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That's what Woodward said on NPR this summer. His grand jury testimony, detailed today in the Washington Post, gives context to that quote, and adds a new layer of confusion to a "scandal" that looks more and more hollow. Woodward learned Plame's name from a senior administration official who "casually" mentioned it; Woodward didn't consider the information classified; the information was so unhot that when Woodward himself casually mentioned Plame's CIA identity to a fellow reporter that reporter, Walter Pincus, says he can't remember the conversation.