The American Spectator

wbfrank| 9.10.09 @ 11:01AM

why is Arlen Specter relevant??
Who gives a ---blank---??

Gene| 9.10.09 @ 11:16AM

spector is and always has been as sickening as a t.rd in a wedding punch bowl.

Tim| 9.10.09 @ 11:18AM

Hard hardball is at it again.

BJ| 9.10.09 @ 11:28AM

YES--censure him, this type of vitriole is inexcusable and must stop! Wilson is a disgrace to the U.S. Congress. SC voters should oust him in 2010--donations to his Democratic opponent, Rob Miller, have exceeded $100,000 and climbing since the childish outburst.

Mike| 9.10.09 @ 11:35AM

Well I believe Joe Wilson done what a lot of people were thinking in their minds....I think there should be more challenges to Obama instead of our senators and represenatives setting around like a knot on a log......You know what they say...If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything......

Alessandra| 9.10.09 @ 11:43AM

It's okay that Reid called Bush a liar because Bush IS a liar.
Obama isn't and the situation was completely uncalled for.
Get over yourselves.

JP| 9.10.09 @ 11:46AM

Joe Wilson should be censored. But after Reid and Durbin are censored in the Senate, and Murtha and Pelosi are censored in the House.

nancy| 9.10.09 @ 11:46AM

Wilson should be impeached and forcibly removed from the Congress. His apology, which only came after he was denounced by U.S. Senator and former Republican presidential candidate John McCain and other members of his party.
END OF STORY

Dan| 9.10.09 @ 11:50AM

You can't be serious. Reid did not call Bush a liar during a speech before Congress. There are rules in that chamber and what Wilson did was disgusting.

Mary | 9.10.09 @ 11:53AM

While Joe Wilson's behavior was deplorable, Eric Cantor's excessive texting was only slightly less deplorable. Cantor should be censured as well.

Claire| 9.10.09 @ 11:54AM

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254

Conservatives need to do some reading and listening.

Jason| 9.10.09 @ 11:54AM

Perhaps the President should be grateful for this childish outburst. What Wilson did was reveal just what the right-wing Republicans are these days - a bunch of classless twits.

Susan| 9.10.09 @ 11:55AM

I disagree with the way Rep. Wilson handled himself, but adamantly agree with his sentiment. I have to give him some kudos for actually feeling so strongly about the healthcare issue. He was certainly more passionate about his ideas on the issue than our dear President is. We'll see the outcome when we attempt to go to the ER and it looks like a La Hacienda.

Jzak| 9.10.09 @ 11:56AM

The only truth to come out of this Obama's speech; was that Joe Wilson celled Obama for what he is A LIAR! His Health Care Plan is like a Big Tuna Fish, leave it out there in the sun long enough and it will begin to rot and smell. And that's that the people saw, and found out - the true of Obama's stink plan.

People were shocked to hear Joe Wilson call Obama a LIAR... However; that is the least Rep. Joe Wilson could have said, on behalf of his constituents. Should Mr. Obama have been at an Un-rigged Town Hall Meeting he would have been received with other words that you wouldn't find dictionaries. What Joe Wilson said was from WE THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE. And not from WE THE CONGRESS...

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Josh| 9.10.09 @ 11:57AM

Wilson's comment, no matter how passionate, was undeserving in such a venue. He should have had the guts to speak to Obama in person and call him a liar and discuss the issue like real men.

Too many Republicans are watching Glenn Beck and are jumping on the Fear wagon because their last candidate in the White House was a complete scum bag and killed 3 TIMES as many Americans as were killed in the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks.

The anger towards Obama needs to cease. Bring an open mind to the table, and lets change this damn country around. People need healthcare. Stop being so self involved, and start thinking more social justice. Never will congress, even democrats allow this country to become Communist. So, get off the Glenn Beck crazy wagon. I don't see any sickle and hammer flags being mandated by our government yet, so I would say that we are ok!

Go to bed tonight, wake up tomorrow with a smile on your face knowing you ARE still free, and start making a change and difference in this world. Fight for what you believe is right, but dont be bast*rds about it!

Alexandra| 9.10.09 @ 11:57AM

The public display of deliberate disrespect for the President of the United States during a televised address before Congress -- regardless of who that President is -- is not acceptable. Joe Wilson should be censured. And, the fact is, the people of South Carolina surely deserve better representation than some ill-bred neanderthal who clearly is ignorant of the rules of conduct for the job for which he was elected.

Bill| 9.10.09 @ 11:58AM

Wilson's outburst was infantile and beneath the dignity of the event. He should be ashamed. And it is this very kind of inability to use dispassionate analysis and honestly debate issues which has driven me, a life-long Republican, from the party. I remember not that long ago when it was conservatives who were the adults, and the liberals who were the reactionary radicals. Grow up, GOP, or continue to see your relevance shrink!

Bridget Yankoitz| 9.10.09 @ 11:59AM

The Democrats are hypocrites!. When Bush was making his speeches a few Democrats made hissing or disrespectng noises. Joe Wilson is right on about Obama lieing or not speak all truths. Illegal's can get healthcare on tax payers exspense, they have been doing it for along time. Given false addresses and not paying their bills and the poor hospitals and tax payers flipping the bill for it. If the president was a man of honor why don't he start out by telling the real truth if he really calls for CHANGE. These illegals have no right to demand benefits. They don't belong in this country and have broken to many of our laws. I am also against amnesty and don't agree with the Presidents views on how America should be. Just look at all the (Szars) and radicals the president associates with. There's ????? of the corruption and greed in our government. People are outraged of the high deficit, enormous spending, pork, lobbyist that Obama stated he will not have and he lied about that. This is not the change we the people wanted, to me its the same old garbage.!!!!!!

David| 9.10.09 @ 12:01PM

I'm on the left, and I'm not afraid of the American Spectator. Who needs to be afraid of views that are typically based on lies designed to obfuscate for their corporate masters? Lies are easily dispelled. Witness the Republican a**hole, Joe Wilson, who lied when he called President Obama a liar. Plays well to the idiots who "done" watched the speech and agreed with Wilson, despite the obvious fallacy in his racist comment. Section 246 is an entire section specifically eliminating "illegals" from any kind of federal compensation. Joe Wilson is a liar. The Republican Party is a party of liars, adulterers, charlatans, and child molesters.

Dawn| 9.10.09 @ 12:01PM

About time a Rep of the people did what the people want. These people are not royality-but public servants, and Obama is to listen to the people, which he isnt. Wilson only did what millions of people wish Obama would realize-READ the bill, it isnt about Repubs or Dems, but the Bill is flawed in so many ways it needs a complete overhaul. As for McCain, he will say anything that is popular at the moment.

Chris| 9.10.09 @ 12:02PM

There's a huge difference between Reid calling Bush a liar in an interview, and Wilson heckling Obama during his address to Congress. The comparison is just silly.

Beyond that, Wilson is an intelligent guy, he knows that the health care draft currently specifically prohibits insuring illegal immigrants.
It's in there for everyone, including Wilson, to read. His heckle was ignorant, and his behavior unacceptable.

It reminded me of Hillary Clinton rolling her eyes when Bush spoke, with the added disruption of shouting like a lunatic in the middle of an address to Congress.

Bill| 9.10.09 @ 12:02PM

Inexcusable. What has happened to this country when a US Congressman would insult the President of the United States in a national televised address to a joint session of Congress.

Kitty| 9.10.09 @ 12:02PM

It's about time someone called O what he is -- a liar. To show my appreciation, I donated $10 to Wilson.

https://www.completecampaigns.com/public.asp?name=Wilson&page=2

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Desmond| 9.10.09 @ 12:03PM

It is one thing to make coolaid. It is quite another to beleive your own coolaid. How sad. He actually believes that the bill gives something to illegal immigrants. "Yes illegal immigrants will be on Medicare due to this reform... and the earth is 5000 years old, in the center of the univers and flat." How sad, make up crap and beleive it as fact.

Patriot| 9.10.09 @ 12:03PM

Censure THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

Weasels, all.

Johnno| 9.10.09 @ 12:04PM

HuffPo turds make another appearance. Go away, losers.

David| 9.10.09 @ 12:05PM

Why is it that every right wing nut job that comments on any board anywhere can't spell? Their illiteracy manifests itself in their ill-formed opinions. If you can't spell, use spell check, idiots.

bill| 9.10.09 @ 12:05PM

The worthless Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid comedy team should be censured or worse.

jwidner| 9.10.09 @ 12:06PM

What tends to be lost in this is the disrespect Wilson showed both for the office of the Presidency and Congress by expressing such comments at that time. I wouldn't have cared if he said it to the press afterwards, but what this country is losing is any sense of respect for leaders and office and is setting poor examples for both children and our young people. Witness the outrage over Obama's speech to school children. To react the way parents and some educators did rather than reading the pre-release of the speech, they demonstrated to children that it is ok to accuse the "President" of having hidden agenda toward them.

Wilson should be censured, quite honestly. If I stood in Congress when Cheney sat in the Senate and yellled " Your a Dick". People would have been outraged. Even if I disagreed with him, I have enough sense to have had respect for his position as VP.

to| 9.10.09 @ 12:06PM

What happened to telling the truth? So Rep. Joe Wilson is not a suck up. I am proud that he stood up and said what tons of people are thinking.

bill| 9.10.09 @ 12:07PM

David, as far as illiteracy among right wingers, you are dead wrong. Illiteracy is rampant among ALL wingers. But it must be hard to see with those rose colored glasses.

jonna| 9.10.09 @ 12:08PM

wilson's outburst was the only interesting thing that happened during an overlong and bombastic bunch of bloviating. i don't think obama lies, i think he doesn't care one way or another with regards to what goes into a health care reform bill as long as it brings about the deconstruction of this nation.

