Washington is just so ... so ... so Washington! The Left is
falling all over itself positioning itself as defender of
homeowners against evildoers seeking to foreclose on houses the
buyers can no longer pay for. Never mind that many our
current economic problems derive from the artificial bubble that
has burst, and only a painful price adjustment downward is
going to allow the economy to return to steady and solid
growth.
Moreover, many people purchased homes they could never
afford, and have no claim to pick the pockets of the rest of
us. Especially the pockets of those of who were
careful in how much house they bought, as well as potential
homebuyers, who held off buying what they couldn't afford.
In this case lower prices reward the thrifty and
responsible. Further, lower prices will turn more people
into homeowners.
The worst poseur today is Rep. Barney Frank chairman of the House
Financial Services Committee. He is seen by the Left as the
bulwark against even the Obama administration-to-be in ensuring a
bail-out of as many irresponsible people as possible.
Explains Harry Meyerson in the Washington Post:
Yet even after their recklessness propelled their nation into
an economic crisis, America's bankers remain the coddled
children of Bush-Paulson economic policy and might just remain
so under the Obama administration. Last Friday, the panel that
Congress appointed to oversee the
Treasury's Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), which
administers the $350 billion bailout to banks, reported that
the Treasury has not monitored what the banks have done with
the funds they received and that despite the language in the
bailout legislation "to maximize assistance for homeowners"
none of the bailout has been put to that purpose.
Indeed, if the Treasury had set out to design a system to
demonstrate once and for all that trickle-down economics
doesn't work, it could not have done better than TARP.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has thrown money at the
banks, which resolutely refuse to lend it to businesses and
homeowners, no matter how creditworthy they may be.
That's why a bill that
Barney Frank is promoting in the House, which would direct
banks that choose to take bailout funds to start lending to
creditworthy borrowers and designate no less than $40 billion
for mortgage
relief, is necessary if Congress is to authorize the
Treasury to spend another $350 billion on TARP. Over in the
Senate, the Democrats seem inclined to think that the need for
such legislation is obviated by
President-elect Obama's promise to administer the TARP in
the ways that Frank's bill would mandate.
If Obama's appointees inspired sufficient trust that they would
be willing to take on the banks, such legislation would be
unnecessary. Unfortunately, they don't.
Of course, this is the same Barney Frank who worked so hard to
turn Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into political slush funds while
assuring the world that they were safe and sound.
Oops! But in Washington people just go from failures to
bigger and better things. Rep. Frank is a prime example,
having a big hand in the "rescue" of the American economy
which he did so much to sabotage.
By buying preferred stock in banks with much of the first $350
Billion at least Paulson, despite his many failures, ensures
there will be some return on an actual investment.
Obama and the left now seem content throwing the rest of the $350
Billion out of hellicopters, proving that they really aren't
seriously interested in "stimulus" so much as income
redistribution.
Bob| 1.14.09 @ 9:31AM
Doug, it would be nice if you could deal with the real world
here. While I believe in individual responsibility, that goes two
ways -- to the purchaser and the seller. I was part of the
sub-prime mortgage industry in the 90's and early 2000's. Let me
tell you how these mortgages were sold. A sub-prime customer
would come in and would be asked about their income. After seeing
what they could afford on a monthly basis, the sales person would
put them into the biggest variable mortgage they could find that
had its initial rate within what they could afford. If the
customer asked about the increases in the future, the sales
person would say that you do expect to earn more in the future.
And if you don't, given that housing prices always rise, you can
just sell the home for more money than you paid and you'll be
just fine. If the customer balked, the sales person would just
say that people like them received mortgages every day, and
they've done just fine.
Remember that the sale was high pressure and the sales person
received commission on their sales. Since these mortgages were
securitized, the company did not care if the limits were pushed
because they would pay none of the price.
So Doug, when you talk about individual responsibility, you must
talk about BOTH sides of the deal, not just one. Most low income
people I've talked with do not understand mortgages, much less
variable rate mortgages. All they understand is if they can
afford the initial monthly payment and are so happy to get into a
home -- especially for their children -- that they take the word
of the sales person that they will be fine.
Of course you can take the low road and demonize Barney Frank,
but the true conservative solution to this is to let the market
work, insure that you regulate sales practices, only use the TARP
for tax incentives for saved mortgages, and make sure that
mortgage originators retain a good portion of the risk.
