I recently bought a couple of the old Firing Line episodes with William F. Buckley interviewing Tom Wolfe (on modern architecture) and Malcolm Muggeridge (on the culture of the left). Just watched the Wolf episode.
I am stunned.
So mature, so lacking in ersatz showmanship, and so edifying. It is very much like enjoying a dinner with two very learned people.
And no big applause from the audience at any point. They simply listen respectfully.