The American Spectator

William R| 5.15.09 @ 5:06PM

The Neocons Really DO Hate the GOP

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026808.html

Tom Paine| 5.15.09 @ 5:33PM

It's not the Republicans who should be thanking their lucky stars Cheney is on television everyday defending torture. It's the Democrats. And I'm sure they are.

Daisy| 5.15.09 @ 5:49PM

I'm sure Nazi Pelosi is not happy that CIA Director Leon Panetta threw her under the bus today. Idiot democrats--you've turned the torture issue against yourselves. Sometimes you get burned when you play with fire, libtards. Dick Cheney is a hero!!

Old Texican| 5.15.09 @ 6:02PM

Quin...........AMEN AND AMEN!
Please see my thoughts under Cheney's indescresion (sic) heh!
Dick is a man of a caliber we shall not see in office for a while.
I don't thank my lucky stars...I thank The Lord God for men of Mr. Cheney's quiet courage and dedication.
The Democrats can't shut up a man with that kind of courage, now that he is a private citizen.
(Well...they could, but Americans could also shut our purse strings for all their grand plans.)
Perhaps every American patriot should just "forget" to pay our taxes like O's people.
Heh!
If one man refuses to pay his taxes, the IRS will make his life miserable. If 80 million Americans refuse to pay for their own destruction, then IRS accountants and their enforcers will find life miserable. Heh!

Old Texican| 5.15.09 @ 6:11PM

DARN!!!!! DADGUM!!!!!
I just fooled around and got myself BACK on "The List"
Oh!
Tom and Jim and Dave and your fellow travelers...don't need to enter in to this discussion since ya'll don't pay taxes. Heh!

I Conner Klast| 5.15.09 @ 6:41PM

The Left is in hysterics that Mr Obama is tacking right in response to a few Cheney remarks on national security. The author Jane Mayer ("Strange Justice") even spoke on NPR that Mr Cheney feared being arrested and tried in some foreign court. It is time we demand to know what intel was gleaned from terrorist leaders who the CIA interogated.

jim rice| 5.15.09 @ 6:45PM

If that's really what dick thought and those were really his motives for staying behind the scenes, then... well, damn. That's pretty cool of him.

Coming out immediately as a new administration attempts to do what they were elected to do is a little unclassy, but I can't totally fault him for that either.

I admire that he seems to be sticking to his guns... but by the same token it was that same kind of crap that made the bush administration so ridiculously horrible for this country. A narrow single-mindedness with a refusal to ever consider that there is more than one side to every story. And that, holy crap, it actually IS possible to be wrong.

cheney is a thief, ego-maniacal, and a dangerous dangerous man. I'm glad he's out there talking too. If the Republican party will ever distance themselves from this man like they've finally done with george bush, I can finally start taking a serious look at the candidates they field. He's an embarrassment, and I wish he'd just go quietly into the dark. Or to jail where he belongs. "Executive privilege," my ass.

Good for him for standing up for what he thinks. It's just too bad that what he thinks is just so completely wrong.

Mary| 5.15.09 @ 7:37PM

Well said, Mr. Hillyer.

I'm a big fan of his and he's out there right now for two reasons: 1) to defend himself and the administration he served, and 2) to keep us cognizant of the fact that he knows just what our enemies have in store for us, and to act as a counterweight to the callow tendencies of this current administration.

Their refusal to release the memos Cheney requested is/was a full vindication of his continued presence. He's a good man and a patriot. Newt was good today too. And he's right; it's an important debate to have.

Off the subject a bit, but I've been reflecting on Cheney's debate against the hapless and flaccid John Edwards. He [Edwards] is right where he deserves to be right now because he's such a insignificant little man.

And you know thinking of that debate made me think of GW's debate w/Kerry when he tried to embarrass GW and the Cheney family with his inclusion of Mary Cheney in the resolutely suspect debating point he was trying to win. I don't often contribute to peripheral political groups, but I sent a few skoots to the Swiftboat Vets and they gave Kerry the fragging he so richly deserved.

GW, whatever his shortcomings, is a noble soul; he never once returned fire on those who came so viciously against him. It does my petty little heart good to see Speaker Pelosi in the position she's in. She's as left-of-the bellcurve as they come. Holy smokes is that scary, or what?

