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William F. Buckley Jr. and CPAC’s Mission

By on 3.5.13 @ 6:12AM

CPAC controversies over Christie, gays come from a misreading of group’s purpose.

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E. The most alarming single danger to the American political system lies in the fact that an identifiable team of Fabian operators is bent on controlling both our major political parties(under the sanction of such fatuous and unreasoned slogans as “national unity,” “middle-of-the-road,” “progressivism,” and “bipartisanship.”) Clever intriguers are reshaping both parties in the image of Babbitt, gone Social-Democrat. When and where this political issue arises, we are, without reservations, on the side of the traditional two-party system that fights its feuds in public and honestly; and we shall advocate the restoration of the two-party system at all costs.

F. The competitive price system is indispensable to liberty and material progress. It is threatened not only by the growth of Big Brother government, but by the pressure of monopolies(including union monopolies. What is more, some labor unions have clearly identified themselves with doctrinaire socialist objectives. The characteristic problems of harassed business have gone unreported for years, with the result that the public has been taught to assume(almost instinctively) that conflicts between labor and management are generally traceable to greed and intransigence on the part of management. Sometimes they are; often they are not. CPAC will explore and oppose the inroads upon the market economy caused by monopolies in general, and politically oriented unionism in particular; and it will tell the violated businessman’s side of the story.

G. No superstition has more effectively bewitched America’s Liberal elite than the fashionable concepts of world government, the United Nations, internationalism, international atomic pools, sharia, fascination with Islamic fundamentalism etc. Perhaps the most important and readily demonstrable lesson of history is that freedom goes hand in hand with a state of political decentralization, that remote government is irresponsible government. It would make greater sense to grant independence to each of our 50 states than to surrender U.S. sovereignty to either a world organization or a caliphate in waiting.

And there, Buckley stops, as he did in the original.

In these Buckleyesque thoughts one can surely find answers to the current CPAC kerfuffles over the “snubbing” of Governor Christie (indeed, an invited guest last year) and the “exclusion” of GOP Proud.

Let’s begin with Governor Christie.

Recall Buckley writing the following in this mission statement — and this is a direct, untweaked-by-me Buckley quote: 

The most alarming single danger to the American political system lies in the fact that an identifiable team of Fabian operators is bent on controlling both our major political parties (under the sanction of such fatuous and unreasoned slogans as “national unity,” “middle-of-the-road,” “progressivism,” and “bipartisanship”).

Catch that? The Buckley reference to “bipartisanship” as part of “the most alarming single danger to the American political system”? Catch the bit about the “identifiable team of Fabian operators…bent on controlling both our major political parties ….under the sanction of such fatuous and unreasoned slogans as…. ‘bipartisanship.’”?

Now take a look at this headline and news story in The Huffington Post on Governor Christie from January of this year — a mere three months ago:

Chris Christie Calls For Bipartisanship In Washington Speech

WASHINGTON — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), in a speech designed to boost his reelection this year and a possible 2016 presidential candidacy, told Garden State business leaders Thursday night that more bipartisanship is needed in politics.

Christie focused much of his speech on New Jersey’s recovery from Hurricane Sandy and a bipartisan response from the state congressional delegation seeking federal funds for the recovery. Christie spoke at the annual New Jersey Chamber of Commerce dinner in Washington, which brought hundreds of business and political leaders from the state to the nation’s capital.

…. Christie said people want political leaders to work together and put aside partisanism.

Say again.

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About the Author

Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (69) |

Larry E| 3.5.13 @ 6:56AM

Thanks again Mr. Lord ... Establishment Republicans are still reeling from the loss of not merely the candidate they imposed on us ... but the loss of their hold on power. It was tenuous then ... its simply non existent now.

Like children stomping about the room in a frenzied tantrum ... they simply can't bear the thought of an organized conservative movement with a cogent and principled message. It's simply to great a threat to ... them.

Christie is no conservative. No conservative faints at that announcement. It's as evident as the noon day sun. Nor was/is Romney or Jeb Bush. Conservatives are in ascendency and its driving the Left mad ... both among Democrats and Republicans.

Momentum and passion are on our side. A steady string of losses and hypocritical posturing is on theirs. I rather like our chances.