This type of AmSpec boogeyman rhetoric is beneath what
conservatives should be doing. They should be promoting solutions
and the leaders who present them. It is small of AmSpec to make
as many personal attacks as they do.
Thomas| 1.14.09 @ 11:04AM
Bob,
It is nice to know that you were out there helping people who
could not afford to buy a home buy one by selling them variable
rate mortgages that, sooner or later, they could not afford to
buy. Thank you.
And while it is true that there were many very aggressive lenders
in the market, it is strange that you fail to mention the role of
the Federal government in the sub-prime mess.
The sub-prime mortgage fiasco began with the over-zealous
application of the Community Reinvestment Act by the Clinton
Administration. During which time established banks were
pressured lend according to the new, extremely low standards set
by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Clinton Administration can not
be held totally to blame for this, as certain "grass roots"
groups had been engaging in tort backed blackmail of financial
institutions to make similar loans for a number of years. To
provide the banking industry some cover, all of these loans were
to be backed by Fannie and Freddie. They were, in essence,
government debt securities. Because of that, they were turned
into financial investment instruments by the investment banking
industry and peddled around the world. Unfortunately when the
bubble burst, it was discovered that Fannie and Freddie could not
cover the mortgages in default and the crisis was born.
Now there were a number of people in Federal Office who share the
responsibility for this mess. And Barney Frank and Chris Dodd
rank right at the top of those responsible. They were in the
vanguard of those who protected the status quo at the two
mortgage agencies, even while mismanagement, bordering on if not
in fact criminal, was underway. Therefor, they are fair game for
any recriminations as they were specifically hired to safeguard
the interests of all of the American people.
Now, the whole point of the support of Franks, Dodd and many
others, for TARP, was to cover their own posteriors. The program
was sold as a means to buy up the bad debt instruments and make
the Federal government responsible for these bad debts. Hank
Paulson, once he was given the money and authority, changed
course immediately and embarked upon his own program. Whether it
is going to be effective or not has yet to be seen. The fact
remains that, once again, the American people were lied to
without apparent consequence to those doing the lying.
One thing that may surprise you is that I agree that the United
States government should buy up all the delinquent mortgages that
were made by financial institutions that made them in good faith
following the direction of the federal government and the rules
set down by Freddie and Fannie. There was a promise, by the
Federal government, that these mortgage instruments would be
insured by the quasi-public mortgage entities, Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac, and the government has, so far reneged on the
contract. Now, as unpalatable as it may be, we, the people of the
United States, hired [elected] the Congress to represent us as
our agents and we are bound by their promises.
As for other aspects of the "bailout", most of those should be
rejected out of hand. The increased meddling in banking practices
should be discouraged, as that was what got us into this mess to
begin with.
Just a thought.
Bob| 1.14.09 @ 11:40AM
Actually, Thomas, the branches did not report to me as I served
an ancillary function. But I never supported many of the methods
that were used in the branches and spoke out against them. It did
not make me popular in the company.
I totally agree that the Federal government should hold some
responsibility including the CRA which was also heavily supported
by Bush. Where I disagree is putting primary blame on the CRA. In
my opinion, the primary blame is the unregulated presence of
securitization and allowed leverage in investment banks of 30 or
more. If lenders were required to keep much of the risk, these
types of loans would never have been made notwithstanding the
CRA. The lenders knew (and I know as a fact) that there would be
problems with many of these loans. When the CDO's became security
instruments, the capital requirements supporting them were
virtually non-existent.
True analysis, then, would not blame the CRA, but would blame
ineffective regulation to force mortgage originators to keep some
of the risk. Believe me, if a company knows they must keep the
risk, they will be far more careful in who to loan to.
I agree with you on the bailout. I was against the TARP and
against the auto bailouts. I am for a pragmatic, non-ideological
stimulus plan, however.
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 12:55PM
Should have known: Bob was a CRA facilitator. 'Splains' a lot.
Sean| 1.14.09 @ 1:02PM
The conservative solution to this problem is to keep the
government out of this. These banks deserve to fail. These people
deserve to lose their homes. Why keep these home prices
artificially high?
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 1:19PM
Liberal low-income home ownership policies led to this meltdown.
They are to blame for our bankruptcy. Who will stop them?
Especially when they work hand in glove with thug groups like
ACORN who blackmailed banks into making bad loans. Corrupt demos
like Barney Frank own this mess, just watch him weasel out of it.
Bob helps him all he can.
