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Don L| 11.17.08 @ 5:09AM

Alen Keyes needs to be commended for his endurance in the fight against the culture of death in this once moral nation.

His problem is that he hasn't learned the Christ he follows told his apostles - "...be as cunning as serpents...."

Alan prefers to try to remove a splinter with a Gatling gun. A good man with an abrasive technique that only backfires.

tri evulet| 11.17.08 @ 9:18AM

The senatorial race against Obama was Keyes' to lose. He grandstanded, and wanted attention for issues that were not on the forefront in that race, and he lost. I used to like and respect him, but now I see that everything he's done in he last 5-8 years have been in order to feed that gigantic ego of his. If that's what he'd always been about, I would have dismissed him as a buffoon a long time ago; but I know he was meant for better things and that he's let self-righteousness and smugness go to an extreme. Henry Hyde never behaved like that, he always had humility and modesty in the forefront.

I agree with 99% of the issues he stands for, but now my skin crawls when I see him defend them, and when I see the airs of superiority that he adopts when he explains his beliefs. He plays straight into the role of self-righteousness , and like a bad soprano, falls flat when instead of high-minded he can only reach high-handed. That Alan Keyes ran after his last disastruous attempt, just to tell himself that he told people what's "righteous", is again proof (to me) that he had to feed that beast, his ego.

J David| 11.17.08 @ 9:23AM

I voted for Keyes in the 2000 primaries, and I am not at all ashamed of it. People ALWAYS hate the prophets. Ann Coulter is hated by many for proclaiming the truth, but she has never run for office, and so has not become a threat to anyone as a political opponent.

Those who read Alan Keyes, and call themselves *conservative*, can not disagree with what he says. I cannot, for the life of me, see where someone like Mr Antell sees a benefit to ANYONE, in the entire universe, benefits from making light of Keyes, whatever his success, or lack of it BECAUSE HE GOT OFF OF HIS ARSE and did something instead of sitting around just writing about other people doing so and making fun of them.

If Hussein has slipped thru the system and been elected in spite of the Constitution's requirements, HE SHOULD NOT BE CERTIFIED!!!! How is that an improper request of the Messiah, Mr Antell the Third?

J David| 11.17.08 @ 9:25AM

Careful where you point your mighty "sword" as the wrong people might be impaled upon it...

J David| 11.17.08 @ 9:46AM

Seriously, I really want to know how making fun of an ideological ally calling out one whom many people have serious reason to believe is NOT a citizen HELPS ANYONE in the entire universe... anyone. Please name a single individual who was helped by the above article (beside the Messiah I mean, as he is, after all, a communist, and will force our allegiance forthwith anyway), I REALLY want to know.

Dean| 11.17.08 @ 10:07AM

As a Wisconsian I was ill to see Illionoisited Republicans suckered Keyes into a run against Obama in '04. Chicago Machine owns that State including making GOP towkow. Mayor Daley runs US through proxy Obama.

If WI had Keyes on ballot, or I had known it was running, last Nov 4th McC would had conservatively one less vote.

J David| 11.17.08 @ 10:30AM

I still want to know of one single individual in this galaxy or any other who was helped (besides the communists about to take over America) by the above article...

Dismissing Keyes is, for many, is dismissing what he stands for, which just happens to be YOU, Mr Antell the Third... typically, self-cannabalization won't long satisfy hunger.

J David| 11.17.08 @ 10:34AM

Oops! Sorry (sort of) about the misspelled name...

I'm usually a fan of your work, but this particular article, and what possibly could be the reason for it, utterly baffles me.

Hunter Baker| 11.17.08 @ 11:42AM

Confession is good for the soul. I voted for Keyes in both of those years, too. I also contributed to his campaign in 1996 and in 2004 (Illinois Senate). To my good fortune, I turned down an invitation to come join the campaign in 2004 in favor of continuing my doctoral studies.

Jack| 11.17.08 @ 12:11PM

Alan Keyes? really? He is a joke. You people on the far right really need to pull your heads out-you just can't grasp the fact the American people did not vote YOUR way so you are hanging on to the bitter end to any inane reason you can to have the will of the American people overturned. President-elect Obama WAS born in the US so get over it already-and he is not a communist either and this "Messiah" nonsense you people call him, using his middle name, etc. is laughable, but go ahead-keep saying this idiotic stuff. That will be one way to ensure your demise as any kind of reasonable voice in American political society.

AmericanPatriot| 11.17.08 @ 12:24PM

Wake Up America !

