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Smitty| 6.6.09 @ 3:28AM

Unfortunately, Matt; it seems like more and more liberals are lying more and more these days. Cockroaches hate the light, that's why we have to keep shining it on them.

Bob| 6.6.09 @ 9:32AM

C'mon Vadum, making this claim is akin to calling you a Klansman because David Duke is a Republican. What you are showing is your inability to have something called "perspective". By the way, posters constantly ask that I be blocked on this site. Quin actually asked that I not post on his blogs. I VOLUNTARILY complied with his request. If you believe in limiting discussion, then just ask. I find as many "lies" here as there are on the left. You take a partial truth and treat it as a full truth. For example, on the Bachmann issue of ACORN funding, you know that ACORN would never receive even a small portion of that $8.5 billion, but you support that mischaracterization on technicalities.

Remember Vadum -- people who live in glass houses should not throw stones....

Pete| 6.6.09 @ 9:49AM

"You take a partial truth and treat it as a full truth. For example, on the Bachmann issue of ACORN funding, you know that ACORN would never receive even a small portion of that $8.5 billion, but you support that mischaracterization on technicalities."

So which is it, Bob? Is it a partial truth or will Acorn get NO public money. One penny is too much and should be a national scandal if the media didn't have their heads buried up the messiah's ass.

Bob| 6.6.09 @ 10:12AM

Pete -- here is the factual information.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_the_stimulus_bill_include_a_52.html

Shouldn't we strive for the truth instead of yellow journalism? ACORN has problems and I don't think they should get any public funding as they are partisan in nature. The irony here is that if the Republican Party had the majority of the black vote, no one here would be complaining...

As a matter of policy, I don't think the government should be funding ACORN -- or for that matter any religious groups which occurred in faith based initiatives. Government should be LIMITED. That is a true conservative position, by the way.

Pete| 6.6.09 @ 11:14AM

I can't help you with who you choose to believe, and a url with the word "fact" in it doesn't begin to sway me. CNN purports to deliver "news" too. I would recommend this link to learn the truth.

http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1225222922.pdf

Further supporting my side would be the documented fact that when given the chance to insert wording into the pertinent legislation to legally prevent ACORN and the like from receiving taxpayer funds, the Democrats removed such wording. Wonder why?

Bob| 6.6.09 @ 11:38AM

Pete -- you call Vadum a factual source? That's the best laugh I've had all day. Read Vadum's article yourself and then do some fact checking. Did Obama work with ACORN when he was a community organizer and young lawyer? Of course. ACORN is involved in getting blacks out to vote so that should be obvious. But that has NOTHING to do with an objective view of the stimulus funding. Have you ever heard of "six degrees from Kevin Bacon"? This guilt by slight association is a tool that radicals use on both sides. So if you really believe what Vadum is saying, then you are clearly a radical.

So Pete, please use the gray matter that the Creator gave you and learn how to do objective analysis. Conservatives can win if they embrace objectivity and render the right wing kooks like Vadum to the catacombs.

Angel| 6.6.09 @ 1:52PM

Here's Bob, the 'republican in good standing', once again attacking a good investigative reporter who has the guts to expose liberal corruption.

The only blogger I've seen blocked is David Mathews--is that you, Bob? Thought so, you libtard trolls are all under the same Axelrod astro-turf umbrella. Talk about kooks.

How's that for cogent, logical discourse, Bob? You racist, you.

Keep it up, Matt--the 'REAL REPUBLICANS' have your back.

Buzz off, Bob.

Angel| 6.6.09 @ 1:55PM

I notice that 'Bob' reappeared after D. Mathews was blocked. Hmmmm.

Of course you complied with Quin's request--you had no choice. Quin was sick and tired of your lies, and so are we.

Goof libtard trolls.

Pete| 6.6.09 @ 2:15PM

Well, Angel, I was about to respond to Bob and ask him why he was even on this site reading about "guilt by slight association" but you have done a good enough job, so I will leave it be. I too wondered about DM's disappearance and Bob's emergence - but I won't go that far since Bob, though clearly delusional, writes in complete sentences and was only mildly insulting.

Bob| 6.6.09 @ 4:14PM

I see that rather than arguing the case on its merits, both Pete and Angel regress into attack mode. And by the way, TAS has never blocked me. They know my identity and my email address.

Since when has Vadum been an "investigative reporter"? A "reporter" reports and maintains some level of objectivity. He never reported the other side of the argument. At least Beck is honest as he has said that he is not a journalist/reporter, he is a commentator.

Calling someone a liar that posts factual data supported by centrist sites like Scotusblog and Factcheck is the height of illiteracy and a lack of critical thinking.

