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annette cwik| 4.15.09 @ 8:32AM

what's your feeling about george soros who posed as a catholic - helped collect jews for concentration camps etc. demjanjuk is too old and sick to be hounded. this does the jews no good.

Red Phillips| 4.15.09 @ 9:08AM

JD may be guilty of what he is charged, I don't know. But he has never been convicted by a jury of his peers. The court proceedings had to do with his immigration and citizenship status I believe. But as I said in the post below, guilty or not there are huge jurisdictional problems here that any fair-minded person should see. Why does Germany get to charge him? Why don't they charge some Germans maybe? Just as there were huge problems with Israel charging him before. Israel gets to charge someone outside their jurisdiction for a capital offense that happened before they even existed as a country? Some lawyer please explain to me how that works? In the case of alleged ex-Nazi guards are we supposed to embrace the idea that the ends justify the means?

JD has become a symbol much larger than his case justifies even if true. By bringing him to Germany to try him, Germany is clearly engaging in some public self-flagellation and self-purging. And they are focusing on JD in particular because he is the one that got away.

The public show trial aspect and jurisdiction issues should make anyone pause, regardless of what they think of JD's guilt or innocence.

Terrance| 4.15.09 @ 9:09AM

What an angry vile witchhunter you are Philip. When all of these 3rd and 4th string alleged "Nazi's" are dead, who will you all go after then, their dried up bones or their children? You are no better than those that committed these crimes in the first place. An eye for an eye, Phil? You are as obsessed with hunting down 80 and 90 year old men, as the Nazi's were in exterminating. May God be just has harsh on you Mr. Judge, Jury and Executioner!

Breatnac| 4.15.09 @ 9:34AM

Buchanan made a good point regarding the failure to prosecute high standing members in the East German Stasi who roam free in Germany and have never had to answer for their crimes against humanity. The criminals of the former Communist largely roam free while an 89 year old has been hounded for years.

William R| 4.15.09 @ 9:54AM

Yeah and there was a strong resemblance between Demjanjuk and Ivan the Terrible. Sworn testimony by dozens in Israel.

Bottom line. This is a 3rd rate witch hunt.

Buchanan hits it out of the park!!!

http://www.ukemonde.com/zhydy/jewsandcommunism.html

MattSwartz| 4.15.09 @ 10:06AM

I think that Buchanan is probably wrong about this man's innocence, but I think that the author is really stretching, and stretching in bad faith, to imply that Buchanan's words are anti-Semitic.

We know what Buchanan said, and Klein goes a step further and guesses why he said it and what it means. Conveniently, the guesses correspond to what Klein already thought about an intra-movement enemy.

Buchanan's article is about due process and proportionality, or rather the lack of them, in this particular case. These are two characateristics that are normally central to the way we think about justice, but applying them in a politically incorrect way apparently makes you an anti-Semite.

Joshua| 4.15.09 @ 10:13AM

How ironic is it that a German (of all countries) court seeks to convict a Ukrainian for Holocaust crimes? Seems like it should be the other way around? Are the Germans trying to cleanse themselves of their own atrocities, by scapegoating a former Ukrainain prisoner of war? The American Nazi hunters are OK with this?? Just proves how political and hypocritical this whole Nazi hunting scam has been over the years. Philip Klein is just part of the money making charade .

Sean| 4.15.09 @ 10:17AM

This man has already been convicted by a court as Ivan the Terrible. Of course he wasn't Ivan the Terrible and after years of injustice was let go. Now some other court is convinced he is another prison guard. So they want him shipped to the land of no free speech where he will probably be convicted of holocaust denying for maintaining his innocence.

On another note does Klein even know of the history of the west shipping Ukranian to their death? The British shipped anticommunist Ukranians and Cossacks to the Soviets after WWII to be murdered by Stalin as traitors. Do we go after those soldiers as war criminals? Maybe we ship JD to Russia for being a traitor and they can kill him. After all that is probably the one actual law he broke at the time that requires a death sentence. So if you want to have him killed declare him a traitor to the Soviet Union and have him executed. So if Klein is a Ukranian at the time of WWII what does he do? Does he fight for a Stalin that has murdered millions of Ukranians or does he fight for the Germans who are trying to remove him?

