When the subject of same-sex marriage is raised, why does the
burden of proof fall on defenders of traditional marriage, rather
than on the proponents of change in established custom?
Wednesday, I attended the "Whither Conservatism?" conference
sponsored by National Review Institute and Hillsdale College, and
was
struck by Maggie Gallagher's comments:
"Ideas have consequences," Gallagher said, noting that the
essential argument of gay radicals is that "Christianity is a
form of bigotry," so that the result of the gay rights agenda
will be the elimination of Christian moral arguments from the
public square. Gallagher called attention to the August
decision in the Benitez case in California, requiring
physicians to provide insemination services to lesbians, as an
example of the impact of the gay-rights doctrine.
In other words, the same court that requires the state to
recognize gay marriage also resorts to the coercion of private
physicians. One is reminded of the sign that appeared in a shop
window in Berkeley, shortly after that city's government was
taken over by radicals in the early 1970s: "That which is not
forbidden is compulsory."
The long-term consequences of any particular policy change may be
unimagined at the time of the change, but it stands to reason
that the more radical the change, the more numerous and
disruptive the consequences. Edmund Burke did not prophesy every
consequence of the French Revolution, but was wise enough to see
that a terrible precedent was being established, and it is only
in retrospect that we can trace the straight line from
Liberté, égalité, fraternité to the killing fields of
Cambodia. As
I mused yesterday:
The burden of proof in policy disputes ought always to rest
with the advocates of innovation. The Burkean insight is that
established law and social custom are presumed legitimate, and
that revolutionaries who would overthrow the established order
must first demonstrate (a) the necessity of the change to
remedy existing evil and (b) some reasonable assurance that the
new order would be a genuine improvement on that order which is
to be destroyed. (Or, to quote Lord Acton: "Where it is not
necessary to change, it is necessary not to change.")
Conservatives ought not let themselves be intimidated into
retreat or cowed into silence by radicals who angrily demand a
justification for the preservation of the established order --
justifications that the radicals will never accept.
To do as the last paragraph suggests(or not do)words like "sin",
and "deviance", among other descriptives, must again be
used...but THEY WILL NOT BE, for those claiming to lead
*conservatism* do not see themselves as "in a war', and thus have
lost already.
Thomas| 11.21.08 @ 11:20AM
Many so-called conservatives in government fail to understand, or
do not have the backbone to oppose, what liberal forces are doing
in this country, which is simply the use of legislation and
judicial fiat to force people to do things. This was not the aim
of the founding fathers of our nation. For them, laws were meant
to prohibit actions, not to compel actions. Somewhere, this
nation lost its way. It is no longer drifting toward
totalitarianism, but is in a headlong rush to get there.
Trurl| 11.21.08 @ 12:37PM
We shouldn't be talking about instituting some kind of "gay
marriage" anyway- we should be talking about eliminating all
marriage as a legal institution. What's it for? Tax and social
benefits? Why should any two people get preferential treatment
for living together that a single person doesn't? Financial
incentive to have children? If that's the goal, just give tax
breaks to any two people that conceive a child. SoCons rejoice,
it's going to tend to be a man and a woman. Marriage can continue
as a union observed by religions, based on whatever principles
and beliefs that religion holds. If you're gay and want God to
recognize your union, try the Episcopalians. Baptists, not so
much. As for Alimony, wills and other types of nuptial
agreements, any two people (hell, or more) that want to live
under one roof and draw up such legal contracts between them are
welcome to do so.
There, problem solved. Equality and sanity for all. You're
welcome. *g*
Bob| 11.21.08 @ 3:12PM
The coercion of physicians -- that's a hoot! If a physician
doesn't want to treat a black man married to a white woman, he
shouldn't have to, right? If a physician doesn't want to treat a
Muslim, he shouldn't have to, right? Perhaps you should have paid
more attention to class and tried to get into Harvard, RSM, so
you could argue more effectively.
Should we have "gay marriage"? I believe in a pragmatic view.