Brett| 9.10.09 @ 12:08PM

So, the magic bullet man is upset?
Much evil has been allowed to grow through the timidity of good men. Thank you, Joe Wilson. Please withdraw your apology.

tom| 9.10.09 @ 12:09PM

hahahaha, hey David, are you paying attention to the illiteracy of jwidner, who's a left winger? That's what I thought. Selective vision.

GWittrig| 9.10.09 @ 12:09PM

I am ashamed of my Party and the depths to which it has sunk. I was shocked by the outburst, and am shocked by its defenders. A very sad day in Republican Party History....

Don A Patriot| 9.10.09 @ 12:10PM

Censure THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

From: "Don Subject: Fw: Israeli Psychologists' veiw on Obama
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:58 AM

Subject: Fwd: Israeli Psychologists' veiw on Obama

Israeli Psychologists' View on Obama

Israeli Psychologists' view on Obama
Be sure to read all the way to the end.
The Writer googled this man and did some reading about him.
He is for real. Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist.
Interesting view on our new president.

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Dr Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.
('narcissism' a noun. exaggerated self-admiration; exaggerated self-love)
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Dr. Vaknin States, "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects." Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the "Malignant Self Love" believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture anddemeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves.

Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of 'People's Temple', the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal(white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995.

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality.

His admirers become his co-dependents Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it.. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book "Dreams from My Father".. Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin.

For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless as the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America . The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent..

It is this disguise that makes them treacherous..

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castroists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction.

There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

When the people fear the government - that is tyranny.
When the government fear the people - that is liberty..
. . . Thomas Jefferson

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futt bucker| 9.10.09 @ 12:10PM

jwidner, it's so funny you bring up disrespect for the office of the POTUS. Funny you didn't have that philosophy when Bush was POTUS. But that's how you libturds are. No surprise.

DonA| 9.10.09 @ 12:10PM

It would seem that this is typical childish behavior of unscrupulous Politicians.
Let’s see, does the following sound responsible or reasonable?
“You lie” “Daddy I thing he is lying”” not here son, this is not the time are place!!!
I guess Mr. Wilson just forgot the manners that was taught to him when he was a child or he is losing his mind, ether way, at this time, I would not consider him a good representative of us the people, but if you are one who is easily exploited then his must be your hero. After all that’s what Republican do best exploit any and everything!!!!

John Sr.| 9.10.09 @ 12:11PM

The Emperor has no clothes and Joe Wilson is the only person with the guts to point it out.

Zach| 9.10.09 @ 12:12PM

You cannot do that sort of thing. When the President speaks, you shut your mouth. Even if you don't agree with what he says, which Wilson obviously doesn't, you respect the commander-in-chief. I guarantee that if a Democrat had done this with Bush, every Republican would be calling for his censure.

gigglebutt from Brownwood| 9.10.09 @ 12:13PM

your democrts are a bunhc of loosers

Stexas| 9.10.09 @ 12:13PM

Rep. Joe Wilson showed that he is low class. Majority of republicans who may not have agreed with the President's speech at least showed some dignity and respect.

Mark Jerome| 9.10.09 @ 12:13PM

If you can't discern the distinct difference between Joe Wilson's outburst during a joint session of Congress and Reid's comments during an interview, then you probably should give up political commentary altogether.

yuck fu| 9.10.09 @ 12:14PM

Zach, so you make guarantees so easily? Perfect hindsight eh? hahahaha

GA| 9.10.09 @ 12:14PM

No reasonable person would argue that Joe Wilson does not have the right to call Obama a liar if he wants to. Many GOPers did before and after the speech. It's the fact that he did it yelling and screaming within the Congressional chamber DURING the address. THAT is the point. If you don't get this, you are crazy and unreasonable. No way around it.

fjklad| 9.10.09 @ 12:16PM

Obama, the first mulatto president, deserves no more respect than anyone else. Too many hypocrites here.

Ariana| 9.10.09 @ 12:16PM

Mr Wilson I would like to shake your hand sir. Thank you for being the ONLY one of your party to stand up to the President. Shame on all the other members of congress for not standing up beside you and shouting, "You lie!" as well. Thank you for being the voice of millions of us at home yelling "You lie!" to our televisions. America needs more people like you in Congress, unafraid and honest. Only one request, next time stand firm and do NOT apologize for pointing out the TRUTH.

dweezilbug| 9.10.09 @ 12:17PM

Obama is an empty suit.

American Patriot| 9.10.09 @ 12:18PM

Shame on Rep. Joe Wilson. If you let his kind of folks to represent us, it's like inviting Talibans to our country. They both think alike and act alike. God save U.S.A.

Zach| 9.10.09 @ 12:18PM

Um, Reid did it in an INTERVIEW, Wilson stood up during Obama's speech and shouted at him.

If Reid had stood up during a SOTU address and shouted "You're a liar!!" at Bush, the right would have called for him to be hung in the town square.

PADDY| 9.10.09 @ 12:18PM

Wow, this blog reminds me of retard shopping day at Wally World.

Lee| 9.10.09 @ 12:18PM

Were there any outbursts when we were told we were going to war over WMD's that were never found. That lie will live long after the healthcare issue. Many of our hero's and their families are reminded of it everyday. This mentality made me join the scores of conservatives that left the party when it became evident that they crossed the line from compassion to extremism.

Maria Majerk| 9.10.09 @ 12:18PM

So Joe Wilson made an apology. A very weak one at that, and not at all sincere. It was done to help save face because of public outrage. He never said he was wrong, just that his comments were" inappropriate".
How about rude? Disrespectful?
Didn't your momma teach you about manners?

Angela| 9.10.09 @ 12:19PM

Hurray for Rep. Joe Wilson!! I didn’t know or ever heard of him until last night.
I've been trying to go onto his website to donate money to his re-election campaign but is not accessible to high traffic, I will keep trying and donate. Many of my friends here in Colorado will be donating to Rep. Joe Wilson campaign too, only due to his courage, for saying what many of us been wanting to say to President Obama.
I wish more Republicans, Independents, Conservatives and Moderates do the same!

RedDevil| 9.10.09 @ 12:19PM

Well...

If you irritate a flip-flopping camelion lizard like Specter, ...you're doing something right.

The truth is uncomfortable A, ...now you know what it looks like, ...get used to it.

rob miller| 9.10.09 @ 12:19PM

John Sr. said it right. Someone needs to stand up and tell the emperor he has not clothes. He's totally insulated from the world. Good Dem tactic, shut-up all decent. He doesn't hold real town hall meetings. I love how dems are all up in arms over protocol. Obama gets to demand the bully pulpit on all the networks, but no one's allowed to disagree, just stand up and clap. If Obama isn't lying, why won't they put plain language in the bill requiring proof of citizenship.

I'm starting a Joe Wilson fan club!

whocares| 9.10.09 @ 12:19PM

Zach is today's Harry Reid apologist.

Hans Genheimer| 9.10.09 @ 12:23PM

I wish all Republican and Blue Dogs cowards who are against Obama and his attempt to strengthen Americas broken Health Care System would get terminal cancer so they can see just how good their own insurance is.

ed| 9.10.09 @ 12:23PM

In reference to last sentence in the above article- it was more the the time and place of the comment that was the problem. People call presidents liars all the time and nothing much is made of it, but what rep. Wilson did was not only call out "you lie", but disrespect the room and ALL of the people in it. It was childish and disgusting. Harry Reid called Bush a liar, but he id not yell it out during a speech on the floor of the house. Do you not see the difference you pathetic idiots? You are just a bunch of aging racists who can't stand that the world is changing around you while you stubbornly stand still. Please, all of you, move to Texas. Hopefully those idiots will really secede and the rest of us can build a wall to keep you all out, and then you will be BEGGING for all federal help. And the rest of us will laugh and laugh and talk about you on AM radio the way you have been talking about illegal immigrants forever. And stop throwing around all this nazi and socialist crap. You know it isn't true.

Michael| 9.10.09 @ 12:24PM

Philip, calling the President a "Liar" outside of a speech is different than during the middle of the speech. It's just simple decorum, something rightwingers would never understand as they don't have one.

whocares| 9.10.09 @ 12:24PM

Hans Genheimer, a German who still has a swastika proudly displayed in his closet.

Mavis| 9.10.09 @ 12:24PM

How sad. Joe Wilson is this weeks Joe the Plummer. Joe Wilson is fighting a straw man he created. Don't worry Joe the illegal immigation battle will get here. This is not it though.

Hope this disrespect wins republicans more seats in congress.. God help them... They need help...

N. Del Giudice| 9.10.09 @ 12:24PM

Rep. Joe Wilson told the truth. Finally someone stood up called the Presidential imposter what he really is a liar and dangerous radical who hates this Country.

The Republican Party should take the initiative and call out these gangsters that the imposter has invited into the administration and who also want to destroy America.

EJ| 9.10.09 @ 12:25PM

It is sad to hear a person of our government call our president a liar on TV in front of world. No matter what political party or point of view, that was just wrong. We are the greatest country in the world, shouldn't our government leaders be as respectful to our own as we would be to others of the world? Wilson please grow up!!!!!

joewilson| 9.10.09 @ 12:26PM

Harry Reid did his namecalling the backstabber way. Wilson had the guts to say it to his face.

Shameful| 9.10.09 @ 12:26PM

I don't understand the relevance of Harry Reid calling Bush a liar. The issue here is NOT what Joe Wilson said, it's WHEN HE SAID IT! He could have yelled out 'Obama is better than Santa Claus!,' it wouldn't deflect from the fact that he is yelling out at the president in the middle of a congressional address. If you think this behavior is tolerable I suggest you try yelling at your boss today directly in the middle of an important meeting and see if you still have a job tomorrow.