Maybe we can go after all the people in the USA that helped Lenin and Stalin murder millions.

Heather| 4.15.09 @ 11:54AM

Pat Buchanan sure brings out the vicious Antisemitic haters.

Evelyn| 4.15.09 @ 12:58PM

It is strange that the Israelis can hound an elderly man to his death when their army was responsible for the deaths of women, children, and the elderly in Gaza. Let the old man die in his bed.

CH| 4.15.09 @ 1:40PM

Man, where do all of the Antisemites come from? Must be a cave someplace.

Gerry T. Neal| 4.15.09 @ 2:16PM

So the evidence, upon which you wish to see an 89 year old man dragged to Germany and charged on 29 000 counts of accessory to murder, is an ID card and similar documents showing him to have been a guard at these camps? Big deal. Even though Demjanjuk has been falsely identified before, lets grant that these documents are accurate. Lets grant that Demjanjuk was a guard at Majdanek, Flossenburg and Sorbibor. So what? That does not make him another Adolf Eichmann or another Heinrich Himmler. Put the matter in the proper perspective. He was a conscripted into the Soviet army, then captured by the Nazis, and made to serve as a guard. Generally, when this happened, it was a matter of a prisoner being offered two choices, serve the Nazis or face something much worse to either himself or his loved ones. Perhaps Demjanjuk should have said no and faced the consequences. But he should not face criminal prosecution today on the basis of such a choice.

As I said in response to your last post on this subject, the prosecution of Nazi war criminals was a violation of traditional Western, especially Anglo-American standards of justice, right from the beginning. The Nuremburg Trials and Israel's kidnapping, trial, and execution of Adolf Eichmann were both violations of ancient, sacred, and traditional principles upon which the unprecedentedly fair justice systems of the English speaking world were built. Although Eichmann and the men tried at Nuremberg were real villians who undoubtedly deserved what they got, the courts that punished them had no legitimate right to do so. American conservative leaders of previous generations, such as Senator Robert A. Taft (in the case of the Nuremberg trials) and William F. Buckley Jr. and James Burnham (in the case of the Eichmann trial) were right to speak out against these trials.

How much more so is Pat Buchanan right today in speaking out about this ongoing campaign to destroy John Demjanjuk.

Red Phillips| 4.15.09 @ 2:30PM

This is why you can't have an intelligent thoughtful discussion of this issue or any issue regarding Israel. The environment is so toxic. The anti-anti-Semites drop the a word and question people's motives as a first recourse which then causes the reaction to be much stronger from the other side. What you get is a lot of heat and no light. CH and Heather, please tell me what statements above mark anyone as definitively anti-Semitic, meaning they hate Jews, not that they have a particular political opinions.

I am not naive. Anti-Semitism clearly exists. It may well be that some people who comment as they do are motivated by it. But it cannot be a charge of first resort when discussing political positions.

In our current political climate where left-wing PC Cultural Marxism makes honest discussions of race, gender, immigration, religion, etc. impossible, it is irresponsible for people who consider themselves conservatives to play that game. Given the current environment, there is much more danger of stifling honest and important discussions with the pre-emptive use of the charge of anti-Semitism than there is that some mass anti-Semitic menace is lurking around the corner. Seriously, that is SPLC bilking little old ladies out of their money with fear territory.

I actually think the tactic of silence through intimidation is starting to backfire. While I don’t think there is anti-Semitism lurking around every corner, I do think there is a fair amount of built up resentment. And these threads demonstrate that. Everyone would be better served if the rhetoric and level of emotions were toned down, and both sides tried to have an intelligent conversation without charges being leveled or motives questioned.

Truth Quoter| 4.15.09 @ 2:38PM

"the prosecution of Nazi war criminals was a violation of traditional Western, especially Anglo-American standards of justice, right from the beginning. The Nuremburg Trials and Israel's kidnapping, trial, and execution of Adolf Eichmann were both violations of ancient, sacred, and traditional principles upon which the unprecedentedly fair justice systems of the English speaking world were built."

