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S.E. Cupp and the Freezing of the Conservative Mind
Columnist disses Rush while misreading Reagan and Lee Atwater.
(Page 5 of 6)
“…we can get three Republicans on three different networks saying, ‘What Rush Limbaugh said is crazy and stupid and dangerous,’ maybe that’ll give other Republicans cover.”
Again. Are they kidding? That is no way to run a revolution — by becoming part of the very Establishment that wanted to ruin Rush as they tried to ruin Lee. To become part of the crowd that spent decades attacking Ronald Reagan as an extremist simpleton.
To use a description from Allan Bloom’s book, what Cupp and her colleagues in the Times story seem to be demonstrating is “…young people who, lacking an understanding of the past and a vision of the future, live in an impoverished present.”
In this case, an understanding of the past that specifically means not that conservatives can’t legitimately disagree with Rush or any other prominent conservative on issue X. An understanding of the past means, as I use it here, that one should not be so intellectually impoverished enough as to not know that how you disagree — and most importantly in today’s world, where you do it — is critical. Because the other side is not looking for a debate — they are looking to destroy. Ronald Reagan and Lee Atwater yesterday, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Mark Levin or Fox News or Sarah Palin today or, inevitably, a Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz tomorrow.
Now.
This said, there was a serious bright spot in the Times article — although it seemed the participants are not even aware of it.
Yes, they are right about the GOP Establishment. And there is infinitely more going on there than just a problem of what was politely called “corporate rigidity.” We have been… ahhhh… not shy about discussing this in this space.
When outsider consultant Erik Telford talks about “a very incestuous community of consultants who profit off certain tactics, and that creates bias and inhibits innovation,” he is dead on correct. We have been Karl Rove critics in this corner (here and here) — precisely because he is seen here as part of an “old guard” that is the GOP Establishment. Older than even Mr. Telford and the rest may realize.
Specifically meaning, whether discussed or not, Mr. Rove from this space is seen as a representative of one half of what I call here the “Reagan-Bush” divide. Or, if you will, the divide between the GOP’s Reagan Revolutionaries and the Bush/Moderate GOP Establishment.
It disturbs to read of young, highly talented techies like Vincent Harris (he the “24-year-old social-media consultant whose efforts in Texas helped catapult Ted Cruz to an upset victory” over the GOP Establishment candidate in the Texas Senate primary) being left out of something like a presidential campaign. That kind of thing is obviously as typical as it is stupid and self-defeating — if inevitable in an Establishment campaign.
But Harris is wrong to say in referring to Rove: “We’re the second rung. The first tier isn’t going away for another 20 years.”
Respectfully, this is because Harris is allowing himself to be mesmerized by the Bush side of this situation.
He should pay closer attention to the Reagan side.
The fact of the matter is that what won Ronald Reagan the presidential nomination in 1980 — and fueled his campaign in 1976 against Gerald Ford plus his first run for the GOP nomination as governor of California — were the Vincent Harris’s of the day. Some young, some old, but almost all well outside the sitting and powerful GOP Establishment of the day.
This is perhaps best summed up by the tale of a baffled Senator Howard Baker who, having lost the 1980 GOP nomination to Reagan (along with such other Establishment favorites as Ambassador George H.W. Bush, Senator Bob Dole, ex-Nixon Treasury Secretary and Texas Governor John Connally, and Congressman John Anderson), stood on the perimeter of the Convention floor in Detroit looking at the delegates and murmuring, baffled: “These aren’t my people.”
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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.
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Robbins Mitchell| 2.21.13 @ 6:22AM
Ms Cupp is a Katleen Parker/David Brooks/David Frum breed of "conservative"...only when it is socially and professionally convenient for her to to pose a one
Jack in Wi| 2.21.13 @ 8:10AM
Cupp is no conservative. If she was she wouldn't get a big piece in the New Times. But Reagan has been gone for 25 years and can't be used forever as an icon. Rush Limbaugh is 63 years old, has had 4 wives and a drug problem. He is a terrific talent as an entertainer. No one can deny that. But I turned him off cold turkey after 13 years of listenership in 2003 when he want all Israel, all war, all the time. We have to move on now. The wars and the Bushes are indefensible. This party can never come back with the stale mantra of war and welfare for the rich. It has to emphasize small government, low taxes, Life, liberty and Peace.
Mike W| 2.21.13 @ 9:17AM
I did the same to Rush in 2002 when he played up the propaganda for the war. I am a Rush listener again because he has steered away from the foreign policy issues that crybaby Glenn and pro amnesty Hannity cover. He is the best in the business when it comes down to the heart of the matter.
Laura Ingraham is my new favorite. She is tougher on the fake conservatives like McCain, Graham and Rove.
SUBVET| 2.21.13 @ 10:20AM
Mike........don't forget Greta....
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:29PM
And, to put on Clean Underwear and Socks.
Seek| 2.21.13 @ 12:51PM
I never cared much for Rush. Willfully lowbrow for the sake of appealing to fellow lowbrows, I don't he's capable of dealing seriously with any political issue or admitting that once in a while (hey, it happens), liberals get it right. Put it this way: If a liberal, acting in self-defense, shoots a violent black teen playing the "knockout king" game, I'll defend him in a second.
As for S.E. Cupp, she's vacuous and filled with a "victim" mentality. Read her book, "Losing Our Religion." The "atheism" she professes in its pages is nothing of the sort. It's just a wannabe encomium to the ranks of Christians she'd like to join -- if only there was evidence. She's got a great bod, though. I stood next to her a couple years ago at a CPAC conference. Hot!
Controse| 2.21.13 @ 1:36PM
"...fellow lowbrows..." juxtaposed against "She's got a great bod, though" brings to mind that ancient adage "the pot calling the kettle black."
Seek| 2.21.13 @ 4:10PM
Some of the smartest men in history have admitted to their carnal desires. You can call me anything else you'd like, but don't call me "lowbrow" -- fighting words, mate!
Paleo-Con| 2.21.13 @ 6:16PM
Perhaps you meant to say, "she'd be a great bipartisan spokesmodel for Michelle Obama's Lets Move anti-obesity campaign, due to I can personally certify Miss Cupp is easy on the eyes." Say it with a British accent, might work.
William R| 2.21.13 @ 11:08AM
The Hillbilly Heroin Junkie Hush Bimbo spent 8 years defending Bush one of the worst Presidents in history. His idea of a conservative is Mr 5 deferments Chicken Hawk deficits don't matter Dick Cheney. In 2007-08 and again 2011-12 all he did is trash the lone conservative running for the Republican nomination Ron Paul.
And today Reagan wouldn't be welcome in the Republican party due to his views on the Middle East-----Neutrality.
George S| 2.21.13 @ 11:18AM
Bush is history, get over it. Your guy won. Twice.
What do have to be so miserable about? You are getting exactly what you voted for.
Tom Kyba| 2.21.13 @ 12:10PM
Perhaps you might listen to him once before displaying your ignorance about who he is and whom he defends.
Grzmlyk| 2.21.13 @ 12:43PM
Hush Bimbo! My god, that's clever. Did you think of that all by yourself? Very, very witty. Really. Sorry, didn't read the rest of your hate screed.
Limbaugh was right about Sandra Fluke - she wants to have her risky lifestyle subsidized by others. And in America today, that passes for a civil right - the right to have someone else pay for the things you want.
And yet, a question occurs to me: If EVERYBODY has a right to have somebody else pay for the things they want, who's going to do the actual work of producing these things? Ah, never mind. Silly question. We're much better off to banish reality to the day after tomorrow. We can just force the people we don't like to produce the stuff we want.
Grzmlyk| 2.21.13 @ 12:44PM
(cont'd)
As for Kupp, I have no doubt than in a year or less she'll be hailed as one of those erstwhile "conservatives" who has EVOLVED - and she'll follow in David Brock's footsteps with a book about her emergence into the Light.
And yet, the truth is that the only future the GOP has is to become a clone of the Democrat party. Because the critical mass of people in this country benefit from the welfare state: They get goodies from it, they ride ever-burgeoning numbers of victims, whose only succor can come from Uncle Sam, to entrenched positions of power, or else they gladly get in line with the Marxists in order to bask in their own reflected Goodness, not understanding that the line they stand in is for the slaughterhouse.
We have lost this country and we deserve to have lost it.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:32PM
Exactly.
All of it.
Controse| 2.21.13 @ 1:47PM
Rush got in trouble over his depiction of Sandra Fluke because there didn't exist a word to describe a female who believes others should pay for her libertine sex life. Rush let a rare opportunity to coin just the right word to describe such an individual slip away. The new word for such individuals is slunt.
Seek| 2.21.13 @ 4:13PM
Fluke never uttered a public word about her private sexual acts or desires. She simply stated her desire to be able to buy birth control pills. Now I happen to be thoroughly against the Obamacare law on free-market grounds, but the idea she was going public with her "slutty" life is ludicrous. If I were her, I would have gotten a lawyer and sued Limbaugh's head off.
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 4:32PM
No she simpy stated her desire to have someone else or her insurance pay for her birth control. No one forced her to go to a Catholic university.
What do you call a woman who wants to push her responsibility for her birth control to someone else? She had a choice, limit her sex life. Use condoms, or pay for birth control (very cheap in many forms). She choose to crusade to have someone else pay for it.
Rush should have called her what she is, a whore. Is Uncle Sam going to pay for my condoms? I don't think so.
jothepro| 2.21.13 @ 1:39PM
Hey Bill, you never listened to Rush and if you did you are a crock of shit for lying about him....
Crassus| 2.21.13 @ 2:03PM
CHICKEN HAWK! CHICKEN HAWK! CHICKEN HAWK!
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:46PM
Reagan was pro-Israel, R-boy. AIPAC liked him. I belonged to YAF AND AIPAC during the Reagan era.
So sorry, Jihadi boy.
Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 2.21.13 @ 9:21PM
Little Willie R.:
HUH! I guess someone being a recovering addict is only a bad thing when they're conservative. But hell, when they're regressives, its a resume enhancement! Or, when they whore-monger, like Client No. Nine, Elliot Shitzer. Or when they're sitting Senators, like Bob Menendez. Or drunk Dem. Senators who kill people in their car while they're DRIVING DRUNK, & then are lauded as "The Lion of the Senate" upon their unfortunately too late in coming death.
Your selective outrage is amusing.
GobBluthe| 2.22.13 @ 9:18AM
And yet the GOP nominated a guy well to the left of Reagan in 2012.
Dave Williams| 2.21.13 @ 12:25PM
...this knee-jerk Gestapo JACK-hole could find a way to work his anti-Israel rants into a discussion of the weather....
Jack in Wi| 2.21.13 @ 1:10PM
Limbaugh is a bought and paid for Zionist shill and has been for most of his career. They took him to Israel in the mid 90's and Ariel Sharon tied his brain behind his back. As I write this, my wife is listening to Limbaugh. So I hear him once in a while. I said he was a great talent. I just got sick of his shilling for the war and nonsense of the Bushes.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:27PM
Oh look, an anti-Semite. Get off our site and go to StormFront where you belong.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:34PM
Go there?
Jack's House is where they hold their meetings.
Jack in Wi| 2.21.13 @ 3:51PM
Telling the Truth is not antisemitic. Shove your stale name calling where the sun doesn't shine. The people are sick of your attemps to stifle any honest debate about Middle East issues. It is long since time that we got out of the Middle East. Bring the troops home now and cut off all foreign aid to everyone. Then send an ambassador to Iran and honestly negotiate and end to this stupid sanction idea. The world would be a far nicer place and the price of oil would collapse.
Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 2.21.13 @ 9:26PM
Your only "truth" comes from "Mein Kampf," "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" & "The Turner Diaries," you Jew hating piece of trash.
Hey, Jack. Either we Jews are the most inept conspirators in the history of the world, or the most meticulous. Given your ability to weave the inherent danger of Judaism into ANY topic here on AmSpec, we sure as hell know you think them responsible for everything in the world since Abraham first set foot upon the Earth.
You are a joke, Jack. As is your pisspoor & narrow world view, along with your StormFront butt-buddies who share it.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:07PM
Fudgepacker Jack: 30 people read. Rushbo: millions of people listen to.
Too bad he doesn't support raping 9 year olf girls, like you do, Fudgepacker.
chuck| 2.23.13 @ 8:25AM
Really think as many as 30 people read Jackass's comments?
Maybe, but that probably includes Jackass reading it 25 times.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:28PM
Sorry, but your obsessive hatred for Isreal has no place in civilized conversations.
Jack in Wi| 2.21.13 @ 3:57PM
I don't have any obsessive hatred of Israel. I have an obsessive Love of Truth, Peace, Life, and the Christian Gospel. I love this country and want it to be at peace.You seem to be a slave to a racist and terrorist regime in the Middle East. Enough people have died for lies and nonsense. It has to end.
Crassus| 2.21.13 @ 4:08PM
Not to mention 13 year olds.
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 6:49PM
Jack... We don't have any troops in Israel to my knowledge (the CIA is probably there). I agree with bringing our troops home from all Muslim countries who hate America and our Judeo-Christian values and no foreign aid to any Muslim country, but Israel should be the exception. They are our only friend and democracy in the Middle East. Finally, if you are a Christian as you claim then you should understand that Jehovah has declared that any friend of Israel is a friend of God and any enemy of Israel is an enemy of God. I don't think we need to make the big man upstairs mad at America. We need to support Israel for this reason alone!
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:49PM
You, mean, Jack, like you're a slave to child molestors?
You HAVE an obsessive hatred of Israel and Jews, ass. Sorry, but that's the truth, Fudge PACKER. (Packers suck, as does Wisconsin.)
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:28PM
Sorry, but your obsessive hatred for Isreal has no place in civilized conversations.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:47PM
SE Cupp screwed up. She is young. Give her time to correct her errors.
We are up against vermin.
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:08PM
A Marxist colleague at the office gleefully read Lee Atwater's aleged death bed confession regarding "social justice". I just laughed at him (again).
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:31PM
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/p.....goldstein/
Von Mises Jr| 2.21.13 @ 8:15AM
S. E. Cupp is Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann without the brains. She is the estrogen version of Geraldo. They look pretty and claim to be conservatives so they can get TV and radio slots and make lots of money.
In the NYC area we get Rush, Hannity and Levin from noon to 9PM. The morning slot in NYC has had a few moderates with Geraldo currently filling that spot and guest such as Nanny Bloomberg. It is the bow to the "fairness doctrine." Nobody listens to Geraldo just as nobody listened to his predecessors.
FOX News is virtually unwatchable anymore since they always have some liberal idiot to lie and scream the liberal diatribes. MSNBC and the MSM pepper in fake, phony, fraud "conservatives" as Robbins mentions that also include Scarborough and S. E. Cupp.
Bottom-line is that if you want the conservative news then listen to Rush and Levin, and if you want financial and unbiased news watch FOX Business with Cavuto or Dobbs. Otherwise, it is entertainment. And I must admit it is entertaining watching S. E. Cupp although I don't remember ever hearing a word she said.
I mostly read the article hoping to see Ms. Cupp's picture, but unfortunately it was just the same dumb picture of Mr. Lord, although his articles are fine.
Cobalt| 2.21.13 @ 9:27AM
At least one photo of Margaret Hoover would have been nice.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:36AM
Without either the brains OR the good looks.
As if the gimmick of using initials instead of a name is going to give her gravitas.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:36PM
As is Hannity's Radio Show.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:37PM
Check out her Picture in Hustler.
Anthony| 2.21.13 @ 3:35PM
My dear Von, always brilliant, however, Geraldo ain't pretty in anybody's universe. The guy is as ugly as he is stupid. And he doesn't pretend to be a conservative, it's beyond his ability.
I pine for the old days when Geraldo (Jerry Rivers) was in his true element as the pioneer of the Jerry Springer, Maury Povich total debasement of the human condition reality show.
When the intellectual Geraldo wasn't getting the crap beat out of his my some dirtball, he was trying to figure out to make it with the chicks who claimed to have had sex with 3 legged Martians.
And lest we forget, Geraldo's Al Capone special.
Joellen| 2.21.13 @ 4:31PM
Anthony, exectomundo - remember when jerry said Romney would be the better president but endorsed obama - typical liberal logic - oops I mean, typical liberal non-logic.
And now he's putting out he might run for Senate in NJ on the Republican side - ya just cant make it up - wish I was but Iam not.
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:34PM
Liberals' intellect are located in Capone's Vault. LOL
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 6:53PM
Von... I always enjoy your insight and commentary. I agree with you on Ms. Cupp, unfortunately she is on my list of former conservative commentators that I listen to that include Ann Coulter for her embarrassing support of the homosexual agenda and of Gov. Christie for Prez. Keep up the good work.
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:20PM
Hannity is so shallow and his presentation so cartoonish that not only have I not learned anything from him, but he couldn't convert me to Conservatism. I have been a conservative/ libertarian since 1964. In defense of Ms. Cupp, Rush's strategy was idiotic regarding Ms. Fluke. Were I on the air, I would have named all the things that college students are known to enjoy and itemized the costs, with luck would have got Ms. Fluke to admit she buys some or all of them. Then I would have said: "You seem to have money for all these things, If you can't afford to have sex, don't do it."
Then I would have hung up the phone. S.E. Cupp was right, name calling is a poor argument.
topcat52| 2.24.13 @ 12:17PM
Hannity never had an original thought in his life. His MO is to repeat the same phrase over and over again, assuming that it will convince anyone of his brilliance. Limbaugh is an entertainer, and his noon to 3 time slot shows his demographic. The only true intellectual in the bunch is Levin, and he can really go over the deep end on occasion. (Kudlow on Saturday is worth listening to.) They are all, however, better than anything the liberal media has to offer. That is a sorry comment upon the state of the media in this country.
Bob K| 2.21.13 @ 10:58AM
You have to be rather obtuse or poorly educated not to have a "historical awareness of Conservatism" in the United States since our country did not have a conservative movement of any kind until after World War II. Prior to that both parties were Progressive. "Techies" like these people are attracted to Progressivism.
Call these people what they are: Journalists.
Certainly they have no historical sense since, like journalism students, somewhere in their educational process they never learned the difference between reality and opinion.
I wish it wouldn't take Mr. Lord 6 pages to illustrate this but perhaps overkill is sometimes a good thing.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 11:41AM
"I wish it wouldn't take Mr. Lord 6 pages to illustrate ..."
Good luck finding a Jeffrey Lord article less than five pages. All of those one word and one sentence paragraphs need space to grow and spread their message.
Cobalt| 2.21.13 @ 1:03PM
In a battle between verbosity and brevity, on occasion there is merit in the phrase "less is more."
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:21PM
Exactly Bob K- Well done!
Matthew Quigley| 2.21.13 @ 6:59AM
Cupp is no Conservative. I've read some of her writings, and while she is slightly right-of-center, she comes off as more of a wimpy moderate...the kind of "conservative" who would be on MSNBC. The main reason, in my opinion, that she draws any level of attention in the media, is NOT her opinions, which are vapid and warmed-over versions of those spouted by such as Peggy Noonan, but her looks. She essentially is the latest media-designated right-of-center sex symbol...but she isn't a forceful Conservative, along the lines of a Michelle Malkin, for instance (who is, in, again, my opinion, far more physically and intellectually attractive). She is, as Lord has so thoroughly pointed out, merely a moderate...that is to say a somewhat less obnoxious liberal.
She deserves to be on MSNBC. At least there, she can blither all she wants and no one will take her seriously.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 8:52AM
Why do I think that she was wearing Baby Doll Pajamas, Chewing Gum and Twirling her hair when she texted her Story to the Liberals at the Daily News (where I am BANNED FOR LIFE, I might add) on her Cell Phone with the Justin Bieber Cover.
Who is this little girl who thinks that The Man who Single Handedly dragged Conservatism out of the Shadows and gave Voice to a Movement that had been Shut Out by the MSM, "Does not speak for Conservatism". She sould keep her mouth shut, like it was in that Picture in HUSTLER.
Sandra Flucke IS a Slut, AND a Whore, AND a Lying Beotch. By her own admission, the only reason that she was at Georgetown University, was so that she could "Cause Trouble" and Get Laid all the time, and twice on Sunday.
Rush Limbaugh will live on in the History Books. As the man from Africa once said, in a phone call to Rush: "In every corner of the World, your's is a Household Name".
The closest that Miss Hair Twirl can come, is back in her School Days when Her's was a Household Name on every Boys and Mens Room Stall, as well as her Phone Number and what she liked to to with her Head.
These Pronouncements she makes, puts her in a Category with Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Karl Rove, Slingblade Morning Joe Trailer Park and all of the other LIGHTWEIGHTS who believe that THEY are The True Face of Conservativism, because the the Former Theatre Critic at the New York Times, says so.
Get over yourself, sweetheart.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:15AM
She is a Republican first not a conservative as you define it. At best you=8%. So please get the hell out of the GOP, where you hate the majority and form the conservative version of green party. You guys are never gonna be a majority of anything. And, I believe you know it and do not care-so go. You'll win some seats even gain a few electoral votes, etc. So we have a coalition government situation-good-the idea is to stop the radical progressive commie statist nuts.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:38AM
Why do I think that Moron is writing his garbage with one hand on the keyboard, and the other hand on his Anthony Weiner, as he looks at the Picture of Ms. A Cup in Hustler, with what looks like a Costco Hotdog in her mouth?
Him, and his Log Cabin Republican buddies.
I know what you're thinking: Why would he be Choking his Anthony Weiner, looking at a Picture of Ms. A Cupp eating what looks like a Costco Hotdog, if he's a Log Cabin Republican?
That's easily answered.
He's looking at the Hotdog.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 12:13PM
Wow, TLP.
You sure have the eye for detail. How does one distinguish a Costco Hotdog from one from, say, Wag-A-Bag?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:40PM
It's a Fat Foot Longer.
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:08PM
omg... lol.... that is funny right there, I don't care who you are.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:50PM
TLP: a funny Conservative Hero. And all around good guy.
Unlike FudgePacker Jack.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:39AM
TLP-- what is the Daily News? And why would they ban you?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:42PM
It's a New York City Liberal Rag.
And, why did they Ban Me For Life?
Because it's a New York City Liberal Rag.
Joellen| 2.21.13 @ 4:35PM
No one reads the crappy paper T - but would love to hear how they banned you?
In fact, does anyone that comments here read/subscribe to any of the red papers any longer?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 5:03PM
Not me.
The New York Post.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 7:40PM
For me, it's a 100 percent boycott of anything remotely left wing. Campaign '08 was the last straw. They are dead to me now. Never, ever, ever, ever again!!!
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:04PM
TLP - Brilliant analysis... Sandra Fluke had her 15 minutes so I am sure she is now back at Georgetown participating in her daily horizontal recreation. A slut by any other name is still a slut. Rush is good entertainment and moderately conservative, but I wish he wouldn't back down so easily under pressure, the big spotlight has made him more cautious over the years, I perfer his brother David Limbaugh who is always more tenacious.
