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ruth| 3.29.09 @ 9:35PM

This is Axelrod's strategy to demoralize their (Obama's) opponents; probably originated from Alinsky. It's called astro-turfing, and they used it against Hillary first. I read about it on Hillary's supporters' blogs during the Democrat Primary, (it drove them nuts). They're paid--Jeremiah, JHarp, Obama Rules, Interloper--(Bob?), etc., and their attacks are coordinated. It's obvious. That's why I'm very mean to them.

Bill Bailey| 3.29.09 @ 9:38PM

Keep it up, Ruth. They deserve all the abuse we can throw at them. America is worth fighting for.

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 9:49PM

Bring it on.

You are delusional. I'm just an ordinary middle class father who is tired of the right wing lies and intend to call you out on it.

Though I often name call it is always, always, as a result of one of the right wing lies.

I figure if you can lie you are fair game.

czekmark| 10.4.09 @ 11:35PM

Of course you do the same when you detect a leftist lie, don't you?

Publius804| 3.29.09 @ 9:51PM

The left sees their small window to ram through much of what they want - they will stoop to any level to get it. Breitbart is right they must be met head on.

Roy| 3.29.09 @ 9:53PM

Yeah - some simple measures, such as PASSWORD AUTHENTICATION(hint, hint, TAS) can at least prevent some of the most obnoxious trolling behavior such as falsifying your name.

Preventing those with no lives from spamming comment threads to death is harder - some limitation on how many comments any one person can post to a given thread couldn't hurt.

There is also a tremendous amount of blatant lying and personal story mongering, often just done for ego, but I can readily imagining coordinated activists doing it for political motivation. One is the relentless liars who call in to radio shows claiming to be "lifelong Republicans", but it can be much more subtle than that. The key is to educate people to filter that out and make arguments stand on their own.

Still though - in the end I'm mainly hearing that leftist organizations have a strategy to state the leftist viewpoint on right wing blog comment sections(often dishonestly).

Well damn, good strategy. Why don't we do it(minus the dishonesty, which mirrors the leftist dishonesty in other fora)?

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 9:53PM

Hats off to Breitbart and the (few) others in LaLaLand for recognizing the insidious nature of leftist poisoning of the popular culture.

Soviet and American Communists made a significant effort to do this in the fifties and succeeded in part by branding their exposure as Red Scare paranoia. The only remedy then, as now, is reliable and cogent confrontation and refutation every time they surface.

We see trolls like Dave Mathews and jharp who live here at the AS primarily to annoy thoughtful debate. They certainly never score intellectual points.

Both of these individuals use the same technique; ridicule of right-thinkers in the most general terms, comparing conservative principles to religious fundamentalism and always lobbing a couple of references to their own unique intelligence .

I find that when you rain on them with common-knowlege factoids they are soon reduced to sputtering namecalling and go away for awhile.

jefferson| 3.29.09 @ 9:54PM

Another way to combat this is to make use of the IP addresses of trollers, match them up with a databank of other trollers, and take it back to them. Likely they're being paid by Podesta's rich tyrant of a boss. To do this, they'd need to coordinate with other websites.

Larry| 3.29.09 @ 9:55PM

No, Jharp, you're not. You're a troll, instructed by your handlers to destroy any and all opposition to the Lord High Obamamessiah, your master (or, more precisely, his Teleprompter). "ordinary middle class father", yeah right, Komrade.

jaol1fe| 3.29.09 @ 9:56PM

The little drones think they are so smart but they are very obvious. The best way to deal with them is to get loaded with the facts and then be just as relentless as they are.

I refuse to cower and shut up.

Publius804| 3.29.09 @ 9:57PM

Hey Jharp, you claim you're a father (poor kids) - why don't you go tend to your family and leave the political discussion to the adults ok junior?

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 9:57PM

OK jharp;
Give us your Top 3 'Right Wing Lies.'

CS Lewis| 3.29.09 @ 10:01PM

I just read Breitbart also and he's right.
Ruth is right about the hooligans who show up here: Bob, jharp Jeremiah, Obama Rules, Interloper.
I'm sick of listening to these Obama tools. It's a waste of time arguing with them. Why give them space. They're no different than the lying Islamist and they're stinking up the place.
The Word would have turned them to cinders by now! Enough is enough.

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 10:04PM

jaol1fe| 3.29.09 @ 9:56PM

"The best way to deal with them is to get loaded with the facts and then be just as relentless as they are."

There you go. I tip my hat to you. Good post.

