Here's the nut of the executive order Barack Obama released today
on Guantanamo Bay:
Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo. The
detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by
this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later
than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals
covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the
time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be
returned to their home country, released, transferred to a
third country, or transferred to another United States
detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the
national security and foreign policy interests of the United
States.
As I've noted
before, after Sept. 11 President Bush was confronted with an
unprecedented challenge when it came to devising a strategy to
fight terrorism. One thing the administration inevitably had to
grapple with was how to deal with detainees caught during this
ongoing war who do not respect the Geneva Conventions themselves.
President Obama is now determined to reverse many of Bush's
policies, and in this case, close Gitmo within a year. But
between now and then, difficult questions remain. Will these
prisoners be accepted by their home countries? What if a
prisoner's home country is one that engages in torture, does
sending him back violate the Obama administration's principles on
rendition? What third countries would accept these men? Will
Americans be comfortable with terrorists being held in their
neighborhoods? How do we try prisoners if releasing the evidence
we have against them could compromise our intelligence? And what
do we risk by simply releasing prisoners? If the new
administration can resolve these issues, close Gitmo within a
year, and do so without putting Americans in greater danger, then
I'd be happy to give Obama credit. But now that he's in power, we
no longer have to have a theoretical debate about this.
I don't think the issues you've enumerated can be resolved except
through trial and error.
President Obama, like President Bush before him, should do what
he thinks is right.
If the process surrounding the detainees at Gitmo is what has
disgraced the United States, and that process can be cleaned up
then by all means go to it.
But whatever Obama does he's going to have to be man enough to
accept the consequences of his actions.
His ideal of being able to maintain our safety and our national
ideals without recourse to expediency are about to be put to the
test.
If the enemy launches a three-pronged attack, for instance, San
Francisco, Chicago and an East Coast State, he has to be willing
to say that it's better to lose 20,000 people than our ideals.
The idea that torture doesn't work is nonsense. You can't get
info from someone who doesn't have any, but waterboarding is
going to make anyone who has info talk.
Senator McCain said it best: "They broke me."
If torture can never be allowed, under any circumstances, we have
to be willing to say that we're willing to lose any number of
people, rather than lose our ideals and morality.
President Obama said "we will outlast you." What does that mean?
We can eventually rebuild the Cities they demolish? We can
eventually recover from an unleashing of the plague? Since our
enemy can commit acts of war, and being that it's nationless,
severly limit our ability to retaliate, what will become of us?
Who was that Saudi prince who offered Giuliani money after 9/11?
Makes you think of the saying that the Mohammedan is either at
your throat or at your feet.
Mohammed and a very small band of his followers conquered an
awful lot of territory in just a decade.
And yet one of the early Caliphates was preferred in the East to
Christian rule.
Steven Runciman's History of the Crusades is an indispensable
resource into the early history of Islam. It's a three volume
set. The primary source material he studied is very impressive.
I'm working my way through the first volume, but it's very slow
going because it's so dense.
Alan Brooks| 1.22.09 @ 8:07PM
again, close Gitmo and send guests residing there to Egypt.
there they can enjoy facilities similar to their homelands'.
joel| 1.22.09 @ 11:47PM
I don't know how long ago that the cubans sent their least wanted
to your American shores. Now I say reciprocate the deal. You
should let the getmo killers into fidals house. If everything is
good, then we know whose side fidal is on.
joel| 1.22.09 @ 11:53PM
We know whose side fidal is on. I just want the left to know.
Those dickheads.
stu.b.con| 1.23.09 @ 7:34AM
Historians will note this ill advised move as the first of many
errors in JUDGMENT made by the neophyte, affirmative action
president that led to the deaths of thousands of innocent
Americans, and a period of violent social unrest and martial law.
Alan Brooks| 1.23.09 @ 8:50AM
isn't all social unrest violent, stu.b.con?
"hi, i'm Alan, a moderate militant; i just break things, not
people; sorry to break your window"
stu.b.con| 1.23.09 @ 9:53AM
Alan, I suppose so.
However, I'm not talking about your garden variety militant, I'm
talking about the inevitable backlash from normally peace-loving
types against the government that put them in danger and those
who may or may not be radiacal muslims...
Mary| 1.22.09 @ 7:07PM
I don't think the issues you've enumerated can be resolved except through trial and error.
President Obama, like President Bush before him, should do what he thinks is right.
If the process surrounding the detainees at Gitmo is what has disgraced the United States, and that process can be cleaned up then by all means go to it.
But whatever Obama does he's going to have to be man enough to accept the consequences of his actions.
His ideal of being able to maintain our safety and our national ideals without recourse to expediency are about to be put to the test.
If the enemy launches a three-pronged attack, for instance, San Francisco, Chicago and an East Coast State, he has to be willing to say that it's better to lose 20,000 people than our ideals.
The idea that torture doesn't work is nonsense. You can't get info from someone who doesn't have any, but waterboarding is going to make anyone who has info talk.
Senator McCain said it best: "They broke me."
If torture can never be allowed, under any circumstances, we have to be willing to say that we're willing to lose any number of people, rather than lose our ideals and morality.
President Obama said "we will outlast you." What does that mean? We can eventually rebuild the Cities they demolish? We can eventually recover from an unleashing of the plague? Since our enemy can commit acts of war, and being that it's nationless, severly limit our ability to retaliate, what will become of us?
Who was that Saudi prince who offered Giuliani money after 9/11? Makes you think of the saying that the Mohammedan is either at your throat or at your feet.
Mohammed and a very small band of his followers conquered an awful lot of territory in just a decade.
And yet one of the early Caliphates was preferred in the East to Christian rule.
Steven Runciman's History of the Crusades is an indispensable resource into the early history of Islam. It's a three volume set. The primary source material he studied is very impressive. I'm working my way through the first volume, but it's very slow going because it's so dense.
Alan Brooks| 1.22.09 @ 8:07PM
again, close Gitmo and send guests residing there to Egypt.
there they can enjoy facilities similar to their homelands'.
joel| 1.22.09 @ 11:47PM
I don't know how long ago that the cubans sent their least wanted to your American shores. Now I say reciprocate the deal. You should let the getmo killers into fidals house. If everything is good, then we know whose side fidal is on.
joel| 1.22.09 @ 11:53PM
We know whose side fidal is on. I just want the left to know. Those dickheads.
stu.b.con| 1.23.09 @ 7:34AM
Historians will note this ill advised move as the first of many errors in JUDGMENT made by the neophyte, affirmative action president that led to the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans, and a period of violent social unrest and martial law.
Alan Brooks| 1.23.09 @ 8:50AM
isn't all social unrest violent, stu.b.con?
"hi, i'm Alan, a moderate militant; i just break things, not people; sorry to break your window"
stu.b.con| 1.23.09 @ 9:53AM
Alan, I suppose so.
However, I'm not talking about your garden variety militant, I'm talking about the inevitable backlash from normally peace-loving types against the government that put them in danger and those who may or may not be radiacal muslims...
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