Appleby| 2.21.13 @ 7:02AM
Suzy Sorority Cupp is the sort of person the East Coast Gucci Gulch Republicans continue to tell is is Our Only Hope...another person who believes that nothing happened until she was born.
Gary B| 2.21.13 @ 7:12AM
Just proves the point... old fashioned values - freedom, personal responsibility, work and save - are boring to these people. What are the words to the song, "You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone."
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 8:55AM
I think it's: "The Bitch is back".
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:38AM
Yeah, and Misses Rush shops at JC Penney.
Larry E| 2.21.13 @ 7:07AM
Once again, well done Mr. Lord. I have observed this same phenomenon over the last several years with growing alarm.
The cumulative and layered effect of years of careful inculcation through indoctrination (education), entertainment and popular culture has so deeply embedded the liberal perspective within the minds of so many, that the Left's mythology become the posits from which any argument begin … even among those who might call themselves conservative.
This sad state of affairs finds young "conservatives" attempting to wed liberal sensibilities with conservative thought. The resulting bundle of contradictions is not only unsatisfying and untenable ... but it is predictably leftward in its sympathies and worldview.
Worse, these "conservative mavericks" seem to be forever yearning for the approval of those they ostensibly oppose (liberals) and, consequently, find that they enjoy that approval most swiftly by bashing those conservative who've actually contributed to the movements gains and remain true to its tenets.
Larry E| 2.21.13 @ 7:09AM
Like liberals everywhere, these young "conservatives" seem unable to listen and hear, but enamored of the sound of their own voice. Always ready to lecture they seem incapable of reasoned dialogue. They share more than the tangled set of convoluted values and contradictory perspectives of the Left ... they share its disdain for anything which might appear prosaic or provincial.
These young pedants stand forever ready to school movement conservatives in the error of their ways without a shred of proof (indeed, in the face of evidence otherwise) that movement conservatives are wrong or ineffectual. Indeed, history left to tell its own story, is as maligned by these conservatives so called as it is by their peers on the Left. Their ideas are simply right can’t you see?!!! What further proof of their wisdom is required? Isn’t the idealism and zealotry of these young “teachers” prod enough of its inherent correctness?
Nothing is so disdained among this trendy group as is a lack of coolness. Coolness as defined by the Left, that is.
During the last election's primary season I read after and debated some of these young, hip and trendy "conservatives". The candidate they seemed to glom onto had no real cogent, internalized conservative core. He was, largely, a product of the Left ... but packaged carefully by consultants to appear conservative.
Larry E| 2.21.13 @ 7:09AM
His record, past speeches and off the cuff and unrehearsed remarks, though, revealed the real candidate and his hapless political philosophy.
Nevertheless, the young "conservatives" assured us haughtily that this was winning conservatism ... conservatism with heart ... and brains.
Mmm hmmm ... funny how the ineffectual often follows on the heels of the inauthentic, isn't it?
Reagan is the gold standard for a very good and simple reason. He proved overwhelming (though imperfectly to be sure) both the timeless appeal of authentic conservatism as well as its overwhelmingly successful outcomes.
Conservatism doesn't need to be redefined by the hour ... it can, left alone and unmolested (an act utterly beyond the Left who find nothing as terrifying as the truth left to speak for itself and facts unmolested) redefine the hour in a fashion which leaves us all more free, more genuine, more honorable and free ... than any of the silly nostrums of the Left ever has.
Russel| 2.21.13 @ 8:10AM
That's the word Larry - simple . Simplicity is uaually the best solution . Ask ol Kalishnikov or any other inventor . Or Walter E Williams when he explains the Constitution . We get the Founding document and what Fluke was saying - she shone brightly as another panhandler ( a nympho in her case ) who wanted to be paid , by taxpayers . The whole concept of the Constitution has flown way over Cupps head , and it's so simple ! . Or , as Mr. Lord and Larry here have pointed out , maybe she has other ulterior motives . Whatever the case , it's a sad state of affairs they'll be the next generation of movers and shakers .
Russel| 2.21.13 @ 8:20AM
Chris Matthews of whom Rush has spoken of for good reason , used to be at least a Republican . Look how far ge's gone to the dark side . If you can't beat em , join em ? .
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 8:59AM
Actually........Ed Schultz used to be a Republican.
Extra Chromosome Joe used to be a Conservative. And, Rachel Maddow used to look like a Woman.
Go figure.
Cobalt| 2.21.13 @ 10:42AM
"And, Rachel Maddow used to look like a Woman."
Actually, she looks like Eric Roberts (Julia Robert's brother), and while Eric is no saint and has had a troubled past, such a resemblance seems to be grossly unfair to him.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:46PM
You should really find his number, and apologize to him.
Seriously.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 3:20PM
So That was her in The Pope of Greenwich Village?
Rachel "Paulie" Maddow?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 3:40PM
No.
That was her in The Elephant Man.
Cobalt| 2.21.13 @ 3:46PM
To clear up any confusion, one of them might want to have some work done by Bruce Jenner's plastic surgeon.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:25PM
Bob
A great movie. Eddie the BedBug Grant.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:41AM
XCh Joe used to be a Republican. Why did he suddenly decide to retire from the House?
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:13PM
Stop it TLP! your cracking me up! That Maddow line is golden! Golden!
Crassus| 2.21.13 @ 9:43AM
Matthews was always a Democrat. He used to be Tip O'Neill's bag man back in the 1970's. In those days you had to give $5,000 in a plain manilla envelope to get into see O'Neill. Matthews was the aide you gave the money to.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:30PM
Chris Matthews was never a Republican.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:45PM
He was never A Man, either.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:27PM
Tingles' brother is a Republican. Ran for Lt Gov in 2006 in Pa with Lynn Swann, Steelers Hall of Fame receiver, for Gov. First black to run in Pa for Gov. The State Run Media ignored it and endorsed Fast Eddie Rendell.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:23AM
1980 is not today, pal wake up. Cucinnelli is your final test-he looses and your brand of conservative is done. Still demanding to run a Woody Hayes offense in a passing dominated game. 3 yds and a cloud of dust ? More like -3 yds and pile of the snot you keep getting kicked out of you. This babe is a part of the futore for whatever a viable 2nd party will be called. You old farts are headeed for assisted living-please enough. As for Rush, he actually is becoming a bit moderate, if you ask me. I bet he really is not against gay marriage.
Larry E| 2.21.13 @ 9:38AM
Well, busty, you diatribe's intellectual impoverishment is eclipsed only by its puerile crudity. Have you yet applied for work at MSNBC?
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:43AM
If, I got a job there I'd be in jail for beating up comtade Chris. Do not catagorize people you simple minded clod=think outside the box, well make that ice box and see the world in totality. But, you afraid to do that.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:43AM
Is English your second language?
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 4:51PM
His first appears to be street and Hip/hop. Bustun Loose, really? Are you "fixin" to get real, up in here as well.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:31PM
Random incoherent babble is not an argument. Try growing up and learning to talk like an intelligent human being.
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:14PM
Larry... you made my day with that commentary.
Doctor Right| 2.21.13 @ 8:22AM
"C" Cupp and the rest of her friends in this young, supposedly Conservative crowd are, like their counterparts on the left, products of the very shallow era in which they have come of age.
Their intellectual attachment to Conservatism is not very deep. In fact, one wonders what makes them Conservatives at all, unless they have merely attached themselves to the Conservative label in order to build their "brand" (I hate that term) and gain attention.
Narcissism is rampant in our society...and it it anathema with Conservatism.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 9:06AM
We missed you at last week's Contest, although you did get a Prize.
Truce. Treaty. Smoke'em Peace Pipe. Bury the Hatchet in Arnie's stupid head.
You leave me be, and Vice Versa.
We are on the same side, after all.
And, besides...............it was all your fault, anyway.
Peace Out!
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:52PM
Once again, I am glad to hear kind words between two of my friends. :-)
Dr R is, of course, correct on SE's shallowness.
But she'll learn. As with all Conservatives, unfortunately, Pain will be her Teacher. Sounds like a line from a Porn Film financed by FudgePacker Jack, but it's true.
Grzmlyk| 2.21.13 @ 1:07PM
I couldn't agree more, Dr. Right. Cupp only "went conservative" to differentiate herself among the thousands of her fellow identically-thinking liberal arts major clones that are disgorged from colleges every year and then, like termites, quickly infiltrate the edifices of America as activists bent on bringing the structures down to satiate their own bottomless vanity.
She decided to be one of a half dozen or so who choose the far-less traveled, more circuitous path toward Utopia - a slight right turn out of the university before eventually joining her colleagues on the Left Bank.
And it's always very dramatic to document a newly-minteded liberal's journey out of the wilderness, which I'm sure will be the basis of her own MSNBC show within three or four years. Then she'll be free to bash every conservative principle with the same abandon her colleagues do.
Narcissism is indeed the air America breathes today. Unfortunately, it's really carbon monoxide.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:49PM
And it smells like Dirty Diaper.
Appleby| 2.21.13 @ 7:26AM
Children always believe they know best. The unabashed worship of children has been the downfall of modern America.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 8:37AM
“The unabashed worship of children has been the downfall of modern America.”
If the Left really worshipped children, they wouldn’t promote the killing of over of a million babies per year. Had you written “The unabashed worship of
childrenyouth has been the downfall of the modernAmericaworld”, I ‘d think you were on to a greater truth.TLP| 2.21.13 @ 9:21AM
It's not that they "Worship" them.
It's that they're Too Lazy to do the things that need to be done, if you wanna raise'em right.
These are the same people who Pay Someone to Walk their Dog. And keep their Dog in a Cage when it's in the House.
My kids BEHAVE. And I take my Stupid Dog on all the Jobs, and he's never Tied. And he's never Leashed when I take him for a Walk. (unlike my Wife) Even when we go downtown.
We had a Lost Generation of kids, not that long ago, because the Department of Education and the Teachers Unions, decided that it was Too Hard, and they weren't getting Paid Enough, to actually TEACH that 2+2=4. It was just easier to give them Partial Credit for getting it Wrong. Which is why all the High Paying High Tech Jobs are going to people who Worship Cows, and think that Hop Sing was the Real Star of Bonanza.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 9:46AM
It is not that it was too hard for them to teach basic math skills, but that there was no time left to do it after explaining why Heather Has Two Mommies, how to get the condom out of the wrapper and onto the cucumber without tearing it, and how Al Gore was going to save the polar bears that George W Bush, Dick Cheney and evil multinational oil companies were conspiring to drown with Global Warming.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:41AM
You left out: How your Girlfriend can put a condom on you, with No Hands.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 11:51AM
I think that is an extra credit assignment, as opposed to the regular syllabus.
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 4:54PM
According to many news stories that appeares to be a after school with the teacher, class assignment.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:03AM
This child is well educated, authored 3 or more books and is a highly accomplished ballet dancer. Just 33 or so . Seriously this is not some lazy shallow slacker.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:45AM
Cupp is not a slacker but she is lazy, shallow and uninformed.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:32PM
She is indeed intellectually lazy and shallow, as Lord demonstrated. "Well educated"? Try historically illiterate.
Crassus| 2.21.13 @ 2:07PM
Busty, my sister is a highly accomplished ballet dancer but like, S.E. Cupp, she knows nothing about politics. The point is that being a highly accomplished ballet dancer means nothing and should not be used in your argument.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.21.13 @ 7:38AM
It's okay to disagree with Rush, or think that Lincoln may have made some mistakes, or that Reagan could have done this or that better.