Lastly, if you remember the election of 2004 when the dems/libs tried to come at Cheney using his daughter Mary, you'll remember the last night of the RN Convention when everyone was on stage and Mary was bit far away from her Dad; he grabbed her and pulled her to him in a way that so forcefully declared "this is my daughter, and I lover her!" He's a good Dad with good kids. And his daughter, Elizabeth is fighter too.

In the debate with Kerry, GW, when asked if he thought homosexuality was genetic, so humbly and honestly replied: "I don't know."

Obama and Holder started this scummy little war of politicization that's broken out and may Cheney finish it for them.

He was a lineman for a utility company when he was a young man. He knows both hard work and reward, and I think he took protecting the Country seriously and I think he still does.

jim rice| 5.15.09 @ 8:10PM

he took it seriously insofar as he and his cronies stood to run away with millions of dollars...

he should be begging the country for forgiveness.

Mary| 5.15.09 @ 8:27PM

No; you should be thanking him and GW for protecting you and whatever family you might have.

If in 4 or 8 years the current adminstration keeps us protected, I'll thank them as well.

Perfumed and protected; we all are. Protected by rough men who do our dirty work for us and who always have. This "we were virgins before the Bush administration" schtick is fit for Jonestowners alone.

To quote a sharp poster over at Contentions who goes by the handle usinkorea:

"After the initial knee-jerk rage that came with the memos, once the masses began thinking in more depth about the issues and their place in history, the momentum began switching over to the Reps and Cheney (as I thought it would).

One of the next likely stages would have been — a backlash against Obama and the Dems for putting the country through this ordeal. I don’t want to get into the different aspects of it, but it ranges from abuse of the FOIA to setting a foundation to damn the bulk of American history."

Grow up for goodness sake, you're a man not a child.

You can make arguments without resorting to the worthless crap you've put forward on this thread so far.

jim rice| 5.15.09 @ 8:54PM

I care less for my physical well-being than I do for my morality. I care less for the continued existence of this country than I do to see its good name drug through the mud. Some things are more important than our independent worthless little lives. We're all going to die; what we do in our lives will live forever. cheney, bush, and their ilk made this world a more evil place.

MT| 5.15.09 @ 10:01PM

Worthless Jim, speak for yourself. If you care so little for your sorry existence, please--by all means--off yourself. We won't notice and we won't care. Thank you, Mr. Cheney!! Keep kicking the democrats in the groin!! You are a true American Patriot!

mijattarab| 5.15.09 @ 10:22PM

Wow, Jim - You really suck hind tit.

mijattarab| 5.15.09 @ 10:23PM

Wow, Jim - You really suck hind tit.

nolan ryan| 5.15.09 @ 10:34PM

Jim Rice is quite simply a moron to the infinite degree. What millions did Cheney make and where? That's what I thought. More moveon talking points that fall apart when someone with even a minuscule of grey matter thinks on their own. Nice try you leftist dunce, but you're about as good as it gets when dealing with obama worshiping socialists.

Basil Plumley| 5.16.09 @ 1:02AM

jim rice| 5.15.09 @ 8:54PM
I care less for my physical well-being than I do for my morality.

Really? You have morality? Your posts belie such piety.

You also said-I care less for the continued existence of this country than I do to see its good name drug through the mud.

Speaking of good names, I hope the Hall of Famer Jim Rice doesn't find out about you. Don't embarrass him any further.

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bluecollarbytes| 5.16.09 @ 7:47AM

See what happens whenever the Republicans get ONE 'loud' politician in its ranks. Democrats, who have many many LOUD members, full of accusations against the other side as a matter of practice, will not stand by if even ONE Republican stands his/her ground.

Do Republicans Want to fight this fight? I think they're still mulling things over.

Hip Hip Hooray for Dick Cheney, still the very model of a truly dedicated public servant in my opinion. Same goes for Lynn Cheney.

Steve J.| 5.16.09 @ 8:34AM

He was a lineman for a utility company when he was a young man.
He was a lineman because he drank himself out of Yale and I suspect he didn't stop drinking then.