But I've come to expect that in a site dedicated to belief over reason/logic.

And by the way, how can a person who wants a flat tax, believes in limited government, is against the bailouts, believes that social security and medicare must be cut back, believes that departments like Education should be abolished, and believes that illegal immigrants should not get schooling and healthcare be a "libtard troll"?

Angel/Pete -- you two are really out there. I'm still looking for the mothership both of you have told everyone to look for....

Pete| 6.6.09 @ 6:15PM

Seriously, Bob, have a read back through the comments. When I attempted to argue the issue, you answered with an attack on Vadum, not his research or facts. Nor did you address my point, opting instead to imply that I don't know the subject. Further, I did not attack you, but I do believe you are delusional if you remain unable to see and believe facts. In fact, I kind of defended you by not equating you with the ultimate idiot troll David Mathews.

At the end of the day, ACORN has used public monies to advance its radical leftist agenda, and has done so in very corrupt, often deplorable ways. And the fact remains that they are eligible to steal much more taxpayer money going forward. If somehow they are prevented from defrauding the US taxpayer, I will be happy. Given the Chicago dirtbags in power who practically invented this kind of BS, I am not hopeful. You can believe what you wish.

That is all. Have a nice day.

Angel| 6.6.09 @ 6:57PM

See, Pete; once again, 'good republican' Bob rears his ugly head. Try to be nice, Pete--see what you get?

With 'good republican' friends like 'good republican' Bob, who needs enemies? Buzz off, 'GR' Bob/David Mathews.

Basil Plumley| 6.7.09 @ 12:50AM

Bob

You said-By the way, posters constantly ask that I be blocked on this site. Quin actually asked that I not post on his blogs. I VOLUNTARILY complied with his request.

What is odd, is I don't recall any constant harping by anyone wanting you off this site. You are a tiresome braggart, liar, and bore but we like to keep you around. You are needed for the entertainment.

Yeah, I read your repartee with Quin. And you thought you were somehow sane in your posting?
You certainly are a legend in your own mind. It must be that stellar Hahvard education you keep reminding us of.

Perhaps, Vadum struck a nerve in you when he posted: Some liberals lie and lie and lie some more, and then when they get caught, they keep on lying.

That pretty much describes Bob, Jeremiah et al., and a few others.

Matthew Vadum| 6.7.09 @ 3:08AM

P.S. Paul Schmelzer now writes in the comments section at Minnesota Independent that my comments were not deleted or did not fail to be approved. See http://minnesotaindependent.com/36246/bachmann-renews-acorn-attack#comment-31926

What I wrote here was that I seemed to have been blocked at that site. I tried about a dozen times to submit my comment using different browsers and each times I clicked "submit" nothing happened, whereas earlier in the thread my comments had been approved instantly. I didn't fabricate anything and I didn't accuse anyone of anything. All I wrote was that I seemed to have been blocked and was resorting to other means to publish my response.

In a moment I will try and repost at the Minnesota Independent my response that didn't go through.

I see Bob is back above. Good. I believe in educating the uneducated. We need to help them understand the way things really are. And Bob, why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I never said anything about Scotusblog and Factcheck. I was criticizing, and for good reason, PolitiFact. Stick to the facts.

Matthew Vadum| 6.7.09 @ 3:23AM

I just tried to post the comment at Minnesota Independent. It doesn't seem to have gone through. We'll see if it turns up.

Smitty| 6.7.09 @ 8:37AM

lol. Liberal liars lie--just read Bob's tripe.

Angel| 6.7.09 @ 8:41AM

You're doing good work, Matt. Keep up the heat.

Just the fact that you're irritating Bob proves you're on the right track.

Oldefarte| 6.7.09 @ 12:13PM

Bob's statement ["....ACORN has problems and I don't think they should get any public funding as they are partisan in nature. The irony here is that if the Republican Party had the majority of the black vote, no one here would be complaining..."] is completely FALSE and is NOT [his desired] fact! He is correct in that Acorn should not receive governmental funding, but the fact is THEY HAVE BEEN RECEIVING IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME [according to Barney Frank, even back to the Bush administration]. Bob's statement about no one complaining if Republicans got black votes is pure BULL EXCREMENT! First of all, where in hades is is written that anyone should be EDUCATED concerning their need to vote? Shouldn't people vote due to patriotism and be self-motivated to do so? Why is it necessary for some organization to go fill out the voting forms for individuals and tell them how and who [oops, guess I wasn't suppose to say that!] to vote for [and maybe give them a bottle of booze, carton of cigarettes, money,etc for voting as well!]??? It was reported recently that Acorn was simply destroying any voter registration forms that indicated REPUBLICAN PARTY on same [how amazing?] Why, you ask---well I'll tell you-----because they are too dumb and stupid and don't give a rat's ars [w/o being motivated by Acorn's encouragement], that's WHY!!!!! Just like these same Democrat supporters-voters need ASSISTANCE [ie bus transportation] in getting their children to attend public school, need breakfast and lunch provided to their children by public schools, and need after-achool [baby-sitting activities] for their children provided by public schools. Acorn should be shut down and it officials should be tried in court and put in jail, if guilty [which they are]. So Bob, please take your LIBERAL HORSE MANURE and spread it somewhere else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Occam's razor| 6.7.09 @ 12:50PM