But these disagreements are disagreements among friends -- people on the same side. There's another type of disagreement, wherein you hold someone up to ridicule, or attempt to marginalize that person, in order to make oneself look better in front of a favored group. The latter is what SE Cupp is doing, and we can call her sort of criticism -- the Judas principle.
There seems to be a mindset out there among some Republicans that it is better to have the praise of liberals than of God.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 8:07AM
Well said. The easiest way for the Cupps, Brooks, Frum, Scarborough, etc to get approval and ink from the State Run Media is to attack Rush, Palin, Atwater, Reagan, and any true conservative. Next they will attack Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 9:23AM
They're Printing the JEB2016 as we speak.
Von Mises Jr| 2.21.13 @ 9:03AM
I agree Vern. As an economics geek, I understood the monetizing of the debt with QE3 and QE4 printing $85B per month that is largely buying up our trillion dollar deficits.
A caller a couple days ago pointed out how ridiculous it is for Obama and Boehner to be in a panic over $85B in the Sequestration when we print that every month. Our M2 went from $3T to $9T in the last five years (Schiff) and we are pumping $1T more in perpetuity. Rush did not apparently know this. But yesterday, he had learned the facts and now making the same point.
Gold and silver dropped yesterday when the Fed said they were concerned about Quantitative Easing going forward. So my reaction would be to buy gold and silver since we cannot stop printing since China will no longer buy our debt. If Foster Brooks Bernanke stops printing, we can't sell Bonds to cover the spending. And if he did, we would crash hard. Either way, gold and silver seem to be a big winner longer term.
But just as Rush is not Lew Lerhman on monetary policy, Lew is not the top radio voice in history.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 9:27AM
We are now caught between and rock and a hard place. Just as Europe opined a few days ago that further austerity measures (they haven't even begun) would lead to civil unrest, the Feds' concerns about future quantitative easing means serious austerity for the reasons you stated above.
How much "austerity" can this country take without causing civil unrest? We are about to get nice little preview when the Detroit debacle comes to a head in the next month or two.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 9:43AM
An Economic Geek?
I always knew you were a Geek, but I never guessed it was Economic in Nature.
Philosophical Geekness? Yeah.
"The Big Bang is my Favourite Show" Geekness? Maybe.
"I'll be over after I watch The McGlaughlin Group that I Tivoed" Geekness? Absolutely.
I can't decide if you're an Enigma? A Conundrum? Or a Parallelogram.
But, if what you're saying is true? And, Ben Don'tspankme, over at The Fed, is Printing $85 Billion a Month? Then what's the Deal with Airline Food? And, why do they call it Homework? You're not working on your Home.
All the thing we do and say about this stuff, are Moot.
Obama is doing his Cloward and Piven Kabuki Dance with Total Impunity, because everyone in the Main Stream Media is Chris Mathews, now. Even the "So-Called" Republicans.
They may not get a Thrill up their Leg?
But "it" definately "moves" when Bathhouse Boy is moving his lips.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 9:51AM
“But ‘it definately ‘moves’ when Bathhouse Boy is moving his lips.”
I thought that was the Mackinaw Peaches (though in the referenced case it is probably the male masseuse).
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:44AM
Actually, if you really wanna know?
It was the MANGO.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:45AM
And, the Male Massuese.
Tom Kyba| 2.21.13 @ 12:17PM
Dump on rush, get noticed by the MSM. Get invited to bash other conservatives on tv. Case closed.
Hardcard| 2.21.13 @ 8:34AM
S.E.Cupp is a product of Glenn Beck. She appears nightly on his 6 PM,"Real News Show" as some kind of commentator in a discussion panel. Ms. Cupp is an attractive, young talking head (her head is mostly empty) trying to break into big time news. On this past Tuesday's show she wore an open to the waist hot pink blouse showing plenty of skin, and boobs, she's attempting to attract attention to herself in an effort of self promotion to attract the network moguls for more $$$$$ ala katie couric. I think she's too old for a gig with boob mennedez's staff, she'd be a good fit for 60 minutes, leslie stahl has had more surgery than pelosi and is about to self-destruct. Glenn Beck has been out front on many issues, that's why I support him and subscribe to his network, but he makes mistakes, he has too many irons in the fire, this chick and her co-panelist on the show, Will Cain are two of Mr. Beck's mistakes.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 9:58AM
There was a "Head shot" of her in Mr. Flynt's wonderful contribution to the Various Questions that young men always have, right around Puberty.
Perhaps Miss A Cupp is trying out for the "Full Spread" next time.
And, what's that ya say? Glenn Beck makes mistakes?
That Bast*rd.
I'm with Hardcard. I too, will never listen to him, again.
A guy who makes mistakes?
It's Un American!
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:42AM
Always say Larry Flynt, the famous democrat, who Bill Clinton invited to sleep in the Whitehouse. Wonder if her shared the Lincoln bedroom with hustler honey.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:47AM
You spelled "Homey" wrong.
Anthony| 2.21.13 @ 9:03AM
Oh well, I don't know much about Miss Cupp, and probably won't. Madam Cupp's conservative cup doth not spillith over. Clearly the woman has about the same testosterone level as John Boehner.
She obsesses with the narrative of the left and plays into their hands. So what if Limbaugh called Fluke a slut. I listened that day and the comment was quite proper given the context Limbaugh set the comment in. And Fluke proceeded to demonstrate that she was and is in fact a radical feminist leftist hack.
What Ms. Cupp and friends should be doing is exposing Obozo's dereliction of duty in Benghazi, along with Clinton's.
What Ms. Cupp should be doing is asking why Obozo needs to lay off 700,000 Pentagon employees, but not one pencil pusher from EPA, Labor, Education, and thousands of other nameless bureaucracies we don't even know EXIST!!
Wake the hell up girl, we don't need another John Boehner in drag.
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 9:20AM
Are all of you living in the past? Cupp is a MAINSTREAM example of the younger voter and exemplifies the demographic changes that are occuring in this country. She understands the younger conservative who is stronger on fiscal issues and more liberal on social issues. I know most of you don't "believe" in evolution, but this process occurs. Blacks and women gained the vote and increasingly, homosexuals are allowed the liberty to live their lives as they wish. Competition is now global and capital investments no longer help the U.S. economy as much as the economies in Asia. Tax cuts send capital to tax havens rather than being reinvested in the U.S. Lord, Rush, and most of you are living in the past -- that's why you were suprised at the results of the last election. Tea Party people are old and old Republicans are dying off. Minorities, who are potential fiscal conservatives, are being turned off by the ultra right wing adherents of the party.
The country is being hurt by all of you old fogies who won't evolve. You can't use Reagan anymore -- the young really don't know who he was. He was simply a President in the last century. Because of gerrymandering (and only gerrymandering), Republicans will continue to hold the House for the next few years. But this is a longer term trend and if you won't evolve, you'll lose. And the country will also lose as no one credible will support true fiscal conservatism.
Larry E| 2.21.13 @ 9:24AM
Fiscal ... you underscore Mr. Lord's point extravagantly. Now ... go do your homework.
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 10:45AM
It looks like you and Lord are the ones who misinterpret and restate history. While I think Reagan was a good President and presented some strong conservative beliefs, his reign was not that strong economically -- even as stated by his economic advisers. He raised the debt more than any other President before him and had 11 tax increases to pay for his really large government growth. It's not what you say, it is what you do that counts.
You prove the point that neither you or Lord understand history.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:50AM
Sorry Fiscal but you are clueless.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:56PM
Yeah, he wasn't that Strong Economically.
In fact, as I remember it?
Everybody was Pining for The Good Olde Days of Jimmy Misery Index.
Idiot.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:31PM
" his reign was not that strong economically "
That is the stupidest comment ever posted here, which is saying a lot given the purps here.
You must be reading David Stockman, the traitor.
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:38PM
Fiscal... presidents don't raise taxes, Congress does that and both houses were run by the socialist democrats during both his terms. He agreed to tax increases along with spending cuts, but the democrats never delivered on the cuts... deja vu anybody?
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:55PM
Fiscal: I went through high school in the Carter era, and college/med school in the Reagan one. Reagan was FANTASTIC for this country both domestically and in foreign policy. Especially economically.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.21.13 @ 9:30AM
Yes, we are "evolving" our way into economic, moral, cultural and political oblivion. Conservative on fiscal issues and liberal on social issues is just country club Republicanism. That shows just how cutting edge these young, new "conservatives" are -- pining for the country club!
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 1:58PM
I think that he's just confusing "Evolving" with Devolving.
Idiots do that all the time.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 9:33AM
"Minorities, who are potential fiscal conservatives,"
EXAMPLES PLEASE!!!!!!
NOW!!!!!
You kinda had up until this absurd statement.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:50AM
Talk to some young kids of color who work in the grocery store or the fast food place even non citizens who work on landscape crews. You'll see it. But, it takes time. Bottom line if they work in private sector they should be GOP-not right wing hardons-GOP.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 9:52AM
Giving hard truths does not mean being a "right wing hardon-GOP". Whatever that means.
With all due respect, grow up!
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 9:58AM
So, Bust, you're basically saying they like the GOP message but hate the messenger (old, out-of-touch white guys) so they vote EN MASSE for obama, a SOCIALIST! ??
How pathetic!....How illogical!....How immature!...
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:00AM
How ya doin?
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:19AM
Nobody said they like the GOP message. This is the problem. They only get GOP from sources that hate us and they confuse on purpose GOP message with the right wing hard on message-social issues-gay marriage more than abortion I'd say, and hatred of poor people. The reality is that if they work in private sector and want to work and get ahead we are by far their best hope. They have no clue Obama and dems are socialist-can't you understand. They hear socialist and they equate it with help for the truly needy, tolerance for gays and some pragmatism about abortion. They will learn thru reality that taxes and loss of liberty are their future. But, we do nothinit seems to them but spit at them and their family members who often do need guv assistence. But, they do work-I am talking about the workers-hour after hour at the cash register or putting orders together at the take out-These folks are reachable and you people are so vain and arrogant that you can't admit that part of not reacing them is your own intellectual, human and other flaws and failures.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 10:41AM
"These folks are reachable and you people are so vain and arrogant that you can't admit that part of not reacing them is your own intellectual, human and other flaws and failures."
I'm no psychiatrist but it sounds like you are projecting.
Bust, are these YOUR beliefs as well?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:50AM
He keeps spelling "GOD" wrong.
What is he?
An Idiot?
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:52AM
I wonder if busty is a new variety of troll...
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:00PM
No.
He's the same as the rest of'em.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:37PM
You increasingly smell like a Moby troll.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:37PM
You increasingly smell like a Moby troll.
SUBVET| 2.21.13 @ 10:35AM
Tim.........why is it when they use the term non-citizens it's always on a landscape crew ?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:49AM
And, not just any Landscape Crew.
They use it on the one Doing Their Yard.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:34AM
You right. To me anyone who works, especially in private sector, or wants to work, should be GOP. The big Guv is saying you must be our beast of burden. But, sadly Rush, Inc. can't reach them. None of them and you reach these people-sorrry you do not connect. Jidl Rubio, even Jeb do. Palin knows how to reach as well, but her right wing extremism and wise ass nastiness(so to Ted Cruz) stiffle her. I predict by May1st our Teddy will have his Akin moment. And, you dopes will cheer him on.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 9:47AM
Simple question, loose:
How do you connect with these people without relinquishing conservative principles?
How much coddling and hand holding is required to "reach out" to the GOP toddlers?