Mike| 5.16.09 @ 9:09AM

Bill Kristol is right about Dick Cheney? An interesting argument. A rather convincing counter argument can be made that Mr. Cheney, who enjoys an 8% approval rating, is the best thing the Democrats have going for them in light of the current Nancy Pelosi fiasco. Along with Rush Limbaugh, the dynamic dual are rapidly defining the Republican Party in a way that many Republicans think will guarantee its demise. Democrats hope these Republicans are correct in their analysis and are enjoying the fact that Cheney and Limbaugh are the face to the GOP. Perhaps the pendulum will swing and the GOP will be able to win without changing. Data concerning demographic trends and attitudes suggest otherwise. I doubt defending the Bush administration and hewing to hard right ideology are the path to future success, but time will tell.

Mary| 5.16.09 @ 10:26AM

Wail all you want; Cheney is a strength not a weakness. Whatever his approval rating; he's like E.F. Hutton, people listen when he speaks.

You guys have a couple of left-of-the bellcurve congressional leaders. It's best to admit that. Republicans really don't have to do anything to advance that knowledge to the Country. It's on reel; it's on now!

Polls (since truth seems to be measured by polls, in certain dem quarters) show that two-thirds of the American people think it's time that Obama stop blaming President Bush and "gets back to work for the American people." I've seen a couple of "I miss Bill" bumper stickers. On high-end vehicles, of course. :)

Cheney's approval rating means nothing. Nothing. Carville probably wouldn't fare much better, but he's an asset to the dems. And Vice-President and Mensch Cheney is an asset to conservatives, as is his daughter Elizabeth.

That the Republicans lack courage and coherence goes without saying, but it doesn't solve your voyeuristic problem regarding naming he head of the party for them.

Rush's ratings have never been better and that means nothing for the Republican party, just as it would mean nothing if they'd tanked.

Nobody thinks Rush is the head of the Republican party except the left-of-the bellcurve talk personalities on MSNBC: you know, the AG-Tech tag team.

Coulter, whatever her excesses, hammered that wide-assed Olbermann right in the sweet spot. He whipped out his diploma; for goodness sake like he had it hanging around. What a raging, andropause approaching mama's boy!

William Raspberry, God bless him, wrote a nasty piece about Rush long ago and, honest man that he is, took the advice of some of his critics and actually listened to his show and then offered an apology in writing.

You guys have nothing in the tank except unreality.

If Obama is trying to rid himself of Pelosi, that would be wise. She authored the stimulus bill, after all. An unlucky break for Republicans, to be sure, because she's making almost all of the numbers (again, boys, the polls, read 'em and weep) that favored dems in the autumn of 2008 tip towards Republicans. You seem to have forgotten how quickly people forget; how fickle the "mob" is. Tsk, tsk.

Oh another poll just out, and wouldn't you know, it contradicts the current assertions of General Powell: Americans want government and government spending to abate.

I believe the "narrative" is going to be slipping away from you more and more, and as a consequence, sagacity requires that we all remember that a vibrant and healthy country needs a loyal opposition; emphasis on loyal.

For the third and last time, VP Cheney is an asset whose value you can't diminish without unleashing a boomeranging Hell awaiting the demise of this administration and those it's trying to illegitimately take down through an unprecedented politicization process.

I'll leave you with fine words from a countryman of mine:

As to the people's capacity of judging of things, it is exceedingly rare that, when they hear two orators of equal talents advocate different measures, they do not decide in favor of the best of the two; which proves their ability to discern the truth of what they hear. - Niccoló Machiavelli, The Discourses. 1517.

Mike| 5.16.09 @ 12:31PM

Mary writes: "Wail all you want; Cheney is a strength not a weakness. Whatever his approval rating; he's like E.F. Hutton, people listen when he speaks."

8% listen and approve. Of the remaining 92 % who are paying any attention to this, most are either cringing or laughing and wishing Mr. Cheney would go away.

Becky| 5.16.09 @ 2:19PM

I always did and still do like Mr. Cheney.

A very small percentage of the population actually understand very much about history and American civics, and a larger majority are oblivious to much. Asking people who cannot name the three branches of government their opinion is not saying much.

Churchill was extremely unpopular prior to WWII.

The morality and importance of popularity is juvinille.