Purp| 3.5.13 @ 11:39AM

Hahahaha ... OMG ... Stop it.... my side is splitting ... Conservadums in ascendancy? You mean like Todd Akin or Richard Murdock - the House of Raperesentatives Twins? Or how about Christine O'Donnell, the Witch?
I haven't laughed so hard in quite a while... Thanks for the laugh!

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 12:03PM

Purpie the Village Idiot posted:

1. "Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

2. purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

3. In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

4. Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born.

5. purpie believes that a 20% cut in the tax rate will INCREASE his 0% rate to 8%.

6. purpie also posted one of the female bloggers here should just lay back and enjoy the rape.
7. purpie is a racist who posted that "You can't even beat a black man....haha," implying blacks are inferior.

Purp-arnie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in debate.

Drunken Sailor| 3.5.13 @ 3:51PM

Don't feed the troll

Woodrow| 3.5.13 @ 5:08PM

CJW - whether you might be "feeding the troll", as Drunken says, I appreciate the reminder of the many asinine things Purp has said.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 5:17PM

Woodrow
Thanks. You cannot have a rational conversation with someone who went from Purpleguy to Purp/arnie. I post it to show what he said which is the best way to impeach whatever shred of credibility he may have.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 5:20PM

DS
It is difficult to not mock purpie with his own words.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 4:49PM

"When you have no basis for argument, abuse the plaintiff."...Cicero

Nice to see that you've taken ole Marcus's advice, Purpie. What's wrong, Junior? Are you sad that most people are turning away from your state-fellating ideology & realizing that this nanny state & centrally controlled economy is so much horse crap? Or just mad that you're not gonna get your gub-mint check because of your "president's" sequester idea?

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 5:19PM

NB

Welcome back, we missed you.

Here is purpie's answer: "OMG." "Ha ha." "Hmm." "Puleaze." Sounds like a teenager, mentally at least.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 5:46PM

Good to BE back, my friend!

Yes indeed. Purpie is yet another example of why liberalism is thought to be a state of "perpetual childhood."

Sean| 3.5.13 @ 7:19AM

CPAC's mission this year is to promote amnesty. It is going to be pack with proamnesty speakers and panelists.

Fiscal| 3.5.13 @ 8:27AM

Poor Bill Buckley would turn over in his grave if he saw today's CPAC. Buckley was a fiscal conservative -- today's so-called "conservatives" are primarily social conservatives. He respected individual thought, and today's CPAC audience wants to force their social views on all of us. He respected the libertarian part of conservatism and today's group berates libertarian thought.

In addition, Buckley was intellectually honest and wouldn't support intellectually bankrupt people like Sarah Palin. As an intellectual leader, Buckley would have recognized that societies evolve and that something that was once not acceptable, would be acceptable today. Those who think otherwise are living with old ghosts.

Young voters will eventually force change because they are far more libertarian than you old goats. They are also far less likely to force their religious views on the rest of us.

Someday, there will be a group of conservatives who are fiscally sound because voters will continue to diminish the election of social conservative troglodytes. Someday you'll have a group of voters who will be honest about cutting entitlements like Medicare and not support vouchers which causes a greater problem and do support payment restrictions, pay for results and not procedures, and not keeping old people on machines forever and making the rest of us pay for it.

C. Vernon Crisler | 3.5.13 @ 9:24AM

I submit that you are part of the problem. You are part of the "well-fed Right, whose ignorance and amorality have never been exaggerated for the same reason that one cannot exaggerate infinity."

JP| 3.5.13 @ 10:20AM

"Poor Bill Buckley would turn over in his grave if he saw today's CPAC. Buckley was a fiscal conservative -- today's so-called "conservatives" are primarily social conservatives."

You must be talking about another William Buckley. In a conversation once with NR editor Joe Sobran, William Buckley said this about gays,

"They should be branded. On their buttocks should be branded the following warning, "Abandon hope all Ye who enter here.""

Buckley was an orthodox Catholic who shared many libertarian views. Some of his closest friends converted to Catholicism (Malcolmn Muggeridge), and he openly supported social convservative views (Pro Life, Pro Family, etc...)

vtwin| 3.5.13 @ 12:23PM

JP, good point conservatives have always been idiots.

