The American Spectator

crazed weasel co-dependent| 9.3.09 @ 5:31AM

All we, the people, have to do now is show this to the crazed weasels running Congress and I'm sure they will do the right thing.

Bob| 9.3.09 @ 10:36AM

Bandow, what you don't say is that this is also being done in the U.S. right now -- only by insurance companies on the basis of cost. You can be dropped from a policy and not get another. You are stopped from using experimental procedures. Many policies have a financial limit. YOU don't make the decision, your insurance company makes the decision -- THEY are the "death panel".

You also don't say that your overall odds of living longer are better in the U.K. than in the U.S. We can all point to individual cases where each of the systems break down, but it is the overall statistics that are important and give perspective when adjudicating health systems. We are 37th in the world in these overall statistics and pay by far, the most.

So you, Bandow, believe that is good. I argue that this extreme expense hurts our economy by making it uncompetitive with other countries. This cost forces companies to manufacture products elsewhere and therefore limit the ability of people to earn wages. In the end, if we are uncompetitive, it doesn't make any difference which health care system we have, does it?

Lowering health care costs requires rationing. Rationing will come in the future -- it is economically impossible to do otherwise. The question is not whether rationing should be done, but how. Should it be done by insurance companies? Should it be done by the government? I would make the argument that since we vote for our leaders, they are far more responsive to the public than insurance companies.

It would be nice, Bandow, if you made a principled argument based on statistics, facts, and logic rather than scare tactics.

SoCon| 9.3.09 @ 1:12PM

Sarah was right!

LAWYERS FOR POOR AMERICANS| 9.3.09 @ 1:26PM

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Dixie Pixie| 9.3.09 @ 1:31PM

Is it not a insult to “crazed weasels” to be compared to the Democratic party members in Congress. I may be wrong, but I have never known even the craziest of weasels to eat anything unseen like the Congress did with the recent Obama-care and Stimulus Bills.

Tim| 9.3.09 @ 1:36PM

Bob , you ignorant slut; Healthcare is a right! You can't ration a right.

davmos| 9.3.09 @ 4:34PM

The claim that America spends more and gets less in healthcare should be corrected as follows.
Other countries do not have our expensive tort system.
Other countries parasite our research.
Other countries ration care by denying stents, bypasses, hip and knee replacements, expensive drugs etc for elderly. They don't have expensive equipment available without long waits.
Our life expectancy at older ages is one of the best. It is infant mortality that lowers our expectancy. Survival rates for people diagnosed with cancer and heart disease is better in the U.S. than most countries. Big shots from these other countries come here for difficult treatments.
If an insurance company unjustly denies care it can face an expensive judgement. If medicare denies treatment you can ask for better decision but you must deal with the government. If all care comes from the government they can just arbitrarily change the rules. A recent article reported the U>K> just ordered certain surgeries reduced by 15%. Tough, if you need it.
The preliminary bill from the house includes severe penalties on Drs and hospitals that offer care outside the proscribed limits. You won't be able to pay for it yourself, if this goes through.

jr| 9.3.09 @ 5:43PM

Tim - your argument is based entirely on your opinion. Health care is not a right - you will not find that in the Declaration or Constitution. If you wish to place it in the context of a religious right, you must identify the specifics as to where it can be found. What health care right is there for a 1,000 pound man who has gorged himself over his years while his neighbors have perhaps lived in poverty? Repetition of liberal and Democrat nonsense is not appealing and is -- nonsense. Get the Constitution changed and I may go for it. That's a "may." In Norwood Canada, where health care has been made a "right," there is a weekly drawing by the mayor's office to see who get to see the local doc. What do you think might be wrong with this? Shortage of money, docs, access, rights, death panel, life panel, abortionists? One could say that a shortage of abortionists brought this on, but that would not be politically correct. Has anyone calculated the abortions in with the rest of American's life and death statistics - as in how long do Americans live versus those in ______ .

Bob| 9.3.09 @ 6:12PM

jr -- when you say that health care is a privilege, there is baggage that comes along with that. You are also saying that if you cannot afford it, you don't get it. That means you're all right with people who can't afford care, or whose benefits have been totally used, dying. If you think the government should cover these people, then you actually believe health care is a right, not a privilege.

I have a problem with people who call themselves "pro-life" and don't think health care is a right. That is totally inconsistent. You can be "anti-abortion" however and believe that health care is a privilege. I happen to believe that health care is a privilege, not a right -- but that is consistent with my pro-choice positions.

Kelley| 9.3.09 @ 6:14PM

Health care is definitely not a right. Anyone can get health care in the USA even the illegals. Walk into any ER and they are obligated under law to treat you. We have free clinics in every city in every state for those who do not have private insurance. Obama wants to rule this country in every aspect of our being. I personally have relatives in Canada and England who have been waiting many many months for health care or to be seen by a specialist. Do not deign to tell me it is better over there. It is NOT. We do need reform that is absolutely true but start by fixing what is wrong with our present system. Do the democrats want tort reform, of course they don't. There was a perfectly good health plan offered by the other side in May. Did it ever see the light of day - no it certainly did not. Democrats immediately shot it down as not being liberal enough. I cannot wait to get them all booted out of DC.

Nobama| 9.3.09 @ 7:28PM

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights; health care isn't, moron.

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