John, I heard Huckabee talking about his book on the radio,
bashing "libertarians," and it's just so depressing. Could
someone at least ask him to read Hayek or Mises or Friedman or
Sowell -- or to study the history of conservatism -- before
running his mouth?
One of the things that is disturbing when I talk to College
Republican types is that so many of them seem to have merely
inherited their parents' loyalties, and their conservatism is
informed by little more than Fox News and talk radio. You have
Christian conservatives whose conservatism begins and ends with
"it's a baby," and then you have hawks whose conservatism begins
and ends with "our troops in harm's way." The
limited-government/free-market idea -- which, to my mind, is the
universal language of conservatism -- seems to have evaporated
during the Bush era, or to have been dumbed down to meaning only
tax cuts.
So along comes someone like the Huckster, who's all compassion
and no conservatism, and plenty of people seem willing to listen
to him. It's depressing, like I say.
I'd be pleased if Huckster had a working knowledge of Ronald
Reagan and his legacy. I'd pony up a few bucks towards his
membership in Heritage.
Now that he owns the Fox News airwaves, one gets the impression
he is Dr. Phil.
bluecollarbytes| 11.17.08 @ 11:42PM
The Huckster has a new paying gig, on FoxNews. It's a little corn
mixed in with PopCulture pontification. His last show showcased
Oliver Stone. Huskster gushed that "W", contrary to expectations,
actually made Bush look good. I got the feeling he was simply
parroting what he'd read that others wrote about the film.
Folks like Huckster and Gingrich have roles to play if they want
them, but not the roles they're hoping for. The Republican Party
needs to take advantage of the new blood. Let the showmen keep to
their books, idea factories, and botox.
My favorite is when they say "the values of Ronald Reagan" when
they have no clue what those values are. For example,
conservatives fall into the trap of trying to outbid Democrats on
tax cuts, completely forgetting to explain how taxes are a form
of control and how Democrats use taxes to limit freedom and
liberty, something that would appeal to more of the younger and
more libertarian mind set.
J David| 11.18.08 @ 8:42AM
Huck's mixed-up *conservatism* aside, Libertarianism has already
reached its peak numbers, which fell off even before the
election. There is a number of reasons why I, as a *conservative*
will never, ever vote Libertarian. They are important in that the
people who are really *conservative* are so for reasons beyond
money. The law is a "teacher", the law is a protector that is
effective when administered fairly. One's associates are part of
one's identity. *Conservatism* is an ideology, but among
conservatives Libertarianism is seen as a vacuum void of
ideology...libertine anarchy, and the group calling themselves
"Libertarian" includes, especially, estranged factions from
mainstream society like dopers, prostitutes, smut peddlers,
racists, baby-killers. These associates will never find common
ground with ideological Christian/ evangelicals, or Mormons,
Pro-lifers, or other groups of traditional special interest. Only
a complete disavowal of the whack-job fellow travelers presently
welcome in Libertarianism will spark interest among conservative
Republicans looking for a new home, and presently looking at
Constitution Party options.
Ann Coulter tells in one of her books of an attempt to harness
the Connecticut Libertarian Party to oust Shays years ago, but
while working with them discovered that throwing out drug laws,
and etc. had them preoccupied to the near-complete exclusion of
everything else. My uncle, a preacher, looked at membership for
awhile and left for the exact same reason. I have a brother that
only votes straight Libertarian, and he is a Michael Moore lovin'
Truther, and a complete political whack-job so totally over the
top one can't allow any political work to be spoken in his
presence lest violence break out.
Such a party can not ever have a broad appeal except among
pointy-headed "intellectuals" ensconced in MENSA, and among those
most threatened by useful laws that actually protect the public,
and the young impressionable innocent.
Bob| 11.18.08 @ 8:42AM
RSM -- I usually disagree with your constant complaining, but you
are on target with this rant. Real conservatism does not contain
elements of social conservatism which actually proposes to
increase the role of government rather than look to limited
government and free markets.
