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MoveOn.org Claims It Is "Winning" Healthcare Fight

Sometimes leaders lie to their followers to improve morale. People will lie to a mortally wounded person and tell the person everything will be alright.

MoveOn.org, incredibly enough, is telling its supporters it is "winning" the fight to force government-run healthcare down the throats of Americans.

It also keeps pushing its push poll that falsely reports that Americans support the socialist public option.

Here is the group's latest email --filled with the usual lies and distortions about what the public wants-- to supporters:

Dear MoveOn member,

After a few weeks of health care craziness, there's good news: we're winning on the ground. Lots of town halls are now dominated by supporters of health care reform. The vast majority of Americans want the choice of a public plan.1 And a powerful bloc of progressives in the House is standing strong on real reform.

The really bad news? The media's still acting like President Obama's health care plan is on the skids.

If we don't turn the conventional wisdom around before Congress begins voting on health care, we could be in big trouble.

We've got a plan to make it happen. It starts tomorrow with major vigils across the country to bring the media's focus back to the real people suffering under the current health care system.

And then we'll shake up the media story again by going on the offensive against Republicans, with a new series of tough ads that call them out for their ties to the health insurance industry.

But to actually make a big splash, we need to raise $185,000 today—and that's going to take at least 50 donations from people in Washington. Can you chip in $20 right now to help out?

[LINK OMITTED]

Right now, Republicans in Congress think they can get away with viciously slandering President Obama's plan for a public health insurance option—even though 77% of Americans say they want to have the choice of a public plan.2

These Republicans need a reality check. Every member of Congress should know that opposing health care reform isn't just morally wrong—it's politically dangerous and unpopular.

That's why we're planning some very tough new TV ads. They'll let voters know exactly how much money their representatives have taken from the insurance industry, whose top goal this year is to kill the public option.

These ads are a surefire way to put Republicans on the defensive, and show that Americans want their representatives to stop siding with insurance companies by obstructing health care reform.

To hit our goal of $185,000 and get these ads on the air, we need at least 50 people in Washington to step up. Can you chip in $20 right now to help out?

[LINK OMITTED]

Thanks for all you do.

–Nita, Kat, Stephen, Joan and the rest of the team

Source:

1, 2. "New Poll: 77 Percent Support 'Choice' Of Public Option," The Huffington Post, August 20, 2009. http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51799&id=17087-10523989-_Ao3JTx&t=5

Want to support our work? We're entirely funded by our 5 million members—no corporate contributions, no big checks from CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a long way. Chip in here.


PAID FOR BY MOVEON.ORG POLITICAL ACTION, http://pol.moveon.org/. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

Comments

crmang| 9.1.09 @ 4:59PM

According to MoveOn.org, "The vast majority of Americans want the choice of a public plan.1 ". Where have they been for the last few weeks? Not anywhere near a radio, TV, newspaper or the internet, apparently.

Imagine what they'd say if they were actually winning the argument?

ConservativeWanderer| 9.1.09 @ 6:51PM

Excuse me, Mr. Vadum; this is not news.

It would be news if MoveOn told the truth! Lying is just "Dog Bites Man."

Josie| 9.1.09 @ 7:16PM

They can't help it--smoking all that crack does that to you. :p

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John -TMF| 9.1.09 @ 10:31PM

Republicans look like the new "Jews" of 21st century American agitprop.

We haven't had any functional power since early 2007, and since January 2008 haven't had enough votes to call for a potty break...

But WE are still at fault. Wow...

Tomorrow morning we will wake up and their still won't be the votes for that potty break, and that condition will not change until January 2011...

That's a long time to sustain a scapegoat, but if anyone can do it, "The One" and his supplicants will find a way.

It is sad commentary on the sanity of the American electorate.

r/John - TMF

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Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 9:17AM

One thing's for sure: No matter what happens today, tomorrow or next week, conservatives - and rank-and-file Americans who value their self-determination - can never, ever rest against the threat: Barry Goldwater was right: Extremism in the defense of liberty is indeed no vice.

Health care reform may well go down in flames, and to save it, Obama says that the public option is off the table. Do NOT believe it. Control of our bodies is the raison d’être of the Obama administration and represents the key to the totalitarian kingdom.