Here's how it will play out, sir. Either GOP toddlers will learn by listening to (((gasp!!!!, the GOP Elders))) or they'll learn from the Fiscal/Monetary Calamity headed our way.
There's really no option C.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:28AM
You can keep your con principles Nobody in the GOP that can win will take them away. But, you must accept those who do not totally agree- But, please what are your principles on the poor and helping them here and now. I know these kids do not like the cheating. They rag on their friends and siblings who are too lazy to work and want them to pay their way for them when they go out. Do you not believe abortion abortion is a fact of life now ? Do you really want to lose it all over it ? Must we keep banging our heads against the wall-demanding the GOP must push for a cost ammendment banning it ? These kids, some at least, would not get one-and are not gonna get pregnant.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:36PM
"Do you not believe abortion abortion is a fact of life now ?"
No, we don't, and neither should you. Moreover, the younger generation (those under 30) are actually by a narrow margin majority pro-life.
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 5:09PM
So if you say the younger generation tune out the conservatives and you suggest they turn on the moderate GOP, just what are they getting but just a little less of the Democrat.
On one hand you say they are intellectual enough to figure out they should go GOP, but not smart enough to figure out that the GOP has become Democrat Light?
Last I checked no one on the GOP or conservative side was running on a overturning Roe VS Wade platform. There have been a few that stated they are pro-life but thought it should be up to the states to decide.
You're arguments are a little inconsistent.
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 9:42AM
Evolve.
That is exactly what they want you to do, sonny boy.
Evolve. When your an old foggie, as you put it, there will be some other little idiot that will be lecturing you that does not have a clue or any sense of history or perspective. You will to no avail try to ram it into his skull that he just does not get it and is being played. Yes, this longer term trend you mention did not start with you nor did history begin clocking after 1990.
That fiscal conservatism thing you are currently in love with so much will be put under the same pressure to evolve as well. Got some news for you, this fight has been going on for centuries, none of these issues are new, none of these so called changes have not occurred before, none of it is permanent. Christianity came along in a world that was very liberal on the social issues and very progressive on government handouts, bread circuses, borrowing, and a whole host of 'progressive' ideas that were the rage.
Yes, do your homework, particularly the history books.
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 9:58AM
Oh and by the way, we got into this position because we have 'evolved', that is the problem. There have been plenty before your scawny ass showed up that evolved. Throughout the last century there were generation after generation of idiots like yourself that proclaimed, evolve or die. There will be more. Progressives and Socialist are counting on you, that is why they are always talking about political incrementalism. It is always a slow drip and a slow rise in temperature change. Anything else might wake the frog up and alert him to what is actually going on and where he is headed. Would you like a salad with those frog legs, sir?
Just for the record conservatism does not oppose social, political, or economic change. It opposes changes that threaten the very foundations of society, change that conflicts with self evident truths and our constitution, and change that conflicts with nature and the natural order.
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 10:09AM
The real issue here is not change, old foggies, and all the other simple minded crap that Cupp and yourself promote. THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS...Drum roll please...
Allowing a small minority of people who agitate in a society to define what is right, wrong, acceptable, normal, politically correct, and moral at the expense, forced intimidation, and silencing of the majority. It is allowing this group to dictate ad infinitum and without debate or consent where a society shall evolve and giving this group absolute authority to impose it on everyone else through manipulation of the law, our education system and government.
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 10:40AM
I am an old fogie, fella, well into Social Security, retirement, and Medicare... You and the others here have no sense of historical evolution. You think what worked in the 50's and 80's will work here. You've lost the lessons that history teaches.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:10PM
What worked in the 50's and the 80's WILL still work.
We just don't have anyone who has the Guts to get it done.
Do you honestly believe that anyone, today, would Fire all of the Air Traffic Controllers, if they went on Strike?
Would anyone lower the Income Tax Rate from around 90% to 36%?
Do you think that we can have a 600 Ship Navy, today?
We can't even Cut $10 from a $3.6 Trillion Dollar Budget, even though WE KNOW that we have to Cut Spending, or Implode, Economically.
Why don't you Drop Dead, and stop being a burden on the rest of us?
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 5:15PM
Oh, we have a great deal of sense concerning historical evolution and so did Karl Marx and Hegel who called it dialectical. You are right in step with them. The idea itself that history is evolutionary and social and political structures are as well is pure Left wing philosophy tracing back several centuries. That in itself reveals that you are not a conservative nor a classical liberal for that matter. You also, by the way, did not refute or address a single point or argument that I presented. Your response was typical liberal.
JP| 2.21.13 @ 11:32AM
"Christianity came along in a world that was very liberal on the social issues and very progressive on government handouts, bread circuses, borrowing, and a whole host of 'progressive' ideas that were the rage."
Wow, I didn't know that the Roman Empire and adjacent pagan lands were so liberal. Learn something new everyday.
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 5:00PM
They did not call it liberalism in that day. Homosexuality was acceptable and even celebrated by the Greeks, pedophilia the rage of the day, free love was being preached by some idiot philosopher that even Caesars daughter started to follow. The philosopher was eventual banned. The use of marijuana was common as a recreation drug; getting stoned and drunk was worshiped. The government eventually began borrowing at massive levels to sustain the empire. It eventually began, and sustained until it collapsed, a sizable welfare state. Mercenaries were used to fight its wars as the population no longer volunteered or cared to fight for it. Abortion and throwing unwanted babies onto dumps to die was considered just peachy. Violence and fornication with everything that moves was entertainment. See any similarities?
George S| 2.21.13 @ 11:36AM
Some people do not want to evolve into serfs.
If tax cuts are bad because they "send capital to tax havens", then what is your definition of 'strong fiscal issues'? More taxes?
How can you be strong on fiscal issues AND be liberal on social issues? Can you be hip to social issues without taxing private property to sustain those social issues?
Is an example of social issues acceptance of homosexuality and abortion? Those two things rape the fundamental Judeo-Chirstian values. Since those values are the foundation of natural law (and have been for every democratic republic), how can you square the two as conservative? Once you remove God from the equation in a civil society, then that society crumbles. The reason a normal person does not murder another is not because he is afraid of going to jail but because he's terrified of God's wrath in the afterlife. Remove God and what stops you, morally, from killing? Hello abortion and its rationalization. Hello death panels and their rationalization. You see, being liberal on social issues cannot ever be congruent with conservatism.
Face it. You are a liberal.
Tom Kyba| 2.21.13 @ 12:21PM
Non sequitur:
1. A statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:34PM
Thanks for confirming that Cupp -- and you -- are exactly as shallow and ignorant as Lord suggested you were.
Bob K| 2.21.13 @ 6:39PM
Give us a break, OK!
We have been hearing that "strong on fiscal issues and weak on social issues" crap for decades while all those young people over those years evolved into "old fogies" and nothing changed. And it's going to continue that way because it is human nature.
It's become a mantra for the pseudo-smart; a substitute for thought by people who never grew up and think they won't grow old!
Sixgun| 2.21.13 @ 7:41PM
Fiscal... so when are you going to invite the pedophiles, polygamists, animal bonkers, et al to the party? Where do you draw the line on morality? If practicing sodomy is liberty in action, why wouldn't the above deviants be able to practice their craft as well?
delahaya| 2.21.13 @ 9:21AM
Cupp is ignorant or not very intelligent or both. She only has "standing" because liberals like to use her for these kinds of comments. She is the very personification of a shallow lightweight. The narcissism among her little "brat pack" is breathtaking.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 11:59AM
Cupp is using gimmicks with the hope that somehow she will be propelled to the top of the media class. She wants to be a Peggy Noonan, etc.--a sensible Republican. Ooohhh, an attack on Rush will give her bona fides AND attention. Smart move, Cupp.
Simon Templar| 2.21.13 @ 9:27AM
'maybe that’ll give other Republicans cover'
This statement of her's pretty much sums it all up.
Cover? Your greatest concern and focus is cover?
Cover from what? Not only does this show a defensive position but it also demonstrates weakness and stupidity.
When your being shelled constantly you determine the enemy's position and location and you shell and fire back with everything you got. Really stupid, you do not attempt to take out the only force that is firing back and actually giving you cover so as to distract them and hit them from another direction and advance your troops.
Yeah, run for cover, Ms. Cupp. Pathetic.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 10:10AM
My thoughts exactly when I read that sentence. She reminds of obama who just LOOOOves to pick off a few republicans for "cover" to justify some Big Government action.
You shouldn't need "cover" if you have sound principles.
Coward Robert Ford| 2.21.13 @ 9:28AM
Cupp wrote a column a few months ago bashing Grover Norquist anti-tax pledge which is quote fashionable among liberal Republicans. She pretends like she doesn't support new taxes but then goes on to say supporting new taxes is "grown up" position because we must balance our budgets. Her premise seemed to be that we are undertaxed and lack of tax revenue is why we have such huge deficits, which isn't a conservative viewpoint. She gets real defensive about people calling her a sellout on her attacks on Rush but her positon on taxes and tax pledges are anything but conservative.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 9:37AM
Did not Grover kinda go back on the pledge ?
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:04AM
Now, is Grover the name of The Cookie Monster?
Or, the Guy in the Garbage Can?
I can never remember who's who, on that Stupid Show.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:37AM
He was a president. Named after some city. I think it was Chatanooga. Bet thant ain't spelt right.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 10:52AM
Yoo spelt "spelt" Rong.
SUBVET| 2.21.13 @ 10:38AM
I think it was a milk carton.........
Coward Robert Ford| 2.21.13 @ 9:30AM
I think she gets ridiculed all the time for her association with Glenn Beck and so she wants to distance herself from him but she still wants to get paid by him. So she did the next best thing and attacked Rush. In my mind it's extremely hypocritical she would attack Rush while getting paid by Beck considering the "crazy" label is much easier to stick Beck with.
Crassus| 2.21.13 @ 9:48AM
S. E. Cupp must be able to suck a tennis ball through a garden hose. How else would she get any work?
JP| 2.21.13 @ 11:31AM
There was a conservative pundit who attended a CPAC conference a few years ago. She noticed that most of the young females were dressed like hookers, and that their biggest goal that week was "hooking up". Case closed.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 12:01PM
Now that is too funny!!
M Carlisle| 2.21.13 @ 9:56AM
I wonder if Glenn will continue to employ her. If it were my decision, I would not. Rush is clearly not the problem here.
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:31AM
Johny one note media and education-that is the American way by cracky !
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 11:19AM
Public School much?
Shery| 2.21.13 @ 10:00AM
Amen! I commented on another article yesterday, on another site, about S.E.Cupp. She is becoming the newest Kathleen Parker, et all, who want the adulation of the left for their being "open-minded". Somehow these new techies are ignoring the real statistics that show republicans winning huge when they run as true conservatives. Conservative is not a throw around term, something to be a little different than the left. It either means something or we might as well do away with the other parties and all join the democrats. While there are some who do not espouse all our conservative values, but opt for the small government aspect only, they have been in the republican party for some time now. What many don't understand is that Reagan's 3-legged stool is really what true conservatism represents. Cupp advocates throwing out the moral aspect of it. But she does not realize that it is the most important aspect of it. Throw it out and soon the rest morphs quickly into various forms of leftist ideology because it is no longer rooted in values that have any basis on their own.
Russel| 2.21.13 @ 10:32AM
Leggy Nooner is the one wins the jump-ship contest .
bustunloose| 2.21.13 @ 10:35AM
People who realize that abortion is part of our reality and that gays will be marrying are not less moral than you. And, speaking of morality-what about helping the poor ? They think we the GOP hate them. What say you ?
