The American Spectator

Faith| 8.8.09 @ 7:16PM

CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, LAT, WaPo and Daily Kos ARE ALL THE SAME, Matt. They all belong to Soros. They protected and lied for Obama and that's how the Marxist Community Organizer got elected.

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 7:50PM

If the American Spectator had any integrity it would descry the inflammatory rhetoric accompanying much of the "skepticism" towards health care reform to which you refer.

Corporate shills masquerading as grass roots organizations are feeding downright lies to people about the nature of legislation being considered. These lies include the notion that the bills in Congress would mandate euthanasia, abortion, and even sex change operations!

Furthermore, right wing pundits and columnists -- including you, Mr. Vadum -- have resorted to rash, completely irresponsible rhetoric about the president and the Democrats, including explicit claims that the Democrats are "fascists" or Nazis. Limbaugh's insane rant this week, which was riddled with factual errors and distortions, was only one example of this deeply un-American language.

Ultimately this language opens to the door to political violence, and I'm no longer convinced that political violence is something people on the right -- including Limbaugh -- would consider unwelcome or "off the table."

To kill a fascist is a time-honored duty of any American; our fathers and grandfathers died by the hundreds of thousands fighting them in Europe.

By attempting to appropriate that great, noble mission -- undertaken against Republican objections -- in service of opposition to a health care reform act is contemptible and wrong, and by even tacitly encouraging violence against the government, or assassination of the president, this language is complicit in what would be acts of terrorism.

Even more shameful still is that these lawless town hall mobs actually disrupt the forum in which citizens who might wish to voice concern or rational skepticism about these bills can speak, thus depriving them of their right to express political views to their representatives.

We all know what's going on here. The right has made a simple, and in my view accurate, calculation.

If debate on health care is sober, rational, civil, and genuinely democratic, the people will move toward reform. It might not be the reform I'd most want, but some kind of reform would be enacted.

This is unacceptable to the right, and so they have determined that at any cost they will intimidate, frustrate, interrupt, and even threaten those who would engage in that process.

KevlarKevin| 8.8.09 @ 8:03PM

Descry?

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 8:23PM

Nice question, Kevlar.

"Descry" is a rich word.

If I'm not mistaken, its etymology leads back to the Old French "descrier," meaning "to call out, to observe" but also to accuse, or uncover (as an "injurious revelation").

In middle and modern English it carried these meanings, although most modern usage is whittled down to the idea of observing or recognizing. Shakespeare's usage -- always authoritative -- often carried with it the sense of accusing something to be harmful.

tonypal| 8.8.09 @ 8:34PM

Liberal Reader:

You, like so many other statists, rail against the people attending these townhall meetings as being members of a mob, disrupting the proceedings. Obviously, you are deeply concerned with what's going on and find it offensive.

Perhaps, what you really find most offensive is the fact that the right is starting to throw the left's tactics back in the left's face. You guys are experts at disrupting speech. Recall the Minutemen being shouted down at Columbia University (don't care what you think of them - they have free speech rights). How about the rash of pie throwing incidents at various colleges across the country, with conservative speakers being assaulted by frustrated liberal prop comics.

If we go back further in time, wasn't it the left that shut down college campuses in the 60's as a form of protest? The bottom line is that your side has a long, rich history of disrupting the free speech of those with whom you disagree. Now that you're getting a dose of your own medicine, you don't like it. Well here's a little hint for what's to come: The more people like you whine about it, the more you will encourage us. In fact, for the first time in my life, I will be attending a townhall in NJ on August 26th. Can't wait to let loose. Thanks for the encouragement.

Roy| 8.8.09 @ 8:36PM

Liberal Reader:

Horse waste.

We all want "reform", my definition of "reform", however, is the polar opposite of Obama's.

Only dishonest spinning, bordering on lying, depicts the debate as being over whether or not there should be "reform". The debate is over the size and scope of government. Obama believes government's control over healthcare should go from being directly responsible for 50% and massively interfering in the rest, to being directly responsible for 70% or more and interfering even further in the rest.