The sad truth is that liberalism, leftism, progressivism, Marxism - whatever they want to call it - is never defeated; it can only be beaten back temporarily, like crab grass. Or perhaps more ominously, it's like a noxious gas that hangs in the air in perpetuity, eternally ready to rush into the edifice of democracy through the slightest breach and poison its once-robust occupants.

And the bigger the vacuum created by a lack of conservative leadership, the more readily that poison permeates our breathing space.

Health care reform may die an inglorious death; Obama may lose his political capital; overreaching Senators and congressmen may lose their elections; the country may lurch back toward the center. But public opinion is a pendulum, and every time it swings to the left, it institutionalizes and ossifies socialism a little more. And even if the blatant leftism of the ObamaStalinists is rejected now, and the pendulum dutifully swings back to the right, one thing is for sure: It will return, and every time it does, it steals a little more of our freedom – freedom that a reactionary swing back to the right never obviates.

Look at the utter socialist pabulum that is now taught in our public schools. The march toward this leftist indoctrination has scarcely broken its stride since the 1950s despite Nixon, despite the Reagan revolution, despite the patrician George H. W. Bush, despite the supposed conservatism of George W. Bush (and No Child Left Behind was NOTHING but a structural beam propping up the Marxist teaching unions and further institutionalizing all that is wrong with education).

Conservatives agitate for term limits. That’s fine, but it doesn’t address the problem. Elected public servants didn’t write the stimulus bill and the health care monstrosity. The permanent class in Washington DC wrote them: The lobbyists, the apparatchiks, the ensconced staffers, the legal leeches and other assorted miscreants, none of whom rent homes in DC – they buy them. Because politicians may or may not come and go, but the metastasized bureaucrat, the vermin we never see unless we shine a light in the dead of night, isn’t going anywhere. Ever.

And so freedom must know no respite. It must be ever-vigilant, for there will always be an endless supply of intellectual posers, self-appointed ubermenschen all too eager to remake society in the image forged in the vanity mirrors of their own egos.

And that image is always of themselves with a foot on the throat of you and me. That image never, ever changes. And that is why we cannot merely defeat health care. We cannot merely expose Obama as a wannabe third world dictator. We cannot merely oust his clan of social engineers and “Social justice” storm troopers. We cannot merely neutralize the ideologically perverse bureaucratic weeds that are choking the garden of capitalism.

We must each and every day value our freedom as a physical act. We must demand true reform that eradicates those who have hijacked our country and daily work to weaken the foundation and will not be happy until the whole structure is brought down. We must slay the leviathan.

We must recognize that, sadly, there are far, far more Barack Obamas in this world than there are Ronald Reagans. We must fight for our freedom each and every day we are on this planet and never, ever cede an inch to the tyrants who are always waiting to breach the fragile levies of freedom. This country is OURS. Not THEIRS. It’s time to make Washington DC a small backwater swamp again and not the nexus where big money changes hands and the futures that are traded back and forth so callously are our own.

Where the hell is Winston Churchill when you need him?

Dave Lincoln| 9.2.09 @ 11:20AM

Grzymly, best post ever.

L. Ross| 9.2.09 @ 11:58AM

I found the "math" in the article fascinating. The want $185,000, and need at least 50 people to donate $20. That adds up to $1000. To get to their goal, they need at least 9,250 people to donate $20. How these people ever came into power is utterly beyond my comprehension.

Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 12:41PM

Thank you, Dave Lincoln.

Campy| 9.2.09 @ 12:52PM

Gryzmlyk,

"Look at the utter socialist pabulum that is now taught in our public schools. The march toward this leftist indoctrination has scarcely broken its stride since the 1950s..."

And patently obvious in this telling Van Jones quote linked yesterday in the desecrators of 9/11 article:
Convinced that American society needed a wake-up call on race, Jones abandoned his plan to become a journalist, concluding that he would rather make news than report it. "If I'd been in another country, I probably would have joined some underground guerrilla sect," he said. "But as it was, I went on to an Ivy League law school."

G, great post... I would love to shake your hand.

Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 2:08PM

Thank you, Campy. I enjoy your posts as well.

