Stacy, you are wrong as wrong can be. That
is NOT the gist of the skeptical-of-Palin argument. Yes, it might
be the gist of the David Brooks argument, but there is plenty of
middle ground between Palin lovers and, on the other hand, those
who despise Palin just because they are cultural snobs. Indeed,
there is JUST AS MUCH cultural snobbery -- of a reverse kind --
among those who assume the ONLY reason to oppose Palin is
snobbery as there is among the elitists like Brooks. And the
reverse snobbery is just as ugly, sir, as the Brooks variety.
Indeed, it is despicable. The conservative movement will never
recover if it can't allow honest disagreements about
qualifications, political tactics, and the like. To assume that
everybody who disagrees with you is not just mistaken in judgment
but actually ill-motivated is the attitude of a permanent
political minority. And to go looking for cultural victimhood
(oh, those terrible elites are so mean to us!) is just as wrong
as any other sort of faux-victimhood grievance. My friend, it's
time to stop the culture wars, on both sides, within the
conservative movement. Those wars are self-destructive. Yes, if
somebody throws a deliberate haymaker, like Brooks did, then
fight back -- AT BROOKS. But don't overgeneralize by acting as if
Brooks and his ilk are the only sorts of people who can possibly
disagree with you.
Here's what is dangerous: Groupthink. And
no-shades-of-gray-think. In early 2006 (and before), when I wrote
critically of PResident Bush, I was subjected to incredibly angry
mail from those on the right. By 2007, when I wrote in defense of
other aspects of the Bush record, the same people who were angry
at me for criticizing him were now castigating me for defending
him. It's as if people can't make a distinction between their
current feelings about a person and the actual issue being
discussed. There's a "team" mentality, as in being a fan of a
team, that seems to kick in. The attitude seems to be that unless
you support the team unquestioningly, you should be an outcast.
But this isn't sports. This is our country. And nobody is all
good or all bad. And not everybody who disagrees does so for bad
motives, just as not all who agree are ones who do so for good
motives.
We have a movement to rebuild. Unless deliberate insult has been
offered, it should not be assumed. Because with the people who
may win election next Tuesday being the sorts who literally want
to change the rules of the game to ensure that conservatives no
longer have a level playing field any more, it may be true soon
more than it has been true since 1776 that we will all hang
together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.
The "squishes" like Brooks, Frum, Kristol, Noonan, and I wouldn't
normally throw Will in there but he is doing it to himself, are
in for a pummeling when the election is over, as are a bunch of
other "smarter- than-everyone-in-the- room" tea-and-croisant
crowd, nose-in-the-air *conservative* commentators.
J David| 10.31.08 @ 10:29AM
Because Palin is the first REAL reformer anyone has seen,
squishiness and spiteful behavior toward her, even if it is only
perceived as such, is going to be a fault line between those who
"comment" for a living and people attempting to rebuild the GOP.
People want to identify with Palin, and an insult to her,
perceived or real, is going to be an insult personally taken by
millions.
Michael Roush| 10.31.08 @ 11:01AM
Brooks, Frum, Fukayama, Will and Noonan are conservatives who
have been mugged by reality. Kristol, typically, is behaving like
a whirling dervish.
J David| 10.31.08 @ 11:54AM
Brooks and Krugman actually have columns that agree with each
other on expansion of gov't spending today in the NYTimes. Brooks
is working on qualifying himself for outright liberal status in
preparation for the new socialist regime under Obama.
BD57| 10.31.08 @ 1:18PM
Quin:
I agree with your "snobbery / anti-snobbery snobbery" point - it
is out there and it poisons what should be a very serious
discussion about the future course of conservatism.
With that said, many of the people being called "snobs" have
brought it on themselves by advancing transparently ridiculous
arguments against Palin.
How do people who say they'll vote Obama / Biden over McCain /
Palin because she lacks experience justify that foolishness? In
the world of experience, Obama's the lightweight of the four -
indeed, Palin's the only one who has ever implemented anything
she ran on.
Obama was a STATE Senator - below Palin's experience as a
Governor. He was barely a U.S. Senator when he started running
for President. His most (only?) discernible talent is to present
himself well in public.