Frances Mielach| 9.10.09 @ 12:26PM

I just sent Joe Wilson a contribution. Good for him! Obama is a liar on all sorts of issues. Wake up! Harry Reid called President Bush a liar, and refused to apologize.

Angela| 9.10.09 @ 12:27PM

Ed, you idiot!
The State of Texas contributes more to the Federal Government than it receives from it.
That is a FACT!

Taylor| 9.10.09 @ 12:27PM

"Reid did not call Bush a liar during a speech before Congress."

EXACTLY.

Maria| 9.10.09 @ 12:29PM

All I can say.. is go JOE!!!! About time someone stands up for WE THE PEOPLE!

HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN| 9.10.09 @ 12:30PM

Mr. Obama first used the word "LIAR". The speech wasn't to clarify points but to put down anyone who opposed his views. Obama called people who read the Bill and still have legitimate gripes "liars" because they look beyond his words and see the power he is giving the government and taking away from the doctors and patients. If you feel "liar" was not in the decorum of the occasion perhaps he should have just "boo'd" like the Dems did when Pres. Bush was giving one of His State of the Union Addresses.

DA| 9.10.09 @ 12:32PM

How about censure and expulsion for Barney Frank, who broke House rules by stopping another Representative who had the floor and illegally stopped the debate?

SL| 9.10.09 @ 12:32PM

Way to go, Joe Wilson. Obama is lying. I honestly wish that Wilson had not apologized, but I'm happy that he's standing behind his comments. Stay strong, Joe Wilson. Conservatives everywhere support you.

hahaha| 9.10.09 @ 12:32PM

HAHAHA! So many Harry Reid fans here!

Dan Loeb| 9.10.09 @ 12:33PM

Reid pointed out that Bush was lying but he did not interrupt Bush during an address to Congress to do so. Speaking out of turn in Congress and using unparliamentary language is in and of itself a violation of Congressional rules of order.

PS: Section 246 of the bill denies coverage to undocumented aliens, so Obama was right and Wilson was wrong.

Chuck Barton| 9.10.09 @ 12:33PM

Joe Wilson has done more to further health care reform in this country than any speech or town hall. Thank you Joe Wilson...As well, the rest of the disrespectful folks sitting there pouting, texting, waving booklets will be responsible for destroying the GOP. Their usefulness as a second party is over and they will be the ones to blame.
It will be interesting to see which party takes their place. And really folks we need this health care reform. Don't be blind. You will be happy when you are part of the program.

DA| 9.10.09 @ 12:36PM

Angela,

And Texas produces lots and lots and lots .... of gasoline needed by the rest of the USA.

Hans Genheimer| 9.10.09 @ 12:36PM

Angela....why don't you produce your green card? If you can't Please exit this country. Illegal aliens are not welcome

SamC| 9.10.09 @ 12:36PM

I love all the public outcry over someone verbally challenging the president. People say things like "You can;t do that to the president" or "You have to show him respect". Is he the King of the United States now?

Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew someone would be censured for publicly voicing their opinion against a political foe.

Lena| 9.10.09 @ 12:36PM

The fact that McCain asked Joe Wilson to apologize tells me it is time for him to gooooo. Also, it is just a matter of time when Specter will be out of office. Joe Wilson spoke for me last night. The President is a Liar that puts his radical friends first before his Country. Now, Obama's ACORN is in the news, and they are in hot hot water. It is just a matter of time when all of the American haters will be exposed and we will prevail. Democrats and Republicans, lets unite and clean up Washington. God Bless America!

shutup| 9.10.09 @ 12:38PM

Obama is not a real POTUS. He's just faking his way through it.

Matt| 9.10.09 @ 12:38PM

I will make a monthly contribution to the Miller campaign until the election. $5-10 per month. Imagine if 10,000 others do the same.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 12:38PM

As a life long Democrat, I'm ashamed of the President's perpetual lies and deceit. I applaud Joe Wilson for expressing the sentiment so many of us were feeling while we were watching the President's speech. Wilson was spot on. Good show Joe!

Angela| 9.10.09 @ 12:40PM

Hans, now you're the idiot!
The only "green card" I ever had was my green American Express, which is now Gold!
Born and raised in Colorado, USA!!

Ed| 9.10.09 @ 12:40PM

Some of you may think the remark wasn't politically correct , but some of us say what goes around comes around. You think it's okay for THE DEAR LEADER to call republicans and american citizens a liar, but we should not express the truth about him. Get real.

Hans Genheimer| 9.10.09 @ 12:42PM

"Maria" - we the people kicked the dog crap out of you racist Republicans in 2006 and 2008 ..I expect the Peoples Party the Democratic Party to pick up more seats in 2010.

Maria sounds like a Mexican name are you too an Illegal Alien or can you produce a green card.

Hans Genheimer| 9.10.09 @ 12:42PM

"Maria" - we the people kicked the dog crap out of you racist Republicans in 2006 and 2008 ..I expect the Peoples Party the Democratic Party to pick up more seats in 2010.

Maria sounds like a Mexican name are you too an Illegal Alien or can you produce a green card.

Daniel| 9.10.09 @ 12:43PM

Let's clear up a few things. Number one Reid to didn't interrupt Bush during a speech to call him a liar. Secondly, it has been proven time and time again that Bush is a liar. Furthermore, it is these tactics that have obfuscated the truth from his and other like minded partisan politicans constiuents. People, who would rather have the status quo of waste health care spending and the insurance and pharmaceutical companies continue to get rich while millions of people go into bankruptcy, have their life shortened or die because they cannot afford proper health care. Ironically, it is these very politicans and interested parties that many people loyally follow and at the same time are the people who cannot afford health care or pay the bills. Don't let fear and meaningless rhetoric obfuscate the truth that all Americans deserve affordable and adequate health care. No one should have to die and or go broke because they cannot afford proper health care. The pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and the politicans that support them need to realize their greed is what caused this massive recession and that unfettered greed that is allowed by our government will destroy everybody. People like Joe Wilson need to have a little more empathy for the people he supposedly represents and respect for the office he was elected to hold.

Hans Genheimer| 9.10.09 @ 12:43PM

"Maria" - we the people kicked the dog crap out of you racist Republicans in 2006 and 2008 ..I expect the Peoples Party the Democratic Party to pick up more seats in 2010.

Maria sounds like a Mexican name are you too an Illegal Alien or can you produce a green card.

Far Right| 9.10.09 @ 12:44PM

You do need to give him credit for being more articulate than most on the right. He was able to put a noun and a verb together to make a sentance, even if factually incorrect. About as articulate as a barking dog.

Lz| 9.10.09 @ 12:46PM

Thank you Joe. When Health Care Reform passes you are going to looked upon as the straw that broke the camel. You have shown the idiot fringe of the Republican Party for what they are: stupid nonothing disrespectful mob idiots.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 12:46PM

Thank-You Joe Wilson for calling Obama a liar. That he is. Illegals will be covered. They will not have to pay the health care plan tax nor will they be fined for not having health care. They will be treated anytime at an emergency room and we will pay for it. On July 30th the Dems voted down a bill by Rep. Nathan Deal that would require health care providers to use a verification program for health care services Their identity as to their legal status will not be questioned as it would be in other countries or in their own country. So by voting this down Democrats know very well illegals will be covered. LIARS! Debate Obama on this. Let's bring this issue to the forefront. Thanks, Joe Wilson!

ben| 9.10.09 @ 12:47PM

Are you people Kidding?

Censure someone for calling a lying president a liar? What the hell are you thinking. If this were the case, most the Liberal Nut jobs in congress would have been censured during the last administration.

I didn't hear about censure when the socialist democrats booed President Bush during the inaugural speech.

OK, let’s Censure Wilson. Then let’s do what we are supposed to do and Impeach those officials who have blatantly broke the law. Once those three quarters are gone, we can elect some actual public servants.

By the way; Joe Wilson would still be there, censure and all...

John C.| 9.10.09 @ 12:47PM

I have met Joe Wilson and he is a thoughtful person who cares deeply about his constituents.

I believe he had a momentary lapse of judgment, for which he has apologized.

The reason Mr. Wilson was so passionate about this issue is he was one of the authors of a Bill to specifically exclude illegal immigrants from being covered by the proposed public option, and the Democrats roundly defeated his bill.

Whether or not the proposed legislation will cover illegal immigrants is unclear at best, so if the Bill has no hidden agenda to cover illegals, then why was Mr Wilson's Bill defeated??

Perhaps he should have shouted "Not True" instead...

hans| 9.10.09 @ 12:48PM

Angela - your are a liar you are as illegal and bad for society as cocaine

ben| 9.10.09 @ 12:48PM

Oh yeah,

Thank you Joe Wilson.

Paulette| 9.10.09 @ 12:50PM

Let’s look back at the lively, outspoken, argumentative, name-calling Continental Congress who defended the liberties of the citizenry and even dared to commit an act of treason by signing the Declaration of Independence to set us at odds with our leaders. Where are those brave, honest representatives today? Where are the men willing to face censure to speak the truth? The emperor was not wearing a birthday suit or lipstick last night, and ONLY ONE lively, outspoken, argumentative, name-calling representative was brave enough to point out the truth. Censure Joe Wilson? By all means we should be polite as we hand over our liberties! God forbid we look like radicals! Seriously?

Far Right| 9.10.09 @ 12:51PM

Karen- That is how it works now- anyone without insurance goes to an emergency room and gets medical care- so we all cover it. Legal or illegal immigrant, citizen or not. Legally, no one can be turned away from the ER. So under the current exisiting health care system, illegals are covered in that way- no one pays so we all pay. It would not change under Obama. Know your facts before you start throwing around liars and praising falsehoods.