There are states in which gay marriage is now legal. Let's study
whether that helps or hinders those micro-environments. If it
makes society better, we should allow it. If not, then you have a
societal, not religious, argument to make. After all, you believe
that it will hurt society. Let's find out if your assumption is
true.
By the way, technically, there is no difference between civil
marriage and domestic partnership agreements from a functional
perspective. They both have exactly the same result.
WendyG| 11.23.08 @ 10:14AM
We need to hold the line on this without fail. We are being
mau-maued on this issue. The gay marriage push is an attempt to
mainsteam a lifestyle that is in no way akin to the marriage of a
man to a woman.
Result is not the point. But if we want to talk results, what if
everyone was gay and got married? No babies, no procreation of
the human race. A silly analogy you say....why? Isn't that what
the ultimate result would be?
Also, if gay marriage is mainstreamed, next comes teaching it to
children as a valid lifestyle. Do you want your kid to be taught
from an early age that a gay relationship is the same in every
way as a straight one? I shudder to think what this country will
look like in 50 years if this abomination is successful. Be gay
if you want. I really don't care. I've know gay people my whole
life because I work in the arts. But marriage? NO.
J David| 11.21.08 @ 9:31AM
To do as the last paragraph suggests(or not do)words like "sin", and "deviance", among other descriptives, must again be used...but THEY WILL NOT BE, for those claiming to lead *conservatism* do not see themselves as "in a war', and thus have lost already.
Thomas| 11.21.08 @ 11:20AM
Many so-called conservatives in government fail to understand, or do not have the backbone to oppose, what liberal forces are doing in this country, which is simply the use of legislation and judicial fiat to force people to do things. This was not the aim of the founding fathers of our nation. For them, laws were meant to prohibit actions, not to compel actions. Somewhere, this nation lost its way. It is no longer drifting toward totalitarianism, but is in a headlong rush to get there.
Trurl| 11.21.08 @ 12:37PM
We shouldn't be talking about instituting some kind of "gay marriage" anyway- we should be talking about eliminating all marriage as a legal institution. What's it for? Tax and social benefits? Why should any two people get preferential treatment for living together that a single person doesn't? Financial incentive to have children? If that's the goal, just give tax breaks to any two people that conceive a child. SoCons rejoice, it's going to tend to be a man and a woman. Marriage can continue as a union observed by religions, based on whatever principles and beliefs that religion holds. If you're gay and want God to recognize your union, try the Episcopalians. Baptists, not so much. As for Alimony, wills and other types of nuptial agreements, any two people (hell, or more) that want to live under one roof and draw up such legal contracts between them are welcome to do so.
There, problem solved. Equality and sanity for all. You're welcome. *g*
Bob| 11.21.08 @ 3:12PM
The coercion of physicians -- that's a hoot! If a physician doesn't want to treat a black man married to a white woman, he shouldn't have to, right? If a physician doesn't want to treat a Muslim, he shouldn't have to, right? Perhaps you should have paid more attention to class and tried to get into Harvard, RSM, so you could argue more effectively.
Should we have "gay marriage"? I believe in a pragmatic view. There are states in which gay marriage is now legal. Let's study whether that helps or hinders those micro-environments. If it makes society better, we should allow it. If not, then you have a societal, not religious, argument to make. After all, you believe that it will hurt society. Let's find out if your assumption is true.
By the way, technically, there is no difference between civil marriage and domestic partnership agreements from a functional perspective. They both have exactly the same result.
WendyG| 11.23.08 @ 10:14AM
We need to hold the line on this without fail. We are being mau-maued on this issue. The gay marriage push is an attempt to mainsteam a lifestyle that is in no way akin to the marriage of a man to a woman.
Result is not the point. But if we want to talk results, what if everyone was gay and got married? No babies, no procreation of the human race. A silly analogy you say....why? Isn't that what the ultimate result would be?
Also, if gay marriage is mainstreamed, next comes teaching it to children as a valid lifestyle. Do you want your kid to be taught from an early age that a gay relationship is the same in every way as a straight one? I shudder to think what this country will look like in 50 years if this abomination is successful. Be gay if you want. I really don't care. I've know gay people my whole life because I work in the arts. But marriage? NO.