Al Adab| 3.5.13 @ 12:54PM

Idiots vtwin? No. Conservatives just simply recognize that there actually are moral absolutes and that governments are obligated to recognize those truths. This is not to say governments must impose them by force as conversely they must not impose other ideologies. That would be totalitarian or tyrannical at least. No, the history of Western Civilization demonstrates that truth is knowable and that man must seek it and recognize it. Values are not relativistic and current fads or fashions cannot substitute for what are in fact moral absolutes no matter how popular such a fashion may be.

hoosiertoo| 3.5.13 @ 3:45PM

There mosr certainly are moral absolutes. Pandering to the violoators of said absolutes is largely te problem we have today. We will not reach today's largely amoral electorate with pet social conservative issues. Electing fiscal conservative libertarians who can at least recognize that bad behavior has consequences and have the will to stop paying for it is the best we can hope for right now.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 1:47PM

I recall this statement was made as part of a long discussion on how to prevent AIDS, with various proposals, some for the sake of argument, not all of them to be taken seriously, except by lefties taking them out of context. Since you put in the quotation marks, you should quote the entire article. Buckley also said if he won the NYC mayor contest he would ask for a recount. Do you take that literally and seriously?

Seek| 3.5.13 @ 4:06PM

"Abandon hope all Ye who enter here."

Now THAT's funny! Even better than "It's an exit, not an entrance." I didn't know that Buckley had a sense of humor this risque. Any other examples of WFB's delightfully sick Bloomsbury wit?

DRed| 3.5.13 @ 4:51PM

What's also funny is that there's no evidence Buckley actually said that. He did call for people with AIDS to be tattooed on their forearm and their ass (to warn away intravenous drug users and male homosexuals, respectively) but JP seems to have added the Dante quote himself.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 5:22PM

You do know that line is from Dante's Inferno. It shows WFB was educated in the Great Books.

DRed| 3.5.13 @ 5:33PM

No, it would show WFB was familiar with Dante if he'd actually said that. Here's the article where Buckley first mentions his tattoo idea-there's no Dante joke.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/0.....-aids.html

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 6:16PM

You may be right, Dred. I read it in Dinesh Dszousa's "Letters to a Young Conservative." At NR they were " debating" what to write on the tattoo and he recollects Jeffrey Hart suggested the Dante line. But you do not seriously maintain that WFB was not familiar with Dante, do you?

DRed| 3.5.13 @ 6:48PM

Nope. I never even unseriously maintained that.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 12:14PM

Buckley made his reputation with his first book "God and man at Yale." If you read that book and believe that Buckley was not a social conservative, and only a fiscal conservative, then you may be the only one with such an opinion. Moreover, there is no clear line between being a fiscal and social conservative. That seems to be a distinction made by lefty journalists and others who have no clear understanding of either.

Maybe should you should define what you mean by fiscal and social conservative and libertarian.

Al Adab| 3.5.13 @ 12:56PM

W:
See my above in re moral absolutes. Recall also Buckleys exchange with Gore Vidal.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 1:40PM

Al Adab
Well said. I agree.

Controse| 3.5.13 @ 12:26PM

In what way is Sarah Palin intellectually bankrupt? What does intellectually bankrupt mean anyway? Something that was once not acceptable, such as homosexuality since the dawn of civilization, would be acceptable today. Conservatives do not want to "force" beliefs onto anyone. Conservatives want the opportunity to persuade. You and your ilk want no back talk.

Stephie| 3.5.13 @ 1:16PM

Oh you know Controse, she's not from one of those Ivy League institutions. She actually worked for a living, married her high school sweetheart and had a passel of lovely children. In today's regressive liberals' minds, that is considered "intellectually bankrupt".

Seek| 3.5.13 @ 4:10PM

"Intellectually bankrupt" -- as in shockingly uncurious, shrill, ill-informed, incapable of admitting error, and morally unctuous.

Yes, I'd say that Sarah Palin answers to such a description. Indeed, so does the conservative Fox News Channel. That's why they let her go the other day.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 4:54PM

You want to see "intellectually bankrupt," then take a look at all the regressive idiots who still pound their glo-bull warming bibles, even though the whole thing has been denounced as FRAUDULENT in the wake of "Climate-gate."

C. Vernon Crisler | 3.5.13 @ 5:10PM

Seek, you've just described yourself: uncurious, shrill, ill-iniformed, incapable of admitting error, and (im)moraly unctuous.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 5:13PM

Like most regressives, Seek is one of the poster children for "projection in action."

