Daniel Larison and I disagreed over whether there was anything to
the Sonia Sotomayor "wise Latina" brouhaha, so not surprisingly
we disagree about this:
"What was more striking about the campaign to derail Sotomayor,
which failed yesterday as everyone knew it would, was how it
opened conservatives up to the most absurd, baseless charges of
racism and lowered the standard by which an idea, statement or
action should be considered racist." Consequently, conservatives
are in a worse position to rebut Paul Krugman's
imputation of racism to the most vocal opponents of the
Democratic health care plan.
But Krugman's complaint has been a staple of liberal
denunciations of conservatism since National Review
sided with the South against the civil-rights movement, since
Barry Goldwater won the Deep South after voting against the Civil
Rights Act of 1964, since Richard Nixon and the "Southern
Strategy," since Ronald Reagan talked about "welfare queens" and
campaigned in a Mississippi town where civil-rights workers had
been murdered, since George H.W. Bush and the Willie Horton ad,
since Jesse Helms ran the "white hands" ad, since George W. Bush
didn't sign onto a hate crimes bill bearing James Byrd's name,
since Trent Lott wished Strom Thurmond a happy birthday -- all
events far predating Sonia Sotomayor.
The only lowering of the bar that might have taken place is that
each of the above controversies had an unmistakable racial
element, just like Sotomayor's much-criticized comments
(abandoned during her confirmation hearings). Krugman is charging
racism where no explicit mention of race has even been made. But
this
line of argument predates the Sotomayor debate too. Krugman
himself was
making it before Sotomayor. The notions that conservative
populism is inherently racist and so is criticizing a liberal
black president are not new.
Perhaps conservatives will find it harder to push back against
the Krugmans of the world after their criticisms of Sotomayor --
and I happen to think there are better examples of Republicans
unjustly
crying racism (subscription required) than that particular
case. But I don't see the evidence. Look no further than the
comments thread on Daniel's post: there are plenty of liberals
who simultaneously find nothing wrong Sotomayor's "wise Latina"
speech and think culturally conservative statements are basically
racist.
Antle, while I understand your comments, you, of all people,
should know that "racism" is in the eye of the beholder. When
blacks were polled regarding the Gates/Cambridge issue, almost
90% of them said it was racism at work. I would dare say that
virtually no one who frequents the right win sites would say so.
So how do you measure racism? I accused Quin of having racially
inspired remarks and he became indignant. I grew up in a black
neighborhood and have seen forms of racism that whites would not
notice. Yet, being white and attending a primarily white college,
it became obvious to me that there was latent racism not remotely
acknowledged by my white friends.
If you believe that racism starts with discrimination, then you
must look for concrete evidence of its effects. The Republican
party has a very low percentage of blacks and Hispanics -- and
thus a form of discrimination must be in effect. I happen to
believe that some of the tea party response is racially
motivated.
Now I don't think the vast majority of people in the Republican
party are overt racists, but I do believe they favor white
opinions and white behavior. Is that a form of racism? Who knows.
But the evidence that Republicans are not as black or Hispanic
friendly is not refutable if measured by results and voter
affiliation.
So the issue here is NOT racism, but politics. The growing
demographic segments of our country are young, black, and
Hispanic. These groups will see the Republicans actions as racist
whether they are or not. That is the problem with the party.
With the Gates/Cambridge issue, I believed that both the cop and
Gates went beyond reason. They both had their testosterone
pumping and did what males have done for ages -- locked horns.
If you had spent much time on the streets of NY, you'd know that
all minorities use comments like "wise Latina" as an
overstatement that is part bravado and part comedy. It is a
typical "Bronx" thing. Do I think that the statement was a smart
thing for her to say? Absolutely not. Was it racist? To those of
us who grew up in minority communities, absolutely not. To those
with a lily white evangelical background? Most assuredly.
This issue will hurt Republicans in the large and growing
Hispanic community. Whether it was racist or not depends on the
individual. The issue was not really this statement, but the
social conservative belief that she will vote for abortion
rights. I would guarantee that if Sotomayor was known to be
pro-life and pro-gun, no one would have brought the speech up.
Oldefarte| 8.10.09 @ 2:16PM
To the """BOB'S"""" out there, let me 'SPLAIN' the situation! If
and until, the African-American; Hispanic-American;
Irish-American; Italian-American;etc 'COMMUNITIES' drop the
prefixes; and become simply ''' AMERICANS"""; nothing will ever
change or be accompolished in this racism issue. All of us are
something Americans [or some kind of --- Americans]; but to
emphasize the prefix to the word, instead of the word itself, the
unification and blending of the cultures will never happen. Quit
trying to be this,that or the other Americans, and become
simply---------AMERICANS. If black children stop wearing baggy
pants around their ankles and listening to hip-hop, gangster rap
[and maybe listen to classical (true) music]; start studying and
taking advantage of their free public education provided by
taxpayers; stop comitting crimes and being jailed accordingly for
same; etc; maybe just maybe things like the charges of RACISM etc
will eventually disappear. Maybe if Obama would stop defending
his BLACK friends [ie Gates] and stop calling everyday American
citizens the MOB; maybe RACISM will no longer be an issue. Quit
trying to be SEPERATE and become parts of the whole
picture!!!!!!!!!
Bob| 8.10.09 @ 2:56PM
Well, it looks like "Oldfarte" gave away his own racial bias in
this statement:
"If black children stop wearing baggy pants around their ankles
and listening to hip-hop, gangster rap [and maybe listen to
classical (true) music]; start studying and taking advantage of
their free public education provided by taxpayers; stop comitting
crimes and being jailed accordingly for same..."