Daisy| 5.16.09 @ 4:23PM

Whine all you want, dummocrats--Cheney is here to stay! He's got Obummer & Co. backpedaling like crazy. Rush and VP Cheney are my heroes. Get those libs!!

Basil Plumley| 5.16.09 @ 6:17PM

@ Mike

You said--8% listen and approve. Of the remaining 92 % who are paying any attention to this, most are either cringing or laughing and wishing Mr. Cheney would go away.

If (and I really mean if) what you post is true, then why does Cheney still make news and why doesn't the Obama Administration confront him?

After all, isn't the "truth" on your side?
Let's face it, you have a gutless wonder as POTUS. I am sure that plays well where ever you're from.

Murphy| 5.16.09 @ 7:17PM

Torture is evil.

jim rice| 5.16.09 @ 7:35PM

yes, Mike. Torture is evil. cheney is evil. Pelosi needs to step down. cheney needs to be behind bars. Or dead with a dick in his ass. I don't care which.

Richard Baker| 5.16.09 @ 8:20PM

To Jim Rice:
You need professional mental health care. It's easy to speak nonsense and you've proved that. Remember, it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
As to Cheney being wrong, would you rather fight Al-Queda in our streets and suffer thousands of deaths? This isn't a video game where you hit the RESET button after the virtual carnage is through. Is that what would make you happy? Again, you need help.

MT| 5.16.09 @ 9:02PM

Worthless Jim got one thing right: Nazi Pelosi needs to step down. Now. The other things not so much. Tool.

Murphy| 5.16.09 @ 9:34PM

MT --

What makes you think Pelosi is a "Nazi"?

I thought the Nazis were a political party in Germany in the 30s and 40s.

Oh.... wait a minute. I get it.

You say "Nazi Pelosi" because "Nazi" sounds like "Nancy," which is the Speaker's first name.

See, if you substitute a person's name with a bad word that sounds like it, you've made a joke.

The joke is that even though we all know her name is Nancy, we laugh because we're saying she's really a Nazi -- even though we know she's not a Nazi.

I think I'm catching on.

Murphy| 5.16.09 @ 9:37PM

It's kind of like Daisy, who calls Democrats "dummocrats."

The word "dummocrats" sounds like "Democrats," only it has the word "dumb" sort of lodged inside it, like the spring a jack-in-the-box that offers a surprise if you turn the crank.

I think I'm beginning to see why liberals always lose in the "marketplace of ideas."

There's no way we could ever compete with you guys.

Dummocrats. Geez, Louise. I wish I'd thought of that.

MT| 5.16.09 @ 10:47PM

The only idea you dummocraps have is corruption; you have turned it into an art form. Otherwise, you've got nothin'. Actually, it's nazi because Pelosi IS a lying nazi. I hope she gets her treasonous butt booted out of congress. She's a disgrace.

BAsil Plumley| 5.17.09 @ 12:27AM

@ MT

You said-The only idea you dummocraps have is corruption; you have turned it into an art form.

When it comes to corruption, the GOP are rank amateurs. The Dems are professionals.
It's a shame that folks like Murphy are just catching on.

Murphy| 5.17.09 @ 11:44AM

MT

That's a brilliant political analysis. What an awesome analytic mind you have. Fascinating. No...really. What you say is fascinating, just fascinating. Are you a brain surgeon? How did you get to know so much?

Richard Baker| 5.17.09 @ 12:52PM

To Basil Plumley:
Sergeant Major, for an 89 year old you DO get around, don't you?

MT| 5.17.09 @ 1:46PM

As usual, liberals like Murphy have no ideas. He/she doesn't even try to rebut my assertion that democrats are hopelessly corrupt. 2010 can't come soon enough.

Angel| 5.17.09 @ 1:50PM

Mr. Plumley must have some damn fine genetics--quick-witted and articulate as hell for a gentleman of his many years! ;)

Murphy| 5.17.09 @ 2:50PM

MT --

What assertion? All you do is hurl inarticulate opinions mixed with puerile jokes about people's names.

Sorry. You have to make an argument before I'll respond.

But since I'm in a good mood, I'll give a clue what I mean by an "argument."

An argument is a claim or series of claims for which you offer some kind of support or what we call a "warrant."