Seek| 3.6.13 @ 3:49PM

Sorry, there, Vern and Cicero, but I go on empirical evidence -- like Palin's speeches, TV appearances, (ghostwritten) books, and published interviews with people, mainly fellow Alaskans, who know her personally and are less than impressed.

Al Adab| 3.5.13 @ 8:37AM

CPAC is not the GOP and the GOP certainly is not CPAC, or even Conservative except relatively speaking for that matter. Who CPAC invites should reflect the philosophy of that organization not be a stage for whoever might be the popular republican of the day. Trends and popularity come and go, but the timeless values reflected by the Conservative Movement should live forever and will if supported by work, energy and dollars from adherents.

Larry E| 3.5.13 @ 8:38AM

Fiscal, you've clearly discovered another Bill Buckley. One bearing the same moniker but an entirely different personage.

Or perhaps you're simply employing the same hackneyed practice of the Left who simply imposes their own thoughts and agendas on dead conservatives in service to their narrow and dishonest ends.

In either case you could be more wrong ... or morally repugnant.

Larry E| 3.5.13 @ 8:44AM

Too many typos ...

Fiscal, you've clearly discovered another Bill Buckley. One bearing the same moniker but who is an entirely different personage.

Or perhaps you're simply employing the same hackneyed practice of the Left which simply imposes their own thoughts and agendas on dead conservatives ... in service to their narrow and dishonest ends.

In either case you couldn't be more wrong ... or morally repugnant.

R Martin| 3.5.13 @ 9:04AM

I sure would like to see the expression on Fiscal's face when, some years from now, a smirking bureaucrat steps in and sweeps the medicine helping to keep Fiscal alive from his bedside table...while muttering something about an old goat.

Von Mises Jr| 3.5.13 @ 9:13AM

Fecal must be a genius speaking for WFB. He states that "Buckley would have recognized that societies evolve." But the truth is that there are timeless truths, and if anyone refuses to "evolve" it is liberals.
Rousseau's "Social Contract is 250 years old. Marx "Communist Manifesto" is 165 years old. These theories evolved during and immediately after the end of serfdom. They have been tried in one form or another for 225 years from the French Revolution to the USSR to NAZI Germany to Mao's China to the European Union. Every time and everywhere it has failed. But Fecal speaks for WFB.
As something like Lloyd Bentsen once said "I have read WFB, and Fecal is no WFB."

bustunloose| 3.5.13 @ 8:49AM

How about many tents ?

C. Vernon Crisler | 3.5.13 @ 9:26AM

Problem with big tent-ism is that it ends up being a circus tent.

Von Mises Jr| 3.5.13 @ 9:29AM

What Christie did in the Medicaid Expansion is to force 97.5% of Americans to chip in for the health care cost of Jersey whose population is about 2.5% of the nation. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons estimated that it could cost as much as $5B per year to expand Medicaid in New Jersey to 133% of the poverty line. This would be a 15% increase in Jersey's State Budget. But by offloading it to the Feral government, it does not make the $5B go away. It guarantees that they $5B will be spent on socialized medicine and that the costs will be socialized.
Next up in Jersey is 24 gun laws that reduce legal clips to ten rounds, outlaws many bullets and gives the State the ability to examine gun owners for psychological problems, as well as create a registry. The registry strategy was employed by Hitler before he confiscated guns in 1937.
Christie failed the test on the Medicaid Expansion, but the gun legislation will be a test as to whether he will be a failed politician. I suspect he cannot even win NJ Governorship in November, no less higher Office if he comes for our guns. The peopel who voted for Christie are in the rural counties. These will be the people that determine his future.

loulou| 3.5.13 @ 9:30AM

What? No mention of Grover Norquist? The muslim convert with ties to jihadis?

Pamela Geller was banned this year even though she always had Standing Room Only crowds. Why? Because she says that Islamists are a threat? Can CPAC not handle the truth?

Boycott CPAC.

Kwan| 3.5.13 @ 10:20AM

It would seem that periodically the morons in these "Blue" states elect a conservative or semi-conservative to clean up the mess caused by years of incompetent Democrat Party leadership. Then once they perceive things are getting a little better like suicidal lemmings they bring back the Democrat Party screw-ups and the cycle starts all over. Odds are Christie will continue to move to the left and eventually with great fanfare announce that he has finally seen the light and will become a Democrat.