Palin's time in Alaska gives plenty of reason to believe her
instincts are good, that she's grounded in the beliefs
conservatives cherish.
If she's willing to learn, humble enough to know what she doesn't
know and needs to learn and will take the time to do it, then not
having been "on the national scene for four years" (if being a
Senator who spends 1/2 his time running for president counts as
being 'on the national scene') is no impediment to serving as
Vice President with distinction.
In short, if those who dislike Palin & are going to vote
Obama because she was selected had some arguments that didn't
sink like a rock when examined in the "real world" - you don't
get your 'perfect choice', it's either Obama/Biden or
McCain/Palin - then it'd be easier to discount the "snobbery"
attack on Brooks, et al.
james23| 10.31.08 @ 1:24PM
KParker boiled anti-Palinism down to its essence today at Nat'l
Review: "I hate Sarah Palin." That's it, that's all they've got.
See also "cancer" Brooks and "vulgar" Noonan.
I wish all three of them, and "Christo," best of luck with their
new gigs at HuffPo.
Quin, save yourself, the rest of the anti-Palin crowd have given
Palin-hatred a bad name.
J David| 10.31.08 @ 10:23AM
The "squishes" like Brooks, Frum, Kristol, Noonan, and I wouldn't normally throw Will in there but he is doing it to himself, are in for a pummeling when the election is over, as are a bunch of other "smarter- than-everyone-in-the- room" tea-and-croisant crowd, nose-in-the-air *conservative* commentators.
J David| 10.31.08 @ 10:29AM
Because Palin is the first REAL reformer anyone has seen, squishiness and spiteful behavior toward her, even if it is only perceived as such, is going to be a fault line between those who "comment" for a living and people attempting to rebuild the GOP. People want to identify with Palin, and an insult to her, perceived or real, is going to be an insult personally taken by millions.
Michael Roush| 10.31.08 @ 11:01AM
Brooks, Frum, Fukayama, Will and Noonan are conservatives who have been mugged by reality. Kristol, typically, is behaving like a whirling dervish.
J David| 10.31.08 @ 11:54AM
Brooks and Krugman actually have columns that agree with each other on expansion of gov't spending today in the NYTimes. Brooks is working on qualifying himself for outright liberal status in preparation for the new socialist regime under Obama.
BD57| 10.31.08 @ 1:18PM
Quin:
I agree with your "snobbery / anti-snobbery snobbery" point - it is out there and it poisons what should be a very serious discussion about the future course of conservatism.
With that said, many of the people being called "snobs" have brought it on themselves by advancing transparently ridiculous arguments against Palin.
How do people who say they'll vote Obama / Biden over McCain / Palin because she lacks experience justify that foolishness? In the world of experience, Obama's the lightweight of the four - indeed, Palin's the only one who has ever implemented anything she ran on.
Obama was a STATE Senator - below Palin's experience as a Governor. He was barely a U.S. Senator when he started running for President. His most (only?) discernible talent is to present himself well in public.
Palin's time in Alaska gives plenty of reason to believe her instincts are good, that she's grounded in the beliefs conservatives cherish.
If she's willing to learn, humble enough to know what she doesn't know and needs to learn and will take the time to do it, then not having been "on the national scene for four years" (if being a Senator who spends 1/2 his time running for president counts as being 'on the national scene') is no impediment to serving as Vice President with distinction.
In short, if those who dislike Palin & are going to vote Obama because she was selected had some arguments that didn't sink like a rock when examined in the "real world" - you don't get your 'perfect choice', it's either Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin - then it'd be easier to discount the "snobbery" attack on Brooks, et al.
james23| 10.31.08 @ 1:24PM
KParker boiled anti-Palinism down to its essence today at Nat'l Review: "I hate Sarah Palin." That's it, that's all they've got. See also "cancer" Brooks and "vulgar" Noonan.
I wish all three of them, and "Christo," best of luck with their new gigs at HuffPo.
Quin, save yourself, the rest of the anti-Palin crowd have given Palin-hatred a bad name.