Hey J. David, and what of us Libertarian Republicans? Do you want
to drum us out of the Party too? We've been some of the most
passionate and loyal Republicans around.
You make a fundamental error in assuming that all Libertarians
are Libertarian Party.
BTW, there's one very popular Governor who also happens to be a
Libertarian Republican. Wonder if you want to kick her out of the
Party too.
You might have heard her name a couple times before:
Captain America| 11.17.08 @ 11:27PM
I'd be pleased if Huckster had a working knowledge of Ronald Reagan and his legacy. I'd pony up a few bucks towards his membership in Heritage.
Now that he owns the Fox News airwaves, one gets the impression he is Dr. Phil.
bluecollarbytes| 11.17.08 @ 11:42PM
The Huckster has a new paying gig, on FoxNews. It's a little corn mixed in with PopCulture pontification. His last show showcased Oliver Stone. Huskster gushed that "W", contrary to expectations, actually made Bush look good. I got the feeling he was simply parroting what he'd read that others wrote about the film.
Folks like Huckster and Gingrich have roles to play if they want them, but not the roles they're hoping for. The Republican Party needs to take advantage of the new blood. Let the showmen keep to their books, idea factories, and botox.
Kingfish| 11.18.08 @ 1:41AM
My favorite is when they say "the values of Ronald Reagan" when they have no clue what those values are. For example, conservatives fall into the trap of trying to outbid Democrats on tax cuts, completely forgetting to explain how taxes are a form of control and how Democrats use taxes to limit freedom and liberty, something that would appeal to more of the younger and more libertarian mind set.
J David| 11.18.08 @ 8:42AM
Huck's mixed-up *conservatism* aside, Libertarianism has already reached its peak numbers, which fell off even before the election. There is a number of reasons why I, as a *conservative* will never, ever vote Libertarian. They are important in that the people who are really *conservative* are so for reasons beyond money. The law is a "teacher", the law is a protector that is effective when administered fairly. One's associates are part of one's identity. *Conservatism* is an ideology, but among conservatives Libertarianism is seen as a vacuum void of ideology...libertine anarchy, and the group calling themselves "Libertarian" includes, especially, estranged factions from mainstream society like dopers, prostitutes, smut peddlers, racists, baby-killers. These associates will never find common ground with ideological Christian/ evangelicals, or Mormons, Pro-lifers, or other groups of traditional special interest. Only a complete disavowal of the whack-job fellow travelers presently welcome in Libertarianism will spark interest among conservative Republicans looking for a new home, and presently looking at Constitution Party options.
Ann Coulter tells in one of her books of an attempt to harness the Connecticut Libertarian Party to oust Shays years ago, but while working with them discovered that throwing out drug laws, and etc. had them preoccupied to the near-complete exclusion of everything else. My uncle, a preacher, looked at membership for awhile and left for the exact same reason. I have a brother that only votes straight Libertarian, and he is a Michael Moore lovin' Truther, and a complete political whack-job so totally over the top one can't allow any political work to be spoken in his presence lest violence break out.
Such a party can not ever have a broad appeal except among pointy-headed "intellectuals" ensconced in MENSA, and among those most threatened by useful laws that actually protect the public, and the young impressionable innocent.
Bob| 11.18.08 @ 8:42AM
RSM -- I usually disagree with your constant complaining, but you are on target with this rant. Real conservatism does not contain elements of social conservatism which actually proposes to increase the role of government rather than look to limited government and free markets.
Eric Dondero| 11.18.08 @ 10:23AM
Hey J. David, and what of us Libertarian Republicans? Do you want to drum us out of the Party too? We've been some of the most passionate and loyal Republicans around.
You make a fundamental error in assuming that all Libertarians are Libertarian Party.
BTW, there's one very popular Governor who also happens to be a Libertarian Republican. Wonder if you want to kick her out of the Party too.
You might have heard her name a couple times before:
Sarah Heath Palin