Purp| 3.5.13 @ 11:45AM

Anyone with any brains would do the same...

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 12:05PM

Purpie the Village Idiot posted:

1. "Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

2. purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

3. In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

4. Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born.

5. purpie believes that a 20% cut in the tax rate will INCREASE his 0% rate to 8%.

6. purpie also posted one of the female bloggers here should just lay back and enjoy the rape.
7. purpie is a racist who posted that "You can't even beat a black man....haha," implying blacks are inferior.

Purp-arnie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in debate.

Controse| 3.5.13 @ 12:34PM

Individuals such as yourself that cut and paste the same reply to comments on different subjects are lazy and unpersuasive.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 12:43PM

Who cares what you "think"? You must be related to purpie.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 5:11PM

What's wrong, Junior? Do you have a problem with using inane quotes from people's pasts to make a point about their "intellectual bankruptcies"? That's funny, considering that those of your ilk do so ALL THE TIME. Come on back when you have something pertinent to say. Or when you can debunk what someone says with something even REMOTELY resembling logic. Until then, you remain one of the prime examples of why liberalism is considered by many to be a state of perpetual childhood.

Kwan| 3.5.13 @ 12:34PM

Yes the Democrat Party is winning the future for the American People. That is if you call bankruptcy winning.
From the article "How the Democrats Destroyed Detroit" by Arnold Ahlert:
Detroit is a city on the brink of ruination. At the center of that ruination is 50 years of Democrat rule.
Detroit residents have had fifty years to fix their own problems. They’ve elected Democrat after Democrat, bringing the city to the brink of bankruptcy.
Considering some of the men who have run this city, Detroit’s descent into "socialistic" ruination should surprise no one.
An unbroken series of Democratic mayors followed, all of whom had a hand in implementing the full panoply of progressive policies, highlighted by the giveaways to public service employees. The same swath of progressive policies destroyed the public school system as well.

Seek| 3.5.13 @ 4:16PM

I read the piece and it is utterly disingenuous. Anyone who can point to the decline of Detroit without treating as central, not incidental, the fact that the city is now over four-fifths black and ridden with violent crime (almost all black) is not to be taken seriously. Plenty of cities have been run by white Democrats for decades and they are in good shape. Seattle and Portland are Democratic cities, and they are among the nation's most livable. Their ultimate amenity, of course, is that they're mainly white -- and safe.

Of course, we can't say this openly at a CPAC conference. That would be unbecoming of an "inclusive" movement.

Kwan| 3.5.13 @ 6:30PM

In case you haven't noticed our Great Kenyan Leader Obama is Black and has the same corrupt leftist agenda as those leftist bums that destroyed Detroit.

Seek| 3.6.13 @ 3:56PM

Thanks for reminding me that Obama is black, Kwan. But before you offer additional unique insights, let me reiterate: Detroit's population is more than 80 percent black; the U.S. population, by contrast, is only about 12.5 percent black. Detroit isn't just simply "Democrat" or "progressive." It's overwhelmingly black, in demography, culture and politics. If it resembled mainly white Seattle, Portland or Pittsburgh, it wouldn't be in bad shape -- not even close.

JP| 3.5.13 @ 10:22AM

A close friend of Buckley had a rule: If an person or organization isn't adamantly conservative it will overtime become liberal.

Purp| 3.5.13 @ 11:48AM

Translation: If you're bull-headed and self-centered you will stay conservative - if you're open-minded and fair you will become liberal.

Yeah, that's about right.

Stephie| 3.5.13 @ 1:20PM

But don't be so open minded
that your brains fall out :-)

Drunken Sailor| 3.5.13 @ 3:54PM

A little late to give him that warning.

JP| 3.5.13 @ 10:25AM

Funny, you never hear "moderates" complain that Planned Parenthood or ACORN never moderate their views. It's only conservative groups that must open their doors.

Purp| 3.5.13 @ 11:49AM

Ahhh, because those organizations HAD open doors, duh.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 12:17PM

Purpie the Village Idiot posted:

1. "Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

2. purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

3. In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

4. Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born.

5. purpie believes that a 20% cut in the tax rate will INCREASE his 0% rate to 8%.

6. purpie also posted one of the female bloggers here should just lay back and enjoy the rape.
7. purpie is a racist who posted that "You can't even beat a black man....haha," implying blacks are inferior.

Purp-arnie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in debate.