These nasty, tribal cavemen need to go back to Asia and leave us civilized cultures alone.

larry| 4.15.09 @ 2:46PM

The simple math question:
6,000,000 / 29,000 = 206.89
Demjanjuk = 1
206.89 - Demjanjuk = 206.89 - 1 = 205.89
Where are the other 205? Where's 0.89?
The challenge:
If 205.89 is proven, so will 6,000,000.

Joshua| 4.15.09 @ 2:57PM

Heather and CH. Do yourself a favor and read up on the history of Ukraine and Ukrainians from at least 1917 until 1991. Pay particular attention to the years...oh lets say, late 1920's through 1946, at least. Put yourself in the shoes (or bare feet) of the Ukrainians that were being starved and butchered by Stalin (with Roosevelt's and the US governments knowledge) or the Germans whos treatment of them wasn't much, if any better than what the Jews were receiving. Lets see how you would have survived during that time period. It's easy to make an ignorant comment and say everyone is an antisemite when you don't have a reasonable answer..... Studying history and talking to the people that lived through the horrors of that time would take an effort on your part.

MT| 4.15.09 @ 6:55PM

Idiot--what's that got to do with Antisemitism? Buchanan shouldn't have brought up Christ's crucifixion--that was inflammatory. I don't know about all of you, but there are plenty of vicious haters in your ranks. Go back under your rock.

Bill Henry| 4.15.09 @ 7:36PM

John F. Kennedy in his book Profiles in Courage praised Senator Robert Taft for opposing the Nuremberg war crimes trials. JFK did this on the verge of running for president. Today, left wing Neocon nutjobs would denounce him as an “anti-semite” for doing so. Recall also that the war crimes trials were presided over in part by the Soviet Union, which of course had committed its own war crimes and crimes against humanity before the war. Some crimes that were committed by the Soviet Union were even dishonestly attributed to the Nazis at these same tribunals. Just to be clear, that doesn’t make Nazi evil doers innocent, but it does raise some concerns about just how to address such matters.

And if I’m not mistaken, the book Profiles in Courage won a Pulitzer Prize.

Jeremiah| 4.15.09 @ 8:38PM

Woooooooo! Pulitzer Prize--must give your argument legitimacy--in a strange, convoluted way. Freak.

Andrew| 4.15.09 @ 9:50PM

Yeah, sure the photo is great evidence! Just as the false eyewitness testimony at his trial in Israel was so accurate! The Russian communists manufactured evidence and the OSI sold it. The Administrative Law proceeding was a joke and so are you! Buchanan tells the truth and all of the morons come crawling out from under their rocks because if he disagrees with you he must be an anti-semite! What a crock of B.S.! How many of the jewish collaborators in the camps were tried for war crimes? Did they act willingly? Should they have let the Nazi's kill them or should they have cooperated? How come no Nazis in Germany were prosecuted by Germany, but they are anxious to try a Ukraininan with no evidence, only the shrill screams of the Ukrainian haters that desperately want another trial before all of the WWII suvivors are dead.
God have mercy on your souls, I sure don't.

MattSwartz| 4.15.09 @ 10:49PM

Idiot--what's that got to do with Antisemitism? Buchanan shouldn't have brought up Christ's crucifixion--that was inflammatory. I don't know about all of you, but there are plenty of vicious haters in your ranks. Go back under your rock.

I can't exactly tell from your comment which side you're on, but either way, you're right. There are hateful neocons and hateful paleocons.

Back to the issue, though. It is pretty un-American to turn over an old man to a foreign court based on circumstantial evidence, in spite of double jeopardy, and without an jury trial.

If saying that when the man is accused of crimes against a certain ethnic group is automatic grounds for accusations of racism, then there is a problem. Leftists act like that, and we all mock them for it.

MT| 4.15.09 @ 11:42PM

Buchanan is a bigoted hack and so are you. Quit lecturing me, morons, I'm tired of your BS. Liberals are the most hateful of all, and I think a lot of them pretend to be honest brokers --but are just trying to cause trouble. How many of you are liberals?

