Michael Tomasky
argues that moderate Democrats have their political interests
all wrong on Obamacare:
These Democrats, from red or just-barely blue states, are by
longstanding habit terrified of associating themselves with
anything that is remotely associated with a tax or an expanded
government. This is well known.
What's less well known is the counter-argument. If the
president of their party goes down in flames on a major bill,
and the Republicans can do a war dance on his (political)
grave, whom does that hurt?
It hurts all Democrats, but most of all it hurts the most
vulnerable ones - the ones from red or barely-blue states. In
other words, them!
Imagine that Obama loses on healthcare. His approval rating
sags to 42%. The Republicans stand to make gains in 2010. Where
are they going to make them? Not in the navy-blue districts
represented by the solons who are certainly going to vote for
whatever plan emerges. They're going to make their gains in the
marginal, gettable districts and states.
So: is Ben Nelson better off making sure his named isn't
attached to a liberal-ish reform bill? Or is he better off
lashing his fate's to his president's?
I say he's a lot better off if the president of his party
succeeds.
All things being equal, yes, Democrats across the board will be
better off if Barack Obama remains popular. The Republicans'
whole electoral strategy is just a bet that he won't. But
Tomasky's argument is flawed. People's attitudes about politics
may be closer to sports fandom than I'd like, but it doesn't all
come down to winning and losing Washington legislative battles.
If people see their taxes go up or lose existing health coverage
as a result of Obamacare, they will be displeased at the
legislators who gave them this "victory."
Even if Obama remains broadly popular at the national level, his
popularity will lag in redder states. Paradoxically, some of his
successes will make him less popular. Bill Clinton won the
legislative battle over raising taxes in 1993. But moderate to
conservative Democrats still lost their seats in droves for
voting for the tax increase -- and because the tax increase
passed anyway, that number included some Democrats who actually
voted against Clinton on raising taxes. (See Krueger, Bob.) The
Blue Dogs are reluctant to support Obama because they come from
the states and districts most likely to oppose the substance of
Obama's policies.
Moderate to liberal Republicans like Lincoln Chafee frequently
voted against President Bush's policies. They were still among
the hardest hit when those policies became unpopular in 2006 and
2008. Chafee's independence gave him a fighting chance, and
independence saved the two ladies from Maine. But I doubt any of
them wish that Bush had more legislative victories.
You make a good point, Antle, but Clinton probably lost votes in
1994 because his handling of the health care initiative was
disastrous -- not because of tax increases that the vast majority
of people didn't really see.
In reality, the Democrat's popularity is tied to the economy,
just like Obama's. If the economy turns around, they will do
well. Just like Clinton, if they can't get their initiatives
passed, they will be seen as incompetent. Remember that the
effect of these initiatives won't really be seen for a number of
years -- and the vast majority of people are not economists --
they only respond to what is in their wallet today.
Old Texican| 7.20.09 @ 9:20PM
I scroll past Bob, but wanted him to not have the last
word........on anything.
I am a right down the center constitutionalist.
Obama and crew are systematically breaking their oaths of office
to defend it.
How do we indict a President for treason?
Bob| 7.21.09 @ 9:04AM
"I scroll past Bob, but wanted him to not have the last
word........on anything."
Old Tex -- that's because you cannot stand logic, reason, and
don't believe history repeats itself.
"How do we indict a President for treason?"
Let's see.... Iran-Contra -- Iraq -- not telling Congress about
programs.... Hmmmm..... Any extremist like you on either side
would ask for impeachment. It used to be that the Democrat party
was the party of crazies.... Now it's the Republican party with
birth certificates, Hitler, Marxism, socialism, etc. As the
Republican party shrinks, only the crazies are left. Hmmm...
William| 7.21.09 @ 9:54AM
In Athens, Old Texican, in order to vote one had to be a citizen,
capable of affording and bearing the full panoply of hoplite
heavy infantry armor.
If you were not a hoplite you could not vote.
The reason for this, and for a majority of votes winning, is
because it was a way to ritualistically reflect the probable
outcome in a war. The greater number of combatants would usually
prevail.
My point is this. Voting is a substitute for warfare. Nothing
more and nothing less. Sometimes, however - as with the Russian
patriots who tore down the statues of Lenin and the old, bankrupt
Soviet Union - people find they have no remaining option but to
get back to basics.
Bob| 7.20.09 @ 8:20PM
You make a good point, Antle, but Clinton probably lost votes in 1994 because his handling of the health care initiative was disastrous -- not because of tax increases that the vast majority of people didn't really see.
In reality, the Democrat's popularity is tied to the economy, just like Obama's. If the economy turns around, they will do well. Just like Clinton, if they can't get their initiatives passed, they will be seen as incompetent. Remember that the effect of these initiatives won't really be seen for a number of years -- and the vast majority of people are not economists -- they only respond to what is in their wallet today.
Old Texican| 7.20.09 @ 9:20PM
I scroll past Bob, but wanted him to not have the last word........on anything.
I am a right down the center constitutionalist.
Obama and crew are systematically breaking their oaths of office to defend it.
How do we indict a President for treason?
Bob| 7.21.09 @ 9:04AM
"I scroll past Bob, but wanted him to not have the last word........on anything."
Old Tex -- that's because you cannot stand logic, reason, and don't believe history repeats itself.
"How do we indict a President for treason?"
Let's see.... Iran-Contra -- Iraq -- not telling Congress about programs.... Hmmmm..... Any extremist like you on either side would ask for impeachment. It used to be that the Democrat party was the party of crazies.... Now it's the Republican party with birth certificates, Hitler, Marxism, socialism, etc. As the Republican party shrinks, only the crazies are left. Hmmm...
William| 7.21.09 @ 9:54AM
In Athens, Old Texican, in order to vote one had to be a citizen, capable of affording and bearing the full panoply of hoplite heavy infantry armor.
If you were not a hoplite you could not vote.
The reason for this, and for a majority of votes winning, is because it was a way to ritualistically reflect the probable outcome in a war. The greater number of combatants would usually prevail.
My point is this. Voting is a substitute for warfare. Nothing more and nothing less. Sometimes, however - as with the Russian patriots who tore down the statues of Lenin and the old, bankrupt Soviet Union - people find they have no remaining option but to get back to basics.
No freedom, no peace.
Read it and weep commissariat scum!