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 12:56PM

MAYBE JOE WILSON IS THAT GREAT WHITE HOPE THE REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT. GOOD CHOICE SPREAD THE IGNORANCE LET ALL AMERICA SEE JUST HOW STUPID YOU PEOPLE ARE

hans is an idiot| 9.10.09 @ 12:57PM

Wow. Hans can't come up with another original comedy line so he keeps repeating the same post.
What a loser.

piliki5| 9.10.09 @ 12:58PM

I think that he should be banned from attending anymore of President Obama's speeches, there needs to be an example set that our President should be given the respect that he deserves. Who does that, kids even know when to talk and when to shut up!

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:01PM

I say..let him stew in his juices and let the far right continue to praise him publicly! They are taking the general public's perception of the Republican party so far out to the right that they will spend decades trying to rebuild thier base!

Matt| 9.10.09 @ 1:02PM

I used to talk to Tony Snow often on his radio show. We never agreed, but Tony was a fine man that loved his family and this country. When I complained about the Democrats in the house and senate getting run over he said, "Well Matt, start winning some elections, and you won't get run over any more." I now offer the same advice to the GOP.

Jhonay| 9.10.09 @ 1:05PM

Joe Wilson, if we need any more s*** from you, we'll squeeze your head. Just like the rest of you conservaturds.

A Galvao| 9.10.09 @ 1:07PM

Rep. Wilson is a kind of person that I'd like to keep in my rind forever: just to remember how stupid people could be...

Deborah D| 9.10.09 @ 1:07PM

Perhaps Specter should call for a censure of President Obama to discourage Obama's conduct in a joint session of Congress. His conduct? Lying through his teeth to Congress and the American people -- which caused many Americans to yell at their television sets -- "You Lie." We out here have a lot more sympathy for Congressman Wilson than for Obama.

Patriot| 9.10.09 @ 1:08PM

Joe Wilson told the truth. I donated big bucks to his campaign to thank him for his courage.

After 8 years of BUSHITLER libtards can screw themselves! Go Wilson!!

ariel galvao| 9.10.09 @ 1:08PM

"mind"

truth| 9.10.09 @ 1:09PM

Jhonay, thanks for showing the democrats true colors with your childish names.

Matt| 9.10.09 @ 1:11PM

@($& this! I'm going to the golf course!

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:12PM

Yes ARIEL GALVAO, a "mind" is a terrible thing to waste as you've well represented in here today.

futt bucker| 9.10.09 @ 1:13PM

Karen, do you shave your beaver?

a galvao| 9.10.09 @ 1:14PM

One thing that I love in a democracy is a "free speech". People can tell any s*, no Deborah & "Patr i(di)ot?

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:14PM

FUTTBUCKER ... is that you Barney Frank?

futt bucker| 9.10.09 @ 1:15PM

Yes, me and Barney get a lot of politicking done under the covers!

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:17PM

Yes- you are correct. I had my facts wrong. Obama would not cover illegal immigrants in his health care plan. Ooops.

GLORIA WILSON| 9.10.09 @ 1:17PM

I can't believe that there are people out there that actually believe that this type of nationally advertised disrepect was ok!!! There's nothing wrong with disagreeing or being a litttle angry or upset or passionate about something..but this was just totally disrepectful to OUR PRESIDENT!!! ON NATIONAL TV!!! This was on all over the world.. If we can't respect our own here..then who will respect the US as a whole in the international world??? How can being disrepectful get a handclap??? Yes, I'm sure many people disagree with the President, but have we no class?? no couth??? no comon sense?? and oh yes..about just some down home manners???? Is this what we want to teach our children??? I didn't care for any of the Bushes' propaganda, but I would never have disrepected Bush(son or father) in that manner!!! My mother would have walked up behind and slapped me silly??? Oh, then that would have been child abuse!!! Come on people, have we really become some type of uncouth ignoramus that feels that anything, anyday, anyway is ok??? There is a certain amount of decorum and respect assumed when ever one addresses the President.. Am I to aussume that if you don't agree with someone, then you can disprect them??? President or not???? My God,,what does this say to our children???? Oh..no.. I wrote the word God!!!! 50 lashes for me!!!!

Terry| 9.10.09 @ 1:18PM

We have reached a point in the evolution of humanity. The switch from a physical to metal humankind. This is the end of the world as some know it! If you disagree with aspects of the Presidents proposal, do as he suggests, offer improvements to be incorporated in the overall betterment. He's asked for input continuously, has gotten some, but has gotten a lot of childish, ignorant responses from the right and some of the left. The Republican party is dead, they are fast becoming a party of degenerates, traitors, illiterates and undesirables. It's unfortunate when as a human you lose the ability to communicate with a modicum of civility and digress to the existence of a beast. I feel sorry for the Republicans that really have ideas for progressing the Republic and are being overshadowed by these mongrels.

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 1:18PM

DEBRA -D OUT WHERE IN DUMB ASS PALIN LAND. YOU RETARDED MORON

gloria wilson the apologist| 9.10.09 @ 1:19PM

Gloria, it's funny you had no comments on disrespect toward the POTUS for the past 8 years. Suddenly it's just not ok?

Deborah D| 9.10.09 @ 1:21PM

Is that all you've got, Aceman? No argument, just name calling. Sounds like I won that round.

Matt| 9.10.09 @ 1:22PM

Maybe Joe and Dave Vitter can share a hooker in celebration!

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:22PM

GLORIA ... Oh puleeze, the national media and Democratic leaderships routinely called Bush a liar and far worse. As to this being seen all over the world, they've all seen far worse. Here's a bit of advise on your own behavior GLORIA, dispense with the mellodrama, you're doing a disservice to women everywhere.

To Gloria Wilson| 9.10.09 @ 1:22PM

Where was the decorum and respect for Americans when Obama was cozy with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and admitted commie Van Jones?

what a bunch of hypocrites| 9.10.09 @ 1:24PM

Isn't it convenient for the democrats to be so silent on the scumbag Van Jones' statements and actions and how they don't even begin to question Obama's judgment?

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 1:26PM

DEBORAH DUMB**S THE NAME FITS

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 1:27PM

Rules in the House? You gotta be kidding. That hallowed ground where politicians rob us and lie to us every day? Please.

The man only said what millions are thinking. He should be commended.

Mark L Johnson| 9.10.09 @ 1:27PM

It just amazes me how EVERY time a Republican pulls a boner or is caught in a situation that the immediate response on the right is not shame or embarrassment, but to look back and say "but, look, HE did THIS", pointing at some Democrat. This is exactly what a child would do to deflect blame.
And to top it off, in this case the Spectator has to pull out a weak argument comparing what Reid said in an INTERVIEW to Wilson's action IN CONGRESS. It just goes to show the lack of thought being put into some articles.

tdub| 9.10.09 @ 1:29PM

You poor, angry white knuckedraggers going on and on like 7th graders, "yeah, we ought to censure Polosi, too"

Are you drunk? We know you are paranoid, angry, compulsive liars, but what else is fueling that bar-room bravado that passes for "political discourse"?

If it weren't so inciting and dangerous, you people would be a laughing stock.

A liar shouting at a sitting president in a setting like this? You people truly have NO shame.

Betsy Madan| 9.10.09 @ 1:30PM

I can't wait for Joe Wilsons page to get back online so I can DONATE to his campaign!!

Mark L Johnson Hypocrite| 9.10.09 @ 1:30PM

Just another democrat hypocrite.

Deborah D| 9.10.09 @ 1:30PM

Let's see -- lying is okay, but telling the truth by calling someone a liar is wrong. Sounds like Brave New World to me.

Honey West| 9.10.09 @ 1:31PM

Deborah D, do you shave your beaver?

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 1:32PM

What setting? The House chamber. Some of the best lying and stealing in American history have taken place there. Wilson should have been applauded.

He's there to represent his constituents and I would wager his constituents feel as he does. He did his job. Period.

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:32PM

Gloria..you are right on. What Wilson di crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed. You can call the Presidnet a liar in a speech, to his face, at a rally, in the media, but to do so on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives during an address to a joint session of Congress. Is disrespectful to our entire country. To applaud it heaps more disrespect on this natino that I think every one of us loves.

tdub| 9.10.09 @ 1:33PM

See, here is the living proof. Posts like this. "The man only said what millions are thinking. He should be commended. "

Listen up, knuckledragger. Wilson called Obama a liar. There has NEVER been ONE stipulation allowing illegals rights in health care.

What is is about compulisive lying that you righties find so appealing? That other ignorant and angry people are willing to listen and spread the lie? Wow, quite a life goal to strive for...unreal

GLORIA T WILSON| 9.10.09 @ 1:33PM

There's no melodrama to be had when you're talking about common sense..or is that too much to fathom??? He could have said what he wanted if he hadn't been done where it was done..
How could my statements..along with countless others be a disservice to women?? There's nothing wrong with my behavior... or did you see me on TV acting uncouth??? And not to mention Bush was not disrepected in this fashion during a speech such as this... It would have been wrong then also. Call me an apologist. for what??..I'm not the problem!!! I definitely don't need your advice Karen..hopefully never will..That's right people...let's attack each other because we'e become so radical we can't see the forest for the tree branch stuck in our mouth!! You really make me want to gag sometimes1!!

Doug raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:34PM

Please excuse the typos. Not a great typist.

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:34PM

I'm sorrye about my speeling. I fluncked out of thrid grade.

Deborah D| 9.10.09 @ 1:35PM

Oooh, Honey. Great argument.

Illiterate Morons everywhere| 9.10.09 @ 1:35PM

People like Dough Raubacher are idiots. Instead of checking their post before submitting, they do it AFTER they submit it. And these illiterates are actually breeding.