MT| 4.15.09 @ 11:50PM

You're nuts--who hates Ukrainians? See what I mean? Because I believe Buchanan crossed the line--I've become a Ukrainian hater. You people are morons, that's why I berate you. You come on this blog breathing fire and calling everyone haters, why? Really, you are bigger A-holes than the stupid liberal trolls who haunt this site. You have an agenda--but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. You are the Ron Paul nuts, right? You're mentally unstable. I don't hate anybody--especially Ukrainians!! Go F yourselves, idiots.

Red Phillips| 4.15.09 @ 11:58PM

MT, take your meds before you stroke out. Call Buchanan bigoted if you wish but to call him a hack reveals your hateful ignorance. Buchanan is the furthest thing from a hack.

Cliff| 4.16.09 @ 12:25AM

Wow. I cannot believe the amount of people still defending Buchanan. Must be the Paulistinian effect.

Here's something you should know: You guys have no power. You never will, thank God, so long as America remains a Democracy.

MT| 4.16.09 @ 1:06AM

Screw you, Red--you should talk about being a hater. Pat has become a bitter old man, and I used to be a big fan. Look in the mirror; you're another embittered old man. Arrogant, too.

Smitty| 4.16.09 @ 1:09AM

Red--physician, heal thyself.

MT| 4.16.09 @ 1:36AM

Oh, now I understand your vituperation--you Ron Paulists feel impotent. Though I may be sympathetic to some of your arguments (those of you who are sincere), your rage and automatic condemnation of us who may differ from you make dialogue impossible. I'm sorry about this because we probably have more in common than not. Sorry for my intemperate comments. Peace remains elusive-as usual.

Red Phillips| 4.16.09 @ 8:52AM

"Screw you, Red--you should talk about being a hater."

OH REALLY! So now I'm a hater? And what do you base this assessment on? Do you actually have any proof of my hate?

BTW, I'm not "old."

I do admit to bitterness. I'm bitter that the people who call themselves conservatives and that the media considers modal conservatives are actually not at all conservative by any historical standard. And that these phonycons attempt to ingratiate themselves with the mainstream PTB by calling the real conservatives bad names. So yes, I am a tad bit bitter.

Read something about conservatism that isn’t written by Hannity or Savage. Try Kirk or Weaver perhaps. Then get back to me.

Benton L. Bradberry| 4.16.09 @ 9:44AM

The war has been over for 64 years. Some 55 million people were killed in it, a small percentage of them Jews. All combatant countries have since made peace with each other. Germany and Japan are among our staunchest allies. No one but the Jews are out tracking down 95 year old men to either murder them summarily or to "bring them to justice," except the Jews. Christians are taught to forgive their enemies, even turn the other cheek. But the Jewish culture is an Old Testament culture of vengence. "You kill my cousin, I'll kill your cousin." Like Shylock, they want their pound of flesh. What they are doing to Demjanjuk is disgusting. He was a 23 year old young man like millions of other in uniform at the time, when and if he ever served a guard at a concentration camp. He went where he was assigned and did what he was told, like any other junior enlisted man. When will this evil revenge seeking ever stop? The Israeli Mossad (equivalent to our CIA) is still tracking down 95 year old German officers and murdering them, while in the pay of the Israeli government. Anyway, why are Jewish deaths during the war more important than the millions of others who lost their lives? Somebody shoud put a stip to this.

TLHoops| 4.16.09 @ 12:42PM

This entire sorry & sad episode is nothing more than a sinister vendetta by the OSI & Justice Department against Demjanjuk. The man was convicted, sentenced to death, tried and acquitted in Israel of all places! We (or most) all know that he wasn't "Ivan the Terrible" but do you know why or how JD was acquitted?

The OSI falsified charges he was Ivan - they purpously withheld evidence that would have unequivocally cleared JD as being Ivan. They committed fraud on the court - simply put they lied in an effort to frame JD, they wanted a "trophy" which makes them no better than any other criminal.