Example:

MT's post are not worth responding to because they don't make an argument.

-- "because they don't make an argument" is a warrant to the claim that your posts aren't worth responding to.

Murphy| 5.17.09 @ 2:53PM

Here would be an example:

I call Nancy Pelosi a "Nazi" because she endorses anti-Semitic laws. She has also supported the activities of leading white supremacists like David Duke. In addition, she's a Holocaust denier. Finally, I accuse Pelosi of being a "Nazi" because she wears a swastika when she leaves home at night to participate in San Francisco pogroms.

That's what an argument might sound like.

Think you can manage that, Socrates?

MT| 5.17.09 @ 6:50PM

She's a lying fascist, tool. Can you extrapolate? Are you trying to deny that Nazi Pelosi is lying about the CIA? If you believe her you're even more stupid than most of your fellow libfools.

Murphy| 5.17.09 @ 6:52PM

MT --

Yes, because the CIA never lies. Oh, no.

Senator Graham, a Republican, is now backing up Pelosi and saying that her recollection of these briefings matches with his.

Now is Senator Graham a "nazi"?

ds80| 5.17.09 @ 7:52PM

jim rice: "... Or dead with ... (etc)."

jim rice: small-minded, potty-mouth *child*.

ds80| 5.17.09 @ 7:53PM

Murphy: "Senator Graham, a Republican, is now backing up Pelosi ..."

Graham? Shamnesty Graham? No credibility.

MT| 5.17.09 @ 8:22PM

Come now, Murphy; sure you want to bet against the CIA that takes fastidious notes about EVERY meeting they have with congress? You aren't that dumb, are you? Why is Nazi backpedaling so quickly, then? Porter Goss, the congressman who actually attended the same meeting with Pelosi, asserted that the CIA did brief Pelosi and him about enhanced interrogation techniques. I hear there are videos that were shown at the briefings, too. Dumb liberal--you're almost as stupid as Nazi P.

MT| 5.17.09 @ 11:04PM

C'mon, Murph--out with it. Where's you next impassioned BS defense of Nazi Pelosi? Tool.

Basil Plumley| 5.18.09 @ 12:59AM

ds80| 5.17.09 @ 7:53PM
Murphy: "Senator Graham, a Republican, is now backing up Pelosi ..."

Graham? Shamnesty Graham? No credibility

Actually, I think the poster Murphy is thinking of the Democrat Bob Graham, the former Senator from FL. I wonder if Bob Graham really wants to get involved in this fiasco.

Murphy's command of logic and facts reminds me of Tommy Pain/Jeremiah. Another change of handles?

ruth| 5.18.09 @ 2:45AM

Yeah, I think so, Basil. Jeremiah threw some F-bombs and suddenly morphed into TP. TP threw the C word around and suddenly Murph appeared. Or maybe this crazy troll just has a split personality a la Sybil. Hey, where's Bob? Do you miss torturing (enhanced interrogating) him?

Ran| 5.18.09 @ 8:11AM

Mr. Hillyer,
"He's made himself the Most Valuable Republican of the first four months of the Obama administration." Ahh yess... "Gravitas."

The Left side of the MSM unanimously agreed that Dick Cheney provided the substantive intellectual heft lacking in the then new President. Now it's back to bite 'em.

Ruth... Good ol' Bob was banned from posting here on Quin's articles for telling outright lies. I think it was last New Year's Eve.

ruth| 5.18.09 @ 2:07PM

Oh, you're right, Ran--I forgot. Ha ha. But I haven't seen the old fool anywhere, have you? Maybe Bob was just another of Jeremiah's split personalities. Either Jeremiah is nuts or he's getting paid big bucks by Axelrod. Axelrod is one ugly dude--inside and out! Yuk!

Ran| 5.18.09 @ 9:52PM

Hi Ruth,
No, not seen him. Gorgeous day, huh?

ruth| 5.18.09 @ 11:23PM

Yes, the sun does seem to be shining brighter.

Oldefarte| 5.22.09 @ 4:35PM

Cheney insinuates that Obama make us vulnerable to future terrorists' attacks; while Obama insinuates that Cheney is fear-mongering. Unfortionately, the former is true, while the latter is false; and there will probably be a tremendous human toll because of this!!!!!

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