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 10:50AM
The people here do not understand fiscal conservatism nor do they understand historical evolution. They don't comprehend how blacks becoming free was historical evolution. They don't comprehend how women gaining the vote was historical evolution. They don't comprehend how moving from an agrarian structure to an urban structure increased the need for specialization and collective governmental services. They don't comprehend how the capital gains tax doesn't work like it used to because of globalization. They don't comprehend how trying to legislate their religious beliefs steps on our liberty. They are living in the past and until they evolve, the party is in trouble and so is fiscal conservatism.
George S| 2.21.13 @ 11:52AM
People do not understand that slavery was never incorporated into the Constitution. People do not understand that an agrarian structure was the norm for centuries until the freedoms enshrined by the Constitution enabled free men to engage in the endeavor to improve society by free market innovations -- which was a first in human history. They do not comprehend that capital gains taxes have nothing to do with a free society because those taxes punish risk in search of wealth creation and has absolutely nothing to do wih globalization (whatever that means -- what difference does it make where you live? We all share -- isn't that the heart of the hip social issue of undocumented worker amnesty?). They do not comprehend that the only ones legislating religious beliefs are the Obama administration to further the hip social issue of casual sex and its profligation, thereby stepping on the beliefs of Christians.
You are not evolved. You just plain look down upon others... a liberal.
Woodrow| 2.21.13 @ 2:13PM
Wel said, George S.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:39PM
You're not only utterly wrong, but clearly know nothing about conservatives and conservative views. You're promoting liberal views, in fact.
Bob K| 2.21.13 @ 6:55PM
Fiscal:
You are wrong.
History doesn't evolve. It moves on. It's not too late to educate yourself. Get a couple of Professor John Lukacs's books. I recommend "A New Republic: A History of the United States in the 20th Century," and "Democracy and Populism--Fear and Hatred."
It has been the forces of Democracy, Nationalism, Populism and Socialism that have caused the changes we have seen in the world in the last 2 centuries and they will continue to cause unpredictable changes.
Only progressives, steeped in the determinism that was dominant in the early and middle part of the 20th century attribute these changes to "evolution."
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:38PM
Anyone who thinks infanticide is "part of our reality" is DEFINITELY less moral than me. And your statements increasingly prove you to be a Moby troll.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.21.13 @ 3:17PM
Dittos Rob...
Derek Leaberry| 2.21.13 @ 10:50AM
SE Cupp is about as relevant to conservatism Jay-Zee is to music.
loulou| 2.21.13 @ 12:03PM
Good one. Truth be told, she is a non-entity.
nathan| 2.21.13 @ 11:03AM
Many of you are going to be delighted because I'm going to hopefully make this my last comment here. We're all repeating ourselves anyway, myself included and it's pointless to keep doing this. So I'm going to do my best to keep myself from being provoked any more. It's a losing effort anyway.
That said, Rush calls himself the doctor of democracy. The form of government Madison called most vile. A real "conservative" position. His impact on "conservatism"? Who knows. What he really did, and will more likely be known for is reviving AM radio and the talk format. Give him so love for that, but otherwise, you can't really take him or Sean or Mark all that seriously. Rush has said over the years that his goal is get the biggest audience possible to charge the biggest ad rates possible. Take him at his word.
Let me submit this and make one more comment and I should be done.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 11:18AM
Don't go away mad. Just go away.
nathan| 2.21.13 @ 11:19AM
As I look back over the last few months, my conclusion, sadly, is that there are few if any real "conservatives" here. What I see a lot of is "situational ethics" "good intentions" nonsense. "Conservatives" complain about the this guy ignoring the Constitution, the threat to civil liberties, all that. Well if you are one those complaining but said nothing when Bush indefinitely detained Padilla under conditions that violated his Eighth Amendment rights, then you are being a hypocrit. Sit down please. Deficit. If you said nothing, didn't write your congressman regarding Plan D, the bailouts all that during Bush, sit down please. You're a hypocrit too. If you supported and defended "enhanced interrogation" have a seat also folks. John Conroy in Unspeakable Acts interviewed people abroad who tortured people again & again, use electric shock? No, do the water stuff, sensation of drowning, FAR more effective. Those guys knew it was torture, why don't the rest of you, why do you still defend it? And they all admit they got no actionable information from any of it. You support stuff that violated our principles and got us NOTHING in return. Again have a seat.
Don't criticize this guy if you were were silent with his predecessor. They were both the same. Both just as bad. The intentions didn't matter. Based on actions there was literally nothing to choose from.
I leave you all with that. And understand because we don't understand this we're in deep trouble. CYA
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 11:31AM
The problem, sir, is that obama campaigned against each one of those actions you've described, and he's intensified each one.
Most conservatives are in favor of enhanced interrogation (safe and rare, the exact position abortionists from the left take) if it achieves a greater good, i.e., saving thousands of lives. Don't be an idiot.
There are degrees of hypocrisy, and time and time again THIS PRESIDENT demonstrates there is no limit.
See ya. Wouldn't wanna be ya.
Al Adab| 2.21.13 @ 11:47AM
Difficult to find a place to jump into this conversation today. Nonetheless, this discussion represents nothing less than a great learning opportunity for Conservatives of all stripes.
Witness the self destruction we reaped during the primaries last year. One after another Conservative candidates were destroyed by, in many cases, other conservatives who found one or another position unacceptable. As a result, the accommodationist "moderate" got the nomination.
What we need to recognize whether we are Paleo-cons, neo-cons, movement cons, fiscal cons, social cons, libertarians or whatever is that unless we unite on the goal of taking back control of the GOP we have no hope of creating anything even resembling a Conservative administration ever again.
This is not to suggest that our differences are not real but it is to state that the ultimate future of limited government and the rule of law depends upon our ability to fuse our interests to the larger good. If we continue to spend our energy fighting each other instead of the common enemy, failure is the only future we have.
Bob Grant: If I said Daily Courier to you what would you reply?
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 12:01PM
It's either a small newspaper in Oregon or the name of former tennis star Jim Courier's blog site.
Was that the Daily Double, Alex?
Al Adab| 2.21.13 @ 1:12PM
We have a fellow who blogs our local paper with the name Bob Grant. Thanks.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:14PM
He'd say it was the guy he gets his Drugs from.
nathan| 2.21.13 @ 2:20PM
Sir: I'm laughing, sighing and so much more all at the same time. "Safe, rare, if it achieves a greater good, saving thousands of lives"? As Dick Vitale says, "ARE YOU SERIOUS?" I mean really sir. The problem: it wasn't safe, rare, it made so many more enemies that far from saving lives, it cost additional ones. You cannot, cannot cite a credible source that says we got any meaningful actionable intelligence. McCoy in his book talked about Israel where this nonsense is widespread and a reporter asked, has torture saved a single life, stopped a single attack? Answer? NO. The same for us. Read Conroy's book, read McCoy's book, read Ghost Plane and then tell honestly write the same sentence you just did.
But that's the problem right? None of you read anything. None of you. TLP never cites a single book he reads on any of this.I cite source after source, book after book. What do you YOU cite sir? Cheney? Like he's credible. I quote Madison constantly. Name a Founder TLP or any of you ever cite. Just one please. Now tell me please, who is the conservative here. I've said repeatedly that I don't tolerate variations from the Constitution or the Founders FROM EITHER side. For so many of you here torture these people IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE. Well why aren't you gun controllers? They say the same thing. Tell me the difference between you and them. The difference between me and you is that I reject that across the board.
No wonder why "conservtism" is in such disarray.
nathan| 2.21.13 @ 2:31PM
What we see here, and trust me it's widespread is that again "conservatism" is in serious trouble, not that is wasn't before. I mean WFB? Serious issues there. Consider again if you will, five count them five republican presidents since FDR, including Reagan and yet none of you, not one of you can name any significant domestic policies they enacted, any signficant reversals of the New Deal, Great Society they did. With Reagan we should have been tipped off by his reign in CA. He signed a gun control bill there. Note, he did nothing to roll back gun control during his tenure. Neither did Thatcher by way. That ever cause you to pause for a moment? She had an absolute majority in parliament and yet didn't do anything for gun owners. Conservative? Really? No, republican presidents were all obsessed with the great abroad. And when did anything if at all domestically it was to buy off the electorate with more goodies. Ryan, Newt? Both supported Plan D. Why pay attention to them?
We have at most maybe one more election to get this right. ONE MORE. At the very least, Rove, get lost, anything remotely like McCain/Romney? CYA. But who is leading in the polls today? Christy. Really? What has HE done for gun owners folks? Zero. He gets the nomination we're finished.
Louis Jenkins| 2.21.13 @ 4:35PM
Maybe because he got shot?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 5:38PM
nathan| 2.21.13 @ 11:03AM
Many of you are going to be delighted because I'm going to hopefully make this my last comment here…
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 12:37PM
Somehow, I have a feeling that you'll be back …
(As Jeff Goldblum said in the role of Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park, having predicted disaster would result from bringing dinosaurs back, while being chased by the T-Rex):I hate being right all the time.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 7:28PM
What's with this Nathan guy? What, is he some Bruce Springsteen of the blogosphere?
He needs 8 encores before he leaves the building?
He's killing me here!
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:01PM
3 guys waterboarded, including KSM, whose intelligence saved many people. I believe he gave detail on the Heathrow-US plane bomb attempt.
Nathan, your arguments are worthless. Thanks. You have an "anti-torture" perspective but support the bombing of Hiroshima. (For the record, I support both waterboarding and nuking Japan in '45.)
Your arguments make no sense and hold not together. Good bye.
nathan| 2.22.13 @ 1:03PM
It's Friday so I'll cut myself a "little" slack here.
Three? Really? You honestly believe that? Based exactly on what sir? Cheney? Please. Once again try actually READING a few books once in awhile. McCoy makes it clear we tortured WAY more people than that. And no, I've read any number of reports available in the media that virtually everything KSM gave was already out there. I remember one report clearly stated he gave those interrogators stuff he had given in interviews. But beyond that he was telling them stuff that based on timelines he couldn't possibly have been involved in. But consider this sir. Say Col West had been subjected to EXACTLY what KSM had been subjected to, in EVERY detail, and the people doing it gave EXACTLY same reasons for doing it. Now we catch those people. Do we say fine, let them go it's not torture, or do we throw their asses in Abu Ghraib? If you answer honestly sir, you say, war crime trial, throw their ass in jail. And you see if it's a crime for them to do it to us, it's equally a crime for us to do it to ANYONE FOR ANY REASON. Got that. Screw the good intention. Conroy is so right though. Torture is what others do to you, not what you do to others.