I question the sincerity of Holocoust mantra of "never forget - never forgive" because of a prison guard who admitted to torturing & brutalizing Jews who was living comfortably here in the USA. He lied on his immigration papers to get here and when the OSI was forced to prosecute him they determined he was too old 77 and to frail of health to be deported & tried. But JD isn't too old & frail of health?

Is it because this guard named Jacob Tannenbaum was Jewish? How does the mantra hold any sincerity when they can pick & choose who they want to go after? Does it matter if he was Jewish? He admitted his crimes with evidence to support it but JD never admitted to anything with no evidence to support otherwise. If someone hurt or killed my family I wouldn't give a flying f*** what nationallity they were!

MT| 4.16.09 @ 4:36PM

Red, I apologized for my intemperate comments, and I see you've conveniently ignored me. Doesn't surprise me, your overwrought behavior is predictable. God bless you, Red: You sound like a good man who is struggling with his own demons. I hope you find peace. I have.

Quid| 4.16.09 @ 8:26PM

This is such a sad story, and I feel nothing but sympathy for Mr. Demjanjuk. For years, this man was tagged as "Ivan the Terrible", I remember the news reports from when I was a boy. Imagine what this must be like for him and his family, that the last 30 years of their lives and the twilight of his own would be consumed with this wicked vendetta run amok. Jews, let go of the Holocaust! The spirit of vengeance is consuming you and making you into the very monsters you hate.

me| 4.16.09 @ 9:46PM

Solomon Morel killed over 1500 poles and germans. Israel refused to extradite him back to poland. he is one of dozens of Jewish NKVD and Chekka criminals living in retirement in Israel. Why no outrage about them?

and instead of prosecuting 90 year old invalids, how about we start prosecuting Israeli war criminals for the crimes in Gaza? Oh, I know that's anti semitic.

Fred| 4.17.09 @ 5:58PM

Nikolai Tolstoy made similar comments to Buchanan. He wrote, "It was evident to me long ago, when I examined the evidence and attended the trail as an expert witness, both that Demjanjuk was innocent and that the court in Jerusalem was fully aware of the fact. It was effectively a show-trial, which in many obvious ways paralleled the Dreyfus case."
See Yoram Sheftel's "The Demjanjuk Affair: The Rise and Fall of a Show-Trial."

Fred| 4.17.09 @ 6:15PM

One additional point. Buchanan never makes the charge of Jews as "Christ Killers." This smear exists only in Mr. Klein's guilt and fear-ridden mind. Buchanan began his article, "On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews -- at Sobibor camp in Poland." Cannot Buchanan summon up the image of an innocent man railroaded and crucified by the powers that be, without being anti-Semitic? I think Klein and others that think this way need to do a lot of soul-searching and realize that everytime a Christian brings up the Passion of Christ, it is not because they hate Jews.

PrattStreet| 4.17.09 @ 6:56PM

Mr. Klein prattles on about a helpless old man who was at worst a cog in the Nazi war and holocaust machine. Yet Mr. Klein seems unable to acknowledge that there have no trials for even the major players in the Ukrainian holocaust of 1932 to 1934 which killed seven million. And how about the holocausts in China (1957), Cambodia (1975-1979), and present day North Korea?

Sorry Mr. Klein. Pat Buchanan has it right, completely right.

Quartermaster| 4.17.09 @ 7:38PM

Funny - the Israeli Supreme Court overturned the trial court verdict on Demjanjuk for mistaken identity and other problems. The vile Klein places an old picture, not of the highest quality and posits a vague resemblance as a positive ID. Klein, not Buchanan, has outdone himself.

"Me" has it right. This game is played only one way and the Jews who were part of the NKVD are left alone after killing people whose number dwarf what Nazi Germany did to Jews. The anti-antisemites need to get a grip. Look in the mirror. God set Israel aside because of stiff necked trash just like this.

TRUTH| 4.17.09 @ 10:47PM

Buchanan is an antisemitic hate monger. So are many of the posters on this thread--you know who you are. Shame on you.

