I was as staunchly opposed to the Obama stimulus package as
anybody, but I really don't see the point in Republican governors
refusing to accept money that the federal government will be
handing out to states. Howard Kurtz's
column today tries to portray it as hypocritical for stimulus
opponents to accept government cash, and there's some
disappointment among conservatives that Mark Sanford, a
vocal critic of the stimulus bill, suggested he's open to
accepting money allocated to South Carolina.
Here's the thing. Yes, in a folk hero sort of way, it would be
great fun to see Republican governors refuse to accept the money.
But on a practical level, I don't see how it makes any sense. The
battle is over. The forces who want to spend more taxpayer money
won. If every Republican governor refused to accept the stimulus
money, it's not like Congress would go back and reduce the cost
of the stimulus package by that amount. Taxpayers in South
Carolina will be partially subsidizing all of the stimulus
spending no matter whether they like it or not. So, they may as
well get what they can out of the stimulus package, and try their
best to spend the money as productively as possible.
The theory that those governors who opposed the stimulus package
should reject the stimulus money is equivalent to taxpayers
refusing to use government programs or services which they
oppose. Followed to its logical conclusion, that would mean I
can't ever ride Amtrak, because I want it to be fully private, or
that I can't collect whatever is left of Social Security when I
reach retirement, because I want the option to invest my payroll
taxes in private accounts.
And the
other idea -- that Sanford should reject the stimulus funds
and force the state legislature to overturn his decision -- seems
like needless theatrics to me. If a Sanford were to reject funds
knowing that he'll be forced to accept them anyway, he may as
well just accept them in the first place.
I may have missed something, but I believe that if bailout money
is accepted, states are required to increase entitlement
spending. Entitlement programs and the rediculous retirement
benefits afforded to government employees are a large reason many
state budgets have ballooned the way that they have in recent
years. However, if the states do not accept the money they will
be forced to make cuts to wasteful spending. I think that in the
long term it makes sense to cut a government budget by say 5
billion a year and go through the pain of not getting the "free
lunch" that the federal government is offering. If this money
came with no strings attached I would agree with you, however a
refusal of federal bailout funds leaves states an opportunity to
correct the real issue... their inflated budgets. Acceptance not
only prolongs, but worsens the issue.
Real American| 2.20.09 @ 11:35AM
Sanford and other GOP governors who oppose the porkulous bill
should offer a tax cut or rebate to its citizens equivalent to
every dollar it receives from this bill. And all other spending
in the state budgets should be cut to offset dollar for dollar
the pork received.
Thomas| 2.20.09 @ 11:54AM
There is no such thing as a free lunch, especially where the
federal government is concerned. I am a talking head is exactly
on the mark there. Whenever a state accepts federal funding, for
anything, that state surrenders some of its sovereignty. In order
to receive this money, the state must meet federal guidelines,
many of which have little or nothing to do with uses for which
the money is earmarked. The same is true of the porkulus funds.
The porkulus money will further increase the power of the federal
government at the expense of the state and local governments.
Remember, states can not just print currency to fund projects, as
the federal government is doing to fund the various stimulus and
relief bills. If they could, then we would all go down the toilet
more quickly.
One Hung Low| 2.20.09 @ 12:35PM
I'm staunchly against the Stimulus (as it were), but all
governors have an obligation to stand in line on behalf of their
constituents for their portion of the crap sandwich.
Let's not conflate matters. It is one thing to oppose passage of
the Porkulus and very much another to refuse the funds after it
has been passed.
Now, let's get to work in getting conservatives voted into
Congress for 2010 so we can minimize the damage.
); Stimulus self.focus(); February 20, 2009 The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Go Ahead GOP Govs, Accept … Filed under: Uncategorized — @ 8:37 am Philip Klein wrote an interesting post today on The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Go Ahead GOP Govs, Accept … Here’s a quick excerpt If every Republican governor refused to accept the stimulus…
Marc Jeric| 2.20.09 @ 2:30PM
There may be merit in refusing some porkulus money on the part of
the states. For example, there is some $9 billion aimed at the
ACORN brownshirts and "community stabilization" thugs that
Republican governers should be very weary to accept.
Dale Mader| 2.20.09 @ 9:26PM
Howard Kurtz is a liberal who occasionally throws a bone to
conservatives to appear unbiased. If he ever writes a column
chastising wealthy Democrats who advocate higher taxes but refuse
to pay more (or even their lawful share) voluntarily, I'll be
astounded.