John Adams| 11.17.08 @ 12:26PM

Obama has continued to be the man behind the curtain. Rather than step forward and produce the records so that an informed evaluation of whether he meets the Constitutional standard of being a "natural born citizen" all of his records have been sealed. I am sorry, producing a copy of a short form birth certificate does not answer the questions. We now know that the State of Hawaii is holding Obama's original long form version of his birth certificate. Obama could have produced this document by signing a release and paying $12.00. Obama continues to refuse to do so.
People are judged by their actions. Obama and his legal team fighting to keep Obama's records sealed and hidden from review speak to something to hide.
These records are now clearly of public interest and will ultimately come out. If Obama is not eligible to hold the office of the President as he does not meet the "natural born" standard that needs to be found out before he is sworn in.
There is a hearing in Hawaii Court on Nov. 18 brought by Andy Martin asking that the Court orders the original long form version of Obama's birth certificate produced. I hope the Court orders the vault version of the birth certificate produced. That will be the first step in the evaluation of Obama's credentials that should have been done long ago by the Democratic National Committee as questions about Obama's eligibility go back as far as February of this year.

PetitionToStopBO| 11.17.08 @ 12:27PM

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis

AmericanPatriot| 11.17.08 @ 12:28PM

http://saveourrights.wikia.com/wiki/Overview

God Bless United States!

W. James Antle III| 11.17.08 @ 1:56PM

J. David, I'll tell you exactly why I've become critical of Keyes, a man I've admired and supported in the past: His campaigns and crusades are not serious efforts aimed at accomplishing any tangible result. They are no longer even effective at getting Keyes' message out. I can't support Keyes soliciting donations from pro-life grandmothers and other decent people under those conditions. These people are giving him money to undertake political efforts that are at best exercises in self-promotion and at worst exercises in marginalizing conservatism.

John| 11.17.08 @ 2:30PM

For the love of Pete, Alan had 86 days to run against Obama in '04 and only answered the call of his party in doing so. Ask the real question, how did Obama (actually the media) get sealed divorce records opened on Obama's actual opponent.
Watch some 2000 GOP primary debates and you tell me what kind on man Alan Keyes is.
He is a thinker who doesn't have the package American voters are looking for. Too bad for American voters.
Try looking at voting for what's best for the country for the next 100 years and not what they'll give you in the next four!!
Alan Keyes is a patriot and this suit is an act of that patriotism. It's not like he'll be president if this suit has merit, it'll be Biden, so it's a fairly selfless act if you ask me. He's the one willing to look like a "kook" all for our constitution.

Matthew| 11.17.08 @ 4:16PM

Wow, could conservatives BE any more pathetic?

Susie| 11.17.08 @ 7:53PM

I think the reason Obama Doesn't want the full certificate opened is because his parents maybe were not married and he thought certain people would not have voted for him, which the courts can keep it sealed for that maybe. Just a guess...there is something not normal about the whole thing but if it was the Kenya thing the Republicans woud have jumped on it sooner but then it could be true. So guess we'll see soon enough.

Dante's Revenge| 11.18.08 @ 12:21AM

This is silly. Show the original and this all goes away. Simple. Duh!

sara| 11.18.08 @ 12:39PM

Even if Obama is ligit in qualifying for President, why won't he show the proof? Also, who is responsible for checking the qualifications for people running for President? The Socialist Party got a candidate on the ballot who is not qualified. Does the constitution mean nothing? Yes, if no one enforces it. So I am thankful for Mr. Keye's effort in California to hold the Sec. of State responsible for carrying out her duties.

Finally, the hate Keyes crowd are doing the party no good. Alot of people respect him. A lot of people do not. He poses no threat to the party so why slam him for the democrats' and rinos' pleasure in creating division - a promise of demoract majority power. Politics is a team sport.

John| 11.18.08 @ 3:28PM

What is this nonsense between long-form and short-form. The campaign made the birth certificate available. End of story, case closed. Unless someone tells me that the short-form is not a legal document, then what is the hold-up? I pretty much already know the answer. I hope BHO wakes up and gets some real bastards in his office cause he's going to have to fight tooth and nail to implement his agenda.

IH8TheFarReich| 11.18.08 @ 3:31PM

If this is such a huge issue, why wasn't the suit filed BEFORE the election? Alan Keyes is beginning to sound like a black Jack Thompson.

Franklin| 11.18.08 @ 3:39PM

Wow, what's with all the talk of communists taking over America just because someone who isn't a far righty is in the top office? I didn't know conservatives could be so emo.