Terry| 9.10.09 @ 1:38PM

I am curious? Do any of the supporters of Wilson's comment read? I don't care about what you feel, tell me the facts. It's irreleant about Van Jones, Rev. Right or Wilson. They all made remarks that offended someone. Let's examine the remarks and actions. No crybaby S#17, In the voice of Sgt. Friday "Just the facts Ma'am." And do not, I repeat "DO NOT" offer illiterate garbage like, "He hit me so I hit him back. Please present legit talking points. FACTS!!!

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:38PM

The personalization of this discussion is what's wrong with America more than anything else. Gloria made a legitamate, reasonable comment and was personally attacked for it. How are we EVER going to solve problems in this country if we can't even talk to each other in acivil manner or listen to a speech by the President of The United States while seated on the floor of Congress without being able to control yourself?

JOE| 9.10.09 @ 1:39PM

Health insurance companies are the scum of the earth. They sell you a product and then they cancell you when you make a claim. Then you need a lawyer to fight them. We should all cancell our policies and revolt.

gigglebutt from Brownwood| 9.10.09 @ 1:39PM

Terry, there are no legit talking points anymore. It's the us against them mentality and has gotten to the point that it will never change. No one is ever right and everyone is wrong. Sad.

Hezekiah| 9.10.09 @ 1:41PM

Doug, please stop posting. Your posts are bad for the eyes with your illiteracy. Please!

Nobama| 9.10.09 @ 1:42PM

Doug, love your new found liberal civility. Too bad it was nowhere to be found during the eight years of the Bush presidency. So, I guess you can stick your "can't we all just get along" baloney where the sun don't shine. Moron.

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:42PM

To those of you who are wondering. i did not post the "flunked out of 3rd grade comment. Someone signed on with my name. This is exactly what I'm talking about. What is the right wing thinking?? I used to be a moderate REPUBLICAN! NO LONGER.

Terry| 9.10.09 @ 1:43PM

Giggle, you may be correct. Unfortunately, there isn't a discussion in the same way Sen. Wilson abandoned civilo communication.

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 1:43PM

Freedom of speech ... apparently Joe Wilson doesn't have it. And if you can't speak your mind on the floor of the House, where can you do it? You lefties are just jumping on this, conveniently forgetting about eight years of similar conduct aimed at Bush and designed to undermine our troops' efforts.

Nobama| 9.10.09 @ 1:45PM

Honey West is a typical liberal: Demented and debauched. Libtards are perverts.

Doug Raubacher| 9.10.09 @ 1:45PM

Am posting here for the last time, which many will no doubt cheer. I will only say taht my point about the self destruction of the Republican party by the far right is being reinforced and reillustrated over and over agin in this forum and my point about the personalization of issues by both sides is also being proven.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:46PM

Mark Johnson --- Sorry, no one in their right mind would categorize what Wilson said last night as a "boner" move. He's lauded as a speaker of the truth!

Thanks Doug| 9.10.09 @ 1:47PM

Thanks Doug for signing off! Appreciate it.

Nobama| 9.10.09 @ 1:48PM

Bye, Doug; don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!

It's starting to smell better already.

Melody Warbington| 9.10.09 @ 1:48PM

As a private citizen and attendee of a July 4th tea party and my local townhall meeting, I and a number of my fellow citizens have been called a liar, a mobster, a teabagger, a racist, a Nazi, etc. by elected officials in interviews, speeches. In his speech, Obama called me (because I am among those who believe illegal immigrants are covered in his plan) a liar on national tv. Thank you to Rep. Wilson for stating what I and others have been saying for months. Obama is a liar.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:49PM

GLORIA ... Again with the histrionics, exactly my point as a poor representative to my gender ... What's next out of you, vapors?

The Real Truth| 9.10.09 @ 1:49PM

It's not a matter of the Republican party imploding. Each party does the same thing every few years. Eventually the democrats will do the same as they've always done. It's just a back and forth thing. It's just politics as usual.

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 1:50PM

Deborah--like shooting fishies in a barrel! That was just too easy. Pathetic libtards.

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 1:51PM

HEY KAREN FORGET WHAT COUNTRY YOURE FROM MY QUESTION IS WHAT PLANET YOU INBRED HICK

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:52PM

Much like the Democrats are imploding now REAL? Thanks for oh so eloquently point that out to us!

Karen Is not a Communicator| 9.10.09 @ 1:53PM

Karen, could you possibly start over and use proper grammar? It looks like a drunk hillbilly typed your post.

billsmith| 9.10.09 @ 1:54PM

Looks like Karen can't even understand what the poster meant.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:55PM

ACEMAN ... Little blue planet, third planet from our sun ... Where do folks with their heads up their asses like you and your ilk come from dear?

GLORIA T WILSON| 9.10.09 @ 1:56PM

NEED I SAY MORE????

Deborah D| 9.10.09 @ 1:57PM

Thanks, Jeremiah.

Yeast Infection| 9.10.09 @ 1:57PM

Karen, I have already invaded your vagina. Please get help. You're getting delusional.

GLORIA'S LOSING IT NOW| 9.10.09 @ 1:57PM

Perhaps it's menopause Gloria ...

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 1:58PM

YEAST INFECTION?!?! Is that the best you come back with you half-wit?!?! ...hell, look what I've devolved too, insulting half-wits...

ben| 9.10.09 @ 1:59PM

Hans Gottlobberger, or whatever your name is, can you produce your Nazi Party card...

See what I did there? I jumped to conclusions like you did; mine just weren't based on a prejudiced world view like yours.

Feel free to exit our country... it ok now, I’ve given you permission. :)

Karen is Illiterate| 9.10.09 @ 2:00PM

Karen, you don't know the difference between "to" and "too"? Illiteracy is a terrible thing.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 2:01PM

Ben --- "it" OK now?!?! Who are you, Hannibal Lecter's side kick "It put the lotion on now or it get's the belt"

Bill Hitler| 9.10.09 @ 2:02PM

Hans Gobbledegook proudly displays the swastika in his closet.

ben| 9.10.09 @ 2:03PM

Jeremiah - libtards - Too funny, tragically true. :)

Karen | 9.10.09 @ 2:04PM

The difference between "to" and "too"? As in you're TOO juvenile TO be taken seriously?

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 2:04PM

KAREN DO YOU SPEAK THRU YOUR MOUTH OR FROM YOU BUT CAN'T REALLY TELL

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 2:05PM

This one stands on it's own ====> KAREN DO YOU SPEAK THRU YOUR MOUTH OR FROM YOU BUT CAN'T REALLY TELL

ben| 9.10.09 @ 2:07PM

Little Karen

I will use small words. I obviously have to use different speech patterns when talking with liberal brain trusts. You will catch on some day... IT OK...

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 2:12PM

YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT UNLIKE YOUR DUMB RED NECK TRAILER TRASH ASS KAREN , I'AM AT WORK SO NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION. NOT TO MENTION RETARDS LIKE YOU JUST GET UNDER MY SKIN

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 2:13PM

Ben ... Now that it's confirmed that Troglodytes do indeed exist in modern society and are well represented on the left, perhaps this new ObamaCare could finally mainstream the poor creatures into our culture.

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 2:14PM

Joe Wilson should get a MEDAL!!!

I wish I could find out which mental institution let their most deranged inmates have internet privileges today.

What a bunch of wack-jobs!

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 2:14PM

Aceman -- Ugg! Ugg, ug, ugg ugg, ug!"

S L Toddard| 9.10.09 @ 2:19PM

True libturd intelligence on display here. These are the drug addled morons who voted the lying Marxist Obomination into office.

Human excrement = liberals.

Harpo| 9.10.09 @ 2:21PM

Sure, ACEMAN'S at work--in his mommy's basement. Wanker.

ben| 9.10.09 @ 2:21PM

Troglodytes? Karen you’re a.. a.. a.. LIBERAL?
Who the hell else would use that word, unless of course your saying I’m from the African Red Sea coast... are you a racist? what's wrong with being from a primitive tribe in Africa? Obama and his brother are... look how far they have come:)

Denzil Wilson| 9.10.09 @ 2:22PM

In the spirit and words of Rev. Jesse Jackson,
He is not my president. I'm not kidding. I thought back in 1965 or so when Dr. Kings oft-repeated quote about the content of our character came on the news and my dad said "son I can't improve on that" that racism was done. Think of what would have happened if race problems weren't relentlessly harped on, reported on, and used as excuses for every instance of not living up to basic standards of consideration and respect. Imagine.

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 2:24PM

Nancy,

You don't "impeach" members of congress, brainiac!

Just because you bleeding heart liberals hate the Constitution doesn't excuse your ignorance of how it works. Try reading it sometime. And then find a conservative to explain how it works and the big words to you.

It would keep you stinking liberals from making fools of yourselves!

ben| 9.10.09 @ 2:26PM

Got go guys. Keep up the good fight... here on the internet.. where nothing is real and lives aren't being changed.

Nevermind go get some ice cream instead, Obamacare will pay for it. ;)

Have a good rest of your day.

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 2:27PM

Obama is the only one from the Obama family that's actually made it on their own merits. His brother, as you mentioned, is still in a hut somewhere in Africa, pissing in an open sewer adjacent to his home. If we are to take Obama's missives at face value, one would hope that his charity would start at home and elevate the state of his brother's existence.

Todd| 9.10.09 @ 2:29PM

Is your caps lock button broken at work Aceman? Btw, it is I'm not I'am smarty pants. Where do you work at? Acorn? Moveon? Some leftist site is funneling a bunch of trolls over here. Only King Hussein is allowed to call people liars during his speeches so shame on Joe Wilson! Everyone knows that Obama intends to make all the illegals citizens so there will be no need to provide illegals with healthcare on taxpayer dime. They can join the other moocher citizens in society that repeatedly vote for Democrats and Socialists.

smuzz| 9.10.09 @ 2:30PM

Where were all you "concerned Americans" when Bush was booed and heckled during his 2005 State of the Union Address? This was wrong what happened to Obama, but it is sad to say it is the truth............