I never thought I'd wind up being forced to reject my government and take up arms against tyranny here in America but, as Tom Paine once said, these are times that try men's souls.

With this administration breeding little fuehrers - excuse me, czars - everywhere, the rise of Stalinist thugs like Van Jones is simply a sign that we have indeed arrived at those times.

Anyone who thinks Obama will give up "the public option," or, as I prefer to call it, The New Slavery, doesn't see the big picture.

Because we ARE a tolerant nation, and because we have hitherto been unable to conceive of an existential threat to our Constitution-fueled American Exceptionalism from within, we have allowed this insanity to take root over the last 100 years. And now it is flowering as it never has before; the weed of Marxism has overrun the garden.

Well, I think we have laid down for this Marxist crap long enough. I only hope we don't, as Tytler observed, inevitably trudge back into bondage without so much as a wimper.

And the tea parties and the town halls are good, but they are only a toehold. There are many, many battles to be fought, and as with illegal immigration, it's going to be hard, if not impossible, to unring the liberal bell.

But, one way or another, we have got to take this country back so that the Obamas of the world dare not show their faces in public and his ilk couldn't even conceive of getting elected dog catcher in Peoria.

Angel| 9.2.09 @ 2:17PM

Grzmlyk, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. We have to stay wide awake from now on. The b@stard sure has my attention!

We need a leader, and I believe God is sending one. And, we need cohesion.

I'm praying constantly for His help.

Angel| 9.2.09 @ 2:23PM

Grzmlyk--one quibble: I see many Ronald Reagans on this blog. Look in the mirror, doll.

This is our time and we have to stand up--we will stand up. We will not lose our country to these thugs, thieves and traitors. To other patriots, I say, "Not on our watch!"

Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 2:35PM

Angel: Nice to be hanging around here at the same time you are for once! I usually miss you by hours.

You make an excellent point.

I guess I've just been so disappointed by what passes for Republican leadership over the last several years; yet we seem to produce little Mussolinis on the left with alarming fedundity.

I still can't quite believe that we nominated John McCain in '08. The entire Republican field made me queasy. At one point I thought Thompson was the answer, but he fizzled before I could even figure out his positions.

And so many Republicans turn out to be RINOs. I know some trolls will be quick to poitn out that government grew under Reagan, which is true - but not because he was a fan of big government. It was because the inertial momentum of The Leviathan was already unstoppable even by his tenure.

But thanks to you and others on this site - and thousands of rank-and-file Americans, perhaps we can turn this into a movement of millions that will not be ignored for once. Because that's what it will take. In my fantasies, I see five million patriots marching on Washington.

And I will add to your "not on our watch" with my own "I was NOT born to serve the state!"

Who knows, if Obama gets what he wants, maybe even Jeanine Garofalo will join us!

Angel| 9.2.09 @ 3:22PM

Why? Why bring HER up? I was having such a nice day, too. lol

I understand your disappointment, I'm an idealist, too. But, I'm also stubborn, ornery and enraged!

I know that we can do this, dear Grzmlyk, after all, we are the sons and daughters of Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson and Reagan, right?

On a personal note, I am my father's daughter and Daddy will be so upset with me if I don't defend our nation's liberty.

Excuse my prescience, but I can feel a tipping point coming soon--something is going to happen that will crystallize matters for us. I can feel it.

I hope you don't mind that I relate to you in a personal way. We have a lot in common ideologically, and it's comforting to talk to others like me. I don't feel so alone.

God bless you, Grzmlyk.

Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 4:04PM

Sorry for the Jeanine Garofalo reference.

I just think that, if Obama is allowed to enact his vision, she'll be enslaved just like the rest of us and THEN maybe libs like her would understand that it's not about hating Obama because he's black. It's about the fact that "social justice" may be a nice daydream, but when it's erected in the real world, it is ALWAYS a prison.

As for relating personally, are you kidding? It means a lot to me, Angel! I feel alone too - in the various arenas in which I've toiled in my life, I have always been the lone conservative. I dare not reveal my politics to colleagues and peers because they would ostracize me and it could affect my future (or what's left of it!).