Conservatives want the opposite reform, where government interference and government control and government taxation, become LESS important.

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 8:43PM

Roy --

Your understanding of "government control" is not accurate.

First, government is already involved. If you receive health insurance at work, you're receiving tax free income. For some, that income can mean as much as 40,000 dollars a year. The government is essentially subsidizing that coverage.

The government also picks up the 100 billion dollar a year tab for the uninsured, people who either choose not to get coverage or who are to poor to afford it.

The Congress is considering a public option that would accept ANYONE. It is estimated that 3-4 million people would join: that is, about one percent of the population.

How is that government "control" of health care.

Listen, the Republicans AND their "free market" approach had SIX YEARS to lead us to the Promised Land. The result? 14,000 people a day losing coverage and price skyrocketing so fast they'll BUST this country in 10 years.

If we don't do something about that, we're screwed.

Any ideas? If so, please send them to your representative (politely), because we sure as hell need them.

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 8:44PM

CORRECTION:

The government picks up MUCH OF the 100 billion dollar a year tab -- but not ALL of it. Some is paid by charities or by providers themselves. Credit where credit's due.

NobamaCare| 8.8.09 @ 8:51PM

The only one ranting about violence here is a LIBERAL; the only ones committing violent acts on the street are LIBERALS.

See a pattern here?

What are you going to do, LR/Jeremiah--stomp your feet and hold your breath until we promise to stop calling you a fascist? Or are you gonna call out your Union goons to beat us up like Obama did?

Well, turn blue, you little fascist traitor.

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 9:00PM

Fuck you, Nobama Care.

NOBAMACARE!| 8.8.09 @ 9:25PM

LT/Jeremiah is a hack! He said that we need ObamaCare because everyday 14,000 Americans lose their insurance coverage. What LR/J didn't say is that those 14,000 Americans a day are losing their jobs because of Obama's economic policies.

Almost 3 million Americans have lost their jobs since Obama took office in January. Number of job losses are: Feb 09--651,000/Mar--663,000/Apr--539,000/May--345,000/June--443,000/July--247,000.

These figures do not include the 750,000 unemployed who've slipped off the books in July, those who have stopped looking for work and those who are now working part time.

Did Obama make the fiscal crisis worse so that the greater numbers of unemployed would demand health insurance from the government?

Like the suspiciously prescient political hack, Rahm Emanuel stated, "Don't waste a good crisis." Sounds kind of FISHY to me, kind of Alinskyish.

NOBAMACARE| 8.8.09 @ 9:34PM

Right back at you, you shitty little creep.

Bet you wish you could sic your goons on me: But you can't because you mofos haven't had enough time to fund, organize and train your civilian security force yet. Our little rebellion caught you mothers flat footed.

WOLVERINES!!

I Conner Klast| 8.8.09 @ 10:19PM

Mr Cooper hasn't read his Democrat e-mail. Protesters are no longer mocked as "tea-baggers". Now they are called nazis, brownshirts, mobsters and "Brooks Brother Brigades" whatever the hell that means. Flog@WhiteHouse.gov

Micah| 8.8.09 @ 11:22PM

It always smells so much better on this blog when that little a$$hole troll gets run off.

louis c| 8.9.09 @ 12:36AM

If profanity/obscenity offends, stop reading now.

I think we should substitute "people who like scrotums dipped into their open mouths" for teabaggers. It would go a long way in demonstrating how foul, vulgar, and adolescent these intellectuals truly are.

independentjoe| 8.9.09 @ 12:41AM

There is something prophetic in noting that the Tea Baggers in the schuffle at the Russ Carnahan Town Hall wore brown shirts......they are what they call others......hypocrisy is the tea baggers main weapon just as those who called Clinton a cheater were found to cheat many times over themselves in their private lives - they have the plank in their eye!

independentjoe| 8.9.09 @ 12:42AM

There is something prophetic in noting that the Tea Baggers in the schuffle at the Russ Carnahan Town Hall wore brown shirts......they are what they call others......hypocrisy is the tea baggers main weapon just as those who called Clinton a cheater were found to cheat many times over themselves in their private lives - they have the plank in their eye!