Jeremiah| 4.17.09 @ 10:50PM

You'd have to be stupid not to see that Pat was deliberately stirring up antisemitic hatred by bringing up Good Friday. Absolutely stupid.

Sue| 4.18.09 @ 9:00AM

"Buchanan is an antisemitic hate monger."
"deliberately stirring up antisemitic hatred"
When all else fails, call names or appeal to pity
fallacious arguments 101

Smitty| 4.18.09 @ 5:49PM

You seem to have missed the mountain of vicious names you haters hurled at the author. Moron.

Sue| 4.19.09 @ 8:49AM

"You seem to have missed the mountain of vicious names you haters hurled at the author. Moron. "
You've again proven the same point. Outstanding!

Sue| 4.19.09 @ 8:51AM

"You seem to have missed the mountain of vicious names you haters hurled at the author. Moron. "
You've again proven the same point. Outstanding!

Michael| 4.19.09 @ 12:18PM

hmm, the real Demjanjuk had a scar on his back according to that document. I wonder if anyone bothered to examine the man body.

Bill| 4.19.09 @ 12:21PM

Maybe I missed something. The U.S. is booting him out because he lied on his immigration application, specfically, he stated he wasn't a death camp guard. The evidence shows he was a death camp guard. Sure, he probably did what he thought was needed for him to survive, and maybe that was the only way for him to survive, and guess what, he survived. I see no reason why that means he should live comfortably in the U.S. On a different note, I also disagree with the decision not to prosecute U.S. torturers who were acting in "good faith" on advice from the president. Following orders is not a defense to crime. Ignorance of the law is not a defense to crime. Being in a tough spot is not a defense to crime. If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to shoot a helpless victim, you are not acting in self defense, you are acting out of self preservation. Understandable, yes, but I fail to see how that act provides any sort of legal defense. It could be considered in sentencing though.

Bulava| 4.21.09 @ 9:07PM

I can't believe the holier than thou attitudes I have come across on these comments. Demjanjuk has not spent 50 years living peacefully in the US. He has spent the last 30 years harassed and persecuted by those who feel the need to perpetuate the history of the Holocaust. The world knows about the Jewish Holocaust because we study about it in school and read about it constantly in our newspapers. Persecuting and prosecuting Demjanjuk is not going to make the world more sympathetic to that history. In fact, when the OSI feels compelled to withhold exculpatory evidence or to even fabricate false evidence in order to convict someone, anyone, of war crimes, they lose the support of the general public. Demjanjuk is set to be tried by a court which has declared amnesty for its own citizens for the crimes that they are now charging Demjanjuk with. It is time to stop this witch hunt. Demjanjuk is old and sick. Let's stop this hypocritical harassment of this frail man.

Bulava| 4.21.09 @ 9:08PM

I can't believe the holier than thou attitudes I have come across on these comments. Demjanjuk has not spent 50 years living peacefully in the US. He has spent the last 30 years harassed and persecuted by those who feel the need to perpetuate the history of the Holocaust. The world knows about the Jewish Holocaust because we study about it in school and read about it constantly in our newspapers. Persecuting and prosecuting Demjanjuk is not going to make the world more sympathetic to that history. In fact, when the OSI feels compelled to withhold exculpatory evidence or to even fabricate false evidence in order to convict someone, anyone, of war crimes, they lose the support of the general public. Demjanjuk is set to be tried by a court which has declared amnesty for its own citizens for the crimes that they are now charging Demjanjuk with. It is time to stop this witch hunt. Demjanjuk is old and sick. Let's stop this hypocritical harassment of this frail man.

Bulava| 4.21.09 @ 9:08PM

I can't believe the holier than thou attitudes I have come across on these comments. Demjanjuk has not spent 50 years living peacefully in the US. He has spent the last 30 years harassed and persecuted by those who feel the need to perpetuate the history of the Holocaust. The world knows about the Jewish Holocaust because we study about it in school and read about it constantly in our newspapers. Persecuting and prosecuting Demjanjuk is not going to make the world more sympathetic to that history. In fact, when the OSI feels compelled to withhold exculpatory evidence or to even fabricate false evidence in order to convict someone, anyone, of war crimes, they lose the support of the general public. Demjanjuk is set to be tried by a court which has declared amnesty for its own citizens for the crimes that they are now charging Demjanjuk with. It is time to stop this witch hunt. Demjanjuk is old and sick. Let's stop this hypocritical harassment of this frail man.