The one or two forays I've made into voicing my opinion have been met with utter hostility and resulted in ugly confrontations. Liberals - particularly the ignorant ones with whom I am in contact - do not understand the way the world works. They are happy to comfort themselves with the hoariest of bromides such as "diversity" and "tolerance" and "caring" without recognizing the corrupt thuggery that lurks behind those soothing words.

At the time Obama was elected, I was dating a woman who voted for him because "blacks are cooler than whites." Well, that and she believes All Things Liberal are Good, and All Things Conservative are Evil. I mean, can you friggin’ believe it? No, it didn't last long. I think it ended about November 7. And yes, she is white. But white guilt, frothed up by historical ignorance and an abiding narcissism, had taken full possession of her soul. She will never understand what liberalism is all about. She will never understand what Obama is all about; and that has nothing to do whatsoever with his skin color.

So believe me, it's comforting for me to talk to you, too.

I hope you are right about us reaching a critical mass. But, given my experiences like the one above (and they are myriad), I've come to fear the worst. And even those who aren't dyed-in-the-wool liberals scare me - perhaps even more frightening is the fickle pendulum that is the general electorate. All those "independents" who seem to decide our elections tend to swing with the wind. They were brainwashed to hate Bush and everything Republican during his eight years, so of course they voted en masse for Obama.

Now they're becoming disillusioned with Obama, but even if he loses this fight - and the many more he plans to wage - should conservatism take hold again, these bobble heads will just eventually become disillusioned with that leadership and bounce back and vote in the next Marxist to run. That's what depresses me so much.

But most Americans, in the privacy of their hearts, really ARE conservative. EVEN the woman I dated! She just can't bear it. But conservatism is REALITY. I do believe that.

It's just that we have become such a wealthy society - as a rule, subsistence is not foremost on our minds when we awaken in the morning - that we have learned to indulge the luxury of entertaining our basest moral vanity; now, with the rise of Obama, so many Americans have decided to enshrine it. Bad idea.

And along with that vain desire to see themselves as having overcome the crass self-interest that is one of the hallmarks of human nature, many of these people crave, above anything else, the approbation of their peers. Hell, even I dare not speak out because of how it may affect my life.

But many people who are just as happy to equate this liberal crap with true goodness are even more reluctant to stand up and say, dammit, I'm tired of being a phony saint! I'm tired of pretending self-interest isn't a guiding force in my life! I'm tired of being TOLERANT of every perversion, every demand, every accusatory finger that's pointed at me. I'm tired of being called selfish because I don't advocate this "from each according to his needs to each according to his ability" balderdash.

There are lots of reasons why we find ourselves in this predicament - our education system being one of the biggest ones. Our young people are absolutely indoctrinated. And there's been so much wealth sloshing around this country for so long, many of these irresponsible, callow liberals have not had to reap what they have sown.

Once they are forced to lie in the bed they've made, THEN I think we will have reached critical mass.

I just pray it's not too late.

Angel| 9.2.09 @ 4:36PM

G, You need to be with your 'real' people. You're too smart and sensitive not to have sympathetic hearts and minds around you.

Your perspective is colored by the people in your life, and I sense despondency in your posts. There are many ideological soul mates out here for you: You just need more support.

Be so very glad that your relationship with that girl ended--she was trouble. She didn't deserve you anyway. Look at the hot Conservative women around--they would understand you.

Have you tried social networking with Conservatives?

Two of my older sisters are very liberal and I have a hard time when I'm visiting them--I have to get on my computer and blog with my Conservative friends to keep my sanity. Weird, but true.

It's a strange time right now; it's hard to make sense of it: But, strangely enough, I know things are going to be okay. We're here for a reason.

Grzmlyk| 9.2.09 @ 6:21PM

Thanks, Angel:

I'm of two minds about the "despondency" comment because, in my day-to-day life, I'm a pretty optimistic, upbeat person. Most people who know me think it's impossible to get a serious comment out of me because I joke around ALOT. And a quick wit is perhaps the most valuable tool I have to deflect some of the outrageous comments I regularly hear.

On the other hand, I won't deny that, since the history of civilization is mostly one of tyrannical governance, I believe we are headed inexorably toward that end - whether Obama goes down in flames or not. People who believe in big government are the ones who wind up holding the levers of power. Conservatives who don't live to tell other people how to live are very happy to do their own thing within the circle of their family and friends. Liberals always want to IMPACT society. And that's why I think you wind up with libs being the permanent class of governance.