NOBAMACARE| 8.9.09 @ 1:34AM

You mean that little old lady, or perhaps the young woman with the baby in her arms: They wore brown shirts? I think you mean those brutish Union thugs Obama called in to crack heads were the real fascists.

Stoopid.

Liza| 8.9.09 @ 1:53AM

Brownshirts took orders from Hitler.

We don't have a Hitler--but you do.

PharmerD| 8.9.09 @ 2:23AM

Liberals might call us teabaggers but we should call them for what they are, douche bags. I don't know of any liberal who is not one. As soon as I hear them talk or read their responses I think, oh no, a douche bag. Obama, both Clintons, Pelosi, Gore, Barney Frank, Liberal Reader, douche bags sum it up.

Matthew Vadum| 8.9.09 @ 2:31AM

Liberal Reader can't stop lying and using rhetorical misdirection.

He/she/it writes: "Ultimately this language opens to the door to political violence, and I'm no longer convinced that political violence is something people on the right -- including Limbaugh -- would consider unwelcome or 'off the table.'"

So far the ONLY political violence at the healthcare townhalls has been committed by people on the left, especially Democrats and union thugs. And the left is using violent imagery, e.g. urging activists et al to hit back twice as hard.

The left accuses the right of the same things that the left is doing while inciting other leftists to violence. So far it's not working.

No wonder you left-wing nutters got written up in that DHS report. You're a menace to society.

G. A. Kevis| 8.9.09 @ 9:31AM

Again, HUffington posters infiltrate this
outpost - but, I digress.

As to this example of a swamp thing
in the LMSM deprecating - should one say
defecating on American CITIZENS - pray
tell: what else is novel.

Warrior| 8.9.09 @ 9:45AM

At least when bankruptcy sets in, ACORN will be well funded and there will be a safe path for turtles to cross a road in Florida.

Mary| 8.9.09 @ 10:01AM

I agree w/MV: the aggression is coming from the "winning" side. Noonan seems to be getting it too, now. Better late than never. She said some of the protestors who are being called Nazis look like they might have actually fought the Nazis.

The Right has begun to use the Left's tactics; albeit with representatives who are cleaner, neater and who can make both love and war.

Boisterous enthusiastic dissent is in this Nation's DNA. Pressure should be kept up. We need really good polemic too. Not nasty; ironic first, derisive, second.

Don't know if this was already linked by Mr. Klein? I scanned one of his pieces earlier in the week, so you may have already had a look-see. But in case you didn't, this is a very important speech to listen to. Contrary to the aphorism, this great Brit sees in America not an eternal interest, but an eternal friend. He has affection for US and for our Founding, and doesn't want to see us become "less American." May we take his words to heart.

Hannan's speeches are great because they deal in practice and not theory. A Buddhist friend of mine was told by his Sensei that "everything was in the balls." Hannan's language, both direct and profound, is fine example of this. He's a very well-educated man. One with a profound respect for History and continuity. He knows, we all know, what is presently being advanced legislatively is not hale. Hell, it's probably not even been read.

This is an old, old argument. The one that says life has become too complicated for citizens to govern themselves. Reagan touched on this in one of his speeches. But this is an autocratic and despotic notion whose radices reach way back to antiquity. Americans instinctively reject this; most especially the vibrant, self-reliant, middle-class. It's that rejection you're seeing at these Town Hall meetings.

We are the United States of America, and we don't do maudlin, defeated, enervating autocracy.

Maybe now we'll understand the importance of a healthy, vigorous and self-defended minority.

Over at NRO this week, John Derbyshire wrote that while he couldn't offer attribution, and ventured the guess that it was Voegelin, he recalled the following: "Left-liberalism is a Christian heresy. Communism is a Jewish heresy and fascism is a pagan heresy." We find ourselves in the early stages, thus still able to reject the governing philosophy, that renders everything possible by the rise of an unmoored humanism. Neibhur, whatever good intentions, is a great friend to both the first heresy and the third.

