Drudge has been pumping up a video purporting
to show Obama in March 2007 telling the SEIU that his health care
plan would eliminate private health coverage. I haven’t blogged
about it at this point because the video only excerpted a short
clip, and I didn’t want to pass judgment until I heard the full
context of his quote. I was able to track down the full video of
his question and answer session, and wanted to set the record
straight about what Obama did and didn’t say. Let me start by
quoting Obama’s fuller statement (bold refers to section in the
Drudge-linked video):
“As I indicated before, I think we’re going to have to have
some system where people can buy into a larger pool. Right now
their pool is typically their employer, but there are other
ways of doing it. I would hope that we could set up a
system that allows those who can’t go through their employer to
access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I
don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer
coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some
transition process. I can envision a decade out, or 15 years
out, or 20 years out, where we’ve got a much more
portable system, employers still have the option of providing
coverage, but many people may find that they get better
coverage or at least coverage that gives them more for the
health care dollars that they spend outside of their employer,
and I think we’ve got to facilitate that and let individuals
make that choice to transition out of employer coverage. I do
believe that employers are going to have to pay or play. I
think that employers either have to provide health care
coverage for their employees, or they’ve got to make a decision
that they’re going to help pay for those who don’t have
coverage outside the employer system, so I think that’s one
important principle.”
(Video below, relevant section begins around the 1:25 minute
mark.)
Some background. There are health care policy experts on both the
left and right who agree that the employer-based insurance system
is problematic because people can’t take their health insurance
from job to job and losing a job can often mean losing one’s
health coverage. But these experts offer drastically different
remedies. Advocates of a free market system argue for changing
the tax code that currently discriminates against those
purchasing insurance on their own to the advantage of those
purchasing insurance through their employers. Such a change would
not only address the portability issue, but also give people an
incentive to search for better deals, since they’d be paying
rather than their employers. But liberals argue, fundamentally,
that there can’t be a functional market for individual insurance
because in order to get a good deal on insurance a person needs
to be part of a larger pool, typically either an employer or the
government. And this is the point Obama is trying to make.
In the video, when Obama talks about creating a different sort of
pool, he’s referring to what is now being described as a
government insurance exchange, along the lines of what they have
in Massachusetts. What he’s saying is that he wants to give
people the option of either getting insurance through their
employers, or through the government exchange. Over time,
he says, he can see that leading to a system in which most (if
not all) people buy their health insurance at a government store
instead of through their employers. Would this be the same as
eliminating private insurance? Not technically, since private
insurers could do business through the exchange. But at the same
time, all of the private insurers would be subject to much more
government control, and if Obama gets his way, they’d have to go
up against a new government-run plan that would also be offered
on the exchange.
It’s important to note that these comments were made just two
months after Obama announced he was going to run for president,
and before he even had a formal plan. Now we have actual bills to
look at and thus can see how they stack up against what he talked
about in the March 2007 remarks.
On one hand, the House Democrats’ bill, once implemented, would
not allow individuals to purchase insurance outside of a
government store. (More detail
here). On the other hand, much to the chagrin of liberals,
the Democratic bills also restrict the ability of an individual
already covered by his or her employer to opt out of that plan
and purchase health insurance through the government exchange. In
other words, one provision would accelerate the number of people
who buy their insurance through government, while the other would
place limitations on it.
The Drudge-linked video also includes the 2003 clip of Obama
arguing that he favors a single-payer health care system to the
AFL-CIO, as well as clips of Democratic Reps. Barney Frank and
Jan Schakowsky arguing that offering a government-run plan (or
“public option”) will lead to single-payer over time. Taken
together, I think this highlights Democratic double-talk on
health care. When speaking to liberal audiences who want a
single-payer system, Democrats will argue to them that offering a
government-run plan within a government-run exchange is the
politically pragmatic way of getting to a single-payer system
over time. But when addressing the general public, they talk
about the government plan merely as something that will provide
people with “choice” and foster “competition.” They don’t get to
have it both ways.
That's only true if they are made to account for their
inconsistencies.
The MSM, which still has significant influence, won't call them
to account, which leaves only the political opposition. For
better or worse, we're stuck with the Republican caucuses in the
House & Senate, some members of which are more interested in
getting good press coverage than in dealing with the issue
responsibly.