Liberals lie, and we are surprised because....?
Palestinian "activists" act like brain eating zombies, and we are surprised because...?
Obama does his best to hurt his country, and never defends her, and we are surprised because...?

Angel| 6.7.09 @ 1:18PM

Are liberals capable of lying so well and with such ease because they don't have a conscience?

Are all liberals sociopaths and narcissists/NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder)?

Bob certainly exhibits all of the symptoms, so does Obama

Terry K.| 6.7.09 @ 2:35PM

The problem here is that Vadum hasn't proved that anyone's lying. All he has offered is old and conflicting evidence about the Center for Independent Media's address. In reality, Vadum's the one with the record of misinformation and lies.

Bob| 6.7.09 @ 2:58PM

Vadum, it was Factcheck that argued against your skewed interpretation of limited factual information. But then again, you don't seem to be interested in finding the truth.

If we are to utilize your logic of guilt by slight association, then we should accuse Sarah Palin of being a secessionist because Todd belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party and she also believes in witchcraft because that African Minister used it to protect her. That's what is wrong with your extreme bias -- it doesn't get at the truth which is rarely all black or all white.

Basil, perhaps you should read OldFarte's comments just below yours. That is proof commenters don't want to hear or argue dissent. That make YOU the liar here....

Terry K. -- Vadum uses the technique of using a small fact and disregarding the bulk of information to make a partisan point. That way, he is telling the truth, but uses the lack of perspective to make his point. In his argument, he doesn't address any of the opposing factual information. You find the same procedure from the opposite end of the spectrum at Huffington and Moveon.

The posters here are fully brainwashed or worse, are not trained in critical thinking. Their only response to me is "libtard troll" or "liar". In essense, they use the "liar, liar, pants on fire" defense.

It's ironic that they consider me to be a liberal when I want a flat tax, want to cut departments from the federal government, was against the bailout and the stimulus, and believe we should "market test" both conservative and liberal solutions to health care to see which is best in real life. These guys don't have a clue to real conservatism. For example, not going into Iraq is a purely conservative viewpoint historically.

TAS used to be intellectually sound, but it is now just a shell of its former self that is an adjunct to the religious right. I guess it mirrors the "progress" of the Republican party.

Basil Plumley| 6.7.09 @ 3:04PM

Hey TerryK, prove your statement beyond the "I said it, therefore it is true".
I would expect better from an adolescent; maybe not. Perhaps, you are expecting some help from Bob the Victim.

Basil Plumley| 6.7.09 @ 3:07PM

Like I said Bob ...... you are entertaining if nothing else. Thanks for the laughter.

Bob| 6.7.09 @ 3:16PM

Basil, I am glad to see you are amused. It proves the statement that weak minded people are easily amused. My condolences...

Matthew Vadum| 6.7.09 @ 3:39PM

I just now at 3:38 p.m. ET checked the comments section at the Minnesota Independent. My comment is STILL NOT THERE. Still waiting. I know people don't moderate sites much on the weekend, but if it's still not there Monday, I will draw my own conclusions.

Angel| 6.7.09 @ 5:05PM

TerryK, where's your proof that Vadum lies? Waste of our time, your verbiage.

Actually, Bob, it takes a keen intelligence to recognize and appreciate humor--that's why Conservatives like us have such a great sense of humor and liberal lizards like you don't.

Just remember, dear libtard, we are laughing AT you not with you.

Don't hold your breath, Matt--Birkey is a paid liberal hack. Liberals can't handle the truth, especially when it gets in the way of a paycheck.

Basil Plumley| 6.7.09 @ 5:08PM

Bob,

I am actually much more saddened than amused. If your logic is exemplary of a Hahvard-ish education, then I would not be proud to proclaim myself a product of such an education.
That is a helluva price to pay for ignorance. For living in a prison made by your education and ignorance, you certainly have my condolences.