In case link doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/n4suhv

Ken (Old Texican)| 8.9.09 @ 11:11AM

Liberal Reader, you are simply a Liar. 'nuff said.

PharmarD...Uh' sir we do not use douche-bag language here on this site....

PLEASE PASS THE VINEGAR AND WATER DOWN TO LIBERAL READER AT THE END OF THE BAR...
hEH!

Matthew Vadum| 8.9.09 @ 1:48PM

A clarification because late last night I wrote something that was unclear. (Unclear pronoun references tend to muck things up.)

I wrote above: "The left accuses the right of the same things that the left is doing while inciting other leftists to violence. So far it's not working. "

What I meant was the left is inciting leftists to violence but so far the strategy (the "it" referenced) is not working in the sense that it is not helping the left advance its cause in healthcare. So far the approach is backfiring.

Liberal Reader| 8.9.09 @ 3:14PM

NobamaCare, If I knew where you lived I send my union friends to pay you a visit. I know you think gay men like me are weak but we have strong friends.

The Jig's UP| 8.9.09 @ 3:38PM

Liberal Reader| 8.8.09 @ 9:00PM
Fuck you, Nobama Care.

Typical of the losing and desperate left. You can dish it out, put you can't take it. So, F##K YOU.

ds80| 8.9.09 @ 4:14PM

Before immediately scrolling past it, every time I see a post that starts with "Liberal Reader" I mentally tell him to stuff his carefully calibrated erudite sniffiness where the sun don't shine.

Then I scroll, And continue reading.

Basil Plumley| 8.9.09 @ 4:53PM

Liberal Reader-

Over the time you have posted here, you have been so many different people wearing so many hats posting under different handles. The only thing that has been consistent is you have always told lies, accused people of lying, and play the victim.

Now you want to threaten like a cheap bully. Have you any dignity? Any pride?
Oh wait; if you did you would be "conservative reader".

ConservativeReader| 8.9.09 @ 6:00PM

You people are not conservatives.Your the lunatic fringe.

NOBAMACARE| 8.9.09 @ 7:13PM

At first, I thought ConservativeReader was Liberal Reader trying to trick us; then I saw the butchered English and realized it couldn't be our clever, erudite troll.

Unless of course, that's another trick by LibReader/Jeremiah. As much as the little monster pi$$es me off, I still kinda like him/her/it.

ConservativeReader| 8.9.09 @ 7:15PM

correction:you're the lunatic fringe.You are very scary people.

JimE| 8.9.09 @ 7:32PM

Once again L/R reader blindly lashes out in frustration because he lacks the mental skill to debate an issue. He only knows what the magic negro's propaganda machine has fed him.

Liberal Reader| 8.9.09 @ 7:58PM

The Baggers are the ones who are frustrated.

Like I said, the tea-bag / birther suite of resentful fringe-dwelling, tin-foil hat-wearing, black-helicopter-fearing, race-baiting hysterics KNOW that a sober, rational public debate on health care reform will ultimately give Obama a huge victory.

So, they've decided to thwart the attempt of people to have that debate. They'll howl, they'll chant, they'll call names and taunt, they'll threaten, cojole, and do anything they can to stop reasonable public discourse about this issue.

If they're Rush Limbaugh or Matthew Vadum they'll use language that may even insight the wing-nuts to violence.

I don't think it's going to work. Those job numbers the other day, which must've been deeply disappointing to many of you, may suggest a growing dynamism in the economy. If Obama gets some street-cred on domestic policy, they'll get health care.

And you know what?

NO POLITICIAN, no matter how much noise they're willing to make about "socialized medicine," is willing to campaign against Medicare.

The reason? Warts and all, Medicare is hugely popular. It's deeply flawed, but NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN will publicly speak against it, because if he did, his constituents would fire him -- or worse.

Same will be true if they pass this public option. It'll be popular, and it'll work.

Liberal Reader| 8.9.09 @ 8:02PM

Keep the aspidistra flying, comrades!