Also, as John said, there is no legal difference between long and short form certificates. Are you people saying that, if your original birth certificate was lost in a fire or something of that nature, that you wouldn't be eligible for office?

Franklin| 11.18.08 @ 3:55PM

Also, the governor of Hawaii didn't seal the records, she simply reiterated that the records are sealed. She can't legally unseal them.

claudia| 11.18.08 @ 6:44PM

What is Keyes trying to accomplish??!! Why do this now? If he - and anyone else who wanted to defeat Obama - were truly serious, would have done this during the primaries! I just don't understand why people such as Keyes decide to act so stupidly so late in the game. I once thought Keyes had it in him to run for president, but lately, he's just acting the fool.

TommyG| 11.18.08 @ 8:11PM

Show the document original and we will be satisfied with that part of it. Then, we move on to watching Obama in action the same as Lefties watched BUSH every step of the way!

Walter| 11.18.08 @ 9:06PM

I hope there is nothing substantial to it; I don’t like the guy ( BHO ), I think he’s bad for the nation; but the strife his removal by any other means than by the next presidential election would cause is not something I want to see happen. (And likely will cause strife in the form of sore-loser riots even if he is voted out in four years.)

However, if there is something to it, then . . Oh boy, what a dilemma: damned if you do ( proceed with his disqualification ) and damned if you don’t (let him besmirch the constitution).

If there is nothing to hide, I really can’t understand why he doesn’t want these documents proving his natural-born status and/or his sole citizenship. His very obstinance itself is a slap in the face. It’s giving the finger to us all.

I want there to be nothing to hide. I’m even of the mind that even if he has some perhaps minor technical difficulties in his qualifications, I would accept an act of Congress - - the present Congress - - declaring him legally qualified.

But whatever it is, it needs to be ascertained and he absolutely must submit to the law as any one of us has to - - even to get a license, register for school, etc.

George| 11.18.08 @ 10:15PM

Let justice be done though the Heavens fall.

INEVITABILITY| 11.18.08 @ 10:59PM

Dear Republicans,
How does it feel to have a Christianity-hating liberal as your president? How does it feel to know that your conservative, Christian culture is nearing extinction? How does it feel to know that those are now ancient things of the past as we enter New America? How does it feel to know that being a close-minded brainwashed conservative Christian is no longer politically correct?

Franklin| 11.18.08 @ 11:17PM

Inevitability,
Unless you are being sarcastic, I should point out he's a Christian.

Paul| 11.19.08 @ 1:52AM

About long form vs. short form birth certificate , the state department website
( http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html )says:
"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed,
impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date
the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must
be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract)
versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

The short form is not good enough for passport. FYI.

Franklin| 11.19.08 @ 2:58PM

By that logic, Obama's birth certificate must be legitimate, since he was able to get a passport without any trouble.

I would like to reiterate an earlier question for you tinfoil-hatters. In the event that someone's original long-form certificate is lost, such as during a fire, does that make that person ineligible for office?

Kadaj| 11.19.08 @ 3:16PM

On January 20th 2009, Our president will be...

President Barak Obama.

He won, get over it. It's not going to change.

Citizen K.| 11.19.08 @ 6:09PM

"This is silly. Show the original and this all goes away. Simple. Duh!"

All WHAT goes away? This birth certificate thing is like a mosquito attacking a tank. No one takes it seriously except the mosquito and the tank doesn't notice a thing.

Citizen K.| 11.19.08 @ 6:38PM

Kadaj--

Even better, it's Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I'm already looking forward to the collective stroke in Rushland during that part of the oath of office.

John| 11.19.08 @ 7:18PM

The birth certificate he provided does have a registrar's raised & embossed seal, a registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, and was certified within 1 year of his birth. It's the same copy of a birth certificate you'd get by going to the probate office and asking for a copy of your birth certificate.

Think about it... I mean seriously... He would have had to have known his entire life where he was born. OK? His mother was American, so even if he wasn't born here he still would have been able to live here. So there was no reason ever to lie to him as a child. In fact, to satisfy socio-economical goals for universities, it could have been a blessing for him to be foreign born.

Now unless you tin foil hat lunatics think that from the day he was born there was a Manchurian Candidate conspiracy of some sort for this baby to be president, then just take the birth certificate provided and MOVE THE HELL ON.

This is such a ridiculous topic.