The left is willing to accept Incrementalism as long as it
eventually leads to the results they hope to obtain.
Conservatives never obtain the reins of power long enough to
completely roll back the creeping Socialism. What we end up with
is two steps backwards, and one step forward -- with the country
eventually backing into a Social Democracy like what we see in
Europe.
They know that they will eventually win, because their lies
promise Utopia, and the people have been dumbed down to the point
that they believe it.
Things are going to get very bleak...before we kick the
communists' butts...OUT!
remember...action=reaction
Team America is all about going seven or eight steps back toward
constitutional government.
Stay tuned here.
We pay the bills...we are going to take the country back.
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its values is to keep it ignorant of its history. Home News To Note About Me What Obama Said to SEIU Finally, the entire video and the whole quote in context. Check out Philip Klein’s post from American Spectator . This shows the President’s and the Democrats’ desire to change the structure of the system. Bankrupt capitalism, increase unemployment to double digits, increase worry…
dismayed| 8.4.09 @ 5:40PM
I am more shocked by the full quoted text, where Obama says, "I
think that employers either have to provide health care coverage
for their employees, or they’ve got to make a decision that
they’re going to help pay for those who don’t have coverage
outside the employer system, so I think that’s one important
principle." In essence, he is implementing a single payer system
because there no employer out there who will pay for an employee
option, AND then pay on top for the other option. It will just
elect to pay for the government option and leave employees to
figure it themselves.
If this passes, it will end badly for employees either in the
form of poor health care options or companies laying them off to
cut costs necessary to offset the inevitable stagging cost of
this disaster.
…plan. Which tells me that Ms. Douglass wasn’t much use to the public at ABC News, and that we will see her or another mouthpiece scurry to unleash another salvo. Philip Klein has an excellent piece with some useful background information. The conventional wisdom used to be that you should never pick an argument with someone who buys ink by the ton. I doubt it’s a sound idea to pick a fight…
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The debacle of this president’s administration is both a cause
and a symptom of the decline of American values. Unless Congress
impeaches him, that decline will go on unchecked. An eminent jurist
surveys the damage and assesses the chances for the recovery of our
culture.
The American Christmas, like the songs that celebrate it,
makes room for everybody under the rainbow. Is that why so
many people seem to be hostile to it?
BD57| 8.4.09 @ 11:44AM
"They don't get to have it both ways."
That's only true if they are made to account for their inconsistencies.
The MSM, which still has significant influence, won't call them to account, which leaves only the political opposition. For better or worse, we're stuck with the Republican caucuses in the House & Senate, some members of which are more interested in getting good press coverage than in dealing with the issue responsibly.
David Hinz | 8.4.09 @ 12:14PM
The left is willing to accept Incrementalism as long as it eventually leads to the results they hope to obtain. Conservatives never obtain the reins of power long enough to completely roll back the creeping Socialism. What we end up with is two steps backwards, and one step forward -- with the country eventually backing into a Social Democracy like what we see in Europe.
They know that they will eventually win, because their lies promise Utopia, and the people have been dumbed down to the point that they believe it.
Old Texican| 8.4.09 @ 1:46PM
David
Good insight!
Our country HAS NEVER been here before.
Things are going to get very bleak...before we kick the communists' butts...OUT!
remember...action=reaction
Team America is all about going seven or eight steps back toward constitutional government.
Stay tuned here.
We pay the bills...we are going to take the country back.
Bailey| 8.4.09 @ 2:24PM
Double-talk is just a silly euphemism for lies.
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What Obama Actually Said links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
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What Obama Said to SEIU « Get d'Clu links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
dismayed| 8.4.09 @ 5:40PM
I am more shocked by the full quoted text, where Obama says, "I think that employers either have to provide health care coverage for their employees, or they’ve got to make a decision that they’re going to help pay for those who don’t have coverage outside the employer system, so I think that’s one important principle." In essence, he is implementing a single payer system because there no employer out there who will pay for an employee option, AND then pay on top for the other option. It will just elect to pay for the government option and leave employees to figure it themselves.
If this passes, it will end badly for employees either in the form of poor health care options or companies laying them off to cut costs necessary to offset the inevitable stagging cost of this disaster.
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Byte fight! « Time for Thorns links to this page. Here’s an excerpt: