The Ricci decision Jeffrey Lord noted
earlier came in 5-4, with the breakdown along the predictable
lines. Kennedy wrote the opinion of the court, and was joined by
Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts. Scalia and Alito also each
filed concurring opinions.
Here's the reasoning in Kennedy's opinion:
The record in this litigation documents a process that,
at the outset, had the potential to produce a testing
procedure that was true to the promise of Title VII: No
individual should face workplace discrimination based on race.
Respondents thought about promotion qualifications and relevant
experience in neutral ways. They were careful to ensure
broad racial participation in the design of the test
itself and its administration. As we have discussed at length,
the process was open and fair.
The problem, of course, is that after the tests were completed,
the raw racial results became the predominant rationale
for the City’s refusal to certify the results. The
injury arises in part from the high, and justified,
expectations of the candidates who had participated in the
testing process on the terms the City had established for the
promotional process. Many of the candidates had studied for
months, at considerable personal and financial ex- pense, and
thus the injury caused by the City’s reliance on raw racial
statistics at the end of the process was all the more severe.
Confronted with arguments both for and against certifying the
test results—and threats of a law-suit either way—the City was
required to make a difficult inquiry. But its hearings produced
no strong evidence of a
disparate-impact violation, and the City was not entitled to
disregard the tests based solely on the racial disparity
in the results.
Our holding today clarifies how Title VII applies to resolve
competing expectations under the disparate-treatment and
disparate-impact provisions. If, after it certifies the test
results, the City faces a disparate-impact suit, then in light
of our holding today it should be clear that the City would
avoid disparate-impact liability based on the strong basis in
evidence that, had it not certified the results, it would have
been subject to disparate-treatment liability.
Petitioners are entitled to summary judgment on their Title VII
claim, and we therefore need not decide the underlying
constitutional question. The judgment of the Court of
Appeals is reversed, and the cases are remanded for further
proceedings consistent with this opinion.
Ginsburg wrote the dissent, and was joined by Souter, Stevens and
Breyer.
She wrote:
It is indeed regrettable that the City’s noncertification
decision would have required all candidates to go through
another selection process. But it would have been more
regrettable to rely on flawed exams to shut out candidates who
may well have the command presence and other qualities needed
to excel as fire officers. Yet that is the choice the
Court makes today. It is a choice that breaks the promise
of Griggs that groups long denied equal opportunity would not
be held back by tests “fair in form, but discriminatory in
operation.”
This case presents an unfortunate situation, one New Haven
might well have avoided had it utilized a bette selection
process in the first place. But what this case does not
present is race-based discrimination in violation of Title
VII. I dissent from the Court’s judgment, which rests on
the false premise that respondents showed “a significant
statistical disparity,” but “nothing more.”
"...It is indeed regrettable that the City’s noncertification
decision would have required all candidates to go through another
selection process. But it would have been more regrettable to
rely on flawed exams to shut out candidates who may well have the
command presence and other qualities needed to excel as fire
officers..."
Ginsberg dissent is telling. Nowhere does she mention the oidious
practice of quotas and how they would somehow be just and
constitutional. Remember, SCOTUS reversed an appeals court ruling
that offered very little legal reasoning. Judge Sottomayer and 2
other judges dismissed out of hand the complaints of the
plantiffs, pretty much saying sorry and good-day. Ginsberg brings
up a strawman (how does she know the firemen who were given the
promotions were qualified, when the only metric available -a
state mandated test- said they weren't? Is she a firefighter? She
never really defended the lower court's ruling from a purely
legal, constitutional framework. Saying that written examinations
are "discriminatory" a priory doesn't cut it.
What is also telling is that both the majority and dissenting
opinions didn't mention at all the shabby way the lower courts
treated the plantiffs. In many cases the majority's author will
issue a scathing critique of the lower court's performance (see
the over turning of the many 9th Circuit Courts opinions) and/or
behavior. In this case, it was obvious that the 2nd Court of
Appeals performed a grave injustice, but Kennedy and the majority
remained silent.
Sean| 6.29.09 @ 1:02PM
"This case presents an unfortunate situation, one New Haven might
well have avoided had it utilized a bette selection process in
the first place. "
What sort of better selection process could they have come up
with? I think by better she meant one that would have promoted
more black candidates. So basically she is writing that a job
based objective colorblind test is not a good selector of
candidates.
Her thinking reminds me of the notion of the Howard Gardner's
multiple intelligences. Maybe some of the candidates had high
musical intelligence that could of been looked at instead. Or
maybe candidates that are bodily-kinesthetic learners could have
been given the nod.
Oldefarte| 6.29.09 @ 1:18PM
Brown vs. Bd. of Education [1954] established equal public
schools, buildings, textbooks, teachers, computers, school
supplies, and TESTS. It did not establish equal intellect or
equal wills to succeed. REVERSE DISCRIMINATION is hopefully now
illegal; and also hopefully, Sotomayor will not be our next
Supreme Court justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robin| 6.29.09 @ 1:54PM
Being that this was a Title VII decision, I wonder if those who
feel they were possibly denied admission to the US Naval Academy,
as discussed by Prof Bruce Fleming of USNA here can take this a
way to open a case?
"Under Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to
discriminate in any aspect of employment, including...training
and apprenticeship programs;"
The USNA's training leads directly to employment as a
commissioned officer in the US Navy or Marine Corps.
Just a thought from an uninformed and uneducated non-lawyer.
Annapolis Capital article:
http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/opn/2009/06/14-47/Guest-Column-The-cost-of-a-diverse-Naval-Academy.html
Aaron| 6.29.09 @ 3:13PM
"This case presents an unfortunate situation, one New Haven might
well have avoided had it utilized a bette selection process in
the first place"
In other words... I wouldn't have to waste my time if New Haven
would simply have handed out 20 applications to 15 blacks, 4
Hispanics and 1 over weight white man who can't pass the
physical.
Keep it classy Ginsburg, I'm sure you and Soto will get a long
great.
Liberal Reader| 6.29.09 @ 4:02PM
Just so we're clear, the Supreme Court usually chooses to hear
cases where it believes the law is unclear, NOT where it believes
appellate judges have simply been "wrong" in how they decided
those cases.
The Ricci case has its beginnings in a complicated legal statute.
Sotomayor (and other judges, including 4 on the Supreme Court)
saw things one way, others saw it differently. The grey area in
which these legal decisions took place is why these cases are
interesting.
Simply boiling it all down to a Sotomayor being "overturned" does
your readers a disservice and is frightfully dull and
hairbrained.
The Supreme Court is an appellate court. It hears appeals. It
does NOT hear evidence or listen to witnesses; there is no jury;
it's not like what you see on Law and Order.
Appellate courts review cases that people of learning and wisdom
and good faith disagree on because laws that are somehow
ambiguous or especially difficult to apply.
DaveS| 6.29.09 @ 6:04PM
Three weeks ago, on these pages, I predicted the 5-4 decision for
the firefighters, with the dissenters providing (innocently,
perhaps) cover for Sotomayor. The lack of a hearing and
explanation at the Sotomayor level was criticized by all nine
justices. That tells you something about the willingness to
engage on this issue using this case. My only potential error: I
thought Thomas would write the majority opinion (some believe he
had a hand in it), but it was ultimately delivered by Kennedy. I
now figure that a Thomas majority opinion assignment by Roberts
would have been defamed in the MSM. The decision should have been
9-0 for the firefighters - if you believe in equal protection.
DaveS| 6.29.09 @ 6:07PM
Dear Liberal Reader: the spelling is 'hare-brained' and Sotomayor
was overturned (the judgment of the appeals court is reversed).
What don't you understand?
Kindest Regards| 6.29.09 @ 7:43PM
SOTOMAYOR SHALL BE AN ASSET TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT!
_____________________
SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!
EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!
George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger
to the point that she could not get away from it, and she
committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.
“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush
committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and
moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and
friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to
keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George
Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she
commits suicide” (blog of drizzten).
“One of those ‘very leasts’ [was] George Bush’s personal
complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend
Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact
whereabouts and contacts of . . . George Bush on September 21
thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola
McConnell—Nevada Progressive Democratic Candidate for U.S. Senate
in 2010).
McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously
criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force
Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder
where it culminated in her death.
Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (please
feel free to see my “GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN
U.S. HISTORY” blog). (Schoedinger was an African-American woman.)
BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one—for
whatever reasons—he can continuously criminally stalk one to the
point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately
commits suicide in desperation to escape. He can murder people in
this way.
Bush is getting away with his murder of Schoedinger—with no
sheriff, prosecutor, or court willing to uphold the rule of law.
Bush’s method of murdering Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum:
he must have murdered other people in the same way.
Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people
whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Schoedinger,
undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the
intersection where he would be free.
(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the
Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines.
Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George
W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the
point that she could not get away from it, and she committed
suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her” or “Bush
applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie
Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide
does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death,”
hit “Enter,” and find innumerable results.)
_____________________
Andrew Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
BD57| 6.29.09 @ 8:55PM
Liberal Reader has a point - people of good faith do often
disagree when arguing these cases.
BUT (there's always a 'but', isn't there?) ...
there's one aspect of the case where NO ONE agreed with the
decision below ...
The Supreme Court majority said the lower court got it wrong and
the firefighters were entitled to judgment in their favor.
The Supreme Court minority said the lower court got it wrong -
the lower court should not have ruled against the firefighters -
and said the case should go back down for proper disposition on
the merits.
None of the justices said summary judgment in favor of the City
(Sotomayor's position) was correct.
Bill| 7.5.09 @ 2:41PM
Hey Liberal Reader I thought the Supreme Court simply rules on
constitutionality. I don't know where your "because laws that are
somehow ambiguous or especially difficult to apply" fits in. It
is a stretch to say most laws are easily understood and written
in a manner that is pat. If that was the case 1 million lieyers
would be out of work.
JP| 6.29.09 @ 12:19PM
"...It is indeed regrettable that the City’s noncertification decision would have required all candidates to go through another selection process. But it would have been more regrettable to rely on flawed exams to shut out candidates who may well have the command presence and other qualities needed to excel as fire officers..."
Ginsberg dissent is telling. Nowhere does she mention the oidious practice of quotas and how they would somehow be just and constitutional. Remember, SCOTUS reversed an appeals court ruling that offered very little legal reasoning. Judge Sottomayer and 2 other judges dismissed out of hand the complaints of the plantiffs, pretty much saying sorry and good-day. Ginsberg brings up a strawman (how does she know the firemen who were given the promotions were qualified, when the only metric available -a state mandated test- said they weren't? Is she a firefighter? She never really defended the lower court's ruling from a purely legal, constitutional framework. Saying that written examinations are "discriminatory" a priory doesn't cut it.
What is also telling is that both the majority and dissenting opinions didn't mention at all the shabby way the lower courts treated the plantiffs. In many cases the majority's author will issue a scathing critique of the lower court's performance (see the over turning of the many 9th Circuit Courts opinions) and/or behavior. In this case, it was obvious that the 2nd Court of Appeals performed a grave injustice, but Kennedy and the majority remained silent.
Sean| 6.29.09 @ 1:02PM
"This case presents an unfortunate situation, one New Haven might well have avoided had it utilized a bette selection process in the first place. "
What sort of better selection process could they have come up with? I think by better she meant one that would have promoted more black candidates. So basically she is writing that a job based objective colorblind test is not a good selector of candidates.
Her thinking reminds me of the notion of the Howard Gardner's multiple intelligences. Maybe some of the candidates had high musical intelligence that could of been looked at instead. Or maybe candidates that are bodily-kinesthetic learners could have been given the nod.
Oldefarte| 6.29.09 @ 1:18PM
Brown vs. Bd. of Education [1954] established equal public schools, buildings, textbooks, teachers, computers, school supplies, and TESTS. It did not establish equal intellect or equal wills to succeed. REVERSE DISCRIMINATION is hopefully now illegal; and also hopefully, Sotomayor will not be our next Supreme Court justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robin| 6.29.09 @ 1:54PM
Being that this was a Title VII decision, I wonder if those who feel they were possibly denied admission to the US Naval Academy, as discussed by Prof Bruce Fleming of USNA here can take this a way to open a case?