I am not a victim| 3.10.09 @ 7:40PM
I am ABSOLUTELY astounded by the victim mentality of some
Americans. Have we been so misused, abused and manipulated that
we have decided to put up more of a "stink" about giving taxpayer
money BACK to taxpayers to stimulate our own economy than we did
about using taxpayer money to bailout corporations, provide
golden parachutes and pour into Wall Street - that is currently
in a "black hole" state? We have been convinced that the demise
of major corporations and financial institutions would leave us
in a far worse state than the demise of the very people that have
the power to keep their doors open. This conversation convinces
me that most of us are all too familiar with being used and
subsequently discarded and disregarded. We have, somehow, come to
accept that we deserve to scramble for crumbs and make the most
out of very little in a country that, even in the worst
recession/depression in history, is still envied by the rest of
the world. Meanwhile, a few hoard and/or squander what the
majority is desperately trying to hold on to. I picture the
latter as a battered woman with unrealized and unclaimed strength
and power. How unfortunate.
…of pulling food from the bread lines during the Great Depression for the mere purpose of making his petty point. And it’s not as if they’re punishing anyone but themselves. From Philip Klein at American Spectator: Here’s the thing. Yes, in a folk hero sort of way, it would be great fun to see Republican governors refuse to accept the money. But on a practical level, I don’t see how it…
Ben Dover| 3.17.09 @ 3:25PM
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Am I the only one who was saying, back before the election,
"where the H*LL is this money going to come from?"?
I don't know what you people were thinking voting that idoit
in.
This is what 144 days of experience will get you. Nice job
America.
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I am a talking head - serious| 2.20.09 @ 11:34AM
I may have missed something, but I believe that if bailout money is accepted, states are required to increase entitlement spending. Entitlement programs and the rediculous retirement benefits afforded to government employees are a large reason many state budgets have ballooned the way that they have in recent years. However, if the states do not accept the money they will be forced to make cuts to wasteful spending. I think that in the long term it makes sense to cut a government budget by say 5 billion a year and go through the pain of not getting the "free lunch" that the federal government is offering. If this money came with no strings attached I would agree with you, however a refusal of federal bailout funds leaves states an opportunity to correct the real issue... their inflated budgets. Acceptance not only prolongs, but worsens the issue.
Real American| 2.20.09 @ 11:35AM
Sanford and other GOP governors who oppose the porkulous bill should offer a tax cut or rebate to its citizens equivalent to every dollar it receives from this bill. And all other spending in the state budgets should be cut to offset dollar for dollar the pork received.
Thomas| 2.20.09 @ 11:54AM
There is no such thing as a free lunch, especially where the federal government is concerned. I am a talking head is exactly on the mark there. Whenever a state accepts federal funding, for anything, that state surrenders some of its sovereignty. In order to receive this money, the state must meet federal guidelines, many of which have little or nothing to do with uses for which the money is earmarked. The same is true of the porkulus funds. The porkulus money will further increase the power of the federal government at the expense of the state and local governments.
Remember, states can not just print currency to fund projects, as the federal government is doing to fund the various stimulus and relief bills. If they could, then we would all go down the toilet more quickly.
One Hung Low| 2.20.09 @ 12:35PM
I'm staunchly against the Stimulus (as it were), but all governors have an obligation to stand in line on behalf of their constituents for their portion of the crap sandwich.
Let's not conflate matters. It is one thing to oppose passage of the Porkulus and very much another to refuse the funds after it has been passed.
Now, let's get to work in getting conservatives voted into Congress for 2010 so we can minimize the damage.
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Marc Jeric| 2.20.09 @ 2:30PM
There may be merit in refusing some porkulus money on the part of the states. For example, there is some $9 billion aimed at the ACORN brownshirts and "community stabilization" thugs that Republican governers should be very weary to accept.
Dale Mader| 2.20.09 @ 9:26PM
Howard Kurtz is a liberal who occasionally throws a bone to conservatives to appear unbiased. If he ever writes a column chastising wealthy Democrats who advocate higher taxes but refuse to pay more (or even their lawful share) voluntarily, I'll be astounded.
I am not a victim| 3.10.09 @ 7:40PM
I am ABSOLUTELY astounded by the victim mentality of some Americans. Have we been so misused, abused and manipulated that we have decided to put up more of a "stink" about giving taxpayer money BACK to taxpayers to stimulate our own economy than we did about using taxpayer money to bailout corporations, provide golden parachutes and pour into Wall Street - that is currently in a "black hole" state? We have been convinced that the demise of major corporations and financial institutions would leave us in a far worse state than the demise of the very people that have the power to keep their doors open. This conversation convinces me that most of us are all too familiar with being used and subsequently discarded and disregarded. We have, somehow, come to accept that we deserve to scramble for crumbs and make the most out of very little in a country that, even in the worst recession/depression in history, is still envied by the rest of the world. Meanwhile, a few hoard and/or squander what the majority is desperately trying to hold on to. I picture the latter as a battered woman with unrealized and unclaimed strength and power. How unfortunate.
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Sanford will steal stimulus money from the people - just to make a point. | Verbal Pa links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Ben Dover| 3.17.09 @ 3:25PM
Democrats- If you vote for them, they will spend.
Am I the only one who was saying, back before the election, "where the H*LL is this money going to come from?"?
I don't know what you people were thinking voting that idoit in.
This is what 144 days of experience will get you. Nice job America.
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