ACEMAN| 9.10.09 @ 2:34PM

HARPO HAVE I GOT A WANKER FOR YOU COME GET IT. YOU TROLL

ben| 9.10.09 @ 2:35PM

DAMN... got sucked back in.

How many Karen’s are going by the same name? The Karen character is all over the board. Conservative or Liberal? If you're both you're schizophrenic. Pick a side for God sake.

Pssst…
Pick the Light of Conservatism. We have the force...

Karen "H"| 9.10.09 @ 2:42PM

I'm on the "right" side, time and again. Make of that what you will Ben.

crookedwren| 9.10.09 @ 2:54PM

What? Did ACORN and Ariana Huffington find their way to the Spectator?

Might I suggest reading some of the fine material on this site?

As to the degraded state of lying, hysterical, barbaric, loathsome (dare I utter that profane word -- ) Republicans (GASP!), well, obviously Progressives who are rooted in Alinsky and Mao and Stalin and Lenin -- not to mention Marx -- they certainly know how to call a spade a spade.

Oh, dear, now I've done it. Let's see -- I mentioned Communism and a spade. Hmmmm. Let me guess what the vituperative Neo-Dem. will write in these comments!

Oh, that's right, only Republicans call others names, denigrate their public figures, ridicule, use sarcasm, and otherwise "call out" those who would disagree with them.

Wait a minute. Didn't the President say he would "call out" those who have the audacity to disagree with him? And his obviously Socialistic agenda?

When did loving liberty, wanting a government that is not intrusive, that supports small business and allows small business to flourish (so that people can actually get jobs and pay for their own insurance and medical treatment) -- when did loving that kind of approach to government become so annoying to the Democratic Party?

That's what I want to know.

Oh, and before you start spouting about Bush and Big Business -- let me just say another few words.

Immelt. GE & NBC & Major Govt. Influence/Bailout + Cap & Trade Interests & free advertising for O. and his policies.

Geithner. Worked for whom?

Franklin Raines. Didn't he bilk millions from Fannie before he was booted out and welcomed into the O. Administration?

My goodness, you folks own the NYTimes, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc. etc.

And you still haven't convinced me that Fidel is a hero.

Nor will you.

Harpo| 9.10.09 @ 3:05PM

Yeah, HandJob ACEMAN; I saw your wanker--it was the size of a cocktail frank. A small cocktail frank. Can't do much damage with that little limp worm!

I'm so afraid. Libturd. lol

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 3:13PM

Sen. Sphincter speaks and naturally shit emanates. How does he manage to communicate with his nose buried up BO's ass?

John| 9.10.09 @ 3:15PM

Just before Wilsons outburst last night the prez had just finished calling opponents of his healthcare plan liars. For months the prez has been calling everyone who questioned his healthcare plan liars and he continued to do so for most of last nights speech. Wilson shouldn't have blurted out "you lie" in that forum but I can undedrstand his frustration. As for those of you calling for Wilson to be punished...since when should one be punished for telling the truth. The prez is a liar.

KAY| 9.10.09 @ 3:21PM

No comment on the issue, only that reading through this mess I am aghast at how many people feel the need to go to profanity in either their writing or in their 'cute' name! It truly says something about our society when discourse can't be held without becoming rude and obnoxious. We saw FAR too much of that in August and it seems, by reading here, that it continues. Shame on those of you who can't discuss an issue with civility.

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 3:23PM

And a Merry BUSHITLER to you, too, KAY. Moron.

Kay | 9.10.09 @ 3:24PM

Need I say more?

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 3:25PM

This is new? This brand of "civility" got its real beginning in the 60s ... and now the pollution that came out of that era is running our govt. and the mainstream media. What do you expect?

Manuel| 9.10.09 @ 3:26PM

Dems have short memories when it comes to bad treatment of the president.

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 3:32PM

Go watch a Margaret Cho performance, then talk to me about incivility. If incivility and obscenity towards Republicans were illegalized, she'd have to start praying that short, fat, ugly and oriental were enough to get laughs.

Britt| 9.10.09 @ 3:33PM

Democrats and Republcans. Let us unite and get this Radical out of the Whitehouse. God Bless America.

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 3:33PM

No, Kay, you don't; that's my point, moron. Where was your moral outrage when you foam flecked beasts constantly shrieked and screeched at President Bush? Hmmm?

Just as I thought; you weren't outraged at the lack of civility, you were a part of it. Stupid hypocrite.

JB| 9.10.09 @ 3:47PM

Wilson should get the Metal of Honor for this call...he was dead on.

Anna Keppa| 9.10.09 @ 3:54PM

Heh. A lot of sites are showing video of Bush's 2005 SOTU address, where scores of Dems jeer and boo. Then there's Obambi saying Clinton was a bald-faced liar. And Reid calling Bush a loser and a liar. And how about "Bush lied, people died"? You moonbats sure have a tenuous grip on your own history.

Ayame| 9.10.09 @ 3:57PM

Representative Wilson's behavior was unacceptable. I stand by the right of elected officials to call each other out, but shouting out at the President while he addresses Congress is unprofessional and rude and I expect more from those we send to public office than public rabble rousing.

I don't care what Senator Reid has done in past (his comments were not shouted out at President Bush while he addressed Congress) - this is the leader of our nation. Whether we love or hate the person holding it, let's try to maintain some respect for the dignity of the office itself.

And since when did two wrongs make a right, that's the logic of children, not informed adults that actually care about the dignity of our nation.

David| 9.10.09 @ 3:58PM

Maybe Rep. Wilson's comment was out of line given the formality of the occasion. However, this is still a free country, at least for now. I don't think Wilson should have apologized for his comment. He should have apologized only for the TIMING of his comment. Joe Wilson should be lauded within the Republican Party and supported for having the guts to speak up against this inexperienced, arrogant president. It's a shame that Wilson had to fold to the pressure of senior Republicans such as John McCain. I voted for McCain but he now makes me sick because he is such a spineless wonder. People support Obama because they want "something for nothing". They want the government to supply everything so they can live on "easy street" and not have to work. That is the mentality of the younger generation now days and Obama is part of this generation.

Citizrm Mobius| 9.10.09 @ 3:59PM

When the President of the United States enters a room, everyone stands; not because the man is George Washington, Abe Lincoln, George Bush, or Barack Obama, but because of the office the man represents. I'm a sixty-four year old Republican who remembers my mother taking me with her to walk precincts for Ike. Never have I been so embarassed by my party as to watch with the rest of our citizens and the world as representatives of my party disrepected the office of the President by twittering on their phones and interrupting our nation's President with an insulting bellow. Neither Citizen Wilson nor Representative Wilson had a right to address this venue of a JOINT Session of Congress. Rep. Wilson does have a right to speak from the venue of the floor of the House to which he was elected and from a news conference, like Harry Reid did when he said that Bush was lying. Addressing this Joint Session was the purview of only one elected representative, The President. Republicans, like
myself, and Democrats, tuned in to hear our President address our Congress, not his heckler. Rep. Wilson has apologized to The President.
He still owes an apology to us, the Citizens.

Ron| 9.10.09 @ 4:00PM

When Obama was talking, I wanted all the Republicans to do like in the movie "Animal House" and all cough while at the same time saying "Bulls#%t". Way to go, Joe!!!!!!!!

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 4:06PM

No apology necessary, Joe. You're one of the few Congressmen to earn your pay this month.

Kay| 9.10.09 @ 4:07PM

Jeremiah,
Since you feel no shame in calling me names, I can't help but wonder what it was that I said that made you believe that I am a liberal??? Don't tell me that you KNOW that anyone who calls for civil discourse is a dem! Don't tell me that automatically being offended by adults who can't discuss without profanity is a Dem trait!! Don't tell me that being upset at people who when faceless don't maintain their 'family values' is a liberal point of view! You know, there are Republicans that walk the talk and are proud of it.

Flel| 9.10.09 @ 4:20PM

Wilson owes an apology to no one. I was calling him a liar to the car radio on the way home too. Speaking untruths and half-truths with sincerity does not make them true. It was my wish that all the Republicans simply get up and walk out on this speech and let the Democrats get down to their dirty business of taking whatever remaining income they can from working people and giving it to the "less fortunate." To sit by quietly and bear witness to the platitudes and scoldings should be an embarrassment to both houses of Congress. He continues to demonize Bush as if all of the problems of the country were his doing. He was a member of Congress and yet he conveniently absolves himself of any blame. A well timed Bronx Raspberry would have been more appropriate.

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 4:30PM

KAY, I know you're a liberal because of your foul odor. Troll stench is easy to identify, unfortunately.

Kay | 9.10.09 @ 4:48PM

Well guess what, you're wrong. And you are exactly what it wrong with our Republican party. It's no wonder the lefties talk about us being rude and uncivil.

Jack| 9.10.09 @ 4:55PM

No, Kay, it's not a wonder. It's hypocrisy, something lefties live by.

Kym| 9.10.09 @ 5:07PM

First off this is America and you still have freedom of speech.

If the president in fact did say that health care would not be provided to illegal aliens then perhaps he did not read page 50 line 152.

Granted it was voted in but perhaps if it's a sticking point it should be voted out.
Really...if you had a serious health issue and lived in another country, wouldn't you try and beg, borrow, steal or crawl into America for free health care?

I don't mind helping other Americans get good health care - but we are talking about people that have fundamentally broken the law.
The basic reason of "why" America exists is that law abiding people can self govern.
Illegal aliens can't even do the basic act of being law abiding and then want to hold our (Americans) feet to the fire because we tell them they have to be law abiding, in order to get anything.

