Austin Bramwell
claims that it is difficult to get an answer from
libertarians about the current financial crisis. Why?
"Libertarianism has two faces," he writes, "which I call the
comic and the tragic."One says that markets are flourishing and
personal emancipation is proceeding apace, so every day in every
way things are getting better and better. The other sees the dead
hand of the state crushing individual freedoms with rapid,
stultifying government growth.
Bramwell concludes that libertarians "react to circumstances as
the mood dictates." Maybe. I'm sure you could find specific
libertarians and conservative fellow travelers of libertarianism
who, say, in the span of the 1990s went from bemoaning a
Clintonian era of big government -- from Hillarycare to Ruby
Ridge -- and closed the decade by praising the fantastic growth
and innovation of the markets during the Internet-boom economy. I
know in over a decade of column-writing, I've had my bouts of
triumphalism and pessimism. But for the most part we are talking
about distinctly different people here, even if they would all
describe themselves as libertarians.
There is almost no overlap between the people who see agree with
Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch that this is a libertarian
moment and the Rothbardians who believe we
never should have junked the Articles of Confederation. Or the
libertarians who cheered the Internet boom of the 1990s as a
victory of markets over the state and the exponents of Austrian
economics who saw that boom as an illusory product of the Federal
Reserve's loose monetary policies and artificially low interest
rates. Thomas Woods, whose current book on the financial meltdown
I reviewed
this week in the Washington Times, doesn't look back
fondly on the dot-com era.
Saying that these different camps are inconsistent is like
complaining that conservatism is contradictory because of a lack
of commonality between the Weekly Standard and
Commentary on the one hand and the American
Conservative and Chronicles on the other.
Yes, they are different people. And that is one reason why some
libertarians and conservatives can get along despite
libertarianism being essentially a left-wing philosophy. Both are
pining for better days gone by. Both are moralizing about the
excesses of modernity (state and moral).
Mr. Liberty| 2.12.09 @ 1:08PM
Problem is that many people call themselves libertarian who
really are just anarchist. The fundamental belief of a true
libertarian is that
"One should be allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it doe not
adversely impact someone else.". That last part is often
ignored...and if ignored then your an anarchist. Libertarians
often are seen as having odd positions because they have a hard
time making broad sweeping statements that fit things into nice
little catagories. For example they can't say they are for
deregulation because that leads to monopoly and unfair business
practices which indeed do impact others negatively. Conversely
they don't want any regulation that forces people to do things
unnecessarily. When the public gets out of sound-bite mode they
will vote libertarian.
Tripp| 2.12.09 @ 2:46PM
I agree to a certain extent- I am a libertarian, but in the Cato
Institute mode, less of Murray Rothbard more Milton Friedman. It
is entirely necessary for a society to have equality before and
rule of law. That by no means dictates that we shouldn't strive
to have less intrusion of the law, however; things such as ending
the "war on drugs" and advocating personal freedom do not equate
with anarchy. Just because people like me thought McCain as our
fourth or fifth choice for the GOP nomination does not mean we
are crazy anarchists.
J David| 2.12.09 @ 2:59PM
*Conservatives*(of a Republican stripe) will never vote
Libertine, -er Libertarian. Commie-lib Dems will never vote
Libertarian because they they will never survive as a party if
conservatives are allowed to flourish and demonstrate the success
of their free market beliefs, the success of Godliness, and they
are unable to buy votes with socialism. They are an authoritarian
mindset.
Once those two groups are subtracted, there aren't many people
left. There will be no end to "sound-bite mode" until
communication as we now know it is shut down...AND IT WILL BE
SHUT DOWN. All information will be regulated and/or disseminated
by the State, and newspapers, TV, movies, etc, will be arms of
propaganda for an authoritarian global gov't.
Reagan's Ghost| 2.12.09 @ 3:07PM
It took from 1917 to 1989 to end the Evil Empire. That is a long
time to fight totalitarian socialism, but it was partly done by a
collapse from within, of a State unable to bear its own weight of
consumption always exceeding production, un-fueled by the
personal responsibilities and achievements of liberty.
God help America now that she has taken that path!
J David| 2.12.09 @ 3:20PM
Libertarians include the very lowest, worst elements of society,
the kind that always feed on carrion, dopers, child
pornographers, racist hate groups prone to use of terrorism,
baby-killers, destroyers of marriage, and any other special
interest anti-social splinter that wants to rend the fabric of
society.
There will always be fringe groups - fringe because they desire
the generally unacceptable - that will skim only what is useful
to them from an ideology that lends itself to that Libertine
surface application that they can use for their own wicked ends,
and toss any *good will toward men* in the process. Its success
as a philosophy depends on basic human goodness...