Stephie| 3.5.13 @ 1:26PM

Yes Purp, misery loves company., "Come on in folks, the water's fine"

And PP being a profit driven business does have open doors. Killing babies and exploiting women is how they make their cash.
ACORN, those folks have just sold their souls to obama.
It appears you have done the same.

Doctor Right| 3.5.13 @ 11:05AM

Christie should have been invited, and he should have been given a speaking slot so the attendees would have the chance to boo him right off of the stage and into the Democrats' waiting arms.

It's high time that corpulent fraud was exposed for what he is.

I'd say he's a RINO, but he's really a Hippo.

Chazael| 3.5.13 @ 12:32PM

Big tents and rephrasing "...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." to just "...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." (not in the article, but it is always implied in these arguments).

Taking the latter first, when you start with a creator for rights it means that not everything can be a right. When you leave the creator out, then anything can be a right.

In the case of homosexuality it is impossible to be a right if you hold that the statement in the Declaration is true, because homosexuality cannot come from a creator. Something must go wrong in order for homosexuality to exist. In a perfect world homosexuality would never rear up. One cannot point to creation for it, one must point to the corruption of creation for it.

As for the big tent.

"Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!" Matt 18:7

If one thinks that placing/upholding stumbling blocks is good because someone wants/desires to trip over a stumbling block.... think again.

Upholding evil is upholding evil... no matter how you slice it. Even if you put the label "freedom" on it.

Controse| 3.5.13 @ 12:43PM

If a sexual activity leads to reproduction it is natural. Homosexuality of course does not lead to reproduction. What adults do with their genitals is their business. Why do the rest of us have to hear about it 24/7? Through the ages there has been a simple rule. Couples that can reproduce are couples that society will honor with the title "married." No reproduction, no married.

Seek| 3.5.13 @ 4:21PM

Let's assume a middle-aged heterosexual couple in their 50s decides to get married. Let's assume as well that each partner has a couple kids from a prior marriage and can't have (and doesn't want) any more. Are you implying they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Because if you are, you've got a strange way of looking at things.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 5:20PM

What does this have to do with the fact that the homo rights crowd wants to actually REDEFINE a word to suit the bull crap political agenda? I don't really care if homosexuals get married. Nor do I care if they get all the bennies associated with heterosexual marriage. Just don't ask me to call it "marriage." Because its NOT. Call it a civil union, call it whatever the hell you wanna call it. Just don't ask or expect me to call it "marriage." And don't expect me to like it. Just as homosexuals should be free to do whatever they want in their own lives & bedrooms, I should be free to have my opinion that having "Mommy & Mommy" or "Daddy & Daddy" is BAD "BID-NESS" for kids in such a household.

C. Vernon Crisler | 3.5.13 @ 8:54PM

Reek, heterosexual people (you know, normal people) have the potential, though in some cases, remote, to bring forth children.

Homosexuals do not have this capability.

Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 3.5.13 @ 5:43PM

From the Article:

"Liberals, as Buckley understood, don’t want debate. They demand acceptance."

"The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism."...Karl Marx

It doesn't get any more simple than that. Regressives & lefties still follow Marx to the letter, whether or not they realize it. And you can take it to the bank that the regressives who're IN power know this quote by heart. You cannot, with a straight face, tell me that this isn't one of the mantras that this current "president" & his fellow regressives in elected office live by.

Good for CPAC in NOT inviting the big as a RINO Christie to their forum. The man is NOT a conservative. And, is Mr. Lord points out in his piece, neither are the pukes a GOP Proud. More than likely, GOP Proud is made up of die hard regressives who only adopted such a name in order to cause divisions within the party. Again, as Mr. Lord points out (& Breitbart wrote about as well), if such a group WERE actually CONSERVATIVE, they would resort to "outing" their political opponents or those who disagree with them, in no matter how minuscule the matter.

CJW| 3.5.13 @ 6:21PM

It would not surprise me if Christie runs as an "Independent" if he can in NJ, given the strict ethical voting rules in NJ.

Yelling at union representatives and teachers do not make him a conservative.

His convention keynote speech was awful, all about himself, when he should have attacked O and praised Mitt. Instead he praised himself. And slobbering all over O right before the election is inexcusable.

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http://spectator.org/archives/2013/03/05/william-f-buckley-jr-and-cpacs

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