There is no way someone that makes less then minim wage could possible put in enough sales taxes to cover their use of the infrastructure. Police, fire, roadways, bridges, public transportation, hospital emergency rooms are NOT free, somewhere at sometime somebody pays in subsidies. Subsidies usually come in the form of property or income tax. So if you can’t own property and you don’t have a SSN, how can you possibly put in one dime to the infrastructure?

So is it a wonder that the average American that has read and knows about page 50 line 152 is pissed…Really who wouldn’t be.

Esther| 9.10.09 @ 5:13PM

If anyone would like to donate to Joe Wilson.......... The address is: JOE WILSON FOR CONGRESS, PO BOX 2145, WEST COLUMBIA,SC 29171 Go for it Patrioits

Susan B.| 9.10.09 @ 5:24PM

I am amazed at the ignorance people display by condoning inappropriate behavior. It is not o.k. and it's not "way to go Joe" for not using self-control and decorum. Joe has every right to disagree with the President, but he went about it all wrong. If he feels that strongly about it, he should have been a real man and went to the President to address his concerns...not wait until the President addresses Congress on national television. That was a real punk move! But that's how "they" do it...get courage in a group, but can't say anything one-on-one.

Kay| 9.10.09 @ 5:25PM

Jack, What I am saying is that no one, I don't care what you believe, should need to stoop to the language to which I refer (there Ms. White..Eng. tchr). It invalidates your message when you don't present yourself in a civil manner. It doesn't matter what the other side does or says. Hold your head up high and maintain your self respect.

Nobama| 9.10.09 @ 5:28PM

Kay, what would a lying liberal troll like you know about self-respect? Crawl back under your rock, okay, Kay?

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 5:29PM

I just donated $1000.00 to Joe Wilson's campaign!!

GO JOE!

Yellow Dog| 9.10.09 @ 5:37PM

It's crazy how people compare Harry Reid to Joe Wilson. Yes Harry Reid clarified that Dubbya lied about WMD to get congressional authorization for a war. Have some of you been living under a rock? That's pretty much known to be known. The question is, did Harry Reid heckle the president by calling him a liar as an outburst during a presidential speech delivered during a joint session? THAT IS WHAT IS AT QUESTION! Some of you people need to understand that though you may have no class at all, the majority of this country does and the overwhelming majority of congressman exhibit a basic level of such dignity.

Kay| 9.10.09 @ 5:38PM

Kym,
I was surprised by your entry. I hadn't heard that. So I downloaded HR 3200 and searched for the word 'illegal.' Not there.

suck it| 9.10.09 @ 5:40PM

you effing retards ... racist b*itches... white people so scared of another race being right and leading.... effing manufactured ignorant personalities... fk you fking idiots

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 5:50PM

Susan B.,

Joe Wilson deserves a medal for what he said. He also deserves the medal to be withdrawn for his lame apology.

This is war by another means.

You want some civility?
Try this: "Get bent, bleeding heart liberals."

How was that?

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 5:50PM

Susan B.,

Joe Wilson deserves a medal for what he said. He also deserves the medal to be withdrawn for his lame apology.

This is war by another means.

You want some civility?
Try this: "Get bent, bleeding heart liberals."

How was that?

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 5:51PM

OOOPS!!

Karen| 9.10.09 @ 5:51PM

Excuse me Kay but I couldn't disagree with you more. In reviewing several speeches Bush had given during his two terms, you can audibly hear hisses and boos from the Democrats. This was resoundly accepted by the media as appropriate due to the discourse in the country at that time. A shout out of "liar" is hardly any different and appropriate IMHO when the President is indeed lying on a national broadcast to the entire world.

Regarding your claim that you searched for the word "illegal", my dear Kay, the word you should have searched for was UNDOCUMENTED. Democrats have abolished the use of the word "illegal" and only those that wish to use that topic as a means by which to call opponents of amnesty as racists has painted you as the liberal you really are.

Melody W.| 9.10.09 @ 6:49PM

How about the libs allowing Code Pink to interrupt General David Petraeus' Congressional testimony in the name of free speech? Was their treatment of Samuel Alita, John Roberts and Clarence Thomas in any civil? Just like a liberal to believe in something so long as it applies only to their side! I just donated to Joe Watson's campaign.

Areal American| 9.10.09 @ 6:53PM

Joe Wilson would be getting off too lightly with just a censure. He should be drawn and quartered, and his decaying remains left to fester and rot in the public square.

Melody W.| 9.10.09 @ 6:59PM

Karen is absolutely correct re "undocumented" being in the bill. Kay, if, as Obama stated, that it's a lie illegal immigrants will be covered under the plan, why did the Dems vote down the amendment stating they will not be covered (which they did more than once)? Same question re not covering abortions. Same question re why won't Congress include an amendment that requires them and Obama to be covered by the same plan they want to force on us? All of these have been proposed in various amendments by Republicans and all have been voted down by Democrats. It's obvious the Dems are lying about these issues and so much more, and it's about time we called them on it. We still have a First Amendment right to do so.

Doug R| 9.10.09 @ 7:03PM

Anyone actually read the wording regarding illegals in the bill? HB3200, page 143, section 246
specifically states that illegals are ineligable for th Government sponsored health plan.

Doug R| 9.10.09 @ 7:15PM

This is the actual wording of page 143 sec 246.
"Sec. 246. No Federal Payment For Undocumented Aliens."
"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow the federal payment for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in The United States".
Don't believe me? Look it up:
http://energycommerce.house.go...../aahca.pdf

Doug R| 9.10.09 @ 7:16PM

Period. End of discussion on whether Obama was lying.

Melody W.| 9.10.09 @ 7:40PM

Doug R. There is nothing in the bill to enforce the statement you quoted, and an amendment was defeated in committee that would have required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program. Further, from the report entitled “Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200” by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service, under H.R. 3200, a “Health Insurance Exchange” would begin in 2013 that offers private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers’ plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange—whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently.”

Putting aside the issue of illegal immigrants, there are plenty of other objections to HR3200. Read the following article at CNN Money (hardly a bastion of conservativism or right-wing conspiracists) for some thoughts about what freedoms we will lose under Obamacare. http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/2.....a.fortune/
Again, I ask if illegal immigrants and abortions are not covered, why do Dems continue to vote aaginst amendments that specifically state such? And why do Dems refuse to vote for an amendment stating they will participate in the same plan?

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 7:43PM

Melody W.,

Right on point!
Excellent.

Doug R,

What exactly are the penalties for those who receive "federal payment for affordability credits"? Hmmmmm?

A law that forbids an action but does not punish the act is meaningless.

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 7:49PM

Melody W.,

You beat me to it! ARGGHH! Oh well.

You sure know the specifics of this bill, do you work on the hill?

Doug R| 9.10.09 @ 8:01PM

Fist of all Nick an Melody W. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for a rational, well reasoned response to my post. I wish this entire discussion was as intelligent as you folks are. Your point is well taken reagrding enforcement and that definately needs to be worked out. The bill is not in it's final form and this debate will hopefully clarify this issue. I made my point to illustrate that the President was not lying. There is nothing in this bill that gives illegals explicit entry to the plan. The congressmans outburst was unwarrented and an overraction at an inappropriate time.

Mark L. Johnson| 9.10.09 @ 8:09PM

Karen @1:46PM, I would consider any action that has to be apologized for as a boner, mistake , goof, or whatever word you want to use for it. Yes, some people will cheer for it, but some people also cheer when a guy gets hit in the nuts on America's Funniest Home Videos. If Joe Wilson admits it was wrong - and he was the one that did it - then it is just wrong.

Nick| 9.10.09 @ 8:27PM

Doug R.,

On behalf of myself, thanks for the compliment. But you will gain no quarter.

I believe it was B.O. who first called certain opponents of his health care debacle "liars."

And, how am I supposed to hit a moving target?

"The bill is not in it's final form[...]"
"There is nothing in this bill[...]"

So which is it? As Melody showed, the GOP has offered many amendments and the democrats have defeated them all. You can't say, "Well, that will be worked out later, but it's not in the bill now."

And everybody is assuming Joe Wilson was specifically saying B.O. was just lying about the illegal alien charge. Mr. Wilson could've been talking about B.O.'s many lies.

So to try and pidgeonhole Mr. Wilson on this one issue is deflecting from all of B.O.'s lies and how much he has screwed this up.

Nobama| 9.10.09 @ 9:13PM

Who knew liberals were the party of tea towels and Emily Post? Who knew?

Knuckle dragging mouth breathers is more like it.

Richard Baker| 9.10.09 @ 9:44PM

Wonder what Specter said when the Democrats booed George W during a State of the Union speech? Enquiring minds want to know.

T Zale| 9.10.09 @ 9:54PM

While his vocalization during the Presidents speech to Congress may be viewed as poor etiquette and a bad move politically for the Republicans, I agree that it is a lie that illegals will not recieve healthcare at our expense. The President and the Democrats want to make it law that all Americans obtain Health Insurance to reduce the number seeking Emergency Room treatment. Just where does he think these illegals will end up? Who will pay for their medical treatment in emergency situations? While the Bill may not specifically say they will be treated, the end result will be that they will. Perhaps not covered under the Public Option and they will not be paying Premiums but they will receive Free treatment at our expense. Since they are a very large number of those they claim are uninsured, if they are not specifically addressed in the Reform legislation, it will cost taxpayers a bundle.
Also, how do the Democrats expect College and Graduate students to pay for Health Insurance? No comment on that. Also, nobody has asked what the Public Option Premiums will be compared to like(apples to apples) coverage under Private Insurance. It is reported that the savings will be between 10-30% by a Government commissioned study. I expect it will be less than that. Additionally, if both spouses work and one elects coverage under the others group plan, due to less cost/better coverage/lower deductible, then what? It is my understanding that the employer of the person being covered under their spouses plan will then have to pay 8% for that employee eventhough they are covered under their spouses group plan. Too much has gone unsaid in the Democrats plan. There are not enough specificsm, so it is impossible for anyone to make an intelligent, informed decision on whether their plan will reduce cost and provide individuals with better coverage.