Ted| 11.19.08 @ 10:16PM

You gotta hear this 90 minute blogradio on why the media has a blackout of the looming Obama Birth Certificate Constitutional Crisis:

http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-is-obamas-birth-certificate-still.html

Simon| 11.20.08 @ 12:22AM

Legitimately questioning a potential President's basic constitutional qualifications to hold the most powerful office in the world constitutes "pushing a conspiracy theory?" Why won't Obama easily and simply provide easy simple proof of his birth [and background]?

Tom from Florida| 11.20.08 @ 10:27AM

Got it. If you can't attack the message then attack the messenger.
The people bringing the lawsuits are NOT putting us through this. Obama and the DNC are doing this to us. Produce a "REAL" birth certificate, not a forgery, and get it over with.

Tom from Florida| 11.20.08 @ 10:31AM

Sorry John,
You said "The birth certificate he provided does have a registrar's raised & embossed seal, a registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, and was certified within 1 year of his birth."

Obama did NOT provide a birth certificate. He provided a Certificate of Live Birth. There is a definite difference. Besides, what he provided was a forgeryand the person that forged it, and has ties to the Daily Kos, admitted that he had made the document.
Try reading a website other than "FightTheSmears", which is a smear in and of itself.

John Adams| 11.20.08 @ 1:12PM

Congratulations to Mr. Keyes. Of all of the now 17 lawsuits filed around the country, almost all of which were dismissed on a legal technicallity of "lack of standing". Mr. Keyes as he was on the ballot in California has no such short coming. He has filed a suit that will require Mr. Obama to finally show up in Court and prove that he meets the Constitutional standard of a "natural born citizen".
Mr. Keyes is also represented by a very competent attorney Gary Kreep. Here is a copy of the complaint:
http://missionviejo.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/keyes-v-obama.pdf

You can go to the Sacramento Superior Court website and watch the progress.

If Obama ignores this case he will be stripped of the 55 California elector votes. The only question is if this can be resolved before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 15.

Obama and the DNC should be ashamed of themselves not handling this in an open and transparent fashion before the election. Given how hard Obama has been fighting to protect his records including his original birth certificate (not the COLB he produced to factcheck and such sites, who contrary to what many think are not authorized government agencies involved in vetting candidates). While I am at it where has the press been on this story since last February. Why hasn't anyone asked Mr. Obama how he came to vistit Pakistan in 1981 and what passport he used for that trip?

I heard on the news last night how the Obama team is "agressively vetting every person they are appointing in their administration". They need to start at the top.

Read the complaint, Mr. Kreep has laid out the issues in an easy and comprehensive manner. Keep a bag of popcorn handy this is going to be interesting.

sus| 11.21.08 @ 12:30AM

Wasn't Keyes in trouble for using campaign funds to give himself a salary? Wasn't his veep selection in trouble for asking his flock to pray for the deaths of his opponents? What a bunch of whackos. This is why republicans are out. Too many whackos.

Kevin McKague| 11.21.08 @ 11:47AM

You people are nuts.

Here is Barack Obama's birth certificate: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

Here is this particular myth being debunked again: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

JSmith| 11.23.08 @ 5:52AM

A very frightening incident! This incident is recounted by a person known as "TF" who is 100% vouched for.

"TF" said this: During the period of roughly February 1986 to mid 1990, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, USSR, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the USSR scientific community. One of the men in charge on the USSR side was a man known to many in the foreign service as "V. M." He had a wife we will call "T.K." As the evening wore on, T.K developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge.

"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon. What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Commanist?" The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares.

She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Commanist."

One of us asked, It sounds like you know something we done know.

"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League" so he looks down his nose at real americans . You done believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is wite and his father from Africar. And he going to be your President He has been raised from the cradle to be an athe ist and a islamic Iman and a Commanist. He is being guided every step of the way to be a facist and he will be irresistible to America!"

We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Commanists were doing this and the elites would be looking down thier noses at America: they would give us a black president and hed be a Commanist to boot. He was from Hawaii. He would go to school in California. He will live in Chicago. He was to be elected to the legislature. Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet. We Sovieters regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.

This chilling incident proves that Soviets knew of Barack from a very early date.

Jeff| 11.23.08 @ 8:26AM

"If this is such a huge issue, why wasn't the suit filed BEFORE the election? "

Because you normally can't demand a writ until someone has caused you potential harm. And yes, this issue can affect Dr. Keyes' chance at getting public campaign funding in the next election, so his case has real merit.

Let us hope other independents follow suit.