That's all anyone can ask for, the facts. Can't wait to see a few of them here. It would make for a nice change from the wingnut hackery posted.

And a little hint. The facts are not on your side.

Kind of ironic that you post a lie by breitbart to start the thread. There is not one shred of evidence to support breitbart's moronic claim.

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 10:07PM

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 9:57PM

OK jharp;
Give us your Top 3 'Right Wing Lies.'

Tops is hard to do but three of the most absurd.

Obama is a muslim.
Obama is not a natural born citizen.
Rush is a serious political commentator.

Bill Bailey| 3.29.09 @ 10:09PM

Is that what your focus group told you to say, jharp? Seriously, why do you give a sh-- what we right wingers are saying? You are here for a reason. Even if you're not part of a troll campaign, you're still a troll. Make a conservative or centrist statement at DailyKos and watch how fast it gets buried. You could time it with a stopwatch, bucko.

jaol1fe| 3.29.09 @ 10:10PM

And a little hint. The facts are not on your side.

Kind of ironic that you post a lie by breitbart to start the thread. There is not one shred of evidence to support breitbart's moronic claim.

===============

That was my first post here. I posted based on personal experience on another forum that has had invasion after invasion of the 0bama trolls since before the election.

It is quite easy to post the facts that are not DNC propaganda. ;)

Robbins Mitchell| 3.29.09 @ 10:10PM

Useful idiots like 'jharp' like to claim that the right 'lies',but they never can seem to pinpoint what it is they are referring to....just generic 'lies'....as if they're saying that is all the 'proof' that is needed to illustrate that he is on the side of 'right'....we used to call that sophistry back in college.....probably an unknown concept to 'jharp' and company

Bill Bailey| 3.29.09 @ 10:11PM

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 10:07PM

Top 2 are bogus, 3 is not.

Joel Raupe| 3.29.09 @ 10:12PM

The President's purported admiration for Lincoln shown in symbolism during the Inauguration took me back to 1861, and arguably our nation's first Summer of Rage, when Lincoln turned a "blind eye" to mob violence used to silence opposition to that war among Democrat newspapers in the North.

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 10:13PM

Thanks jharp;

To argue the first two 'lies' you'd be better off at WorldNet Daily. I have not seen any columns to that effect at the Spectator.

The third 'lie' is proven every weekday from 12-3. Check him out. By the way, he does political humor pretty well too.

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 10:15PM

Just went and read right wing hack breitbart's oped and found this beauty.

"The right, for the most part, embraces basic Judeo-Christian ideals and would not promote nor defend the propaganda techniques that were perfected in godless communist and socialist regimes."

Good God. This from the group that embraced George Bush's torture and lies that led to the deaths of 4,500 American's and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's.

And you wonder why we're pissed off?

Publius804| 3.29.09 @ 10:20PM

John Nolte wrote:

"It's a war of attrition. The idea is to wear us down and exhaust us so we stop gathering, motivating each other, and coming up with ideas.They make weeding them out labor intensive hoping we'll give up on comments altogether -- because then we're not communicating and gathering and game planning... We're simply in the dark, demoralized and feeling lost. It's a genius tactic. Dirty as hell, but effective."

This is what trolls like Harpie are trying to do. They want us to give up. Harpies hatred of Andrew Breitbart shows that Andrew is onto something.

jharp| 3.29.09 @ 10:26PM

John Cole, ex wingnut, just posted something that all of you here ought to give some long hard serious thought to.

"I used to get really, really agitated when people would attack me while using pseudonyms and remaining anonymous. I remember several times when I would fly completely off the handle and become unhinged, it would infuriate me so much. This was back when everything I thought I knew was crumbling all around me and it was starting to dawn on me what a fraud the GOP was, so I was more volatile, to put it mildly

And then at some point, something remarkable occurred to me. I realized that if I didn’t want anonymous people mocking me, there was an easy solution. I could quit saying and doing such incredibly stupid things. It was quite a revelation.

Now as we all know, I haven’t heeded my own advice, and I continue to say stupid things on an almost hourly basis. But if Rep. Doogan doesn’t like it when anonymous people call him an idiot, the easiest thing to do would be to STOP BEING SUCH AN IDIOT."

Thank you Mr. Cole. Well said.

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 10:27PM

jharp;

'George Bush's torture' was an aggressive and effective interrogation technique used on less than 6 top al-Quaida types who had significant information on plans to kill Americans. It is also used on own pilots in training to prepare them for stressful captivity. You may have seen it demonstrated on a Fox News reporter as well.

