:09PM
Will the American Spectator issue a retraction of the erroneous claim that 450,000 people attended yesterday's demonstrations in DC?
Will Michelle Malkin issue a retraction of the absolutely bogus and fallacious and fraudulent assertion that 2 million (million!) people attended yesterday's demonstrations?
Nick| 9.13.09 @ 4:38PM
This just in from the NNS, the Nick News Service:
"By 9 A.M. , Sept. 12th, with just a casual look of the D.C. street-cams, our expert, Nick, could calculate with Euclidian geometry the crowds were at 450,000 and rising.
"When they finally reached the Capitol, with the help of C.I.A. spy satellites, the crowd had swollen to an estimated 2 million."
There you have it. Confirmation by a reliable news source. Well? NNS has never lied before!
Nick| 9.13.09 @ 4:49PM
This just in from NNS:
"The final crowd totals are in from yesterdays 9/12 rally in Washington, D.C.
"With the help of N.S.A. super-computers, it can now be confirmed that A CRAPLOAD OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP!!!
"Reports that liberal trolls have spent hours of their pathetic lives, and TENS of thousands of keystrokes, to try to prove a point NOBODY cares about, have been confirmed."
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 5:05PM
If nobody cared, why would Malkin further erode her fragile credibility by claiming 2 million people showed up?
Although, Nick, I'll admit it: your post is pretty funny. I can't stand your politics, but you're all right, I guess.
Interloper| 9.13.09 @ 5:06PM
Troll knows his side is losing the debate; why else would the moron spend so much time arguing about it? Loser.
The clown barely takes a bathroom break.
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 5:56PM
Interloper --
It doesn't change the fact I refuted your point out of hand.
It doesn't answer why the Am. Spec. is publishing false information about the demonstration.
And how is my side losing?
Just because there was an angry crowd of white nationalists chanting that they don't like taxes?
ConservativeWanderer | 9.13.09 @ 7:32PM
Now I know Jeremiah is mentally unhinged.
Would any sane person spend so much time talking to himself online?
Interloper| 9.13.09 @ 7:34PM
Your Obummer's numbers are in the tank and the chorus of voices opposing his Marxist policies is rising.
Our nascent opposition movement is only going to grow louder and become stronger. We don't give a damn how many times the frigid, thin lipped b!tch Maureen Dowd screeches racism. Screw all of you.
Ignore these warnings at your own peril, libtard.
S.L. Toddard| 9.13.09 @ 8:19PM
"Dream on Liberal Reader - The estimates now are 2 MILLION MARCHERS. See michellemalkin.com."
Pffffhahahahaha
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 8:25PM
At my own peril, Interloper?
You're threatening someone in an anonymous online thread?
What are you? A total dipshit?
Liberal Reader| 9.13.09 @ 8:27PM
The white nationalist movement to which you refer is blessedly small, which I've been demonstrating on this thread. It's proto-fascist nastiness, and the violent menace accompanying it, really is not as much of a threat to civil society as people like you imagine and hope.
S.L. Toddard| 9.13.09 @ 8:29PM
"There is no problem celebrating a protest of 75,000. Hell, claim 100,000 if it makes you feel good. But 400,000? 2 million? That's foolishness and not very smart tactically. Fact check websites have lined up dozens of links to news organizations debunking these wild claims, and FOX isn't even going along with them."
LR - you don't understand. If Michelle "Anchor Baby" Maglalang says ten million people showed up to Take Back Their Freedom from ACORN or whomever, that makes the Fox News Right feel happy. If other news services or municipal or state entities reach a much lower estimate, that makes the Fox News Right unhappy, which is in and of itself proof to the Fox News Right that it is a malicious Liberal Lie. To the Fox News Right there is no such thing as an unpleasant truth. If a truth is unpleasant, they chalk it up to the Liberal Media and disbelieve and discard it out of hand. So there is no need to fact-check for them: Michelle Maglalan said it and it made them feel happy, so it is true. Those lower estimates make them unhappy, ergo they are obviously some ACORN-spawned Kenyan plot to dishearten true Patriotic lovers of small, fiscally responsible Constitutional government and George Bush.
Remember - these are people who still believe that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda had a close operational relationship. I'm not kidding.
No Trolls| 9.14.09 @ 12:11PM
LibReader is busy trying to set up an underage-slave pimp-ho operation at his local ACORN office: Like the good little fascist liberal liar he is.
Nick| 9.14.09 @ 3:22PM
Hey Marxist Reader, why did you stop commenting on the "Bad Time to be a Liberal" thread?
ConservativeWanderer | 9.14.09 @ 3:50PM
Gentlemen, if you want a good, at least somewhat scientific count based on news coverage of past DC events (actually two counts, the second uses established news media estimating figures), check out the article linked below.
http://www.gormogons.com/2009/.....2-tea.html
I don't usually offer this invite (don't wanna upset the nice folks that bring us AmSpec), but if this thread is getting too cluttered for you folks, I'll be posting about this on my own humble blog in the next few minutes. I promise the trolls (you know who you are) will be kept under more control than they are here.
NoTrolls| 9.14.09 @ 4:06PM
Spam, too please.
Sandi Wheatley| 9.15.09 @ 4:31PM
I was there and the info in this blog makes sense to me. While I have absolutely NO experience with rallies - I did some little quick areas counts & tried plugging them in. What I came up with was somewhere around 750,000 in all by late afternoon. The crowd did definitely swell around noon to 2pm. I walked around as best I could. The bank of porta-pots directly in front of Capitol held lines containing about 575 people - several of us counted. I understand there was another bank of them somewhere. When I started hearing 'in the thousands' it cracked me up.
Never been to this website before - you sure have your share of potty-mouth libs! Have a good day.
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