"Under Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including...training and apprenticeship programs;"
The USNA's training leads directly to employment as a commissioned officer in the US Navy or Marine Corps.
Just a thought from an uninformed and uneducated non-lawyer.
Annapolis Capital article: http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/opn/2009/06/14-47/Guest-Column-The-cost-of-a-diverse-Naval-Academy.html
Aaron| 6.29.09 @ 3:13PM
"This case presents an unfortunate situation, one New Haven might well have avoided had it utilized a bette selection process in the first place"
In other words... I wouldn't have to waste my time if New Haven would simply have handed out 20 applications to 15 blacks, 4 Hispanics and 1 over weight white man who can't pass the physical.
Keep it classy Ginsburg, I'm sure you and Soto will get a long great.
Liberal Reader| 6.29.09 @ 4:02PM
Just so we're clear, the Supreme Court usually chooses to hear cases where it believes the law is unclear, NOT where it believes appellate judges have simply been "wrong" in how they decided those cases.
The Ricci case has its beginnings in a complicated legal statute. Sotomayor (and other judges, including 4 on the Supreme Court) saw things one way, others saw it differently. The grey area in which these legal decisions took place is why these cases are interesting.
Simply boiling it all down to a Sotomayor being "overturned" does your readers a disservice and is frightfully dull and hairbrained.
The Supreme Court is an appellate court. It hears appeals. It does NOT hear evidence or listen to witnesses; there is no jury; it's not like what you see on Law and Order.
Appellate courts review cases that people of learning and wisdom and good faith disagree on because laws that are somehow ambiguous or especially difficult to apply.
DaveS| 6.29.09 @ 6:04PM
Three weeks ago, on these pages, I predicted the 5-4 decision for the firefighters, with the dissenters providing (innocently, perhaps) cover for Sotomayor. The lack of a hearing and explanation at the Sotomayor level was criticized by all nine justices. That tells you something about the willingness to engage on this issue using this case. My only potential error: I thought Thomas would write the majority opinion (some believe he had a hand in it), but it was ultimately delivered by Kennedy. I now figure that a Thomas majority opinion assignment by Roberts would have been defamed in the MSM. The decision should have been 9-0 for the firefighters - if you believe in equal protection.
DaveS| 6.29.09 @ 6:07PM
Dear Liberal Reader: the spelling is 'hare-brained' and Sotomayor was overturned (the judgment of the appeals court is reversed). What don't you understand?
Kindest Regards| 6.29.09 @ 7:43PM
SOTOMAYOR SHALL BE AN ASSET TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT!
_____________________
SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!
EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!
George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.
“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (blog of drizzten).
“One of those ‘very leasts’ [was] George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of . . . George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell—Nevada Progressive Democratic Candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010).
McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death.
Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (please feel free to see my “GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” blog). (Schoedinger was an African-American woman.)
BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one—for whatever reasons—he can continuously criminally stalk one to the point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately commits suicide in desperation to escape. He can murder people in this way.
Bush is getting away with his murder of Schoedinger—with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court willing to uphold the rule of law.
Bush’s method of murdering Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.
Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Schoedinger, undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the intersection where he would be free.
(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her” or “Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death,” hit “Enter,” and find innumerable results.)
_____________________
Andrew Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
BD57| 6.29.09 @ 8:55PM
Liberal Reader has a point - people of good faith do often disagree when arguing these cases.
BUT (there's always a 'but', isn't there?) ...
there's one aspect of the case where NO ONE agreed with the decision below ...
The Supreme Court majority said the lower court got it wrong and the firefighters were entitled to judgment in their favor.
The Supreme Court minority said the lower court got it wrong - the lower court should not have ruled against the firefighters - and said the case should go back down for proper disposition on the merits.
None of the justices said summary judgment in favor of the City (Sotomayor's position) was correct.
Bill| 7.5.09 @ 2:41PM
Hey Liberal Reader I thought the Supreme Court simply rules on constitutionality. I don't know where your "because laws that are somehow ambiguous or especially difficult to apply" fits in. It is a stretch to say most laws are easily understood and written in a manner that is pat. If that was the case 1 million lieyers would be out of work.