How long would you resist using it if you thought those jihadists were planning to kill your children?

tnxplant| 3.29.09 @ 10:31PM

Typing letters on a keypad and posting a comment doesn't make your assertions true (10:15P post). Lies know no political boundaries.

And cherry-picking ridiculous claims that have been dismissed by serious conservatives (10:07P post) is a poor excuse for substantive discussion of ideas or policies.

Most comment sections on blogs of any stripe seem to be very short on critical thought and long on name-calling, foul language, and spin.

Claire Solt| 3.29.09 @ 10:38PM

There is nothing right ot left wing about saying that Obama is a Muslim or is not a citizen. These are both matters of fact, not ideology.

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 10:51PM

Jharp's been silent for over a half hour.
I guess he took Mr. Cole's advice.

Back to the subject at hand; Breitbart's lament about conservative silence in the popular culture.

I would love to see Fox's RedEye program be pitted against the Jon Stewart time slot. Perfect antidote to the fashionable lefty wisecrack hour.

Basil Plumley| 3.29.09 @ 10:52PM

Jharp
If you're not a plant, then you must be an idiot.
I figured you wouldn't be back since the last time you were here, you really embarrassed yourself. Then again, it takes a brave person to admit they wear their Mommy's wardrobe. I guess no one can accuse you of not being stylish.

Nuke| 3.29.09 @ 10:54PM

Publius804 said:
"Harpies hatred of Andrew Breitbart shows that Andrew is onto something. "

Breitbart's Big Hollywood site is a breath of fresh air. Yes, he's on to something. We conservatives would do well to listen to him.

tonypal| 3.29.09 @ 11:12PM

jharp:

Obviously discussing like-minded "thinkers" (ahem), you said "And you wonder why we're pissed off? "

I for one don't wonder why you're pissed off and I've never really been too concerned with why a perpetual adolescent with a low watt IQ is pissed off. In fact, I'm glad you're pissed off because being pissed off is a miserable way to go through life. Just knowing that you were miserable for 8 years and continue to be miserable warms this rightwing nut job's heart.

It also warms my heart to know that you are utterly obsessed with this site and what goes on here. You can be found posting all over the place at TAS. It can't be to gather information, because nearly everyone of your posts is a diatribe on someone's stupidity. Therefore, the only thing to conclude is that you are some sort of sado-masochistic freak that enjoys punishment and humiliation.

Now surely there is a joint you can visit somewhere near where your mom lives, as you undoubtedly sleep on a cot in her basement, to get your fill of abuse. Perhaps that's what you do to pass the lonely hours between the time you've finished posting here at TAS and the time you finish cooking up the days batch of meth to sell to the teenage girls you dream of while sitting in your underwear surfing your special websites (other than TAS, of course).

Toodle-loo.

JJC| 3.29.09 @ 11:16PM

jharp:

Not eligible?

Maybe yes, maybe no. But know this:

I cannot send my own kids to school without a vault copy, (photocopies not allowed) long form birth certificate. I have one for each in my desk.

If Mr. Obama had one, I cannot think of an intelligent reason for not furnishing it. What he has posted won't even get you a drivers license, let along put your kids into our school system.

Not saying he is or isn't, but his behavior on this issue is, frankly, irrational.

Be well, and I do mean that.

Jim| 3.29.09 @ 11:19PM

Well jharp you have been exposed and along with your moveon.org. troll buddies, not to mention the teleprompter messiah's bogus internet town hall.
Perhaps you will find a job in the new,exciting field of teleprompter repair. All you have to do is get out of your mother's basement and realize that obama cannot cure male pattern baldness.
Later liberal loser.

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 11:30PM

Now, now; Jim and JJC....

jharp assured me the other day that he is a happily married family guy, self-employed for the past 25 years with a reasonable level of success in business.

In other words, Reagonomics has allowed jharp to succeed in our unfair, capitalistic system.

Apparently he only comes here to dispel the false information put out by Republican wingnuts so that real conservatives don't get distracted in their search for ways out of the wilderness.

He has taken his Valium tonight and is no doubt gone beddie bye while dreaming about receiving a bailout check signed by the Community Organizer in Chief.

Jpatt| 3.29.09 @ 11:34PM

I've seen the liberal trash first hand. They are liberal fascists. "We won deal with it" That is their latest slogan. Sorry, Bush won in '04 and they refused to deal with it. Good defeats evil, that is the end game. Short term gain, short term vision is a liberal problem. We win the fight against the enemies of the state-Democrats. You won, but not fair and square. You won, but you lied your way to power. You won but the founders would call you the enemy.

stmichrick| 3.29.09 @ 11:35PM

He awake!

jharp; you know there is conservative silence on the 3 broadcast networks; major city newspapers and television and movie entertainment outside of Fox and talk radio.