Well, people, welcome to racist America. Actually, Oldfarte,
about 80% of hip-hop listeners are white. Baggy pants are worn by
white kids more than blacks -- especially the skaters and
skateboarders, and there is no evidence that whites listen to
classical music more than blacks.
It is your characterization that is even worse than one being
proud of their heritage. You've proven my point -- you're a
racist and don't even realize it.... Thank you....
A proud Mesopotamian American....
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.10.09 @ 4:01PM
Olde Farte. Congratulations!
I THINK you were talking about kids joining the mainstream of a
better life.
Don't worry about Bob. He has finally admitted to being a towel
head (heh)...(mesopotamia, get it?)
So why did his parents come here?
To give little Wahed access to a computer of course.
Hey Wahed, every single human alive has racial "bias"...IE:
he/she aint just like me?
Hell my own kids wear their pants down around their butts like
jailbirds who had their belts taken away.
40% of those jailbirds are black...out of a poulation percentage
of 12%.....duh, just true.
Bob is biased as well. Anyone over 80 IQ is hated by him...they
are Americans like Olde Farte.
Bob| 8.10.09 @ 12:57PM
Antle, while I understand your comments, you, of all people, should know that "racism" is in the eye of the beholder. When blacks were polled regarding the Gates/Cambridge issue, almost 90% of them said it was racism at work. I would dare say that virtually no one who frequents the right win sites would say so.
So how do you measure racism? I accused Quin of having racially inspired remarks and he became indignant. I grew up in a black neighborhood and have seen forms of racism that whites would not notice. Yet, being white and attending a primarily white college, it became obvious to me that there was latent racism not remotely acknowledged by my white friends.
If you believe that racism starts with discrimination, then you must look for concrete evidence of its effects. The Republican party has a very low percentage of blacks and Hispanics -- and thus a form of discrimination must be in effect. I happen to believe that some of the tea party response is racially motivated.
Now I don't think the vast majority of people in the Republican party are overt racists, but I do believe they favor white opinions and white behavior. Is that a form of racism? Who knows.
But the evidence that Republicans are not as black or Hispanic friendly is not refutable if measured by results and voter affiliation.
So the issue here is NOT racism, but politics. The growing demographic segments of our country are young, black, and Hispanic. These groups will see the Republicans actions as racist whether they are or not. That is the problem with the party.
With the Gates/Cambridge issue, I believed that both the cop and Gates went beyond reason. They both had their testosterone pumping and did what males have done for ages -- locked horns.
If you had spent much time on the streets of NY, you'd know that all minorities use comments like "wise Latina" as an overstatement that is part bravado and part comedy. It is a typical "Bronx" thing. Do I think that the statement was a smart thing for her to say? Absolutely not. Was it racist? To those of us who grew up in minority communities, absolutely not. To those with a lily white evangelical background? Most assuredly.
This issue will hurt Republicans in the large and growing Hispanic community. Whether it was racist or not depends on the individual. The issue was not really this statement, but the social conservative belief that she will vote for abortion rights. I would guarantee that if Sotomayor was known to be pro-life and pro-gun, no one would have brought the speech up.
Oldefarte| 8.10.09 @ 2:16PM
To the """BOB'S"""" out there, let me 'SPLAIN' the situation! If and until, the African-American; Hispanic-American; Irish-American; Italian-American;etc 'COMMUNITIES' drop the prefixes; and become simply ''' AMERICANS"""; nothing will ever change or be accompolished in this racism issue. All of us are something Americans [or some kind of --- Americans]; but to emphasize the prefix to the word, instead of the word itself, the unification and blending of the cultures will never happen. Quit trying to be this,that or the other Americans, and become simply---------AMERICANS. If black children stop wearing baggy pants around their ankles and listening to hip-hop, gangster rap [and maybe listen to classical (true) music]; start studying and taking advantage of their free public education provided by taxpayers; stop comitting crimes and being jailed accordingly for same; etc; maybe just maybe things like the charges of RACISM etc will eventually disappear. Maybe if Obama would stop defending his BLACK friends [ie Gates] and stop calling everyday American citizens the MOB; maybe RACISM will no longer be an issue. Quit trying to be SEPERATE and become parts of the whole picture!!!!!!!!!
Bob| 8.10.09 @ 2:56PM
Well, it looks like "Oldfarte" gave away his own racial bias in this statement:
"If black children stop wearing baggy pants around their ankles and listening to hip-hop, gangster rap [and maybe listen to classical (true) music]; start studying and taking advantage of their free public education provided by taxpayers; stop comitting crimes and being jailed accordingly for same..."
Well, people, welcome to racist America. Actually, Oldfarte, about 80% of hip-hop listeners are white. Baggy pants are worn by white kids more than blacks -- especially the skaters and skateboarders, and there is no evidence that whites listen to classical music more than blacks.
It is your characterization that is even worse than one being proud of their heritage. You've proven my point -- you're a racist and don't even realize it.... Thank you....
A proud Mesopotamian American....
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.10.09 @ 4:01PM
Olde Farte. Congratulations!
I THINK you were talking about kids joining the mainstream of a better life.
Don't worry about Bob. He has finally admitted to being a towel head (heh)...(mesopotamia, get it?)
So why did his parents come here?
To give little Wahed access to a computer of course.
Hey Wahed, every single human alive has racial "bias"...IE: he/she aint just like me?
Hell my own kids wear their pants down around their butts like jailbirds who had their belts taken away.
40% of those jailbirds are black...out of a poulation percentage of 12%.....duh, just true.
Bob is biased as well. Anyone over 80 IQ is hated by him...they are Americans like Olde Farte.