Thomas| 1.14.09 @ 4:13PM
Bob,
The allowable leverage limits had to be lowered or the
institutions that were being "encouraged" by the Clinton
administration to make questionable loans would have been unable
to make as many as the government wished. Likewise the
securitization had to be allowed or the banks could not divest
themselves of the debt and write more. These relaxations
encouraged predatory lending companies, some of whom were banks
themselves, to enter the market whole hog. As for the CDO's
becoming unregulated security instruments, they were believed to
be guaranteed by the federal government through Freddie and
Fannie. When that turned out to be untrue and the government
shrugged and said tough, this caused the now famous economic
meltdown.
The CRA was not the culprit here, rather the use of it by the
Clinton administration to essentially strong arm the banks into
making loans that they would otherwise not have made. The Clinton
team re-wrote the rules of the lending game with the support of
certain members of Congress.
The point is simply that the federal government directly and
indirectly encouraged this situation to develop and then simply
walked away when the crash came. And someone in government
besides the American taxpayer has to pay. Yet government justice
is prevailing once again. Because guess who is paying, "just us".
Bob| 1.15.09 @ 8:58AM
Thomas, you are wrong about lower leverage limits. I worked at
AIG in the early 2000's and there was no pressure to increase
leverage. Given a rising housing market, everyone in the business
wanted to leverage their capital against this market. To believe
otherwise is to rewrite history. There was no regulation limiting
leverage in the first place so the leverage was not "lowered".
You are also wrong about securitization. We were doing
securitization as early as the late 80's. They didn't morph into
derivatives until the power of computers enabled that in the
early 2000's. It is important to get history and the facts
correct when doing this analysis.
Therefore, the federal government didn't have to encourage this
situation, they just had to continue down the path of
deregulation that started in the early 80's. Those are the facts.
I just wish more people would learn what the facts really are
rather than recreating boogeymen and a false history.
The government should have recognized the problem starting in the
early 90's and regulate the investment houses and securitization
limits. This is not to say that the government didn't make the
problem worse by NOT acting. But there was no constituency that
wanted changes.
jsmee| 1.15.09 @ 9:28AM
Thomas,
The CRA was isnt' the entire problem, simply the equivalent to
letting the genie out of the bottle. The overwhelming amount of
subprime mortgages weren't originated simply to comply w/ CRA but
instead to allow people to buy what they can't afford and rack up
large fees. When mortgage bankers and banks no longer kept skin
in the game, they issued the most profitable mortgages they could
(aka risky). Banks borrowed more not to comply w/ regulations but
since leverage makes returns even bigger (oh, and losses even
larger, but ignore that- we're playing w/ house money).
As for CDOs, there never was an understanding that Fannie and
Freddie would save the day. Agency backed MBS were not pooled
into CDOs, since CDOs retranche risky assets. Since by their
definition agency MBS are guaranteed by Fannie / Freddie, there
is no credit risk, only prepayment risk which is averted by CMOs
which aren't at the heart of the problems. The problem w/ CDOs
were the unquestioned reliance on rating agencies, thinking that
mortgage prices only go up, and because they only go up, you
don't have to worry about correlation converging to 1 when they
all come crashing down. Now, the one place people relied on were
insurance wraps (aka the monolines, MBIA, AMBAC, XL, etc...), but
that is entirely independent of the fannies and freddies.
End of the day the real issue though was the consumer. Even if
this technology made the stuff available, it was their fault for
taking. My girl friend sums it up best by sayingif you try on a
new dress, of course the salesperson will say you look great in
it. The difference is housing represents just a little larger
percent of our income, and thus bad decisions that much worse.
Indiana Alex| 1.14.09 @ 9:17AM
By buying preferred stock in banks with much of the first $350 Billion at least Paulson, despite his many failures, ensures there will be some return on an actual investment.
Obama and the left now seem content throwing the rest of the $350 Billion out of hellicopters, proving that they really aren't seriously interested in "stimulus" so much as income redistribution.
Bob| 1.14.09 @ 9:31AM
Doug, it would be nice if you could deal with the real world here. While I believe in individual responsibility, that goes two ways -- to the purchaser and the seller. I was part of the sub-prime mortgage industry in the 90's and early 2000's. Let me tell you how these mortgages were sold. A sub-prime customer would come in and would be asked about their income. After seeing what they could afford on a monthly basis, the sales person would put them into the biggest variable mortgage they could find that had its initial rate within what they could afford. If the customer asked about the increases in the future, the sales person would say that you do expect to earn more in the future. And if you don't, given that housing prices always rise, you can just sell the home for more money than you paid and you'll be just fine. If the customer balked, the sales person would just say that people like them received mortgages every day, and they've done just fine.