Oh please as I said Hastings made it clear in Bomber Command that area bombing was questionable even when it was being done. But understand too sir, we are not bound by the past. Read Conroy's book.
nathan| 2.22.13 @ 1:16PM
Again, read a few books once in awhile, Conroy, McCoy, you might actually learn something. But understand too, I get that we have not always in the past abided by our principles. Does that mean we have to go on misbehaving? Conservatives" have to decide who they are and what they stand for. But understand and be clear on this, what you all are defending DOESN'T work. And it makes so many enemies that we end up with far more deaths than we start with. There are ways to get information that don't compromise who we are. Read Matthew Alexander's book. Read about the Luftwaffe interrogation center. Read about our own unit in the Pacific. That unit without touching ANYONE got one detainee telling them our codes were broken. That's success, not this nonsense. People in pain, subject to the sensation of drowning, all that will literally say anything. You and everyone else have to understand once and for all "24" is TV not real life. West got NOTHING with his totally illegal fake execution. Defending torture in any form is not a "conservative" position. Advocating genocide like a few people do here, is NOT "conservatism" in any way shape or form. Again sir, cite any Founder that supports your position. You want to throw Jackson at me, I'll throw the 1866 Supreme Court ruling at you. And about a dozen Madison quotes too. Now again who is the conservative here? It's not most of you.
nathan| 2.22.13 @ 1:30PM
And understand too ONE FINAL BLOODY TIME the vast majority of the people being abused are INNOCENT people. Read "Fear UP Harsh" by an interrogator who served in Iraq. (I know here I go throwing another source book at your, how RUDE of me.) He makes it clear that most everyone abused had nothing of value to tell anyone. McCoy makes this abundantly clear, most everyone at Abu Ghraib didn't belong there and yet they were abused anyway. Same at Gitmo. We see this with the British in N. Ireland, us in Vietnam. The pattern repeats itself over and over and over and over again. The policy you defend is one where innocent people get abused over and over again. I thought consevatism was about defending innocent people no matter where they are. Again cite me a quote from ANY Founder that agrees with you. Paine said that to preserve our rights we have to defend the rights of those we hate. I see none of that here. What really makes most any of you any different than the liberals you attack? Is your affinity for the Constitution much more than theirs?
And again that's the problem. For most everyone in this country, people love the Constitution until THEY don't love it until it gets in the way of THEIR good intentions. And then as Cheney said, his boss was above the document and most all of you went with him, said nothing. And you wonder now why this guy acts like he does. Bush set the foundation for his successor. Now with that I really am done. Goodbye and good luck
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:38PM
I thought your were leaving, Abdul-nathan.
You can now concentrate on counselling KSM, Padilla, and the rest of those innocent human rights victims.
You have nothing to offer except your delusion that KSM was "tortured."
George S| 2.21.13 @ 12:03PM
No one is ragging on you. The point is that everyone somehow wants to be known as conservative (even the most liberal politicians a month before an election speak Reaganese) and they think they know better than everyone what that definition is.
You know what it means to be politically conservative? It is simple.
It means "Leave Me Alone".
Leave me alone if I am not hurting or imposing on anyone else. Leave me alone with my labor, for it is not immoral if I do not want to share it with others so they don't have to work so hard. Leave me alone with incessant rules and regulations that make me jump through hoops to the point where I can no longer buy toilet that works or a 100-watt light bulb just to satisfy the irrational daydreams of eco-Nazis.
Just leave me alone. That is conservatism in its essence and why we want the federal government tamed. To leave us alone.
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 1:17PM
This is nonsense. Libertarian is the only true "leave me alone" political philosophy.
You want to foist your Christian beliefs on me through governmental action. Just leave me alone.
You want to use our military, and my tax dollars, to make weapons we do not want and force Muslim countries to adopt your beliefs. Just leave me alone.
You want to force me to disregard science. Just leave me alone, please.
You really do not want government to leave people alone -- you want to force your beliefs on the rest of us through government.
There are those of us who are truly "leave us alone" people. We do not want government largesse nor a huge defense department nor people who want to make religious laws to force our personal decisions.
How can we take you seriously????
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:45PM
Rattling off a whole bunch of lies and straw men does not impress us, troll.
George S| 2.21.13 @ 3:55PM
Thou shall not kill -- therefore no governmental action for enacting laws against murder. Don't be wanting no beliefs being foisted, just leave you alone without a gun and a pamphlet on how to puke and urinate. And, of course, offering not to foist upon a tiny baby the protection from a pair of forceps and suction needles.
Thou shall not steal -- therefore no governmental action for enacting laws against theft, fraud, counterfeiting, or patent theft. Again, foisting... again, bad.
I am not forcing you to buy weapons you "do not want". Those weapons are purchased by us; we do not vote directly but through our representatives. You have a vote, but so do people who are sane and would prefer not to have their day spoiled by a nuclear warhead or a 767 through their office window.
I do not care what Muslim countries think; however I expect us to be able to annihilate them with extreme prejudice if they disagree with my belief to be free from suicide bombers, hijackers and dirty bombs. How about you?
Refusing to pay extra for my electricity and gasoline in the form of carbon taxes is not forcing you to disregard science. If I have to explain that, you should be wearing a helmet.
Other than that, good post.
Tom Kyba| 2.21.13 @ 12:29PM
Jesus H christmas trees you self-absorbed egomaniac. You said your last post was it. Would you please just go and save the world already.
P.S. Which new user name will you employ when identical snotty "We Are The World" comments start to mysteriously re-appear?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 12:37PM
Somehow, I have a feeling that you'll be back (if not as Nathan, as someone with all of your characteristics, idiosyncrasies, and eccentricities, along with a different name).
Still, any time someone brings up Yoo or Bybee, Nathan will be here.
Whenever there is a discussion about how long Khalid Sheikh Muhammad can hold his breath, Nathan will be here.
...and when someone accuses another of being a hypocrit (sic), ...
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:18PM
Don't be so sure.
As I recall, he said that "this will be my last Comment" whereby, 2 Minutes later, he posted another Comment.
He'll be back.
He can't help himself.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:39PM
I heard that was KSM's first shower.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 7:41PM
This may be my last comment that KSM got his first shower.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:40PM
Good riddance to good rubbish.
Woodrow| 2.21.13 @ 2:16PM
You'll be back, Nathan. You think too much of your opinions to stay away...
Joellen| 2.21.13 @ 4:52PM
Was Nathan here today?
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:55AM
Nathan,
Narcissism is a mental disorder. Get help.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 8:58PM
Bye, Nathan. One day, and probably soon, you will be forced to choose between your "principles" and your family---wait, I forgot---you have no kids, so you have no clue about actual responsibility for the future generation.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 11:05AM
SE Cupp?
Is that some new bra size that slipped beneath my RADAR?
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 5:24PM
Stand for super enormous but it this case it is meant to hold up her sizable ego, not works of art.
Who Knows?| 2.21.13 @ 11:18AM
The Cupp runeth over.
JP| 2.21.13 @ 11:29AM
Putting politics aside for the moment, let's look at the world of conservative punditry today - especially female conservative punditry - from a business perspective. SE Cupp is nothing more than a brand. Her brand is one of hundreds (maybe even 1000s) of brands fighting for a very limited amount of bandwidth, and cable facetime. I first heard of her 2 years ago, and her bio put her squarely in the middle (she is an antheist, libertarian-conservative) of the NYC- Beltway media-borg. Besides her looks (she posed for Maxim a few years ago), her other asset is her ability to be a "conservative" that is somewhat palatible to the MSM; hence he spots on CNN and MSNBC. However, like Coulter, Cupp must fight Nature. And in the wonderful world of media land, one brand becomes tarnished over time. She is no scholar, has no political creds to speak of. Hence, her testing the waters of RINOdom. At least Coulter has a razor sharp wit. Cupp's real asset is on the physical side.
Beware of Conservative Female Punditry. It's a crowded field of bubbleheaded sqwakboxes. Very few are actually conservative.
Who Knows?| 2.21.13 @ 11:34AM
Man, am I glad I canceled cable.
It’s tough to even read about the idiots making the news, and especially the laws, these days, let alone see images of their lying faces. Why, to allow the sound of a Limbaugh’s voice is like fingernails on a blackboard.
Ah, but the universe still continues to provide great laughs, in the person of an S E Cupp, et al.
Obama’s latest election “theft” meant that the bottom is nowhere near, for the political market of America. He’s the anti-Reagan, and is definitely using the latter’s saying, “You ain’t seen nothing yet!” to the suicidal hilt.
Therefore, being of sound mind and body, I’ve rationally changed my political-economics news diet, and jumped back into more satisfying subjects.
Why, I even found the latest book by the “Godel Escher Bach” author, Douglas Hofstadter, “I am a Strange Loop”, from 2007. Anyone who hasn’t seen the drawings of Escher, and pondered them, is wholly bereft of basic knowledge.
And, then there’s the smaller percentage of them, who’ve actually gotten what they imply.
And, Godel?
Concern about moderate Republicans verses true conservatives is warranted, but higher and more basic dimensions are available for blissful attention.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 12:24PM
"Anyone who hasn’t seen the drawings of Escher, and pondered them, is wholly bereft of basic knowledge"
As one wholly bereft of basic knowledge, I must be sure that the next time that I am at the Hague fighting for the UN vision of human rights at the World Court, I'll be sure to check out his museum in town there to remedy my ignorance (that is, if one of my visits to the three Burger Kings in the Dutch city doesn't otherwise fill my time, along with my decaying meat-filled belly).
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:20PM
If you like Horse Meat?
You're gonna Love it, there.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 3:07PM
It's a well-know fact that those 2 fer 1 tacos Jack offers are made of horse meat.
And don't tell me you didn't scarf down your share @ 2 am during the '80's.
Who Knows?| 2.21.13 @ 4:15PM
Okay---so I exaggerated.
No matter what---everyone should have to see what Escher produced.
Blow your mind, without drugs.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 5:30PM
I was quite impressed with the few that I saw on my google search.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:04PM
Escher is quite superb. But Europe sucks.
Petronius| 2.21.13 @ 12:58PM
Conservatives have never been a political power and never will be. People used to be culturally Conservative out of necessity before there was any welfare. Now that all the Liberal parasites can have OUR cake and eat it too, Conservatives are branded as ambulatory antiques who shouldn't be allowed out in public. Conservative governance in any official sense is impossible as those who espouse it are unelectable as a faction. The uneducated sheeple who neither know nor care about beliefs or the meaning of anything except that which upsets them emotionally or disturbs their pleasure have been indoctrinated to the extent that all Conservatives are lepers, and simply conform to their friends and their group think. We live in a Mobocracy. Conservatives are mature adults who might be able to fill a minor league ballpark if we were all together on a good day. We face permanent loss of Our country and all it was because we are demographically Dead.
Fiscal| 2.21.13 @ 1:37PM
Actually, according to studies, Democrats have a higher college degree rate than Republicans and liberals have a 10 to 20 point higher IQ than the total population. Thus your post indicates that you are more probably one of those "uneducated sheeples".
Conservatism is not dead -- it is just segmented. Cultural/social conservatism is dying simply because you guys refuse to evolve. You always look back to find "better times". However, fiscal conservatism is a function of necessity not related to cultural trends. We are continuing to foist huge debt on our children and they will become, by necessity, fiscal conservatives just to survive.
Also, most of you really don't understand fiscal conservatism. You believe it means less taxes and less government IN THE THINGS YOU DON'T WANT. A true fiscal conservative would not allow the borrowing of 40% of our budget and would force the country to pay its bills through a combination of cuts in entitlements and defense AND increases in taxes. A fiscal conservative realizes than unless the taxpayer feels the pain of governmental spending, they will not vote for people who might cut it.
Those here are NOT fiscal conservatives and they show themselves to be uneducated.
Rob| 2.21.13 @ 1:43PM
"Actually, according to studies, Democrats have a higher college degree rate than Republicans and liberals have a 10 to 20 point higher IQ than the total population."
Those "Studies" have been utterly debunked. And the fact that you cite them proves you are a liberal. Get lost, troll.
TLP| 2.21.13 @ 2:26PM
Actually, they do have a Higher College Degree Rate.
Gay and Lesbian Study Degrees.
Gay Sex Degrees.
African Studies Degrees.
Transgender Studies Degrees.
Anal Sex Degrees.
Global Warming Degrees.
America Sucks Degrees.
Blame America First Degrees.
The list goes on and on.