Bulava| 4.21.09 @ 9:09PM

I can't believe the holier than thou attitudes I have come across on these comments. Demjanjuk has not spent 50 years living peacefully in the US. He has spent the last 30 years harassed and persecuted by those who feel the need to perpetuate the history of the Holocaust. The world knows about the Jewish Holocaust because we study about it in school and read about it constantly in our newspapers. Persecuting and prosecuting Demjanjuk is not going to make the world more sympathetic to that history. In fact, when the OSI feels compelled to withhold exculpatory evidence or to even fabricate false evidence in order to convict someone, anyone, of war crimes, they lose the support of the general public. Demjanjuk is set to be tried by a court which has declared amnesty for its own citizens for the crimes that they are now charging Demjanjuk with. It is time to stop this witch hunt. Demjanjuk is old and sick. Let's stop this hypocritical harassment of this frail man.

Bulava| 4.21.09 @ 9:10PM

I can't believe the holier than thou attitudes I have come across on these comments. Demjanjuk has not spent 50 years living peacefully in the US. He has spent the last 30 years harassed and persecuted by those who feel the need to perpetuate the history of the Holocaust. The world knows about the Jewish Holocaust because we study about it in school and read about it constantly in our newspapers. Persecuting and prosecuting Demjanjuk is not going to make the world more sympathetic to that history. In fact, when the OSI feels compelled to withhold exculpatory evidence or to even fabricate false evidence in order to convict someone, anyone, of war crimes, they lose the support of the general public. Demjanjuk is set to be tried by a court which has declared amnesty for its own citizens for the crimes that they are now charging Demjanjuk with. It is time to stop this witch hunt. Demjanjuk is old and sick. Let's stop this hypocritical harassment of this frail man.

Passingby| 4.21.09 @ 9:56PM

I didn't used to be anti-semitic but I am becoming so. Twenty million murdered in the Bolshevik Holocaust, brushed under the carpet of history as apparently it's okay if that happens again while a man, who's already been wrongfully imprisoned once, gets a second bite of Jewish venom.

The double standard is sickening.

bob hart| 4.23.09 @ 2:34PM

"I didn't used to be anti-semitic but I am becoming so. "

LOL!

No, Passingby...you are already there, and doubtlessly always have been.

It infuriates Jew haters that anyone would be tried just for killing Hebrews.

Suffer, bubby.

Toosay| 4.25.09 @ 2:04AM

What sort of culture is it that characterizes someone of differing opinion as a 'VICIOUS HATER'? That's how small children think and behave between the ages of about 3yrs and 5yrs old, isn't it? The age of the violent tantrum.

To perceive 'hate' and to feel 'hate' and to express 'hate' are one and the same thing, because as an emotion it can only ever be subjectively experienced, no matter how it is outwardly projected. A quick look at this thread reveals who it is that is obsessing over 'hate' and I wonder if the same can be said about accusations of 'antisemitism', because just like 'hate', it's so much more than a simple act of violent intimidation and a disengagement from discourse. It is an attempt to dehumanize the other that in turn intends to legitimate any inhuman act.

What queer fish!

Kevin Riley O'Keeffe| 5.1.09 @ 3:48PM

There's no evidence Demjanjuk is guilty of anything. He was convicted of being "Ivan the Terrible," but the Israeli Supreme Court overturned that conviction (not on a technicality, mind you, but because they deemed he was innocent of that charge). So now, the usual suspects have declared, "well, he must be some OTHER war criminal, then!" Only an idiot would believe that. Ergo the author of this article is either an idiot, or a liar working to prosecute an innocent man. Neither would surprise me.