Remember that the sale was high pressure and the sales person received commission on their sales. Since these mortgages were securitized, the company did not care if the limits were pushed because they would pay none of the price.
So Doug, when you talk about individual responsibility, you must talk about BOTH sides of the deal, not just one. Most low income people I've talked with do not understand mortgages, much less variable rate mortgages. All they understand is if they can afford the initial monthly payment and are so happy to get into a home -- especially for their children -- that they take the word of the sales person that they will be fine.
Of course you can take the low road and demonize Barney Frank, but the true conservative solution to this is to let the market work, insure that you regulate sales practices, only use the TARP for tax incentives for saved mortgages, and make sure that mortgage originators retain a good portion of the risk.
This type of AmSpec boogeyman rhetoric is beneath what conservatives should be doing. They should be promoting solutions and the leaders who present them. It is small of AmSpec to make as many personal attacks as they do.
Thomas| 1.14.09 @ 11:04AM
Bob,
It is nice to know that you were out there helping people who could not afford to buy a home buy one by selling them variable rate mortgages that, sooner or later, they could not afford to buy. Thank you.
And while it is true that there were many very aggressive lenders in the market, it is strange that you fail to mention the role of the Federal government in the sub-prime mess.
The sub-prime mortgage fiasco began with the over-zealous application of the Community Reinvestment Act by the Clinton Administration. During which time established banks were pressured lend according to the new, extremely low standards set by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Clinton Administration can not be held totally to blame for this, as certain "grass roots" groups had been engaging in tort backed blackmail of financial institutions to make similar loans for a number of years. To provide the banking industry some cover, all of these loans were to be backed by Fannie and Freddie. They were, in essence, government debt securities. Because of that, they were turned into financial investment instruments by the investment banking industry and peddled around the world. Unfortunately when the bubble burst, it was discovered that Fannie and Freddie could not cover the mortgages in default and the crisis was born.
Now there were a number of people in Federal Office who share the responsibility for this mess. And Barney Frank and Chris Dodd rank right at the top of those responsible. They were in the vanguard of those who protected the status quo at the two mortgage agencies, even while mismanagement, bordering on if not in fact criminal, was underway. Therefor, they are fair game for any recriminations as they were specifically hired to safeguard the interests of all of the American people.
Now, the whole point of the support of Franks, Dodd and many others, for TARP, was to cover their own posteriors. The program was sold as a means to buy up the bad debt instruments and make the Federal government responsible for these bad debts. Hank Paulson, once he was given the money and authority, changed course immediately and embarked upon his own program. Whether it is going to be effective or not has yet to be seen. The fact remains that, once again, the American people were lied to without apparent consequence to those doing the lying.
One thing that may surprise you is that I agree that the United States government should buy up all the delinquent mortgages that were made by financial institutions that made them in good faith following the direction of the federal government and the rules set down by Freddie and Fannie. There was a promise, by the Federal government, that these mortgage instruments would be insured by the quasi-public mortgage entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the government has, so far reneged on the contract. Now, as unpalatable as it may be, we, the people of the United States, hired [elected] the Congress to represent us as our agents and we are bound by their promises.
As for other aspects of the "bailout", most of those should be rejected out of hand. The increased meddling in banking practices should be discouraged, as that was what got us into this mess to begin with.
Just a thought.
Bob| 1.14.09 @ 11:40AM
Actually, Thomas, the branches did not report to me as I served an ancillary function. But I never supported many of the methods that were used in the branches and spoke out against them. It did not make me popular in the company.
I totally agree that the Federal government should hold some responsibility including the CRA which was also heavily supported by Bush. Where I disagree is putting primary blame on the CRA. In my opinion, the primary blame is the unregulated presence of securitization and allowed leverage in investment banks of 30 or more. If lenders were required to keep much of the risk, these types of loans would never have been made notwithstanding the CRA. The lenders knew (and I know as a fact) that there would be problems with many of these loans. When the CDO's became security instruments, the capital requirements supporting them were virtually non-existent.