Liberal Reader| 8.9.09 @ 8:15PM

Breve tempus est et arduum est negotium agere vere Christianum.
Erasmus

NO OBAMA DEATH PANELS| 8.9.09 @ 8:53PM

ObamaCare is dead and the moron in chief knows it.

Already a majority (52%) of Americans don't want it and that number will grow once everybody understands that their grandparents' lives are at stake.

Increase the pressure, patriots!

JUST SAY NO!| 8.9.09 @ 8:58PM

Obama cooked the unemployment numbers and everybody knows it. They don't matter anyway because Health care legislation is coming up fast and unemployment is still outrageously high.

We've got to strangle ObamaCare in its crib before ObamaCare strangles our loved ones!

NOBAMACARE| 8.9.09 @ 9:09PM

As Andy Stern, the thug President of SEIU Union smugly stated, " We prefer to use the POWER OF PERSUASION, but if that doesn't work, we use the PERSUASION OF POWER."

LR/Jeremiah, the erudite academic, is the power of persuasion and the Union goons beating up patriotic Conservatives at town halls are the persuasion of power. Two sides of the same coin of liberals' strategy of persuasion.

Like Communism--The velvet glove and the iron fist, right, Jeremiah?

I see right through you. You are just a weak weenie coward glued to your computer screen, hiding behind your pretty words. Creepy, crappy troll.

Mary| 8.9.09 @ 9:17PM

Meet The mob.

It's not just Grandma. But let's stick with her, and the ability to answer a question on whether the Spirit can be taken into consideration.

Links: http://tinyurl.com/nh7uxg
http://tinyurl.com/lpxmur

HIPPIE| 8.9.09 @ 9:18PM

Wow man,you guys are really a drag.Be cool. Love is where it's at.My bag is peace.Dig it .

Curtis Rasmussen| 8.9.09 @ 10:12PM

I have been threatened with physical violence only once when a partisan hack called and asked me to tow the Democrat party line. When I told them what I thought about their candidates without insulting them personally, the person on the other end went ballistic, unloading a dumpster full of expletives into my phone.

I then countered with one small slur, just one, to put her in her place, even though I am a member of the same minority, and hung up.

5 minutes later someone else called my answering machine and threatened to get the guys and come over and kick my ass. For 3 minutes this violent rant went on, with the original caller whimpering in the background. At least that caller was temporarily useless for calling anyone else with her vile tongue.

Also, as far as I am concerned, the tactics that Liberal Reader accuses conservatives of using have been the socialist, far left tactic for decades. The only reason they accuse us of it is they find it hard for independent people to act on ther own behalf instead of being sheep that must be organised and paid.

LIBERAL READER, kiss my ass, you presumptuous flea.

Basil Plumley| 8.9.09 @ 10:53PM

Liberal Reader-

Unfortunately for us normal folks, the only thing flying is your soiled diaper. Thanks for sharing the innermost thoughts of a strange, warped person. Now go home and cry to your mommy.

Caroline| 8.9.09 @ 11:11PM

Basil, unfortunately for LR/Jeremiah, Axelrod and Emanuel have taken over mommy duties for the little troll. Jeremiah is a child of the mommy state.

SoCon| 8.9.09 @ 11:16PM

Curtis, surely you jest. What about the vaunted 'tolerance' of the left I've heard so much about (ad nauseam)?

Pukers and bottom feeders, aren't they?

@tonypal| 8.10.09 @ 5:07AM

And please don't forget that the KKK, a group founded by Democrats, routinely used various means of social intimidation to "organize" election-fraud/voter intimidation in favor of Democratic candidates. They even went so far as to "run-off" Republican politicians.
Same s--t, different century.

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Rocco| 8.10.09 @ 7:06AM

"Faith| 8.8.09 @ 7:16PM
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, LAT, WaPo and Daily Kos ARE ALL THE SAME, Matt. They all belong to Soros. They protected and lied for Obama and that's how the Marxist Community Organizer got elected. "

Exactly. Who gives a sh@t what these a$$clowns think? I quit watching / reading them years ago!

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