Harpo| 9.10.09 @ 9:58PM

Baker, Specter didn't say a thing; he just peed his Depends.

Jeremiah| 9.10.09 @ 10:00PM

I don't think it was a bad political move at all. I'm sick of weenie repubs. Grow a pair, Republicans!!

T Zale| 9.10.09 @ 10:01PM

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that Arlen Spectator is a person that has no business respresenting anyone. He took money from Republican Voters and then changed to the side of Democrats? That shouldn't even be legal. What a low life.

T. Zale| 9.10.09 @ 10:20PM

Tax evader Rangel is the one that should step down. He broke the law and Pelosi is "waiting for the outcome of the investigation", yea right! By the way are "boos" any better. Are those against what the President says suppose to stand up and applaud. I don't think Wilson made a good decision in what he did. But I also don't think the President was right in stating during his way to numerous TV appearances that "there are those that make false statements/lies". The Bill might not specifically say something, but the outcome of policies provided in the Bill will result in rationing of care, reduced quality of treatment and lack of Private Insurance.

Elsie Payne| 9.10.09 @ 11:03PM

Our Constitution will allow for illegals to be covered under Obama Care if and when the govt mandates thru Obama Health Reform (?). The state of California tried to keep illegals from getting health care and two federal courts thumbed their nose at California. Our Constitution does not allow us to give to some and not to illegals...Obama is lying when he knows that the Constitution covers all when the govt offers public health care....That is why we must fight the public option..also the Supreme Court refused to hear the California case...

Trotters = defeeted pigs| 9.10.09 @ 11:11PM

BJ - would that you had been one.

Trotter = defeeted pigs| 9.10.09 @ 11:15PM

O-hole is a liar,

O-hole is a thief,

O-hole is a bigot,

but not commander in chief!

Yosemeti Sam| 9.11.09 @ 1:35AM

Aside from the riotous vagina chronicle excerpts and beaver issues alluded to in posts:

Seriously though, when millions of illegals need/ed medical care, for decades, do/did they sneak back into Mexico for said care or
have they been getting their lib-court-mandated medical care here in the USA, all along, no questions asked?

Whether they become rubber-stamped citizens or not, invariably they receive health care and will receive health care in states such as, say,
Mexifornia; that is a given and not a lie. For BHO to claim that illegals shan't be getting health care 'coverage' is PROPAGANDA.

Madeleine | 9.11.09 @ 2:03AM

Ed your great. I love what you said...send them to Tex. what a hoot. SEriously.....I am not Black, but this is about race. its great to be passionate about your politics...but the hate that spews from the right? it comes from fear that a Black man is running this country. to the left? we thought the US was ready for this..man -truth is ... this country is messed up and they are not ready for this. Obama is ten years too early. How sad.

Ayame| 9.11.09 @ 2:34AM

As some of you have commented, I am supposedly part of the deadbeat generation that wants nothing more than handouts, just because I am young. I might also be heckled as a liberal or conservative just because I ask for civility from someone who is an advocate of one party or another.

But what I really want is discussion like my grandpa and grandma said used to happen back in the day. Rep. Wilson should call out the President if he disagrees, but I know he could find a more professional way to do so than shouting at our President in the middle of a Congressional speech. I learned about government from grandparents and I also learned about manners and I'd like to see some common decency and honest discussion about the issues rather than everyone yelling at and insulting each other.

How are we, as the next generation, supposed to learn anything, when our parents and leaders do nothing but yell at each other? My grandpa was a second generation American and believed fully in the strength of each individual to earn his or her keep, and my grandma had strong liberal views. They each shared important lessons with me, yet sometimes it's hard to hear either above the irrational and ill-thought screams of both right and left.

As a young person getting started in this world, I implore all of you, again, to consider respect of your fellow humans and their beliefs.

Nobama| 9.11.09 @ 2:53AM

Madeleine, I know it's hard for you to understand because you're a brain dead liberal, but this is not because Obama's 1/2 black. It's because he's a Marxist and he's destroying our country. We don't want a Marxist in 10 years either, brain trust.

You liberals scream racist any chance you get; that way you don't have to come up with a real argument. So many stupids, no wonder our country is such a mess.

Jeremiah| 9.11.09 @ 2:56AM

Ayame, have you posted your thoughtful comments on HuffPost or DU? Let me know how that works out for you.

I'll wait for your answer.

Ayame| 9.11.09 @ 6:06AM

Jeremiah,

I can't tell whether you are sincere in your response to me or not, but I'll be earnest and honest back, and I hope you meant it the same way. It's not a diatribe I posted all around the internet, just here, and I meant what I said, as simple as that and I hope others will take it at face value.

I'm guessing you mean people will either cheer or insult me on those sites, but that's not really what I was seeking. I'm just a youngin' getting interested in politics and looking for a little respectful and respectable commentary from those who've been involved longer. I hope you are one that will share your thoughtful insights back.

As for posting it elsewhere, I didn't, only because I was trying to be thoughtful about the particular situation we are all discussing regarding Rep. Wilson's comments, but I believe in what I say and I would hope that my desire for grown-up discussion would appeal to all intelligent folks, red or blue. It gets really exhausting trying to sort through the muck when everyone just yells and insults one another.

Nick| 9.11.09 @ 6:31AM

Ayame,

Here's some free advice:

1) You shouldn't lecture people on manners. Either they have them or they don't.

2) If you're respectful to someone and they attack you, call them on it.

3) If you're attacked, defend yourself.

And 4) Realize that some of us who post here with some regularity have histories with others who are vicious hacks, and so we hit them back just as hard.

Hope that helps. Take care.

Jethro| 9.11.09 @ 9:46AM

Well, this is just another example of why Americans are disgusted by local, state, and federal government. So what if Mr Wilson called Mr Obama a liar? It's just politics and it's part of the territory. With all due respect, of course.

freba| 9.11.09 @ 8:57PM

When Harry Reid was asked if he would apologize for calling Pres. Bush a liar and a loser, he said, "No, because I am who I am and I call it as I see it." End of story. Why is Joe any different from Harry Reid who can say what he wants whenever he wants. And enough of this "decorum" nonsense. It's about time someone had the courage to say, "The Emporer Has No Clothes!"

Brittanicus| 9.11.09 @ 11:34PM

The incident that occurred in Congress by Rep. Joe Wilson R-NC, illustrates the consequences of a blurring line between illegal immigration and health care. Our politicians have been alerted to the angry voices of the American people. For once they have disregarded the business campaign contributors and all the cloaked gifts given for services rendered by special interest lobbyists. Millions of US citizens are enraged with the status quo buying favors from our representatives that has led to our wilting economy. Today speaking on behalf of Washington committees on health care, the lawmaking emphasized that illegal aliens cannot access the new health reform package, that any person applying will be checked through government databases.

E-Verify might be implemented for this very issue, that it has shown in the majority of cases remarkable successes in remove illegal alien workers from the working environment. E-Verify can solve this problem and bring sanity back to immigration enforcement. E-VERIFICATION OF EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN WORKER MUST BE MADE PERMANENT? NOT JUST VOLUNTARY POLICY, BUT AS A FULL FORCE OF OPERATION CARRYING STRICT PENALTIES. This operation will work under federal policies? But what about state laws? California as an example is a Sanctuary state for millions of illegal immigrants and their families? Other border states are also occupied by large proportions of unlawful populations of foreign nationals?

This last year has culminated in huge financial losses in California caused by millions of low income illegal aliens, which has created a third world community within the United States. There must be federal measures to bring under control, massive spending benefits for people who have no right from benefiting from those who come here legally or were born here. How can any public health care option work at a state level, when states like California ignore federal law, regarding financial refuge to indigent people? Our own people remain homeless and in many cases without hope, when legislators have prioritized, health care, education an overloaded jail system and easy welfare money for illegal immigrants?

The once golden state has been using taxpayer money, to support illegal aliens, when the same expenditures should have been adopted for a collapsing infrastructure. Highways, schools, tunnels, bridges and dams in a dangerous state of disrepair? Our legislators in many cases have been seduced by lobbyists and should be banned from any contact with our politicians. This will never happen, but something must be done? Millions have been spent on derailing the health care reform currently and in the past, as has immigration enforcement. Rescinding 287(g) federal training for local police enforcement of immigration laws, the NO MATCH LETTER and the cutting back on ICE raids on obnoxious businesses using foreign workers.

The order to crush E-verify was given to Sen.Harry Reid, Speaker Pelosi, Janet Napolitano, but narrowly survived in the Senate chambers. Both political parties are equally to blame for not enforcing the 1986 Immigration Control & Reform Act that was inundated with fraud and a desire to weaken the laws. Now they want to rescind that law, offering yet another reform package that will never function? Let’s not kid ourselves! Huge veiled forces are at work to import as much cheap labor as possible with no restraints, lowering wages and an unconscionable burden on taxpayers.

DON'T LET THE POWERS IN WASHINGTON WHITEWASH THE FACTS! DEMAND THE ORIGINAL DESIGNED FENCE AND THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF E-VERIFY, 287 (g), THE SAVE ACT AND AS WRITTEN, THE 1986 SIMPSON/MAZZOLI BILL AND AMEND THEM IF NEED BE? NO MORE IMMIGRATION REFORM? DO THE JOB THEY WERE VOTED FOR? CALL YOUR POLITICIANS AT 202-224-3121 AND DEMAND THESE LAWS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE? MORE ANSWERS FOUND AT NUMBERSUSA & JUDICIAL WATCH.

adafad| 12.7.09 @ 11:32AM

I feel sorry for the Republicans that really have ideas for progressing the Republic and are being overshadowed by these mongrels.

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