Humans are sinners in their basic nature and Libertarian tenants
play to anti-social behavior in its surface application.
The people you mention are only "different" flavors of the same
leftwing libertarianism. Cato, Reason, Rothbardians, et.al. are
all decidedly on the leftwing of our libertarian movement.
Should've mentions some Rightwing libertarians like Boortz,
Dennis Miller, PJ, Nugent, Club for Growth, and RLC.
We Libertarians of the Right are pretty united on our agenda:
Fiscal Conservatism, Social Tolerance, Strong on Defense.
Kirk A. Smith| 2.14.09 @ 3:28AM
I am a libertarian in the GOP and a strong believer in Frank
Meyer's fusionism....."libertarian means for traditional ends".
It started with Goldwater, worked well for Reagan and I believe
we can successfully adapt it to accomplish our shared goals now
and in the future.
Red Phillips| 2.12.09 @ 11:57AM
Yes, they are different people. And that is one reason why some libertarians and conservatives can get along despite libertarianism being essentially a left-wing philosophy. Both are pining for better days gone by. Both are moralizing about the excesses of modernity (state and moral).
Mr. Liberty| 2.12.09 @ 1:08PM
Problem is that many people call themselves libertarian who really are just anarchist. The fundamental belief of a true libertarian is that
"One should be allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it doe not adversely impact someone else.". That last part is often ignored...and if ignored then your an anarchist. Libertarians often are seen as having odd positions because they have a hard time making broad sweeping statements that fit things into nice little catagories. For example they can't say they are for deregulation because that leads to monopoly and unfair business practices which indeed do impact others negatively. Conversely they don't want any regulation that forces people to do things unnecessarily. When the public gets out of sound-bite mode they will vote libertarian.
Tripp| 2.12.09 @ 2:46PM
I agree to a certain extent- I am a libertarian, but in the Cato Institute mode, less of Murray Rothbard more Milton Friedman. It is entirely necessary for a society to have equality before and rule of law. That by no means dictates that we shouldn't strive to have less intrusion of the law, however; things such as ending the "war on drugs" and advocating personal freedom do not equate with anarchy. Just because people like me thought McCain as our fourth or fifth choice for the GOP nomination does not mean we are crazy anarchists.
J David| 2.12.09 @ 2:59PM
*Conservatives*(of a Republican stripe) will never vote Libertine, -er Libertarian. Commie-lib Dems will never vote Libertarian because they they will never survive as a party if conservatives are allowed to flourish and demonstrate the success of their free market beliefs, the success of Godliness, and they are unable to buy votes with socialism. They are an authoritarian mindset.
Once those two groups are subtracted, there aren't many people left. There will be no end to "sound-bite mode" until communication as we now know it is shut down...AND IT WILL BE SHUT DOWN. All information will be regulated and/or disseminated by the State, and newspapers, TV, movies, etc, will be arms of propaganda for an authoritarian global gov't.
Reagan's Ghost| 2.12.09 @ 3:07PM
It took from 1917 to 1989 to end the Evil Empire. That is a long time to fight totalitarian socialism, but it was partly done by a collapse from within, of a State unable to bear its own weight of consumption always exceeding production, un-fueled by the personal responsibilities and achievements of liberty.
God help America now that she has taken that path!
J David| 2.12.09 @ 3:20PM
Libertarians include the very lowest, worst elements of society, the kind that always feed on carrion, dopers, child pornographers, racist hate groups prone to use of terrorism, baby-killers, destroyers of marriage, and any other special interest anti-social splinter that wants to rend the fabric of society.
There will always be fringe groups - fringe because they desire the generally unacceptable - that will skim only what is useful to them from an ideology that lends itself to that Libertine surface application that they can use for their own wicked ends, and toss any *good will toward men* in the process. Its success as a philosophy depends on basic human goodness...
Humans are sinners in their basic nature and Libertarian tenants play to anti-social behavior in its surface application.
Eric Dondero| 2.12.09 @ 7:31PM
The people you mention are only "different" flavors of the same leftwing libertarianism. Cato, Reason, Rothbardians, et.al. are all decidedly on the leftwing of our libertarian movement.
Should've mentions some Rightwing libertarians like Boortz, Dennis Miller, PJ, Nugent, Club for Growth, and RLC.
We Libertarians of the Right are pretty united on our agenda: Fiscal Conservatism, Social Tolerance, Strong on Defense.
Kirk A. Smith| 2.14.09 @ 3:28AM
I am a libertarian in the GOP and a strong believer in Frank Meyer's fusionism....."libertarian means for traditional ends". It started with Goldwater, worked well for Reagan and I believe we can successfully adapt it to accomplish our shared goals now and in the future.