Who' s the pea brain?

ruth| 3.30.09 @ 12:39AM

GE , under the moron, Jeff Immelt, continued its business dealings with Iran long after other U.S. companies had stopped. He did this by using European 'shadow companies' to hide the transactions. Traitor. Immelt has also been responsible for GE losing $363,000,000,000.00 (lots of zeros!) in value over the last 18 months. Not only is Immelt a traitor--he's a stupid and incompetent traitor. Now the federal government (democrats) is backing billions of dollars of GE bonds . Liberals do stick together, don't they?

Matthew Vadum| 3.30.09 @ 1:11AM

Actually, jharp, General Electric (GE) is a company that tilts to the left.
GE long ago sold out to Jesse Jackson's so-called Wall Street Project.
The company also promotes and expects to benefit from cap-and-trade (see http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1212187939.pdf and http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1217525953.pdf) and its philanthropy leans to port (
see http://www.capitalresearch.org/news/news.html?id=431 and http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1185995021.pdf and
http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/x3759843322.pdf).
Maybe you should do some research instead of reflexively espousing liberal positions.
All the best.

Bill Bailey| 3.30.09 @ 1:14AM

Ruth, liberals do stick together, and morons do too. Oh, I repeat myself.

Thers| 3.30.09 @ 1:21AM

Gosh, the GOP would NEVER stoop to internet trolling.

Oh wait. Yes they would. And, famously, did.

Basil Plumley| 3.30.09 @ 1:36AM

@ Thers

You DO realize the distinction between Conservatives and the GOP?

If you did, you wouldn't embarrass yourself with that weak post.
Besides, Breitbart was talking about taking the fight to the Left to compensate for the overwhelming presence of the Left on the web sites of the good guys.

ruth| 3.30.09 @ 2:30AM

Liberals will never understand Conservatives because we are principled people. It's not always easy to live by these ideals, and sometimes our actions don't appear to be in our own self-interest; but it's the only way I know how to be. Can you be an idealistic Conservative AND a bare-knuckled street fighter? We need some warriors in the worst way right now because libtard street thugs are kickin' our b*tts. Might makes right, unfortunately.

Willey| 3.30.09 @ 6:38AM

White House entourage of MORE than 500 plus staff will be attending the G20 summit this week. More than 500 PLUS staff? Is this Obummer's chance to pay back every hack who helped him get elected? Will his ACORN protection guard be there, too? What a disgusting, low-class display.

Plumb Bob| 3.30.09 @ 7:28AM

Guys like jharp actually prevent any reasonable discussion. That's part of the strategy; by making disruptive and abusive comments, they derail any serious strategy formulation, and keep conservatives in reactive mode. Then they make the charge in other fora -- somewhat accurately because their strategy has worked -- that conservatives have no ideas of their own, but are simply anti-liberals.

You'll see the pattern on any major conservative blog that permits comments. You'll not see it on any liberal blogs, because they're aware of the strategy and head it off by denying conservatives access.

The difference illustrates a key difference between the American right and the American left. The right is interested in the robust exchange of ideas, and values a free and open discussion. The left is interested in keeping and maintaining power, and only gives lip service to free expression because it sells well.

Plumb Bob| 3.30.09 @ 7:36AM

It became apparent to me on my own blog that somebody on the left has assigned observers to conservative blogs.

A few weeks after my blog made Wizbang's finals for Best Conservative Blog, I received a small flood of hits from a site called "sadlyno.com." When I visited the site to find out why, I discovered that a commenter there had directed attention toward something I'd written that he felt was particularly silly. From the details he provided in his description of my blog, it was obvious that he'd been reading systematically for at least a year, even though he felt contempt for my point of view. Why would anybody systematically read a blog they despised, unless they had been assigned? My blog is small -- 200 to 300 hits a day -- and hardly deserves attention. But there he was, directing commenters to my site, and systematically following it.

I'd very much like to know who's coordinating this, and what their strategy is. We need to figure this out, because they're succeeding in demolishing our liberties, and we need to protect ourselves.

Plumb Bob| 3.30.09 @ 7:42AM

"Thers| 3.30.09 @ 1:21AM

Gosh, the GOP would NEVER stoop to internet trolling. Oh wait. Yes they would. And, famously, did."

