The American Spectator

Tim| 8.27.09 @ 11:26AM

The simple answer is that Catholics know that Obamacare will enshrine abortion on demand in an unassailable, tax funded, legal fortification.

crookedwren| 8.27.09 @ 12:11PM

Maybe it's because they ACTUALLY value human life! Obamacare doesn't. O's political Joneses don't. His Emanuel's don't.

For them, human life is a ratio, a burden UNLESS it bows down, in obeisance, to Maoist, Leninist doctrine -- just as O. knelt down with such alacrity before the Saudi King.

Roy| 8.27.09 @ 12:21PM

Liars, fools and moral cowards will play this game of misdirection until the earth crashes into the sun. It should be dismissed with a short bark of contemptuous laughter.

John| 8.27.09 @ 3:33PM

Yes, aparently if you are uncovered by a health insurance company, you are less human than a bundle of cells in a womb?

Also, healthcare plans have nothing to do with protecting abortion rights. Catholics can choose to endorse health care reform AND work towards limiting abortion, it works better if they negotiate to make it part of the plan instead of pretending the plan makes it legal.

Alan Brooks| 8.27.09 @ 3:54PM

alright then, health care for unborn women is a slogan.
health care for Kopechne's unborn child is another.

We're open to suggestions.

Alan Brooks| 8.27.09 @ 3:57PM

actually "health care for Kopechne's unborn child" is going too far. And it's very... retroactive.

but I heard she was pregnant is July of '69.

John| 8.27.09 @ 4:03PM

How about healthcare for everybody?

Nobama| 8.27.09 @ 5:38PM

Works for me, John; as long as you keep big government out of it.

Missy| 8.27.09 @ 5:41PM

John, if you're so proud that KennedyCare covers abortion why do your liberal leaders keep lying about it?

John| 8.27.09 @ 7:57PM

It doesnt cover abortion, it never did. And I prefer it that way, regardless of my personal beliefs, we need reform.

Missy| 8.27.09 @ 8:13PM

Now, now, John. Several of your bigger mouthed leaders have already admitted that abortion would be covered by ObamaCare. I've seen it on YouTube. Nice try with your little lie, though.

True, we need reform--just as long as fascist liberals like yourself AREN'T in charge of the reform process. We don't trust you little b@stards!

Grzmlyk| 8.28.09 @ 8:52AM

John, I am so pleased you believe in health care for everyone.

I need a hernia operation. Not a big deal, but when all is said and done, it'll run about $6,000.

I'll contact you privately to let you know where you can send the check.

BTW, I don't thank you because it's your duty.

John| 8.28.09 @ 9:32AM

Well, you can just ask your neighbor right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zeMySG_bVw

Well, thats a pre-existing condition, were I an insurance company, I'd be unable to help you. Gee, if only there was an insurance company that wouldnt exclude you if you wanted healtcare... Thats ok, call your neighbor, i'm sure he'll hand you the 6 grand. I certainly dont have it.

A side note, without the 600 billion spent in the war in iraq, the governemt could fun 100 thousand hip surgeries for you. You could be part robot, wouldnt that be cool :)

Grzmlyk| 8.28.09 @ 10:21AM

But you're not an insurance company. You are a proponent of the infinitely beneficent, let's-put-50-million-more-people-on-the-government-dole-and-not-ration-and-still-reduce-costs bandwagon.

What do you mean you don't have it? Go out and get it, you selfish bastard. Surely you aren't an advocate of putting OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY where YOUR mouth is. I know such a good citizen as yourself wouldn't shirk your responsibility to the state.

My hernia ain't gonna cure itself.

I'll expect that check pronto.

Oh and, sure, with the 600 billion spent on the Iraq war the government could fund 100,000 hip surgeries for me.

But then a terrorist bomb would no doubt obliterate the hospital in which I was having the procedure done, so, net/net? Think of that money as preventive care that guards 300 million Americans against shrapnel wounds.

John| 8.28.09 @ 10:36AM

First, i'm more than willing to have my taxes hiked to cover the 47 million unensured.

Second, there are a number of ways to pay for healthcare. Ideally, i agree, any health care company run by the government should be defecit neutral. I also know that by cutting even the 74million a year -bonuses that the CEO of Cigna gets and other such nonsense for governemnt plan alone is not enough to make the plan budget neutral, but it is the first step.

Next, people still pay premiums. They wont be nearly as high as insurance companies are, but it wont be a free handout.

Also, two plans in the works involve taxes...gasp*. A soda tax of 5 cents would just about cover it, or even a repeal of the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% could cover it. Or we could eliminate the tax loopholes too.

Look, i'm really trying to be nice about this, but basing a for profit system on human health is fundamentally flawed. All the concern over rationing? We get rationed healthcare right now.

If we get a public option, I'm probably going to stay with my healthcare provider. I get good rates, excelent coverage and I CAN. I like it, i keep it.

On another note, does it disturb anyone that car insurance is mandatory in every state (except NH), but health insurance isnt?

Grzmlyk| 8.28.09 @ 10:59AM

Boyo, you are one naive bird.

There you go, wanting to tax the wealthiest 1%. How much are you willing to have your taxes raised? Why don't you turn over your paycheck to the oh-so-wise state and let THEM decide how much you can live on?

Let me guess: you don't drink soda, which is why you think a tax on it would be fine. Why not tax everything? Why not breathing? Wouldn't that be a great idea? Oh, I forgot: That's cap-and-trade.

You liberals think the world's problems can all be solved with a tax on this or a tax on that. Always, tax more, tax more. You never seem to recognize that it's the bureaucracy that profits.