Petronius| 2.21.13 @ 3:47PM
Don't claim to be Conservative now or ever. We are about Conserving Cultural Primacy of traditional Morality as Culture comes first. Predation, perversion, and parasitism harms everybody due to the social and material costs of those pathologies. Educated, civilized people Understand it because We are compelled to pay for the results of it all, in treasury, property, and Blood. Sin all you want Fiscal, so long as you can pay for the messes you make, but Don't send me the bills. I can't afford Liberalism. My standard of living is half what I deserve because of it. I said before that this country would never elect Conservative governance because they would have to behave like they are White. I can only anticipate the coming economic catastrophe when Conservative living will be imposed by Reality. Then, we'll see who survives.
It's snowing a ton here today. I assume it's S.E. Cupp is offended because it is white.
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:53AM
I've always found it amusing that liberals - the party of welfare brats, gangbangers, dumbed-down public education, and poor illiterate illegals - claims to be so smart. It is to laugh.
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:51AM
Petronius,
You make a very good point. I've often thought dealing with liberals is remarkably similar to dealing with adolescents (the spoiled ones). They think they know it all and are adults, but they are not. Liberalism is what happens when a bunch of adolescents are given the vote - they make the government their sugar daddy so they can always get the car keys each weekend without having to do their chores. Their reasoning is also always shallow and self-centered, with just enough spritzing of "the poor" in there as cover.
Kingofthenet| 2.21.13 @ 3:12PM
"The central idea of Fluke’s was that the rest of us, defined here as Georgetown, pay for her sex life."
But I pay for old men to get their Penis hard for sex?
George S| 2.21.13 @ 3:35PM
Too much info, buddy, too much info...
Louis Jenkins| 2.21.13 @ 4:38PM
Yeah, and we should stop it. Nothing worse than Fluke and old men getting together.
Bob Grant| 2.21.13 @ 4:49PM
King,
Are you sharing one your hobbies with us?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.21.13 @ 5:48PM
Remember when they would pay you to do it?
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:04PM
Georgetown had a religious problem in paying for her contraception, clearly stated before she was admitted.
Third Army| 2.21.13 @ 4:48PM
Cupp just wants to keep being invited to the right parties. That's why she says stupid things. As for Fluke, I could never figure out why her boyfriend wasn't paying for her contraception.
Drunken Sailor| 2.21.13 @ 5:28PM
Your doing better than me. The best I could do was he was to broke from buying beer goggles.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:03PM
Indeed. Why wasn't her FIANCE paying for her contraception? Or at least dinner.
N8tivTxn| 2.21.13 @ 7:05PM
A lack of historical awareness...
Yep, I've heard Rush opine, "Most everyone thinks history began the year they were born".
The kiddies in Cupp's Cadre seem to want to start at the top, without ever having dug the ditches.
What SE and friends are doing is attempting to reinvent the persona of the "Republican woman", away from the image of Libby, Babbs, Laura and Ann, to a fresh young version of Sex in the City Woman. Being known as a young Republican may be just too unhip.
Cupp is a grenade thrower. One of the first pieces of her's I read was a sadly childish article she wrote, baring her soul as to her lack of religiosity, despite being raised in a devout family. It shouted, look at me, look at me. IMO this campaign launched against Rush smacks of the same sort of desperation.
If Atwater were alive today, he wouldn't be having drinks with Cupp's Cadre, he would be their target, instead of Rush.
Frankly, I think this is nothing but SE's revenge. She splashed onto the scene several years ago, made the rounds as everyone's favorite young (R) spokesmouth, proved herself to be slightly less than able to argue effectively against her Dem counterparts... she has fizzled like a one-egg puddin'.
I doubt Cupp & Co want to rub elbows with the unwashed, Reagan Revolutionary types... they may rather just wait in the trendy bars for another twenty years waiting for Rove, Rush, et al to fade into the sunset.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:05PM
We need some firebrands. West 2016.
Occam's Tool| 2.21.13 @ 9:06PM
Hell: West/Carson 2016. Let's bet on Black.
Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 2.21.13 @ 9:38PM
If Ms. Cupp is one of the "new" conservatives of MY generation (I'll be 34 on March 13th), then I guess I ain't one. Personally, I don't have the same problem interpreting Reagan the way she does. Nor do I suffer from the RINO-ism that plagues the GOP establishment today. I'm SICK of the "go-along-to-get-along" BS that so many seem to adhere to.
I didn't elect my candidates to Congress or the Senate to "be bi-partisan." I elected them to STOP Chairman MaoBama's agenda. I'll freely admit. I listen to ALL of the radio shows. I USED to listen to G. Gordon Liddy with my Dad back in the Clinton days when I was in middle/high school. Now I listen to Quinn & Rose in the Morning, Beck, Rush, &, when I'm REALLY bored, Hannity. I'm a big boy. I can sort through the stuff on each show I think is BS. I DO try to avoid Hannity because he annoys me, as do his guests & callers. To me, the best shows to listen to are Quinn & Rose in the Morning, Rush & Beck, in that order.
Again, I'm a big enough boy to separate the wheat from the chaff when listening to such shows.
CJW| 2.21.13 @ 10:16PM
NB
Quinn drives around S Hills in a Corvette with plate "war room." He is good. Rose is hot.
Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 2.21.13 @ 11:40PM
Yeah, I used to see him driving sometimes when I was coming home from the office. I usually only catch the re-run of their 1st hour @ 9:00am when I'm getting up & ready to go to work.en tune in to Beck on my walk to, & trip down ON the T.
The thing about Beck having Cupp in his employ is thst Beck has ALWAYS said that he respects people he disagrees with. He also said, when launching his enterprise, that he would employ people he didn't agree with 100%. I've always dug the way Beck has always presented the historical backgrounds of certain events, people & ideologies. And in most cases, it eerily reminds me of stuff my Dad used to tell me about when I was old enough to start digging history.
As for Quinn & Rose, I'm SO glad thst I've gotten the chance to "discover" them as a result of my having lived here in "Da Burgh" for the last 10 years. I think Quinn is not only pretty damned smart, but also pretty damned funny! Rose is also awesome, & makes a good balance to Quinn. When she gets going, LOOK THE HELL OUT! She kinda reminds me of my wife in that respect.
And yes, she IS pretty hot!
Ghost of Cicero (NB) | 2.21.13 @ 11:44PM
Please excuse my typos. I'm doing this via my phone.
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 4:01PM
IMHO: Glenn Beck and Mark Levin are worth your time, now Rush's sarcasm is always excellent. Rush is a comic and a great entertainer.
homme nike air max BW | 2.22.13 @ 2:43AM
Democrat party elites around the country was that unless the GOP gave up conservatism and became a me-too moderate party with socially liberal candidates like then-New York Congressman and soon-to-be Mayor John Lindsay, the GOP was doomed.
GobBluthe| 2.22.13 @ 9:23AM
Limbaugh made Fluke. She was a 1/2 day story u tip limbaugh opened his fat mouth. He did the same in 2006 in MO. Attached Michael j Fox on stem cells and created a backlash. The stem cell provision passed and Jim Talent a good conservative lost. Limbaugh is a wrecking ball for conservatism.
FeFe| 2.22.13 @ 11:00AM
Is she not advertising as a teamplayer in generating a coordinated junket media message? Is she not exalting her position to the left of the throne of the new and improved JournOlist? A power couple offering a filter on the masses while greeting bus arrivals with secular lollipops. Has a familiar Ayers ring to it. How convenient for Rove to have a farm team. In fact, how very like Rove to use a stable.
nathan| 2.22.13 @ 1:42PM
I wish you all the best. But what you all should draw from the last few months is that we have serious problems. The numbers are ghastly. For those approaching 65, only about 30 percent have 30K in savings. 50 percent are at or below the poverty line and will try to live on $5 a day for food. 20 percent will get a memory disorder. 1/3 of the baby boomers probably didn't have kids. The divorce rate is 50 percent. Their health is worse than their parents and they may be the generation that take out less than they put in for SSA. Now take all those numbers plus Medicare is insolvent and SSA is getting there, no GOP pres or congress did anything about entitlements and you have the makings of a total disaster. In 10 years look at those numbes and come up with a solution. And even if you "conservatives" are willing to ignore Madison and "benevolence" his statement about charity in the legislative process, craft a soluti9h that deals with those numbers. Ryan's plan didn't because he pushed it down the road to far. He just did. All of you picture the country in 10 years.
Now take care of yourselves, it's been frustrating but fun. I do wish you all the best.
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:58AM
Nathan,
Obviously you are 12 years old or something to not know that the GOP has put forth numerous entitlement reform proposals over the last several decades. They usually get distorted and turned into Democrat attack commercials.
Jaynie59| 2.23.13 @ 8:48AM
Thank you Mr. Lord. If it weren't for Rush and Mark Levin, and you, I'd be lost. There hasn't been a day since the election I haven't cried for my country. Well, for myself, really. And Andrew Breitbart. I'm an ex-liberal like he was and I miss him so. Next week it will be a year since he died. It's infuriating to watch people like SE Cupp further their careers by attacking stalwarts like Rush. If it weren't for him, and Mark, and writers like you, I'd probably just curl up into a ball and sob all day.
I really miss Andrew and his passion for fighting back. May he rest in peace.
Rhoetus| 2.23.13 @ 2:24PM
Bush41 & Bush43 are not Conservatives, anyone here that can't understand this is either very ignorant or very delusional.
JohnInFlorida| 2.24.13 @ 8:26AM
"Are they really conservatives — or just the latest, newest incarnation of that age old 20th century invention: the GOP moderate? The newest sparkling edition of a wannabe Ruling Class? Making the rounds of the bar scene in Manhattan and New York and longing to be hip?"
Gee, I vote for B, C & D ... but, what does a "bitter clinger" like me know?
topcat52| 2.24.13 @ 12:05PM
I think Mr. Lord needs to sit down and take a few deep breaths. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. He is not a deep conservative thinker. You may agree with much of what he says, but that doesn't change the fact that he rarely, if ever, adds to the discussion. And, he often goes off the deep end. There is nothing wrong with saying that, it's intellectual honesty. Unless, of course, you've written a new 11th Commandment - never say anything bad about a fellow conservative. Perhaps if Mr. Limbaugh untied the half of his brain which he refuses to use, he would have more credibility. But what is worse is the idea that those with generally conservative views are to be disparaged if they set one toe off the "true" conservative line. Regardless of the fact that others have said this before, that is a sure way to electoral defeat. We (conservatives) need to attract the middle of the road voters. There are simply not enough "true" conservatives to win a general election. This is a fact, whether Mr. Lord likes it or not. Ronald Reagan did not win on conservatives alone. (It helped that the opposition was not acceptable to any but hard line liberals.) Get over it. The conservative movement needs dissenting voices or it will petrify.
Mnestheus| 2.25.13 @ 12:15AM
Mr. Lord should counsel Miss Cupp to use the Limbaugh Method of Birth Control :
Just hold an oxycontin tablet between your knees and think of England.
stmichrick| 2.25.13 @ 12:54AM
Rush, lowbrow?
Having fun with liberal ideas and icons takes insight and sophistication. Pretty highbrow, I'd say.
Exhibit A: The Harry Reid/fake soldier affair.
Rich D| 2.25.13 @ 2:14AM
Rush took back the "slut" comment in the same breath that he made it. It didn't help. Anyway, it was funny and right on - what DO we call girls who spend $3000 per year in contraceptives?
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:57AM
AND, build their whole life around contraception?
delahaya| 2.26.13 @ 9:46AM
It would be nice to have some genuinely intelligent, intellectuals among this "new, young" group of conservatives. Cupp is a lightweight.