A different commenter posted exactly the same link on the Washington Times site under Breitbart's post.

That the link is to a lame, innocuous, and completely honest version of the vicious flood of filth the left has organized is only a side point. The main point is that they've clearly prepared in a coordinated fashion for any attempt to expose their strategy.

We're in a war for our liberties, folks, and the enemy has no morals. None. They will literally do and say anything, no matter how indecent, so long as it works.

Deborah| 3.30.09 @ 8:35AM

Good for Breitbart that he's actually coming out and saying this. It's been pretty obvious for a while, especially on the TAS site that these people are rampant. Why are they so afraid of what those on the right are saying? Because they like to hide what they are doing, and we are actually pointing out what they are doing and making logical and fact-based arguments against their tyranny (yes, I mean tyranny -- "arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority").

They don't like any criticism because they can't answer it without calling people names and lying or saying "it's Bush's fault." Well, the truth likes to be free. It will come out whether in great gobs of truth or little by little. We've got your number, and we will continue to tell the truth -- whether it's "politically correct" (another left-wing way to curb speech) or not. Get used to it.

Ran| 3.30.09 @ 8:57AM

Plumb,
Exactly. Well said. I'm, not so sure they're assigned so often as rewarded by responses that keeps them around. Feed a troll, he will return.

One solution is to simply erase their gharbazh from the comments sections as they arise, and filter for useful content. At some point, the troll, starved for attention, will seek it elsewhere.

Another solution is to limit comments to paying subscribers and apply the rule above.

Crusader| 3.30.09 @ 9:11AM

Do what I do, ignore them. Responding back to them is playing right into their hands. It keeps them relevant. If you stop posting back to them, they'll eventually go away.

If I wanted to read dem talking points I would go to Kos.

Thomas| 3.30.09 @ 10:56AM

You may remember your mother telling you that sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. Take this to heart. People only have as much power over you as you allow. Reasoned, intellectual discourse is something to be treasured. However, most of our resident trolls soon descend into the highly reasoned responses of "OH, yeah?" and " Only an idiot would say that." This quickly identifies these internet saboteurs and the best bet is simply to ignore them. To try to have a logical, informed discussion with them is analogous to trying to teach a pig to sing. You are only wasting your time and it annoys the pig.

evil left-wing genius| 3.30.09 @ 12:44PM

More conspiracy theories from Plumb Bob. Here's the reality. There's this thing called Memeorandum that has links to inane posts from rightblogs. Us evil leftist masterminds like to visit those blogs to see what further inanities are spouted. Then we comment as we see fit. Just like right now. Pretty simple, no?

PALIN 2012!| 3.30.09 @ 1:28PM

Simple minded like you, evil commie. Loser.

BD57| 3.30.09 @ 2:10PM

Here's the thing ....

ignore the trolls and they fail.

While their goal is to deflect, distract, infuriate and intimidate, they have no ability to force any of us to play.

So don't.

evil left-wing genius| 3.30.09 @ 2:28PM

Oh man, you've blown my cover, Palin 2012. I'm a commie. Now that you know, you must be dealt with by my elite commie squad of assassins. Hark! What was that noise outside your door? Bwahahaha!

Ran| 3.30.09 @ 2:42PM

BD57 has it... Folks, please please DNFTT.

ruth| 3.30.09 @ 5:16PM

Okay, Ran--what ya want to talk about then? How's the weather in your parts? LOL!

ChipD| 3.30.09 @ 8:46PM

Oh come on now!

Yes, anyone who disagrees with the post must be a paid agent provocateur. It is unthinkable that anyone would want to engage others in a discussion, with differing viewpoints.

Folks, this is why they call the blogs "echo chambers"- if you venture outside the amen chorus, you are attacked and shouted down.

Sorry to disappoint, but there are in fact many former conservatives who are not happy with the direction the movement has taken. Clapping hands over ears and denying that isn't going to bring back the Reagan Revolution.

The conservative movement needs to get MORE engaged with the rest of the country, not less.

Merriweather| 3.30.09 @ 9:13PM

Why not just block the trolls' IPs? Better yet, harvest their IPs and share them with other blogs so they can be blocked.

lynnrockets| 3.31.09 @ 12:39AM

We can engage with all groups of people--but I won't compromise my Conservative principles. No way, no how.

CH| 3.31.09 @ 12:41AM

ChipD, why won't the liberal blogs allow dissent? Why don't you point them out? Talk about echo chambers.

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