If you get acquitted for robbing a bank, do they just charge you with robbing some other, random bank, until they get a conviction? Maybe that's next on the agenda, for the warping of the criminal justice system....

Roland Nachtigall| 5.3.09 @ 9:46PM

The US Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations was found guilty of Fraud Upon the Court and Reckless Disregard of the Facts when it framed Demjanjuk the first time. Astounding, Janet Reno and her boys never investigated the OSI and punishment was never rendered to the Justice Department fraudsters. Give credit to the White House press corps, for they did press Reno on that, and Reno sidestepped every question with her big feet.

The Holocaust Industry always gets its sacrificial lamb however. It will settle for at a good slandering of Demjanjuk in the press before he dies.

There is no evidence that Demjanjuk ever harmed anyone -- especially while Demjanjuk is the ultimate victim of the Holocaust as a Red Army POW, half starved to death, then persecuted by Holocaust Industry using a "visa violation" for some pressured federal judge to recommend a heave ho.

Uniformly Uninformed| 5.7.09 @ 6:27PM

Defending a man from alleged Nazi activities does not an antisemite make. A reasonable argument would be, put up, or shut up - where is the evidence?

" It infuriates Jew haters that anyone would be tried just for killing Hebrews.

Suffer, bubby. "

Do you see how puerile your arguments are? Noone is saying the Holocaust didnt happen or that they dont like Jews. What they are saying is the man is 89 years old and the evidence is sketchy, to say the least. Remember, this is the great embarrassment to Israel - Ivan the Terrible, who turned out to be, well, not so much.

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Mark Ira Kaufman| 12.15.09 @ 8:28AM

The only mistake regarding the identity of Ivan the Terrible was the notion that he was some singular infamous war criminal. The truth is that there were numerous Ivans the Terrible - Ukrainians fighting in the Soviet Army who, upon being captured by the Nazis, volunteered to work in the death camps in exchange for better conditions than they would have endured as POW's.

Since the single charge the State of Israel leveled against Demjanjuk was that of having operated the gas chambers at Treblinka, he was ultimately acquitted, but NOT because he was an innocent man. The Israeli Supreme Court reversed the conviction because it was shown that among all the acts of brutality and mass murder Demjanjuk committed, operating the gas chambers at Treblinka was not one of them.

And since the principle of speciality prevented Israel from trying him for any of the other numerous acts of savagery spelled out in the trial and even in the acquittal itself, Demjanjuk's life was spared.

It should be remembered that Demjanjuk’s destination was to have been the Soviet Union, specifically the Ukraine. Secretary of State George Schultz approved the deportation. But before Demjanjuk was deported, Israel requested his extradition.

After all appeals, including one before Judge Robert Bork, were exhausted, Israel’s request for extradition was granted.

Since the U.S.S.R. took a very dim view of their soldiers working for the Nazis, in all likelihood the Soviet Union would have executed Demjanjuk.

As such, the ultimate irony is that his extradition to Israel ultimately saved his life.

Mark Horgan| 1.18.10 @ 3:00PM

Demjanjuk = Modern Drejfus. The problem is with the people who run the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in the USA. These people were tasked with the identification of Nazi war criminals. Unfortunately, they were not able to find any so they just framed poor innocent John Demjanjuk. Worth noting is that the OSI hid exculpatory evicence (proving Demjanjuk's was innocent) and were found to have committed prosecutorial misconduct for this crime. Further the Israeli supreme court freed Demjanjuk after a lower court found him guilty. The supreme court found the famous Trawniki ID card to be a FORGERY. Yet the very same OSI which was found to be guilty of prosecutorial misconduct, was allowed to again deport Demjanjuk (this time to Germany) using the same FORGERY. Amazing !! These corrupt officials in the OSI did this for one reason only - they needed to keep their well paying jobs. If they can't find a real war criminal, then they will just make up evidence to frame an innocent man. In the end they get to keep the well paying (taxpayer funded) Nazi hunter jobs. Freedom for the POW Demjanjuk, and may the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on the corrupt OSI Jews who have nailed him to a cross.