I expect far more from our educational elite, then again, maybe not.

Bob| 6.7.09 @ 6:52PM

Angel -- given that you have such a great sense of humor, you must have loved the SNL portrayal of Sarah and the likening of religious conservatives to Southern white rednecks. I consistently laugh whenever Rush, Hannity or Beck speaks -- who can take them seriously?

Or perhaps we should laugh at Basil, who is at first amused and then saddened by the same comment. Bipolar disorder perhaps?

Think of it this way, if you get joy out of calling someone names -- like "libtard" -- then you are clearly angry and sadistic. Stay cool....

When Republicans again consider logic and reason an important part of their ideology, we will not only see a bigger tent arise in the party, but the reemergence of a mainstream force. Just today, Newt, on Face the Nation, talked about a big tent party that includes Colin Powell. He was proud to have Powell call himself a Republican. Take Newt's advice unless you also think that he is a "libtard".

Angel| 6.7.09 @ 7:02PM

Wow. Talk about emotional over reach--I'm an angry sadist because I called you a libtard? What a tender, ticklish sensibility you have. So touchy, poor baby.

It's fun, though. In my mind's eye I picture myself, shotgun in hand, standing over a barrel filled with Bob-fish.

Ha ha.

Angel| 6.7.09 @ 7:11PM

Bob, a few days ago, when you were masquerading as Jeremiah/Tom Paine/ Murph/Sybil, et al; a blogger said General Powell should be called Colin Bowel from now on. I got a chortle out of it, did that tweak your 'big tent' funny bone?

Basil Plumley| 6.7.09 @ 7:39PM

Angel

Please don't make Bob any more the victim than he already desires. I read another thread where he extols the virtues of Free Trade.
Oddly, it was only recently that I had a tussle with Bob over the greatness of Adam Smith and Free Trade.
Either Bob has flip-flopped or the uneducated is now getting an education. The next step is getting Bob to agree to tax cuts. Middle East peace will be much easier to achieve.

Bob| 6.8.09 @ 8:15AM

Basil -- please take your meds regarding your bipolar problem. I have always supported free trade with the proviso that it be fair. You are certainly a liar and just make up things... Hmmmm...

Angel... I have only posted here under my name - never under any other moniker. TAS can certainly prove that if they so desired. Do you think there is only one person that disagrees with your ultra-right radicalism?

Basil Plumley| 6.8.09 @ 8:59AM

Yeah Bob, you are Mr. Credibility.
Who knew?
You are the "phony" in cacophony. Lots of noise and no substance. I remember the free trade thread, not surprising you don't.
Just like you don't remember what you posted to make Quin say enough of your nonsense; but you remember VOLUNTARILY complying with his request.
How noble of you.
Tell us again about the constant drumbeat to ban you.

Basil Plumley| 6.8.09 @ 12:00PM

You make accusations you can't prove and I am the liar. That's amazing.
Now, you are a doctor.
A partial list of your exploits--

Jewish translator at the age of ten
War hero
Educational elitist
Fortune 500 guru
Misogynist
Victim

Partial list of your favorite positions-
Reagan skeptic
tax cut skeptic
American exceptionalism skeptic
educational elitist
Sarah Palin denier/skeptic
grabbing your ankles

Basil Plumley| 6.8.09 @ 12:03PM

Hey Bob, where did your post go?

Bob| 6.8.09 @ 1:14PM

Well, Basil, it looks as if the guy complaining about being censored is now doing the censoring. As I've said before, everything I've said about myself is true and can be confirmed by the TAS staff if they so desire. They know who I am.

So, because I think that Palin is not qualified to be President and that Jean Kirkpatrick is qualified, I'm a misogynist? As to the charge of "victim", Vadum just proved that. As to the charge of Reagan skeptic, I have said a number of times I thought he was a good President because of his actions to defeat the Soviet Union but the fact that he created a huge debt and believed in supply side economics was a huge negative. As to tax cuts not being stimulative, I've linked to the Heritage Foundation charts that prove the case. As to grabbing my ankles, you need to stop projection your behavior on others...

Bob| 6.8.09 @ 1:17PM

... and now, Basil, we'll see if TAS is fair and removes your personal attacks not relating to the subject matter. If they don't, it shows a huge bias and just proves the point of "victim" further.

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 1:20PM

Now I'm an angry sadistic ultra right radical. Who knew? Dr. Bob knew. Dr. Bob received his MD from the School of Pathological Liars/Hyperbole.

All of this for 'libtard'? I wonder what you'd call me if I posted what I really think of you, Dr. Bob?

