On the main site, Matthew Vadum
makes the case for Norm Coleman continuing to fight on, but
place me in the
Scott Johnson camp in thinking that Franken did not steal the
election. In an election this close, there is simply no way to
know beyond doubt who really won, the losing side will always
feel jilted, and there are always enough irregularities to give
comfort to those who are looking for evidence of cheating. The
thought of the obnoxious Franken being a U.S. Senator is
nauseating to me, but objectively speaking, I think the election
and recount was a fair and open process. It doesn't help
Coleman's credibility that when he was ahead, he and his
representatives were making the exact opposite arguments as when
he was behind -- on whether the process was fair, on whether
certain ballots should be counted, and on whether the trailing
candidate should concede. In these situations, it's like a
contoversial call at the end of a crucial playoff game. The fans
of the losing team may argue that they were screwed, but that's
why you don't want to be in a position in which one call by the
referee could determine the outcome of the game. Similarly, if
Coleman didn't run a poor campaign and
squander a lead that was once in the double digits, he
wouldn't have had to worry about whether a shift in a few hundred
votes would determine the outcome of the election.
Phil,
There is a difference between a lawful process and a fair
process. The process in Minnesota has been open, and the REVIEW
of it has been conducted according to the law, but only AFTER the
Franken side gamed the law while the Coleman side sat on its
hands. In short, it has been lawful, perhaps, but not fair. It
looks to me that the election WAS stolen by use of all the
subterfuges Coleman's team now alleges, but that there is no
legal remedy for those subterfuges. In other words, it looks to
me like Coleman got more legit votes than Franken did, but that
Franken 's team protected (or created) more votes in the
aftermath, in a way not challengeable in the courts after the
dirty deeds were done.
Everyone got their shot in court, and the court is where these
issues are supposed to be decided. It didn't help Coleman that
his legal team argued FOR including some ballots, and then later
AGAINST the very same ballots, and the court noted their
inconsistency. If the election were held today, Coleman would
lose by 20% because of all the negative publicity he has
generated, and he is probably costing other MN Republicans votes
with every headline. Coleman's ethical problems have been kept at
bay so far, but they are getting ready to rear up and bite him.
It's time to go home, Norm, to your overleveraged house, and try
to figure out how you are going to pay for it and who will be
buying your suits for you.
I just came across the judgment online, and the court was not
happy with Coleman, to the point where they dismissed his case
"with prejudice." Coleman is on the hook not only for the court
costs, but for Franken's legal team too. Coleman should have quit
when he was behind.
Bob| 4.14.09 @ 1:01PM
Phil, you are absolutely correct on this. Of all of the states,
Minnesota has long been known as one of the fairest. I'm not even
willing to concede that Coleman ran a poor campaign as we always
say that about the loser. But Franken did not win because he was
the better candidate, he won because the Republican party is weak
and intellectually bankrupt. Furthermore, there is a divisive
split between fiscal conservative/social libertarian and social
conservative wings of the party to such an extent that the Dems
don't even have to try the divide and conquer exercise -- we do a
good job of that ourselves.
MT| 4.14.09 @ 5:18PM
You have to stop ACORN---BEFORE---the election; post-election
it's too late. The dems have perfected the art of election theft,
and I believe it's naive to blame Coleman.
Quin| 4.14.09 @ 11:13AM
Phil,
There is a difference between a lawful process and a fair process. The process in Minnesota has been open, and the REVIEW of it has been conducted according to the law, but only AFTER the Franken side gamed the law while the Coleman side sat on its hands. In short, it has been lawful, perhaps, but not fair. It looks to me that the election WAS stolen by use of all the subterfuges Coleman's team now alleges, but that there is no legal remedy for those subterfuges. In other words, it looks to me like Coleman got more legit votes than Franken did, but that Franken 's team protected (or created) more votes in the aftermath, in a way not challengeable in the courts after the dirty deeds were done.
Repack Rider| 4.14.09 @ 11:26AM
Everyone got their shot in court, and the court is where these issues are supposed to be decided. It didn't help Coleman that his legal team argued FOR including some ballots, and then later AGAINST the very same ballots, and the court noted their inconsistency. If the election were held today, Coleman would lose by 20% because of all the negative publicity he has generated, and he is probably costing other MN Republicans votes with every headline. Coleman's ethical problems have been kept at bay so far, but they are getting ready to rear up and bite him. It's time to go home, Norm, to your overleveraged house, and try to figure out how you are going to pay for it and who will be buying your suits for you.
Repack Rider| 4.14.09 @ 11:56AM
I just came across the judgment online, and the court was not happy with Coleman, to the point where they dismissed his case "with prejudice." Coleman is on the hook not only for the court costs, but for Franken's legal team too. Coleman should have quit when he was behind.
Bob| 4.14.09 @ 1:01PM
Phil, you are absolutely correct on this. Of all of the states, Minnesota has long been known as one of the fairest. I'm not even willing to concede that Coleman ran a poor campaign as we always say that about the loser. But Franken did not win because he was the better candidate, he won because the Republican party is weak and intellectually bankrupt. Furthermore, there is a divisive split between fiscal conservative/social libertarian and social conservative wings of the party to such an extent that the Dems don't even have to try the divide and conquer exercise -- we do a good job of that ourselves.
MT| 4.14.09 @ 5:18PM
You have to stop ACORN---BEFORE---the election; post-election it's too late. The dems have perfected the art of election theft, and I believe it's naive to blame Coleman.