True analysis, then, would not blame the CRA, but would blame ineffective regulation to force mortgage originators to keep some of the risk. Believe me, if a company knows they must keep the risk, they will be far more careful in who to loan to.
I agree with you on the bailout. I was against the TARP and against the auto bailouts. I am for a pragmatic, non-ideological stimulus plan, however.
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 12:55PM
Should have known: Bob was a CRA facilitator. 'Splains' a lot.
Sean| 1.14.09 @ 1:02PM
The conservative solution to this problem is to keep the government out of this. These banks deserve to fail. These people deserve to lose their homes. Why keep these home prices artificially high?
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 1:19PM
Liberal low-income home ownership policies led to this meltdown. They are to blame for our bankruptcy. Who will stop them? Especially when they work hand in glove with thug groups like ACORN who blackmailed banks into making bad loans. Corrupt demos like Barney Frank own this mess, just watch him weasel out of it. Bob helps him all he can.
Thomas| 1.14.09 @ 4:13PM
Bob,
The allowable leverage limits had to be lowered or the institutions that were being "encouraged" by the Clinton administration to make questionable loans would have been unable to make as many as the government wished. Likewise the securitization had to be allowed or the banks could not divest themselves of the debt and write more. These relaxations encouraged predatory lending companies, some of whom were banks themselves, to enter the market whole hog. As for the CDO's becoming unregulated security instruments, they were believed to be guaranteed by the federal government through Freddie and Fannie. When that turned out to be untrue and the government shrugged and said tough, this caused the now famous economic meltdown.
The CRA was not the culprit here, rather the use of it by the Clinton administration to essentially strong arm the banks into making loans that they would otherwise not have made. The Clinton team re-wrote the rules of the lending game with the support of certain members of Congress.
The point is simply that the federal government directly and indirectly encouraged this situation to develop and then simply walked away when the crash came. And someone in government besides the American taxpayer has to pay. Yet government justice is prevailing once again. Because guess who is paying, "just us".
Bob| 1.15.09 @ 8:58AM
Thomas, you are wrong about lower leverage limits. I worked at AIG in the early 2000's and there was no pressure to increase leverage. Given a rising housing market, everyone in the business wanted to leverage their capital against this market. To believe otherwise is to rewrite history. There was no regulation limiting leverage in the first place so the leverage was not "lowered".
You are also wrong about securitization. We were doing securitization as early as the late 80's. They didn't morph into derivatives until the power of computers enabled that in the early 2000's. It is important to get history and the facts correct when doing this analysis.
Therefore, the federal government didn't have to encourage this situation, they just had to continue down the path of deregulation that started in the early 80's. Those are the facts. I just wish more people would learn what the facts really are rather than recreating boogeymen and a false history.
The government should have recognized the problem starting in the early 90's and regulate the investment houses and securitization limits. This is not to say that the government didn't make the problem worse by NOT acting. But there was no constituency that wanted changes.
jsmee| 1.15.09 @ 9:28AM
Thomas,
The CRA was isnt' the entire problem, simply the equivalent to letting the genie out of the bottle. The overwhelming amount of subprime mortgages weren't originated simply to comply w/ CRA but instead to allow people to buy what they can't afford and rack up large fees. When mortgage bankers and banks no longer kept skin in the game, they issued the most profitable mortgages they could (aka risky). Banks borrowed more not to comply w/ regulations but since leverage makes returns even bigger (oh, and losses even larger, but ignore that- we're playing w/ house money).
As for CDOs, there never was an understanding that Fannie and Freddie would save the day. Agency backed MBS were not pooled into CDOs, since CDOs retranche risky assets. Since by their definition agency MBS are guaranteed by Fannie / Freddie, there is no credit risk, only prepayment risk which is averted by CMOs which aren't at the heart of the problems. The problem w/ CDOs were the unquestioned reliance on rating agencies, thinking that mortgage prices only go up, and because they only go up, you don't have to worry about correlation converging to 1 when they all come crashing down. Now, the one place people relied on were insurance wraps (aka the monolines, MBIA, AMBAC, XL, etc...), but that is entirely independent of the fannies and freddies.
End of the day the real issue though was the consumer. Even if this technology made the stuff available, it was their fault for taking. My girl friend sums it up best by sayingif you try on a new dress, of course the salesperson will say you look great in it. The difference is housing represents just a little larger percent of our income, and thus bad decisions that much worse.
sidnee| 12.12.09 @ 11:41AM
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