'Misogynist'--lol, Basil. Bob, you've stated many times how much you love and admire your perfect wife and daughters--why are you so mean to me and Sarah?

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 1:24PM

Bob is probably out there somewhere beating up on a Socially Conservative woman.

We're the only females who are fair game in Bob's eyes. No Dr. Bob chivalry for us.

Terry K.| 6.8.09 @ 3:10PM

My response to Vadum's central claim, that CIM and Media Matters share the same address:

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog/1914166/matthew-vadum-sucky-researcher/

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 3:16PM

Thanks, Terry, for another boneheaded post.

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 3:23PM

Okay, Bob--I see, it's okay to hurl vicious personal attacks as long as they're "related to subject matter." Who made you the ad hominem (in my case, ad feminan ) attack decider?

Basil Plumley| 6.8.09 @ 3:23PM

Utter vapid response Bob

You were boo-hooing about people trying to get you blocked from this site. That wasn't true, was it?
You are a magnificent hair-puller; attacking various authors and responders with various half-truths and outright falsehoods. Then, you retreat to the mantra of being a "moderate" Republican.

Even now, you decry the personal attacks against yourself while your attacks on others go without apology. Your are insufferably intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your set of values. Social Conservatives need not apply.

Yes, it appears one can be a hypocrite and still be a victim.

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 3:27PM

Matt, is your comment up at the Minnesota Independent yet?

Bob| 6.8.09 @ 3:37PM

Vapid responses seem to be your specialty, Basil. Perhaps you don't respond to the subject matter because you lack specific knowledge. I see you got caught up in all of this "victim" nonsense. I really enjoy playing you -- it's so easy....

Basil, rather than personal attacks, why don't we both stick to the subject matter? Do you have enough knowledge to do that?

And yes, I believe social conservatives are hurting the libertarian roots of the Republican party. As a group, you degrade any significant Socratic argument concerning fiscal conservatism.

One of the news shows this morning talked about Bill Buckley who would have civil and principled arguments with opponents. If only we had a Bill Buckley today. Remember, it was Newt who recently said he wants a party that includes Colin Powell and it was Cheney who said he thinks that gays should be able to marry. It sounds like some leaders in the party understand political realities.

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 5:00PM

Bob, in what way does Vadum's scrutiny of alleged ACORN voter-registration fraud hurt the Libertarian roots of the Republican party, and why have you attacked him personally for his efforts?

As a Moderate Republican why is Liberal voter- corruption okay with you?

Since you cite 'Social' Conservatives such as Buckley and Newt--(even Cheney!) as exemplary Republicans, why do you attack others such as Sarah Palin for her similar beliefs?

Obama and Hillary Clinton DON'T believe that gays should be allowed to marry--must be a bitter pill for you to swallow.

And, Sir: You are anything BUT civil. It's your hypocrisy that nettles and amuses us.

Matthew Vadum| 6.8.09 @ 6:10PM

Angel, I am not seeing it unless this pingback linking to my comment on another website counts as posting my comment:
http://minnesotaindependent.com/36246/bachmann-renews-acorn-attack#comment-31906.
The editor of the Minnesota Independent website told me via email that he would post it.

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 6:17PM

Nice. What are they afraid of?

Matthew Vadum| 6.8.09 @ 6:18PM

I just posted a link to my comment at the Minnesota Independent website.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/36246/bachmann-renews-acorn-attack/comment-page-2#comment-32028

Matthew Vadum| 6.8.09 @ 6:22PM

Angel, I was told than a spam blocker must have blocked the comment. The comment was filled with many links so that seems plausible to me. Anyway, the link is now there in the comments thread for the comment of this "sucky researcher." ;)
Thanks for your support.

Basil Plumley| 6.8.09 @ 7:01PM

You're dreaming Bob. You haven't laid a glove on me. Typical adolescent; start a pissing match with a writer and proclaim you are on subject. What exactly is your agenda? Truth? Doubt it.

Do you honestly believe you are (in a warped way, I guess) aiding the Conservative Movement?
You have more in common with Betty Buckley than Bill Buckley.

@ Matthew Vadum
Congrats on the post. Michelle Bachman is an outstanding Conservative who stands on principle. It is great to see folks backing her. You shouldn't let Terry K and that other guy distract you from supporting a darn good Conservative.

My guess is they didn't let your post go through until after the "controversy" has died down so as not to deal with your "s**** research".

Angel| 6.8.09 @ 7:39PM

Good job, Matt--keep it up! Rep. Bachman is an honorable woman and worthy of your support.

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