Perhaps you recall when state lotteries were initiated back in the 70s. Everyone thought this would be the answer to funding education! Hallelujah! The geniuses impose a regressive tax on the very people who cannot afford it, and 30 years later, education is still broke! How much was Medicare initially promised to cost? Social Security? Medicaid? They were only off by a factor of 10 or so. We now have an unfunded mandate of $100 trillion. But hey, it's other people's money, so what do you care?

The free market is the ONLY way to distribute resources fairly. Yes, healthcare is rationed now. Duh. All resources are finite, and therefore all resources are ipso facto rationed.

You demonize the free market but I'm guessing you've never turned down a raise in your life, even though you were perfectly capable of living on the lower salary. You capitalist swine. Well, maybe you took the salary increase and donated it to the poor. Somehow I doubt it.

And you're only being nice about it because you aren't sacrificing. Your private helath care will go away if the public option passes.

How can you liberals look at the graveyard of socialist programs the world over and not conclude that it always leads to misery? That it never, ever works? Britain is a mess, Canada's a mess, and yet we want to emulate their health care debacles? What ARE you smoking?

For the liberals who aren't crooks - that leaves the fools - socialism is always the triumph of hope over experience.

Insurance companies would not be the demons they are now without government creating artificial monopolies, mandating an ever-growing litany of premium-increasing procedures and distorting the market by creating tax incentives for employers. Insurance companies ration care now so “unfairly” because we are not responsible for the costs - we have cadillac plans with low deductibles and don't really care if we have two or three CATscans because, hey, I'm not paying for it. Auto insurance doesn’t have to cover oil changes and regular tune-ups. Come on, do a little homework.

John| 8.28.09 @ 11:26AM

I do drink soda.

Canada and Britain are not a mess. Just because Limbaugh told you a horror story or two about canada doesn't make it a horror, ask the seniors crossing the border to buy their medication.

The reason socal security and medicare cost more than they did 40 years ago? Population.

I dont see any senator passing up their government funded healthcare. And seniors love medicare. You dont really think that insurance companies deny care because of people having two or three cat scans do you? I dont know anyone with a plan like that, if they like it, i'm sure they'll keep it.

If your insurance company is being run well enough that people want it to stick around, it will. The only reason an insurance company would go under would be because people get a better offer from the government plan, otherwise, the'll have to keep prices low to compete. My healh care will stay because it offers good rates and good coverage, why would people leave?

Graveyard of socialist policies. Fire department is a single-payer system, so is the police force. So is the army. You open that up to capitalism, you get Blackwater, bunch of winners.

Look, i know this is getting heated, but i do appreciate your approach, it is well reasoned and has not once decended to the level of "death panels" or "nuke it now!" I'm enjoying this, thank you.

Nobama| 8.29.09 @ 12:50AM

John, Sarah Palin nuked your garbage quality Obama/KennedyCare with her "DEATH PANELS!!"

Ain't that great, you envious fascist liberal hater?

Majority rules! And a majority of Americans REJECT O/KennedyCare. I hope it destroys Obama's presidency, too.

Josie| 8.29.09 @ 12:53AM

Lies, lies and more liberal lies. O/KennedyCare will lead to government only health care.

John and all of his lying liberal comrades already know this.

How do you know when a liberal is lying? His lips are moving.

Josie| 8.29.09 @ 1:00AM

John is stupid and John is a liar. Senators' gold medal insurance coverage is provided by PRIVATE insurance companies.

Why do you think Obama refused to go on government insurance in the future? He's no dummy--only the best for Michelle and the kids.

Liberal elitist garbage. I don't want crappy O/KennedyCare if elitist liberals don't.

John| 8.29.09 @ 11:12AM

First of all, if you wanted to call me a socialist, you'd be wrong, but youd be in the right direction. Hell, you could call me a communist and it would still be closer than a facist.

Facism is a belief system on the right, its not a dirty name, it is a way to describe someone's political views. These are the 14 characteristics of a facist.

http://www.secularhumanism.org.....t_23_2.htm

Sounds like the bush administration to me. ANYWAY, Senators are covered by the governement, anyone who told you otherwise is lying. Every federal employee is covered by governemental health care, as is Obama, as is a significant portion of the population over 65 and making under 20k a year. The programs arent perfect, but even Michael Steele wants to keep the governement run health care of Medicare running.

And i'll only say this once. There are no such things as death panels. Only the most intentionally ignorant readings would intererpet the writing of living wills as death panels.

People like government insurance. Why do you fight this? Why do you defend insurance companies that's only role is to get rich by bargainaing against your good health? If you like getting kicked off for having a pre-existing condition, fine, you can KEEP YOUR PLAN. You are being given a choice, no one is forcing anything on you. I mean, your plan might even get cheaper if reform passes. Worries about rationing, we get that now. It seems like you care more about the health insurance companies than your health... I just... i really dont understand why you wouldnt want to inusre the 47 million without health care, it seems the ... christian thing to do.

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Nobama| 9.4.09 @ 4:30PM

John, you're wrong!! The president and congress are covered by PRIVATE INSURANCE plans administered through their employer, the federal government. You need to do some research before you spout off; you're just reading HuffPo talking points.

It makes you look foolish when you don't know what you're talking about.

We can help 15% of the population obtain insurance without destroying coverage of the other 85% who are happy and don't want government interference.

Where's YOUR Christianity?

Nobama| 9.4.09 @ 4:33PM

John, fascism and socialism are both government control of society and both are negative. Say NO to tyranny.

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