Dr. bobbi anne white| 11.23.08 @ 1:52PM

Best for everyone to support leo donofrio's suit as it deals with what Obama has already admitted. He was born a British citizen.
http://naturalborncitizen.org
http://naturalborncitizen.us

John| 11.24.08 @ 2:00PM

You have to love the typical liberal challenges in everyone of these internet Obama BC threads.
My favorite "Get over it" or how about "conservatives are pathetic". I also like "this is silly, this is ridiculous and this is stupid". Liberals have their heads in the sand deep enough to see Hong Cong. They cannot see the gravity of the issue and prefer instead to spout simplistic cliches'. The consequences of trying to destroy the soveriengty and the integrity of the constitution is civil unrest. There will be such dire consequences for violating these basic principles of our civil liberties that it may take generations of people in order to resole the issue. And it all began because there were people willing to lie cheat and steal for the purposes of gaining power. If the electorate has any active brain cells at all they had better reject a positive vote for Obama. They had better admit that the DNC and others have put their obsession for power over the needs and interests of the country. Are you one of those people who think that he is the pres-select and therefore a moot point? Do you think this whole discussion has been perpetrated by a bunch of nutty consevatives? There will be a decisive and violent reaction to destroying our constitution and those who voted for Obama and continue to support this fraud will be the blame.

RogerYork| 11.25.08 @ 10:46PM

>>Do you think this whole discussion has been perpetrated by a bunch of nutty consevatives?

Don Weimer| 11.26.08 @ 11:05PM

When will '60 minutes' ask for a valid long form of Obama's birth certificate?

JSmith| 11.27.08 @ 8:37PM

Its all over. Obama will resign before Dec 15th.
Larry Sinclar has annouced that he has a seman sample.

If Obama tries to lie about this he will be empeached like Clinton. So he will now be forced to resign before inagreration.

See:
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

Kevin| 11.28.08 @ 9:37AM

John said:'You have to love the typical liberal challenges in everyone of these internet Obama BC threads.
My favorite "Get over it" or how about "conservatives are pathetic". I also like "this is silly, this is ridiculous and this is stupid" '

In this particular case, this IS pathetic and very stupid.

John also said' The consequences of trying to destroy the soveriengty and the integrity of the constitution is civil unrest. There will be such dire consequences for violating these basic principles of our civil liberties that it may take generations of people in order to resole the issue.'

And the consequences for Elvis really being spotted at the Burger King in Battle Creek, MI last week will be that he will come back to the studio and make a lot of really great new albums.

But Elvis is dead

And this conspiracy theory of Mr. Keyes is still quite stupid.

Jeff| 11.29.08 @ 10:40PM

My son just join the air force and was required to show his original birth certificate, high school dipolma, SS card & ID. Now what is the Big O hiding? There is enough people piss off now that he has stomped on our constitution and we won't stop until justice has been served!!!!

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THEDIPLOMAT| 12.8.08 @ 5:48PM

The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, a demagogue who lost a Senate election to the then-unknown Obama by 42 points, should be a warning in itself.

People who would believe such specious, improbable nonsense are not only gullible and naïve, but so desperate to find something against the person they fear and hate, that they make fools of themselves publicizing a fantasy about the secret, mysterious danger that person represents.

JeffM| 12.8.08 @ 10:51PM

The Diplomat said:

"The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, a demagogue who lost a Senate election to the then-unknown Obama by 42 points, should be a warning in itself.

People who would believe such specious, improbable nonsense are not only gullible and naïve, but so desperate to find something against the person they fear and hate, that they make fools of themselves publicizing a fantasy about the secret, mysterious danger that person represents."

What's destructive is people's apparent lack of understanding of Constitutional Law and their understanding of history. This includes YOU.

Do a search on the following: de Vittal and "Natural-born citizen".

Then come back and see who's usurping power here. HINT: de Vittal is the backbone of Constitutional Law. When you find the definition as stated in 1758, may I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask if you would have voted for him considering he's an ineligible liar and a con man, just like Chester Arthur was.

BobSmith| 12.11.08 @ 10:34PM

Re: Google "de Vittal"

If you do, you will find the very opposite definition of what you said. "Da Vittles" as my old prof used to call him, was quite the joker. He was once credited with the invention of Tarot cards.

If you really want the scoop on pre 1770 Constitutional Law, I suggest you search for "l'Comptivoi" and "Naturalized Citizen".

Karl Kunker| 1.19.09 @ 7:33AM

If the case proceeds and Keyes is granted standing the nagging question has a good possibility of being addressed after Obama is sworn in and the potential case of damage and injury can be considered more real.

Unfortunately citizens have no ability to claim injury to the Constitution, thats not personal. Even class action wouldn't fly.

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