You don't find too many bureaucrats - whether they're elementary school teachers or CIA middle managers - who vote Republican.

But you are very kind. I don't KNOW any conservatives. I haven't really done the social networking thing, but perhaps I'll give it a try.

BTW, that woman WAS trouble. We've remained friendly, but I am glad things ended very quickly. I don't need insanity in my life.

Again, you are very nice. Maybe I will try the conservative social networking route.

Angel| 9.2.09 @ 7:12PM

Isolation sucks and it can lead to a skewed perspective. I struggle with despondency, too.

Of course you're right about a lot of the difficulties now, but there's also a lot of fun out there, too, and many great people to know and love.

I laugh hard at what some of the AmSpec bloggers post--absolutely sparkling wit abounds--you're right in the middle of it!

Not fair that someone like you isn't sharing your gifts--because you've got plenty. Do you HAVE to stay at your job? It sounds like it comes with a big price tag.

G, you sound like you need to have some fun.

That's it, I'm done; I don't mean to intrude-- just know you're not alone, okay?

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WHEN WILL OUR WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS ABATE THEIR ASSAULT ON POORER AMERICANS WITH THEIR MONETARY CONTROL OF OUR IVORY TOWER U.S. CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER ???

THERE ARE NOT MANY MORE DISTRACTIONS LEFT WHICH ARE AVAILABLE FOR OUR WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS TO HIDE BEHIND IN NOT TAKING PROPER CARE OF ALL OUR AMERICANS IN A HUMANE FASHION !!!

RALPH NADER ATTEMPTED TO EDUCATE AMERICAN VOTERS ABOUT U.S. CORPORATE POWER IN AMERICA AND HOW THEY CONTROL OUR CONGRESSIONAL PEOPLE THROUGH THEIR POCKET BOOK (POLITICAL DONATIONS). * WITHOUT THE DOUGH $$$ THESE U.S. CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD DO NOT GET RE~ELECTED TO CONGRESS.*TO STAY IN POLITICAL OFFICE IN AMERICA,ONE HAS TO BARTER YOUR VOTES IN CONGRESS AND REPRESENT POWER INTERESTS IN RETURN FOR THE BUCK$.

POORER AMERICANS HAVE NEVER HAD THE $$$ LOBBY TO INFLUENCE THIS CORRUPT POLITICAL CONCEPT (of horse trading political votes for political contributions) TO ACHIEVE PROPER HEALTH ~CARE OR LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR ALL OUR MIDDLE ~ CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS.

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*** WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS (WHO ARE ONLY 1% OF OUR USA POPULATION) SADLY ALSO CONTROL HOW OUR U.S.CONGRESS SPENDS THEIR BUDGET TRILLION$ AND HAVE OBVIOUSLY FOUND MORE WORTHY INTERNATIONAL CITIZENS THEN OUR OWN DESPERATE AND NEEDY POOR TO ASSIST !!!

~Poorer Americans Nationwide only get 400 million $$$ per year for legal representation allocated them by CONGRESS~

Middle Class and Working Poor Americans are unable to afford proper legal representation in their Civil, Criminal and Family Courts of law all across America causing tremendous hardships nationwide,but these great minds and callous hearts in our American Congress have found others Worldwide more needy then their own citizens who are being falsely incarcerated,wrongfuly executed,losing their homes or apartments,losing child custody or visitation with their children etc�

Not being afforded proper legal representation by our U.S. Congress has created a total breakdown of the American judicial system for our poorer Americans because the our U.S. Courts punish all of us little people if we are not assisted with proprer legal counsel.*It is a known fact that our average Middle Class and Working Poor Americans without proper legal representation in all of our American Courts of law lose their legal cases to the better financed who are able to afford lawyers.

Lawyers For Poor Americans is now actively in the hunt for International Countries and Leaders Worldwide to help raise 5 Billion Dollar$ for our slighted poorer Americans who have had their own American Congress turn their backs on their desperate needs in not affording them proper legal representation.

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NOLIBERALS!| 9.2.09 @ 8:33PM

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